If you have any broken Apple Disk IIs lying around, don't trash them.
They appear to be excellent hosts for an all-in-one Discferret/Kryoflux
setup with two drives. More to come later.
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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
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On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I might be able to help, though. I have a 'Polaroid Videopritner 4', for
> all Polaroid assured me they had never made such a beast... This is
> similar, but lower-reulotuon device, it displys TV-rate video on an
> internal CRT and photographs it.
>
> There's a colour fitler wheel (red, green, blue and a hole) so it cna
> print a colour inamge in 3 goes.
I have a similar device - two actually. The first one I got for free
or nearly free, with a Polaroid camera, and no control panel. The
second cost under $100 and had the control panel and a 35mm camera, so
between the two, I have one useful unit. The Polaroid film in
question was sold for medical uses, so was quite expensive even 20
years ago when one could buy it off the shelf ($50-$70 per cassette, I
was told).
Like your "Videoprinter 4", mine has a mono CRT and a color wheel.
AFAIK, it does *4* exposures - R, G, B, and "contrast" (no filter).
It takes in an EGA signal or NTSC video, and has onboard memory for
frame capture of live video. I've done some sample image grabbing
>from a movie on laserdisc, and for practical uses, I use to make title
slides with it, back when we used 35mm slide projectors for
presentations (I produced the slide content on an Amiga since that was
the easiest thing to use that I had on hand). Back when slide houses
charged several dollars each for presentation graphics, this was a
moderate-quality way of doing my own interstitials for slide shows for
the cost of one roll of ordinary 35mm slide film ($4-$5 for a roll of
Fuji E-6 ASA 100 film, $7-$8 for processing and mounting).
I haven't used it in years, but it was great 15+ years ago when I first got it.
-ethan
----- Original Message:
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:22:01 -0400
From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com>
On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, David Brownlee wrote:
>> Does anyone know of any adaptors to fit a "modern" drive (be it IDE,
>> SCSI, ATA, CompactFlash etc) into a machine with an ST-506/412 interface?
> That... would be quite the task. The ST-506 and cousins directly output
> the raw flux transitions as their data, so you'd need an emulator which
> spit out the data as repeated cylinders, I believe. Trying to interpret
> incoming data as low-level formatting would be another matter entirely.
> You'd probably be better off emulating the interface to the drives (e.g.
> emulate an MFM controller).
-------- Reply:
The main problem I see is that while the ST506/412 interface is standard,
there are quite a few different interfaces between an MFM controller and
the various systems (S100, DEC, PC etc.) and there are probably as many
different formats as there are controllers, so you'd have to emulate quite
a few different controllers.
But I've always wondered (and this may be a silly question): if a controller
in a 4.7MHz PC can handle the data flow, why would it be so difficult to
basically just connect another (pseudo-)HDC to the target HDC instead
of a drive, i.e. effectively connecting two HDCs together back to back?
Host MFM HDC
|| ||
Data/Control bus
|| ||
'Reverse' MFM pseudo-HDC & uC
|||||||
ATA bus or equiv.
|||||||
IDE/CF/etc. drive.
Assuming that the chips are available it doesn't look too difficult to
effectively clone a WD HDC and let it pretend to be a drive.
What's the obvious flaw that I'm missing?
I have one. Pretty good relative condition overall. When I plugged it in oh 3 years ago, it actually *typed*, albeit very veeeeeery sloooooooow.
50$. From 07731. About 40 lbs. packed. Pictures upon request.
I've got an Emulex QD21 (Qbus ESDI controller) with a Rev. D firmware on
it. The later revisions of this card (Rev. E and later) shipped with a
much nicer firmware that included autoconfiguration, and a menu-driven
formatter and diagnostics package.
Does anyone happen to have a ROM image for Rev. E or later? I'd love
to upgrade my board.
-Seth
On 24 June 2012 22:52, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote (in part):
> At 10:44 PM -0400 6/24/12, David Riley wrote (in part):
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>>>>> ?"Art of Electronics" by Horowitz is GREAT, but it costs money.
>>> ?On Sun, 24 Jun 2012, David Riley wrote (in part):
[...]
>>> ?Really?
>>> ?Seriously, ?What am I doing wrong?
>>> ?Amazon has one copy of the 1982 edition for $176
>>> ?and no copies right now of the 1998 or 2011 editions.
[...]
> You might want to try www.abebooks.com, or Alibris (no, I didn't check).
International versions of the second edition are available for under $30.
Hi Folks,
I have an original IBM model B computer controlled typewriter witha lot of spares and maintenance manuals available for sale ortrade. This stuff is impossible to find. As used on the IBM 1620,DEC PDP-1 and many other computers of the era. Useful if you'remaintaining one of those or want to build a replica/simulator.
Respond to me directly as I'm not a member of this list.
Thanks, Erik
Hello Dr. Duell!
ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote:
> How comples is this controller board that's removed? Is it possible to
> recreate it, and thus covnert a normal Nikon camera to work with the
> film reocerder?
The board doesn't look overly complicated to me (there is a raster image on the page I linked to), all it has on it besides a DIP-16 IC is a resistor, a tantalum cap and another axial component which is obscured by wires in the pictures, possibly a (zener?) diode. The print on the IC is alas covered by a large sticker reading "IC# 7" that IME often indicates it is a custom-programmed part anyway.
> Alas (for you), the only Nikon I own has no electtornics in it at all.
> The only electrical part is the flash contact.
>
> -tony
If it has provisions for both a motor winder and an external shutter release, I'd suspect you'd find a way to interface it nevertheless, were you to try...
One more interesting question would be what kind of lens is required for the recorder application. IIRC there are no refractive optical elements inside the recorder stand as it is now, the CRT faceplate is in plain sight behind a cover glass and the selected filter. I can't measure the distance right now as the recorder is in storage, but I'd roughly estimate somewhere around 20-30cm to the camera seating plane.
Arno
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Thanks, Glen,
Anyone know of a cheap gizmo that will program the Motorola MCM68766?
My programmer does not support it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Slick [glen.slick at gmail.com]
Received: Saturday, 23 Jun 2012, 8:46pm
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts [cctalk at classiccmp.org]
Subject: Re: Tektronix 4052 Firmware
Is the MCM68766 a compatible replacement EPROM?
Those are available for $8 each at www.unicornelectronics.com
Things have progressed nicely on Manx and I now have a reasonable UI
for adding new online documents to the system. I've also fixed some
bugs and added a few other minor features.
I'm inviting the cctalk community to beta test the changes and report
any issues using the tracker on the codeplex project page:
<http://manx.codeplex.com/WorkItem/Create>
You will need an account on codeplex to create issues. Creating an
account is free and you will not receive any spam.
The beta is hooked up to a separate database, so you can't break
anything in the current system.
Manx 2.0 beta:
<http://manx.classiccmp.org/test>
Login with these credentials:
email: demo at example.com
password: demonstratus
Try the URL Wizard to add new documents for existing sites, new sites,
or from mirrors known to manx of sites already known to manx.
Changes from Manx 1.0:
All users:
- RSS feed published of 200 most recently added documents
- Fixed problem with page title on details page
- Details page for a publication links company name to search of docs
for that company.
- About page updated
- Help page updated
- UTF-8 now handled properly throughout
Logged-in users:
- See table of known mirror data
- See table of known site data
- URL Wizard for adding documents
From a URL, try to figure out as much as possible, such as:
* part number
* document title
* document publication date
* company
* site owning document
* document format (PDF, etc.)
All fields can be edited if the wizard makes a poor guess from the
URL.
The wizard is able to guess most information if the URL is on bitsavers.
The wizard uses AJAX to obtain information from the database, so you
will need a JavaScript enabled web browser for the wizard to work
properly.
Some error checking has been done, but the wizard could probably use
additional checks and preventions against duplicate or badly formed
data.
There are no instructions on the Wizard page, but generally the idea
is that you start by pasting in the URL and tab from field to field
adjusting all the data as needed.
If any field contains invalid data, it's label will be changed to
red when you attempt to advance the wizard by clicking the button.
Please create issues in the tracker for anything you find!
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Of the nine variants of KED developed by DEC, it seems
doubtful that either K52 or K62 are in use at this point.
I have mentioned in the past that a new variant, K42, which
now supports a VT420 with 48 lines is available. Inspection
of the code for K42 suggests that improvements can be made
with respect to the allocation of memory. In particular, while
K42.SAV is LINKed to execute under an Unmapped RT-11
Monitor, for versions of RT-11 which include VBGEXE, virtual
memory can be used under a Mapped Monitor. These same
improvements to K42 can also be added to K52 and K62 so
that if these variants are executed under a Mapped Monitor,
more efficient use can be made of the available memory. One
of the improvements can be an increase in the size of the cut
and paste buffer.
If no one still uses a VT52 or a VT62 terminal, then there does
not seem to be any point to including these improvements in
K52 and K62. Please respond if there is any interest to actually
use K52 or K62 under a Mapped RT-11 Monitor.
Jerome Fine
Hello, all,
I have a Tektronix 4052 Graphic Computer that I believe is in workable condition, but the old Mostek MK36xxx-series mask-programmed ROM that holds the operating firmware for the machine have failed, which is apparently a common occurrence for these devices. I have found numerous mention of these ROMs having been used in test equipment that "forget" after 10 to 15 years after production. I found the archive of 4052 firmware on Bitsavers, but am wondering if anyone out there has any suggestions as to what to do to replace the failed ROM with something of more current technology that will work. The firmware consists of 64K bytes of code. The Mostek ROMs are 24 pin devices, 5V supply, that use a clocked chip select signal, meaning that any replacement will have to emulate the clocking access scheme. There were Motorola-made programmable devices that could directly replace the Mostek parts, but these seem to be virtually unobtainable today..and even if I could find 8 of them, I don't have anything that could program them. Any other 8K x 8 ROM is in a 28 pin package, which would require some clumsy adapters to work. Along with the ROM itself, the 4052 had a unique ROMpatch implementation that allowed up to 48 ROM locations to be ''patched' in real time, and this involved a PLA device that did the address matching, and a fast bipolar ROM that contained that data to be substituted at the location to be patched. Duplicating the patched code could also prove to be very difficult. I am wondering if anyone out there may have run into the same situation with a 4052 and came up with a solution. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rick
I have a complete VT14 (except for possibly the cover screws) 14/30,
14/35, and a lot of options available for serious inquires. It was
going to be a project down the road, but I need to shorten my list due
to health issues,
Does any else out there have one, or even know of one?
Please feel free to contact me off list.
Thanks, Paul
This 9000/350 was Stan Sieler's, IIRC, and passed through an intermediary who
couldn't maintain space for it, so I ended up with it and I put it in storage
until I could get space myself. Now that I have space, Homer is resurrected.
It is a 9000/350 (25MHz '020 + '881), 16MB RAM, 670MB main drive, HP-UX 8.0.
And I still have 10b2 on my 10MBit backbone, so it plugged right in.
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1572
Testing the CPU (Homer doll came with it)
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1573
Self-test
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1575
Bringing up HP-UX
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1574
Old school X11 as God intended
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1576
Obligatory rear shot
I figure Stan will enjoy seeing it's still out there and operational.
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Hi.
I'm looking for any information related to Z80 CPU internals,
microcode, sequencer, etc.
Is it possible to rebuild it in Verilog/VHDL/TTL on breadboard with
all that undocumented instructions, etc?
Here is what I found so far about machine cycles, but obviously, it's
not enough:
http://www.msxarchive.nl/pub/msx/mirrors/msx2.com/zaks/z80prg02.htm
I am doing my once a decade or so clean up and sorting. I have found working
distribution diskettes of the shareware software PC-Write and PC-File. I
had to break-out a 5.25 inch drive to read these. My 2005 vintage XP machine
only support on drive at a time so I have to open the case and hook up the
5.25 inch drive.
I have transferred these disks to my network drive and have tested them on a
Windows 98 laptop. I also have Norton Utilities and various copies of DOS
going back to version 1.1. (Complete with packaging.) If there are any
vintage PC users here I can email copies of the disk contents. Is there a
program that makes an "ISO" type file of a bootable floppy?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PC_Write_text_editor.png
Michael Holley
Andrew, Ive never seen its schematic, but the Apollo mobo I have is the most basic 030 Ive seen. Granted Ive really only gawked at Macs. Ill need to pull it out of storage. The only feature that stood out is a big ugly black chip that one might suspect was a mmu. It is a big mobo though. Maybe someone else can chime in.
----- Original Message:
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:53:01 -0700
From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
On 6/20/12 10:44 AM, Stan Sieler wrote:
>> thanks for the kind offer! If Bob declines, I'll let you know.
> CHM is interested, since apparently we have one.
------ Reply:
Excellent; I assume that if they go to you there would be a way for someone
who might need one to get a physical copy?
m
Original Message:
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:56 -0700
From: Stan Sieler <ss at allegro.com>
> hi,
> I found a box of paper tape software for an unknown computer (possibly a
> "L8" or "L8/9"?)
> ... and it's looking for a home (cost of mailing):
> If anyone can suggest what computer it's from, I'm curious!
> Stan
----- Reply:
Hi Stan,
Those are firmware and utility tapes for Burroughs series L8000 and L9000
computers, the predecessors of the B80 and B90 series and fairly rare since
they were dismissed as mere 'accounting machines' and not considered
collectible by purists and people without storage buildings:
http://www.picklesnet.com/burroughs/gallery/bpgltc.htm
Several museums have one and last I heard Bob Rosenbloom also had an L9000,
as well as an L5000; I imagine he would be delighted to have those tapes and
might even need one or two since I doubt that there are more than a handful
of those tapes left in the world and some of them are crucial to the
machine's operation.
If by any chance there are no other takers I'd gladly take care of them for
you and posterity.
m
Hi Klemens,
Re:
> We have working copies of these games: Keep on Drivin', Pong, Hacman
> and Space Invaders run on our hp 2648 with a 8080 processor, and we
> also have a version of Pong for hp 2644 with 8008 processor. Naturally
> we saved them on our ftp-server. I never tried to load them via the
> serial line, but would be interested to do that, because the cassettes
>
IIRC, we simply did the equivalent of "cat space.oct" or "cat pong.oct".
(It was from MPE, so it was probably: FCOPY FROM=space.oct;to=
)
I noticed in your README you mentioned overflowing the terminal at serial
speeds ... that's solved by using enq/ack pacing, a strap you can enable
on HP terminals (also called "flow control").
It's been awhile since I've used it, but I found a writeup here:
http://docs2.attachmate.com/verastream/vhi/7.1/en/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.at…
And, from Robelle's website at
http://www.robelle.com/smugbook/network.html we see:
ENQ/ACK is a proprietary method of flow control used on
Classic MPE V systems and is still built-in to most HP terminals
and enabled by default. The transmitter sends an ENQ (Enquiry, decimal 5,
Control-E) every 80 characters (or so). When the receiver is ready
for more data, it replies with an ACK (Acknowledge, decimal 6, Control-F).
If there is no reply in 10 seconds, MPE V resumes printing printing (Term Type 10).
If you disable ENQ/ACK on your terminal, you will see output interspersed with pauses.
MPE/iX and HP-UX normally use XON/XOFF Flow Control instead of ENQ/ACK.
So...you could have a little C program that loops:
while data left > 0
if >= 80 bytes then
write 80 bytes of data
write an ENQ (decimal 5)
read, waiting for an ACK (decimal 6)
(preferably with a timeout of a second or two, in case ENQ/ACK
isn't enabled on the terminal)
else
write remaining data
Stan
In 1993 or so I wrote some software to print images from my video frame
grabber to a HP LaserJet printer. I ordered the HP technical manuals for
PCL5; they were free with my LaserJet 4. The manuals weight 7 pounds and are
available for the cost of shipping. If no one wants them they are off to the
recycle bin.
HP LaserJet 4 and 4M Printers User's Manual
PostScript SIMM Technical Reference
PCL 5 Comparison Guide
Printer Job Language Technical Reference Manual
PCL 5 Printer Language Technical Reference Manual (3.5 pounds)
PCL 5 Printer Language Technical Quick Reference Guide
Michael Holley
Hello Folks,
the recent talk about film recorders here made me think it might be time to mention one of my "wish list" items here again, just in case somebody happened across it recently. I know this is going to be a long shot but here is:
I managed to secure an Agfa PCR II from University, but unfortunately it is missing the actual camera/optics/tubus assembly. The physical interface for it is a spare metal plate with two alignment holes and two thumbscrews on diagonally opposite corners, and a strange round 12-pin threaded connector for power and communication to the camera (shutter release, out-of-film signalling).
There are several options available (the most common being 35mm and Type 120), but either people don't know what they are (which makes them difficult to find) or they know it (which renders them unaffordable, cf. http://www.mops-computer.de/plson01_.htm )
The standard one seems to be the 35mm cartridge film module, a modified Nikon N6000 a.k.a. F-601M camera. If these do appear in the market, they are sometimes converted back to standard, which involves removing a small controller PCB and rejoining some wire ends, cf. http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?topic_id=23&msg_id=001BtO .
Please let me know if you have any leads on such an item. TIA,
Arno Kletzander.
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Hi folks,
I'd like to share with you my experiences, I made during March and April when most of the remaings of a big computer collection originally located in Aachen were thankfully mostly saved by the collectors in Germany.
In March, there had been a brief discussion about remainings of the Computer Computer Aachen, Germany. As far as I understood, a couple of years ago, most of the collection could be saved thanks to the CHM and a donation of SAP, who made shipping from Germany to California possible from a financial point of view. The collection is since then known as the "SAP collection" and stored at the CHM.Bits and pieces, the CHM left behind in a warehouse in Dortmund, "re-appeared" in March. A very motivated person, who got informed about the vintage systems, tried then to locate and contact the renter of this warehouse via the landlord (which had to be located and contacted as well). It turned out that the content stored in this warehouse had to be cleared within 2 month, as the warehouse was going to be sold. This was a pure coincindence and destiny here was on the side of all those, who'd like to save ancient comouting systems from being scrapped, as that person
actually tried to find collectors willing to save these remainings, as everything not saved would otherwise been scrapped.
An post in a Robotron systems online forum (Vintage computer manufacturer from eastern Germany) had been placed with images of the parts. First come, first serve was the philosophy in order to give away for free the bits and pieces to collectors, whoever wanted to save these.
I found the thread when I read about it here at classic-cmp, as another list member posted the information here and asked for information about and identification of the parts.
So during the last three months, I went to this place more than once in order to try to save as much of complete parts as possible, I could, with the focus to get them back to working condition one day.
During the first visit, other very nice collectors from eastern Germany were there as well. There was a very good atmosphere in trying to help each other to move heavy partsand cabinets around, to part with the bits in a fair way and to identify and estimate the conditions of these remainings.
These are the days I like when you can meet new people who share this passion about vintage computing and save systems together from being scrapped. And that's how I have been knowing the collectors community in Germany so far.
But for the first time, I also experienced different attitudes in this domain.
With time, the discussions in that robotron thread where marked by rough tones of a person who stated that the remaings left behind by the CHM in that warehouse where "rejects" and therefore not worth or at least not interesting being picked up because of probably being incomplete and he treated the person who discovered the whole thing and opened the thread as unfair, as he felt the systems were already rewarded to others under doubtful circumstances.
Another bad surprise, we had to face, was the behavior of a collector who was at the warehouse earlier than me and who took the opportunity to take with him two EAI 2000 analogue computers for somebody else, I originally was supposed to deliver to. The person in charge at the warehouse confound that guy with myself and asked him, if he was the one supposed to bring these machines to the person, who claimed interest in these. He said "yes" and took everything with him. Call it what you want, but that's seriously the first time, I face such nasty behaviour to put hands on vintage computers!
I'd say that the real condition of a big lot of machines can only be identified properly, when being on site. That's exactly what I did. I stated interest in some parts of which I knew for sure that I could store them savely, in case their condition was satisfactory enough to resurect them to working condition one day. I also tried to save things which should belong together.
Too bad, I was limited in space (the eternal problem). Otherwise I would have saved more. Anyway, the following could find a new home within "my walls".
two Honeywell Bull Datanet systems (on Level 66 basis), can be hopefully transformed to normal mini-computer with approriate software
Honeywell Bull reel tape drive with vacuum columns, complete (rebadged CDC tape unit, probably of type 669)
Honeywell Bull terminal and printer
Honeywell Bull disk drive (rebadged CDC BR3D4) with spare parts from another incomplete drive
Control Data 604 Tape Transport Unit, all logic boards missing
Control Data 854 Disk Drive, seems complete
Control Data 841 Multiple Disk Drive, saved complete electronics and one complete disk unit with its hydraulic actuator, had no space for the entire cabinet :(
Telefunken MDS-252 reel tape drive with vacuum columns, complete? (belonged to a TR-440 mainframe)
Telefunken TR-4 console, complete? (rebadged IBM typewriter)
Telefunken WSP-414 disk drive (rebadged CDS-drive) with concentrator-unit (complete) in order to connect up to eight drives to the TR-440 mainframe
Telefunken LSS-150 power supply of a Facit paper tape unit
DEC RP03, (ISS) with spare parts from another damaged and incomplete drive
Pertec reel tape drive, complete
NCR reel tape drive (rebadged CDC BW303 tape transport), one small PCB missing
Logic boards from a CDC 608 tape unit (according to the person who organised the give-away, nobody ever showed interest in taking the complete unit)
Unfortunately, I couldn't find documents online about all of these parts. So I'd kindly like to ask the list, if anybody has documents about the following ones, so that I could ask them in future, when I come to the point where I can start restoration of these:
- CDC 604 and BW303 tape drives, 854 disk drive and 841 multiple disk drive
- Honeywell Datanet (or Level 66 minis) documents and software
- Telefunken schematics
As you can see, I focused on peripherals, due to my particular interest in disk and reel tape drives. Maybe, a running Honeywell system can be obtained out of the stuff, I saved.
Let's see how much can be resurrected of these in the years to come. Biggest problem regarding the disc drives will certainly be the missing disk packs and the probable re-calibration of the disk and tape units. The disk packs, I got from there, were all coroded to such an extend that they are most probably useless.
The DEC RP03 drive came with two document binders containing schematics. Haven't seen them on bitsavers, yet, and will therefore scan them in near future.
Kind regards,
Pierre
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Hi
This is a shameless plug for something I and the Update Computer Club
have been working on this spring and opened yesterday.
The exhibition "Three Tons of Minicomputers" at Museum Gustavianum in
Uppsala, Sweden.
We have collected computers primarily used by the university at some
point in time. Highlights include a Linc-8 and a DECSYSTEM-2060 with
peripherals.
Here are some pictures from the opening:
http://www.update.uu.se/~jeppe/tmp/vernissage/
I strongly recommend anyone nearby Uppsala this summer to take a swing
by Gustavianum. If you want a guided tour, let me know and we'll figure
something out.
It's only open for a few months, so don't wait to long.
Regards,
Pontus.