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by sales＠elecplus.com

http://www.stromasys.ch/downloads/ registration required _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2634/5954 - Release Date: 12/12/12

13 years, 4 months

VAXELN software download

by sales＠elecplus.com

Does this help any? there are pre-formatted VAXeln disks at the Stromasys download page, e.g. MV3600, VAXserver3600, MV3900, VAXserver3900, MVII; network is enabled - eln-mv3600-net.zip _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2634/5954 - Release Date: 12/12/12

13 years, 4 months

FW: 40 years of PDP-11 hoarding has to end... (England)

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Previous Message: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:59 -0500 From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com> I feel the same way about PDP-11s and PDP-8s in the Hamilton area of Ontario.Not that I have an '8 at present, but I really do want one. 'Course there are my "competitors" of sorts in Toronto and down near St. Catharine's, ...There's also the distinct problem I can't ever drive any form of motor vehicle (yay vision problems!), so I can't exactly go pick machines up; and shipping is a bit of a bitch. Cheers, Christian ------ Reply: I'm in Toronto but not a competitor and I do get to Hamilton occasionally, so if you ever need something picked up in my area and delivered (not necessarily immediately ;-) let me know. mike

13 years, 4 months

eBay VAX-11/780 has a few minutes left...

by fraveydank＠gmail.com

Someone please tell me the VAX-11/780 mentioned a week ago is going to be bid on, because if it goes to the scrap heap, I think I might just cry (because I don't have the space or money for it). http://r.ebay.com/eaHRC6 - Dave

13 years, 4 months

Old Unibus VAXen (was Re: eBay VAX-11/780 has a few minutes, left...)

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Chuck Guzis<cclist at sydex.com> wrote: >> >On 12/11/2012 03:34 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >> > >>> >>The 11/750 was physically smaller, used 110VAC... limited initially >>> >>to 2MB (later 8MB, then finally 14MB)... >> > >> >We ran ours on 208V, I think we had 4MB; we used a Fuji Eagle drive and a >> >CDC cartridge drive for disks and a Cipher streamer for tape. It worked >> >pretty well. > I'm sure they must have made a 220VAC model, but I've only ever seen > the 110VAC type (sample size > 2) Just to provide another data point, my 11/750 is the 110VAC variety. alan

13 years, 4 months

simh VAX 11/780 tech support

by jon＠jonworld.com

Folks, I'm trying to get BSD 4.2 running on a VAX 11/780/simh setup. This is working well under OpenBSD. I have the 4.2 BSD VM up and running. I'm having difficulty with networking. I'm using the pre-compiled simh package from OpenBSD which has networking support and running it as root to make sure it has access to the network interface. simh seems to be attaching to the network interface; I'm getting status messages about how Eth is attached, etc. simh is 3.9. No network devices to show up under the OS, though. Given that 4.2 BSD has TCP, is made for VAX, etc, the default kernel should automagically detect the network "card" presented by the emulator, right? For some reason it isn't. I also tried the other xu type=deluna (I think that's it, I don't remember from memory.) Here is my boot.ini set cpu 128m set rq0 ra81 att rq0 rq.dsk set rq1 dis set rq2 dis set rq3 dis set xu enabled set xu type=deuna att xu0 em0 set rp dis set lpt dis set rl dis set tq dis set tu dis set tti 7b set tto 7b load -o boot42 0 d r10 9 d r11 0 run 2 Is it an ordering/address space thing? Do I have to throw the "xu" stuff further down in the file? Thanks! -- -Jon Jonathan Katz, Indianapolis, IN.

13 years, 4 months

Current verrsion of SimH for a PDP11 which runs under Windows 98SE in a DOS Box

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

I never thought that I would be asking for this again, but after 10 years (my current version of SimH is V2.9-11 from 2002) I think it is reasonable to check out some new code on the current version of SimH. While I still run SimH from a Dos Box under Windows 98SE, I also run under Windows XP. I use SimH so rarely that I never bothered to generate a variant to run a PDP-11 under Windows 98SE for myself. But I have some new code which needs to be tested under as many different emulators and hardware as possible. The new code runs correctly under the newest E11 and that old 2002 SimH. I want to be sure that the code also runs correctly under the newest SimH and DEC hardware. So, can anyone please help with a link to a PDP-11 variant of SimH that runs in a Dos Box or just e-mail me a copy? While I am running these tests, does anyone use any other emulators than E11 or SimH? Charon used to be available, but does not seem to be around any more. Jerome Fine

13 years, 4 months

What a service like Google would have looked like in the 1960?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

360s always had selecrtric mech based consoles as I remember. Ed# smecc.org In a message dated 12/13/2012 11:03:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org writes: Message-ID: <50CA14CB.2040306 at sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 12/13/2012 01:23 AM, Dave wrote: >> If you were working from the console, it wouldn't have been a >> TTY in any >> case, but probably the 1052 golf ball Selectric, which has a very >> different sound. > > I think in 1973 they started with remote TTYs and NUNET In 1966, I personally used a TTY connected to a 360/40; but that wasn't my point--I've never seen a TTY used as a console keyboard/printer on a S/360 machine. IBM would almost have certainly limited options to a 1050-series device for that application. Given the 16-bit P-counter, this would have had to have been a 360/30; the 360/20 addressing scheme allowed for no more than 15 bit addresses and I think the actual limitation was 16K. I don't know about the 360/25, however--I never saw one. --Chuck

13 years, 4 months

Google in the 1960's

by nick.allen＠comcast.net

Not sure if everyone has seen this or not, but trust me click this and get ready to be amazed! http://www.masswerk.at/google60/

13 years, 4 months

40 years of PDP-11 hoarding has to end... (England)

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:12:04 -0500 From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> I'd be willing to bet that Pittsburgh is not a small city relative to most in Manitoba. It's actually not even that small relative to Philadelphia or Baltimore, neither of which I'd consider small. That said, Manitoba is an AWFULLY big province. You could probably find someone with similar interests, though they might be a fair distance away. ----- Reply: As a matter of fact Pittsburg's population is twice that of the entire province of Manitoba! It may indeed be a big province (almost the size of Texas), but its total population of around 1,250,000 scattered throughout that big province is half of Metropolitan Pittsburg's 2,500,000...

13 years, 4 months

Fwd: Retrochallenge 2013 Winter Warmup - Registration Now Open

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Entry now Open for Retrochallenge 2013WW! Entry is now open for the 2013 Winter Warmup Competition to be run between January 1st and January 31st. Please email /wgoodf at googlemail dot com/with your name (or handle) a brief synopsis of your project and a URL for your blog. About Retrochallenge In a nutshell, the RetroChallenge is a loosely disorganised gathering of RetroComputing enthusiasts who collectively do stuff with old computers for a month. The event is very much open to interpretation? individuals set there own challenges, which can range from programming to multimedia work; hardware restoration to exploring legacy networking? or just plain dicking around. It really doesn?t matter what you do, just so long as you do it. While the RetroChallenge has its competitive side, it?s not really a contest? it?s more like global thermonuclear war ? everyone can play, but nobody really wins. Come on? give it a go! Competition Rules 1. RetroChallenge commences 1st January 2013 and runs until 31st January 2013. 2. In order to qualify, computer systems must by approximately 10 years old (or older!) however exceptions will always be made for exotica! 3. Gaming consoles and PDAs qualify if they were made in the previous century. 4. Where appropriate, replica hardware and emulators may be used. 5. Entrants are responsible for adequately documenting their projects and submitting occasional updates during the contest. 6. Projects may encompass any aspect of retro-computing that tickles the fancy of the individual entrant. 7. Winners will be carefully selected and thoughtfully chosen prizes presented (hopefully before the next challenge commences). 8. Have fun! http://www.retrochallenge.net

13 years, 4 months

Computing at Bell Labs Holmdel

by silent700＠gmail.com

Recently posted on the excellent AT&T Tech Channel YouTube feed, a 1970s-era employee orientation film for the Bell Labs Holmdel Computing Center in New Jersey. Lots to enjoy here for ccmp fans but especially those of IBM Mainframe and unit record equipment: PartI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMYiktO0D64& Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9aVOIuKVUc -- silent700.blogspot.com Retrocomputing and collecting in the Chicago area: http://chiclassiccomp.org

13 years, 4 months

Old Unibus VAXen (was Re: eBay VAX-11/780 has a few minutes left...)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote: > On 12/11/2012 03:34 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> The 11/750 was physically smaller, used 110VAC... limited initially >> to 2MB (later 8MB, then finally 14MB)... > > We ran ours on 208V, I think we had 4MB; we used a Fuji Eagle drive and a > CDC cartridge drive for disks and a Cipher streamer for tape. It worked > pretty well. I'm sure they must have made a 220VAC model, but I've only ever seen the 110VAC type (sample size > 2) > The 730, on the other hand, was something of a wimp. I was offered one when > Sorcim dumped theirs and I refused it. Microprocessor technology was > catching up too fast to consider giving it a home. It's realllly slow (about 25% slower than the 11/750) but physically small and only has 5 memory slots for 1MB boards. Using TU58 as the console boot medium made booting even slower, but if you copied all the files off of your tape (with EXCHANGE) and built a new tape (also with EXCHANGE), you could order the files properly and since the TU58 microprocessor appeared to cache the directory track(s), loading was then sequential and *substantially* faster. The 11/730 wasn't so bad if you used it like a single-user workstation. -ethan

13 years, 4 months

FFS? HP/3000 (?) Parts

by jon＠jonworld.com

Folks, In going through my archives/basement I found three HP 12747H 64K Memory boards. I have no idea if they work or not or if anyone is interested in them. I received them around 12 years ago when a former customer was decommissioning an HP/3000 and they were giving out the internals as mementos to the staff. Shipping would be from 46219. -- -Jon Jonathan Katz, Indianapolis, IN.

13 years, 4 months

Unobtainium obtained!

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

I just thought that I'd let folks know that I scored a bit (ok quite a bit) of unobtainium in the form of Unibus receivers and transceivers. It wasn't cheap but I just received 100 DS8640Ns (Unibus receivers) and 500 DS8641Ns (Unibus transceivers)! I would have gotten some Unibus drivers too if they were available. I think I'm now set (including the stock that I had previously) for the projects that I need them for (now I just need the time to actually work on those projects). Before anyone asks, these were obtained through a supplier on the secondary chip market. They only deal with commercial entities (one of the reasons I have one) and aren't interested in "small" quantities. It's hard to get them interested in an order under $1000 (and my total order for the above parts was well over that). TTFN - Guy

13 years, 4 months

FW: 40 years of PDP-11 hoarding has to end... (England)

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?34764-40-years-of-PD…

13 years, 4 months

Nuclear Data ND-812 info...

by jim.mainock＠billjacobs.com

Josh, I just seen your post on the BR2412 and thought I might be able to shed some light on the ND812 Computer. I worked for Nuclear Data when they designed and started production of this computer. Nuclear Data prurchased DEC PDP8 and PDP11 computers to to process data from their nuclear instrumentation products and decided to build a system simular to the PDP but with an enhanced instruction set and floating page. The software developers created a point of sale demo and tried to sell it to McDonalds Corp. They laughed and said no thanks. The sales people then show the system to Jewel Foods and they decided to partner with Nuclear Data. Nuclear Data was loosing money and redesigned the system with the new spec 16 technology how ever the spec 16 was delayed for a year and Nuclear Data was forced into selling the point of sale division of the company to Bunker Ramo that is where the BR2412 model designation came from. I personaly trained most of the new technicians we hired on troubleshooting the BR2412. My last job at Bunker Ramo was running the test engineering department and then I went back to work another year after the sale at Nuclear Data. Nuclear Data was one of the best companies I have worked for. If I can aswer any questions you might have on either Nuclear Data or Bunker Ramo feel free to contact me via email. Thanks, Jim Mainock Jim.mainock at gmail.com

13 years, 4 months

Don Maslin's archive...

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:28:44 -0800 (PST) >From: geneb < geneb at deltasoft.com > >Subject: Don Maslin's archive... > >The whole file is now available at: >http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin/maslin_archive.zip > >When time allows I'll break the disk and ROM image collections down by >vendor and get new pages created for them. > >Many thanks to Al for recovering this! > >g. I'd also like to offer my thanks to those involved. It's good to see a happy ending to this saga. Just an FYI, it looks like I will have to download the file at home, because when I try at work, the anti-virus software in our SonicWall firewall appliance blocks the download, saying it detects the "Dos.Cursor" trojan. Bob

13 years, 4 months

VAXStation 4000/90 bootproms

by emu＠e-bbes.com

Hi all, never noticed that before, but my version chokes on disk > 2GByte. (OS works, but "SHOW DEV" gets confused) So, what is the newest version of the PROMs? What I have here, is: KA49-A V1.1-06B-V4.2 Cheers

13 years, 4 months

Old Unibus VAXen (was Re: eBay VAX-11/780 has a few minutes left...)

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Ethan writes: > The 11/730 wasn't so bad if you used it like a single-user workstation. Indeed, if you look at its internals, it has a lot in common with the never-marketed PDP-10 Minnow (AMD2901 bitslice, RL02/R80 support board) which was thought of as a desk-side or desk-top PDP-10. Tim.

13 years, 4 months

Free Apple kbds

by sales＠elecplus.com

I have a few kbds that are missing keys, have cosmetic damage, etc. Free if you pay shipping from 78028. M0487, qty 7 A9M0330, qty 2 M3501, qty 6 M2980, qty 7 M0487, qty 1 M0116, qty 1 Please note they weigh abt 4 pounds each, properly packed, and due to the dimensions, will be over 12" long. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2634/5952 - Release Date: 12/11/12

13 years, 4 months

Old Unibus VAXen (was Re: eBay VAX-11/780 has a few, minutes left...)

by elson＠pico-systems.com

It's been more than 25 years, so my recollection may be hazy, but I think we had 208V 3-phase. I don't recall if it was delta or wye configured, but I tend to think it was the former. CPU from one phase, disk and tape drives from the other and our two big CDC line printers from the third. But as I said, it's been over 25 years since the electricians installed the stuff. We just went by what they recommended. Chuck Yes, our 780 was 208V 3Phase, and I'm PRETTY sure it was 5-wire, so it had a neutral and a ground pin. I think some of the outlets are still in the wall at work, so I'll check the twist-lock to see. I think the power supplies could run off 240 V as well, but possibly the whole machine was slightly different for that option. I know our big data center with IBM 370s was all 208 V also. The multiple H7800 (I think) power supplies each ran off a single phase bridged between two hots, but they were distributed around the phases. The LSI-11 and maybe a few other things ran off 120 V, and I think there was a scope/etc. 120 V outlet there, too. The big cooling blowers were each across two different phases. Some of the larger disk drives had 3-phase motors, and the high-end tape drives (TU-76, TU-77) had 3-phase power supplies and vacuum blower motors. I think the Vax 11/750 was single-phase 220 V, and the 730 was 120 V. Jon

13 years, 4 months

long ISA 3com cards

by sales＠elecplus.com

I had no idea these are still in demand; I will have to get all mine tested and posted on the website. A few are there, but not too many. My prices are a lot less than those on ebay! http://www.elecshopper.com/nic/isa.html All are hand tested to ensure they will connect to the internet and carry a 30-day warranty. There is also one EISA 3com card http://www.elecshopper.com/nic/eisa.html Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2634/5952 - Release Date: 12/11/12

13 years, 4 months

Piecing together an HP9880

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

I am not sure if this is on-topic since the machine involved was sold as a calculaotr. On the other hand, it programs in BASIC, it's getting on for 40 yuears old, and I am thinking of adding a hard disk. Classic computer? The HP9880 is the hard disk (14" platters) for the HP9830 'calculator'. I am slowly gathering the various bits of this system, I would love to get it all working again. As I understnad it, you need : An HP9830 calculator, HP9866 printer Mass Memory ROM module HP11273B 'cable' from the HP9830 to the controller HP11305 disk controller HP11302 cable from the controlelr to the drive HP7900A disk drive (one fixed, oen removeable plater) + PSU (or HP7901, which has only the removeable platter, but has an internal PSU) System tape cassette for the HP9830 Disk packs (of course). Now, The 9830 and 9866 I have, working. The HP11305 controller and both 'cables' (I put that in quotes becase thes cable assembleis have PSBs stuffed with ICs at at elast one end -- the 11273 has over 50 ICs in it) I also have, untested, but I know th PSU is good and the microcde ROMs look OPK (the disassebmyl of the mcirocode makes sense). Since everything else is standard TTL, analogue or RAMs ICs, I think that's reparaiable if necessary. I have the scheamtics and micorocde source for all that. The HP9800e emulator includes a dumo of the Mass Memory ROM, and thus I have it in an EPROM module. That emualtor also has an image of the ssytem and service tapes for the 9880, but as yet I haven'tt figured out the format of the image file or how to get them back onto physicl cassettes. I do have another tape drive mechansim (not HP) which sould be able to produce compatible tapes 'Just' a little matter of figuring out how ot interface it to soemthign and use it. At least I ahve the handbook for said drive, it includes timeing diagrams and schematics. Which leaves the drive and packs. This is the problem, I susepct I do havev a 7900A. Alas it was in a skip (dumpster) and had a 2100A thrown on top of it. The 2100A survived. THe 7900A is more sdubious. The front was samaged when it was gtaken out of the rack too. It's missing the terminator and the little card edge conenctor PCB, but those are easy to make I think. It's going ot need work. I also don't have the PSU for it. This seems ot be 120C AC (not isolated from the mains) for the blower and spindle motros), unregualted +/-24V and regulated +5V, +/-12V. Nothing difficult, but I can see myself speding time and moeny making something and then find the heads will no logner fly. I susepct replacement heads are not exactly common, I wonder if RK05 heads can me made ot fit? According to the HP nanual for the drive, there was a text/service unti for this drive, it conencted ot the side of the backplane. I cna't rememebr the model numebr (HP13219?). Hase anyone ever seen one, or have the manuals for it? And now for the pack. It's the same physicla size as the RK05 pack, but 24 (hard) sectors. Of coruse there's the fixed platter in the 7900A drive with it's own 24 sector hard dsetoy rign nad transducer. I belived the drive will spin up with any pack in it, so I could put a 'scratch' 12 sector RK05 in there to (a) see if the heads will fly and (b) see if I can use the fixed paltter (which will be 24 sector) drom the HP9830. If I get that far, I guess I then take an RK05 pack apart and attempt to put anotehr 12 notches i nthe sector ring. I beleive I then have to re-centre the platter on the hub which will be 'interesting' What if the heads crash? Maybe try to fit RK05 heads (I have some brand new spares here). Maybe try to interface an RK03 or RK05 to the HP contorller. The interface is differnet, but at least the data rate is the same. It woudl take a bit of logic to get it to work, but... If all else fails, make a solid-state repalcement for the drive? I gueess the questions at the momnet are : Anyone know the precise details of the tape image file format for 9800e? Anyone ever manage to fit RK05 heads into an HP7900? Anyone ever managed to cut the ectra sector notches? Anything knwon about the disk service unit for the HP7900? Does anyone have any comments/thoughts. Am I totally crazy for trying to do this? -tony

13 years, 4 months

Seeking information on some Qbus disk/tape controllers: Dilog DQ37, Emulex QT131 and UC07

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Hi, All, I was going through a box of "interesting" cards last night and I came across three cards that I'm looking forward to using: o Dialog DQ37 - an S-box-handle Qbus SCSI controller o Emulex QT131 - a Qbus Pertec tape controller? o Emulex UC07 - a Qbus SCSI controller I found the UC07 manual on Bitsavers, so I'm good there for setup and configuration, but I was curious if anyone knows about different firmware revisions I should be aware of or seek to put on the card (I've owned plenty of Emulex communications controllers, and done plenty of firmware swaps on those, and since they put firmware (ROM chip) upgrade instructions in the manual, it makes me practically expect to have to do something to it). I could not find more than a couple of comments about the QT131, but I'm reasonably certain whatever jumper settings are on there are a) the defaults, and b) just fine. If anyone here has any experience with the QT131 or even better, a manual, that would be appreciated. As for the Dilog DQ37, I can find nothing except 3rd-party resellers offering to sell me one if I click the "give me a quote" button. The ones I have (2) appear to have the single-ended SCSI portion of the board populated and have a large bare patch that, from the component values on the silkscreen, seems to me to be for High Voltage Differential. No biggie. I don't have any HVD drives anyway. I don't own any S-box hardware, so "just plug it in an see what it looks like" is not the preferred method - I'd like to know more before I go further. I'm especially wondering if this is a TMSCP-only controller or if it will do MSCP and/or TMSCP, and if there are any firmware variations I should know about. So... anyone here know about these cards or where to find docs (besides the UC07 docs on Bitsavers)? Thanks, -ethan

13 years, 4 months

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