Hi Chuck,
I just reviewed the datasheets. The pinout appears *mostly* compatible -
appart from the fact that the 4116 pin 8 wants +12V, and the 4517 only
+5V. The other power supply pins have changed to N.C., so it could be
done with a small board change or a small wire by each IC.
I was just considering that because I have a machine with 64 x 4116 (and
maybe some more in two or three other boards, don't want to look
now...), and I would be interested in reducing power dissipation.
It may go to 170 mW per chip, ... but while MOSTEK say their 4116 needs
up to 1 W max, I just see the TMS4116-20 more probably has 462 mW. So it
would save me... 19 W at best. Or less, because the unused power rails
cannot simple be turned off - or more, because the PSU is a rather
large, old, linear type.
Now well - I don't have time; the originals are soldered in, so don't
want to ruin the boards anyway. Nor change their original state more
than needed for actual repairs. I've already replaced one defective IC
of these, so I could at least test compatibility...
Has anybody ever replaced memory ICs to save power?
Btw., I *might* have to stick with 1 bit RAM in this machine because it
might mask individual bits in hardware, IIRC.
Kind regards, Joerg
On 16.01.2013 06:07, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:43:39 -0800
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Forgot to post here...16Kx1 DRAM NOS at Goldmine
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>
> I posted this on Erik Klein's forum awhile back, but also meant to post
> this here.
>
> Electronics Goldmine has new 2-per-package MCM4517P12 16Kx1 DRAMs for $1
> for two ICs. These are the single-supply version of the 4116 3-rail
> devices and I believe, entirely pin-compatible.
>
> Might be a good deal for someone looking for replacement DRAM.
>
> http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G19239
>
> Cheers,
> Chuck
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I recently acquired (3) NOS H62EPC1 keyboards for Hitachi's 6800
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If you have an need for one or more, let me know off-list.
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"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
I have one very large old hard drive here, made by DEC. The front face
plate is missing.
The drive inside says R82-HDA. PN 70-21170-01
The complete unit is an RA82, I believe.
Looks like the one in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfskSzKBnWA
Except for the face plate, it appears complete.
This unit is on rails, and came out of an old server years ago.
It will have to ship on a pallet.
Make offers?
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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On 16 January 2013 16:34, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote
>
> You need to stop travelling down this road you are on, and get real legal
> representation. You do not want to be threatening a Corporation such as
> eBay without a good team of Lawyers behind you. Honestly my fear is that
> your actions already done irreparable harm to any chance you might have of
> getting your property back. Please seek out Legal Representation before you
> also do irreparable harm to your life as well.
>
I have to concur. From a UK perspective: Without going into details,
we are currently in legal battles getting money back off someone, and
whilst, so far, we've done everything ourselves (successfully, if
slowly) the defendant has been representing himself too. The judges
have for the most part been sympathetic and have taken our lack of
experience into account. The moment however that he does find himself
a solicitor willing to take on his case (he had one drop out already
once we explained matters to them), then we'll have to do the same.
I've dealt with the professionals in the past, and they are mostly
akin to playground bullies, and delight at stomping on the amateurs.
Don't let yourself get into that situation.
Rob
Catalog number 26-3501, batteries work, powers on, basic arithmetic
functions work. I have not tested it further.
There is some darkening of the display, mostly on the top left side.
Includes Radio Shack vinyl case and fold-up TRS-80 Pocket Computer
Reference Card.
$100 plus shipping takes it away.
Well packed, the weight will be about 2 pounds.
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Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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eBay seller id "tvrsales" is currently selling property STOLEN from the
Vintage Computer Festival.
If you are planning on buying anything of a vintage computer nature from
eBay seller "tvrsales" in Stockton, California, please know that you are
most likely BIDDING ON STOLEN PROPERTY.
The VCF Archives were STOLEN by Tri-Valley Recycling (eBay ID "tvrsales")
in cahoots with the landlords of the building where it was sold.
The sordid tale can be read about through lawsuit material already on my
website for download:
http://vintagetech.com/download/lawsuit/
I encourage everyone to read through the letters and especially the
affidavit to see the absolute criminality of these vultures. I am
continuing to upload more material as I have time, but the basic story is
there.
The court system was absolutely useless, as were the police and sheriff.
I am having to sue for conversion, fraud, racketeering, unjust enrichment,
and probably other charges as I continue my research.
I am here to tell you right now: Anyone on the receiving end of my stolen
property is going to be entangled in this mess one way or another.
Therefore, my suggestion to you is that YOU SHOULD NOT BID ON OR BUY
ANYTHING FROM TRI-VALLEY RECYCLING IN STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA. If you do end
up with my stuff, you will become a part of the lawsuit in some way. So
if you don't want to have legal issues to deal with, stay away from
anything they are selling. I think I have made myself redundantly clear
here.
The full story will come out in time. Right now I'm re-grouping for my
next legal attack. Yes, I could use assistance, especially if you have a
law background and can do research for me. Sure, I could use money, so
send some if you got it. I don't need attorneys. Attorneys are useless
in the capacity that I am acting. I'm doing this the proper way: myself.
My entire career as a computer historian has been destroyed by these
hyenas. Now I have to sit here and watch as they auction off 25 years of
my life's work piece by piece. Don't be caught in the frenzy when the
lion shows up.
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Greetings,
I am a teco enthusiast too. Saw you made some patched to Cantrel's video
teco. Do you have a latest version with any patches?
Thanks.
Blake McBride
https://picasaweb.google.com/106111250846948401252/Honeywell
Pics of the Honeywell terminals, for those that asked.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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All the websites on the classiccmp server that have their own domain name have been migrated. Please test & advise. You can start modifying content again.
I'm now working on all the subdirectory websites of classiccmp.org, will let you know when they are done so you can again start modifying any content.
Mailman will be done last.
J
>I encourage everyone to read through the letters and especially the
>affidavit to see the absolute criminality of these vultures. I am
>continuing to upload more material as I have time, but the basic story is
>there.
>
>The court system was absolutely useless, as were the police and sheriff.
>I am having to sue for conversion, fraud, racketeering, unjust enrichment,
>and probably other charges as I continue my research.
>
>I am here to tell you right now: Anyone on the receiving end of my stolen
>property is going to be entangled in this mess one way or another.
>Therefore, my suggestion to you is that YOU SHOULD NOT BID ON OR BUY
>ANYTHING FROM TRI-VALLEY RECYCLING IN STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA. If you do end
>up with my stuff, you will become a part of the lawsuit in some way.
My interpretation is: tough noogies.
You spent half a year not paying bills or trying in any possible way to
relocate your belongings. It was excuse after excuse after excuse followed
by backlash. If you considered these computers so valueable you should of
been putting a LOT more effort into cramming it into a storage locker or a
spare bedroom.
Up here in Canada (I guess that's the key phrase because who knows just how
much different the laws are but at least up here it's nationally accepted
that....)if you don't pay the rent and you're that far due you can forget
about whatever you left there. The landlord can switch the locks and now
claim it as his own and the courts will laugh you out the door.
Just because you decided to play lazy does not mean that we can't bid in
fear of a pretty weak court case. If anything I advocate for more people to
bid on it because we at least know it came from a reputable person.
>spare bedroom??!?
>Can I move into your house?
>Maybe put my HOUSE into one of your spare bedrooms?
>Just the stuff that he hauled out from my closing office
>would fill three normal "spare bedroom"s.
Okay, I didn't realize that when he meant a warehouse he literally meant a
warehouse crammed wall to wall and just about as high as you could go with
with essentially everything. I was rather blown away by the photographs when
I finally saw them on Flickr (
http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/2533385026/sizes/o/in/photostream/ ).
It's like an episode of hoarders only things are a bit more organized.
I'll agree that at that point a spare bedroom will be the leasy likely place
to store stuff.
>In the US this is a matter of state law, which of course varies from
>state to state. In California, the landlord can NOT take simply
>possession of the tenant's belongings. The eviction process involves
>having the Sheriff seize the tenant's belongings. If the property is
>believed to be worth more than $700, it has to be sold at a public sale
>(auction) at a time and place published in a general circulation
>newspaper. I rather doubt that eBay qualifies. See California Civil
>Code section 1980-1991, especially section 1988.
>
>If the landlord takes possession of the belongings or disposes of them
>in a different manner than prescribed by law, it is theft, conversion,
>and/or unjust enrichment.
>
>[These are my personal opinions, which are worth exactly what you've
>paid for them. I am not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice.]//
OH! Okay, so there is some reason to complain then. Pardon my previously
posted opinion.
I posted this on Erik Klein's forum awhile back, but also meant to post
this here.
Electronics Goldmine has new 2-per-package MCM4517P12 16Kx1 DRAMs for $1
for two ICs. These are the single-supply version of the 4116 3-rail
devices and I believe, entirely pin-compatible.
Might be a good deal for someone looking for replacement DRAM.
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G19239
Cheers,
Chuck
> My interpretation is: tough noogies.
Your opinion is noted, ignorant as it is, based on assumptions, incomplete
facts, and a callous disregard for and improper understanding of property
rights (that apply equally in Canada as well as here in America, ancient
law that goes back to the Magna Charta).
I understand there are people like you, who will look at a situation like
this and say stuff like, "tough noogies"(?) I realize you would probably
say the same thing to your grandmother--damn the facts. You're the same
type of people who believe it's OK to scam someone out of their property
by intentionally withholding court notices they are required to send, then
collude to deprive the rightful owner of any possible remedy because you
know you have an insider in the court who will make everything work in
your favor.
I'm not concerned with people like you, inasmuch as I can avoid doing any
business with you so that when things don't work out I can be guaranteed
my rights will be observed and a business relationship can be wound down
honorably and with integrity.
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Zane Healy wrote:
> Something that worries me is what went into the dumpster that they
> apparently had on site.
All of my shelving, desks, benches--the infrastructure of the archive--
and other items that the undiscerning scrapper would consider "junk".
Thank you for your concern.
> One also has to wonder how badly Sellam had pissed off the landlords
> prior to this point. Reading through the email and documents last night
> I was reminded of a conversation I'd had earlier in the night with my
> seven year old. As regrettable as it is, the choices he made had
> consequences.
You're now comparing me to your 7 year old? You're unbelievable. How do
I put this as politely as possible: you are making a lot of fart noises
right now.
As far as TVR, they claimed at the hearing it cost them $61,000 to move
200 pallets 3 miles across town. Almost all of the pallets were stacked
and ready to go. They needed to stack maybe 5 more pallets of stuff, and
discarded the rest (the "junk"). When they claimed this I knew they were
lying and thus colluding with the landlords in their crime and therefore
complicit. Four days before the hearing I had a 40 minute conversation
with the operations manager of TVR and they knew full well the story AND
the fact that there was already an open lawsuit against the landlords. I
offered them the money they claim they paid the landlords for the stuff
and to not add them to the lawsuit but they rejected it. Right there they
opted to collude with the landlords. They are guilty. Now I will prove
it.
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Eric Smith wrote:
> In the US this is a matter of state law, which of course varies from
> state to state. In California, the landlord can NOT take simply
> possession of the tenant's belongings. The eviction process involves
> having the Sheriff seize the tenant's belongings. If the property is
> believed to be worth more than $700, it has to be sold at a public sale
> (auction) at a time and place published in a general circulation
> newspaper. I rather doubt that eBay qualifies. See California Civil
> Code section 1980-1991, especially section 1988.
Actually, the threshold amount is $300, and before it can be sold at
auction the landlord must have already:
1) Noticed the tennant of the restoration of the real property
2) Noticed the tennant of any personal property left on the property
3) >>>Allowed the tennant 15 days to recover the property<<<a
4) Noticed the tennant of the sale of any personal items remaining after
the initial 15 days *and give them 15 days additional to recover the
property upon payment of all storage fees incurred by the landlord* before
it is actually sold off
The landlords did exactly none of this. Even after I plainly and
explicitly and thoroughly educated them on the law through the letters I
wrote (which I posted for all to read) including footnotes to the actual
statutes. Even after they sent me (an illegible) notice of the sale, they
still refused to allow me to get my stuff, even after I offered to pay the
storage costs as required under the code. They wanted me to pay
additional amounts to which they were not entitled.
Note for #3: by the time I received notice that I was locked out it was 4
days before the mandatory 15 days I am to be given by default under
statute. The landlords never sent notice to my address of record but
instead sent it to the building, where I never received any mail, which
never had mail service and didn't even have a proper address until one was
added for the purposes of the eviction. Thus, I never received notice and
the landlords failed in their duty to notify me. This is all in my
affidavit.
> If the landlord takes possession of the belongings or disposes of them
> in a different manner than prescribed by law, it is theft, conversion,
> and/or unjust enrichment.
Eric is obviously someone who has taken the time to study the law. Thank
you, Eric.
And as Eric mentioned, these laws vary by state/jurisdiction, so you may
have a different set of laws involved where you live, in which case I can
say I'm sorry for you. At least in California we have these protections
on the books, not that they are strictly adhered to in some places where
the rule of law is obviously not as paramount as personal connections.
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Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always simple.
What some folks are missing is a sense of the timeline. This dragged out
over 5 months, in which time I tried every possible way under the Sun to
get access to the warehouse after I'd been inappropriately locked out
(landlords failed to give proper, timely notice) including OFFERING TO PAY
THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF BACK RENT, the money of which was laid out on the
counter of their secretary, counted in her hands, but was rejected after
she called her bosses and was inexplicably instructed not to take the
money. Read Uniform Commercial Code section 3-306(b) and then tell me I
didn't pay them. This is all in my affidavit.
I only went to court after I exhausted my private administrative remedies
and the landlords began to threaten to sell my stuff, fully in violation
of my rights and California statutes of which I thoroughly educated them.
The landlords brought an insider to the court with them (as they did to
every court appearance) who obviously helped throw the matter in their
favor. Yes, yes, of course I'm going to say that, but if you only knew.
Learning about the corruption in San Joaquin County courts is not
difficult--google will tell you all (that is publicly available). What do
you do when you're an outsider and you're up against an entire "good old
boy" network? Never mind, don't think about it, it might hurt your
fragile brains. All I can say is that when your options are to capitulate
to someone's unlawful demands or else say bye bye to your life's work,
what choice are you going to make?
I was able to move out about 15-20% of the collection before being locked
out again. Read the affidavit as to why I could not finish on time.
Yes, it was my fault for not getting it all out in
time--woulda/shoudla/coulda. Yes, I could have asked for help sooner.
Yes, maybe I should have ignored the unchecked flooding in the warehouse
that was destroying part of my documents collection and just continued to
pack the loose items. Etc. However, I don't see how that negates my
property rights, and anyone who has an accurate understanding of the law
doesn't either. I know more about California commercial rental and
property law than most attorneys now, so to those who want to pontificate
lawyerly, please keep your uninformed opinions to yourself. I am,
however, open to input from people who actually study law and can match
or surpass my knowledge.
My affidavit was never rebutted. An unrebutted affidavit stands as truth
in the record. This is an ancient legal maxim. These guys have
implicitly admitted their guilt. However, they have the shield of
attorneys and insiders who know the judges well enough to sway the outcome
in their favor. Yes, I understand: that only happens on TV, not in real
life. Of course.
While all this was going on, I was also fighting against my purported
"mortgage lender" who was unlawfully foreclosing on my house, and was
actively assisting others in a similar situation. I was supposed to be
out of MY house last Tuesday, but a last minute bankruptcy filing has kept
shelter over my and my families head--for now.
I can comfortably say I didn't get much sleep last year. At least walk a
few feet in my shoes if you can before you feel the urge to lecture me.
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The Apple Lisa has been purchased.
Cindy Croxton
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On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 8:19 PM PST Chris Tofu wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 6:33 PM PST Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>>On 12/16/2012 05:39 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>>
>> What would be the difference, internally, between it and other horizontal models?
>>
>>Of what vintage? A modern HP12C has very little in common with a
>>vintage HP16C.
>>
>>--Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>I didn know that. I bought it at Wallyworld say 10 years ago.
Ill spill the beans. I had aspirations of turning it into something scientific. Rom swap or what have you. Naive I guess. Anyone want to make an offer? Barely used.
https://picasaweb.google.com/106111250846948401252/AppleLisa
but it might be sold now
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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Hi,
I've had a lot of interest in the collection, but my time is running
short so I need to sell this whole collection, I've lowered the price
for everything - systems, expansion units, modules, boxed items, mice,
joysticks, keyboards, software, developer binder and domain and more all
for $4,000. First person who replies directly to me -
curt(at)atarimuseum(dot)com gets it all, so email me and let me know,
thanks...
Curt
The OLD Honeywells and the HP 700/96 terminals have been sold.
Qty 2 of the HDS7 terminals, not just 1 are left.
If anybody knows the PN for the HDS7 keyboard, I might have matching ones
here.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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Zane Healy,
So you're saying you read my entire complaint, affidavit, all exhibits,
and have applied your Solomon-like wisdom to the matter and have
determined that my credibility is lost, I have committed slander, and I am
a fool.
Wow.
Hey, maybe you should offer to represent Tri-Valley Recycling. They could
really use your legal expertise. You seem to have it all figured out.
Even if I never get my property returned, turning my back on this hobby
and moving on will be easy thanks to people like you.
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Sellam Ismail VintageTech
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