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by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:28:30 -0500 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> On 01/29/2013 11:13 PM, mc68010 wrote: > On 1/29/2013 7:36 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: >> On 01/29/2013 07:37 PM, mc68010 wrote: >>> A 1552 just showed up on the seller selling all Sellam's gear it just so >>> happens. >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare-Vintage-Hazeltine-1552-Computer-4DTD… >>> >> "This listing has been removed, or this item is not available." >> >> I can only hope that this means "good news" for Sellam. >> > Something probably got cut off. Probably on me. Anyway it is still there. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/230920559966 > > Item 230920559966 Crap. :-( -Dave ----- Reply: Guess it'd be better if it didn't sell and got scrapped, as long as those heinous thieves didn't make any money? Exactly what is gained by folks on this and a few other lists not bidding on these items as Sellam demanded, other than keeping prices low for everyone else (a good thing, for them) and increasing the likelihood that they don't sell and get scrapped instead (a bad thing IMO) ? He lost my sympathy when he threatened to sue anyone in this community (that has been so supportive over the years) if they bought any of his items. Ironically, in the extremely unlikely event that he got back the money made >from selling his stuff then the folks in this community would actually probably be the _most_ likely to be willing to sell it back to him... m

13 years, 2 months

New Houses [Was: Re: What is big iron?]

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Very impressive Pontus! A raised floor garage.. Something we all can envy. Henk, did you send pics that I missed somewhere or was that your comment that they'll come when you can lift a camera again?

13 years, 2 months

Looking for Appendix to HP 3.5" disc drive service manual (disc commands)

by john_a_s2004＠hotmail.com

Hi, In the discussion on HP LIF disks and bad sectors, I was pointed towards the 9895A service manual and its?description?of initializing floppies, marking 'bad tracks', and bad sectors. I have the 82901M 5.25" and 9121 3.5" drives, so have had a look in their service manuals for similar descriptions, in case there were any differences or further nuggets of information. The 82901 manual said very little on the topic, but the manual for the 9121 (covering several 3.5" drives) shows in the contents that Appendix A describes the command set. I had a look at the scanned version: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/disc/09121-90030_3_Inch_Flexible_… and copied here: http://hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?hwdoc=288 but Appendix A is missing, does anyone have a link or a scanned copy please? Regards, John

13 years, 2 months

The VCFSE 1.0

by david＠classiccomputing.com

Everyone, We have finalized the show dates for the Vintage Computer Festival Southeast 1.0 and now it will be over two days - Saturday & Sunday, April 20 & 21, 2013. I will have a press release soon and we have some very nice things planned. I hope some of you can attend the show! Best, David Greelish - Computer Historian, Writer, Podcaster & Speaker - Founder of the Atlanta Historical Computing Society Producer of the Vintage Computer Festival Southeast 1.0 - 4/20 & 4/21, 2013 http://about.me/davidgreelish

13 years, 2 months

Wiki? What? Why?

by RichA＠vulcan.com

From: John Wilson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:12 PM > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:26:08AM -0500, Toby Thain wrote: >>> (Assuming you don't count the :INFO system at MIT, which came much >>> earlier.) >> Is it a wiki? > Editable by anyone ... cross-machine links (over the network file > system -- I think it was called MLDEV?) ... what else would it need? Wankers who remove edits by people who know what they're talking about? Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Vulcan, Inc. 505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900 Seattle, WA 98104 mailto:RichA at vulcan.com mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

13 years, 2 months

CRT monitor for SUN 3/140

by shutchman＠gmail.com

I have been through 3 CRT monitors that died ( circa 1989) that were attached to a SUN 3/140 station. The monitors are SUN Model M19P114 part no 365-1051-01. The pin out on the 3/140 is 1-VIDEO+ 2-GND 3-HSYNC 4-VSYNC 5-NC 6-VIDEO- 7 GND 8-GND 9-GND VIDEO+ and VIDEO- are ECL levels , and HSYNC and VSYNC are TTL levels. I believe it is EGA monochrome. I am not sure if this SUN has non standard ( proprietary) output for video. Is there anyone that knows a way to connect this SUN to a standard LCD VGA monitor using some kind of video converter or by using a multi-sync monitor ? Hutch

13 years, 2 months

What is big iron?

by seefriek＠gmail.com

On 01/29/2013 02:23 AM, Pontus wrote: > Hmm, I though a VAX of 11/780 size qualified as big iron. If not, what > does? It's a trap! Trick question intended to see who can be the most insufferable ass furiously defending an opinion unsupportable by objective fact. The competition is, as always, tediously predictable. The game is re-staged here at least twice a year, so that the pendant pecking order can be reaffirmed.

13 years, 2 months

Benchmark Modula-2 for Amiga, Avante-Garde Software

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hi folks, Does anyone have a copy of Benchmark Modula-2 for the Amiga, released around 1986, they could let me have a copy of. I bought the software to help me with a second year University Programming and Algorithms course and wrote my final year project a 'Meta Assembler' in it and would love to get that working again. I still have the manual (I have no idea when the disks were lost but I suspect they succumed to mold) and am seriously considering scanning it for the community, but this seems a bit of a waste of time unless the software is not unobtainium. Many thanks for the help, Mark.

13 years, 2 months

What is big iron?

by RichA＠vulcan.com

From: microcode at zoho.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:22 AM > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:08:11AM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove > wrote: >> In the former case the TOAD-1 is most definitely "big iron" as it is >> a descendant of the KL-10, which is most assuredly a mainframe. > DEC never made a mainframe and nobody from DEC ever asserted they did > AFAIK. It's odd to see posts claiming DEC made mainframes or that VAX > is big iron from a group where calling a DE9 a DB9 produces a > 500-thread post ;-) You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The PDP-6/PDP-10 family of 36-bit systems was clearly mainframe big iron, with a physical memory space larger and performance better than a 360/50. Further, in 1989, the VAX 9000 was introduced to the world as "Digital's First Mainframe" (at which the PDP-10 customers laughed derisively). > Stop the hysterical revisionism. DEC made minis. Minis are not big > iron. Agreed. DEC made minis, which are not big iron. The revisionism on your part is in claiming that DEC did not make mainframes. Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Vulcan, Inc. 505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900 Seattle, WA 98104 mailto:RichA at vulcan.com mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

13 years, 2 months

Outbound Notebook battery

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- Snagged an Outbound Notebook (Series 200) this week. The Outbound is aMacintosh clone laptop, mine came with ROMs borrowed from a Mac Plus, 4mb of RAM and a 50Mhz 68030 CPU. From what I've read it uses "standard camcorder batteries" but I have absolutely noidea what this "standard" might be. Anyone know anything about these beasts? I'm also going to need to track down an AC adapter but that should be easier to source, it's 22VDC @ .82A according to the rear of the machine... Thanks, Josh

13 years, 2 months

Hazeltine 1510 or similar

by Mark＠Misty.com

Hi, I've been regretting not keeping my original Hazeltine terminal many year ago. Does anyone have one, broken or working, they might be looking to sell or trade? Mark -- Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com)

13 years, 2 months

What is big iron?

by RichA＠vulcan.com

From: microcode at zoho.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:18 AM > Even the lowly 43XX (which was more powerful than the biggest VAX ever > made) was watercooled. Excuse me? I worked with 4341 and 4361 systems at UChicago, and a pair of 4381s at Stanford. There wasn't a water pipe to be seen. I think that you have no idea what you're talking about. Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Vulcan, Inc. 505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900 Seattle, WA 98104 mailto:RichA at vulcan.com mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

13 years, 2 months

old terminal pics

by sales＠elecplus.com

https://picasaweb.google.com/106111250846948401252/OldTerminals If interested, email me and I will tell you if screen burned, if they power on, etc. Old kbd pics coming soon. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6064 - Release Date: 01/28/13

13 years, 2 months

HP LIF floppy disks and bad sectors

by john_a_s2004＠hotmail.com

On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Fred wrote:> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, John S wrote:>> To conclude, information such as the IDAM content won't be readable by a >> PC with a normal FDC, so this approach looks limited. I am in touch with >> Ansgar reading his wonderful hpdir project, which I am using with my >> Series 80 disks on an 82901M drive, so will point him here for a bit >> more light reading ;-) > <Oversimplified> > PC WILL sense the IDAM. > In "normal" read/write, the PC works the same. It steps to the track, > finds a sector header, checks it, and if it is the one requested, > reads/writes. Many thanks Fred for correcting me and for the mini-tutorial. > The NEC chips even have a [little used] command to read sector header! OK, I'm sure there would be some mileage in tools that could use this feature. I guess not all PC FDC chips would have this capability though. (FWIW I am a fan of the Adaptec 1542 cards with their built in FDC, two types depending on model but both OK with FM disks). Coming back to LIF disks with bad tracks, as I wrote above I am a fan of HPdir, and am using a PC with an HPIB controller and 82901M floppy drive, so avoiding any use of the PC's FDC. I've got a further query on the 82901M and 9121 drive which I'll raise in a new thread. Regards,John

13 years, 2 months

by jcw1231＠pacbell.net

this reminded me of you http://bit.ly/XFaSyp JC

13 years, 2 months

pdp11/34 rack mounting

by roe＠liveblockauctions.com

I've got a pdp11/34 in a BA-11L mounting box, and I'm trying to find out what rack hardware I need to rackmount the beast. If anyone has info (part numbers, etc), or can point me at a resource (or even a supplier), I would much appreciate it. Thanks. -- <http://www.liveblockauctions.com> Roe Peterson / Director of Research & Development O. 306.523.4005 / C. 306.501.6802 *Help Desk: 1.877.694.6100 / 306.694.6100* <http://www.liveblockauctions.com/index.php?p=FAQs>

13 years, 2 months

9 track, 1600 BPI, Tapes from 1992 / 1993 ??

by gerardcjat＠free.fr

A friend of mine has a serie of such tapes Six 9 track, 1600 Bpi, tapes, ( large ones : 2400 feet ) Labeled 1992 / 1993 SPOT2 Any guess what is / was "SPOT2" ???

13 years, 2 months

So what is this thing?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

eBay item# 230917408086. This is one of Sellam's lost items and it's interestingin that it appears to be an S-100 machine made by HP. The cabinet definitely looks like HP, the boards not so much, although a couple seem to have gold-plated traces that look HP-ish. I've never heard of this machine before, and I can find no information about it on the 'net. I'venever heard of HP making an S-100 machine, it seems out of character for them :). Anyone have any insights here? - Josh

13 years, 2 months

Vector art on SAGE

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:13 PM 1/27/2013, Paul Anderson wrote: >21st norad only had the hula girl while I was there. great article. >brings back a lot of memories. I asked the author Benj Edwards <editor at vintagecomputing.com> if anyone had a copy of the data - so far, no one said they had it. I thought it would be fun to recreate it from the original deck. - John

13 years, 2 months

Seeking old Televideo Gear

by slandon110＠gmail.com

Hey guys, Im seeking old televideo gear, Terminals, Systems stuff like t hat. Really digging this old televideo term I got Steve

13 years, 2 months

cctech Digest, Vol 113, Issue 43

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

> From: Terry Stewart <terry at webweavers.co.nz> > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:02:48 +1300 > Subject: My BBC Model B on Youtube > The best of British in my collection. The capable and classy BBC Model > B Microcomputer System. > http://youtu.be/r9oAAcRk2Ys The Rhode Island Computer Museum has a BBC Model B Issue 4 in the British Collection. http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/foreign-market-personal-computers/bbc-… -- Michael Thompson

13 years, 2 months

HP LIF floppy disks and bad sectors

by john_a_s2004＠hotmail.com

Hi, I have been reading about LIF format floppies, in particular as used on the HP Series 80 and 200. I found this description: ftp://ftp.hpmuseum.org/lif/lifutil/lif_over.txt an overview on MoHPC: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/articles.cgi?read=24 and the HPDir utility: http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdir/index.html Can anyone explain please how bad sectors are marked as 'spare' under LIF? The LIF overview states: "LIFUTIL cannot recognize "spared tracks" on a LIF disk. To explain ... when you format a LIF disk, not all the tracks may be good; so the formatting process marks them as "bad" or "spared" and they are not used. LIFUTIL is incapable of distinguishing a spared track from any other; so it will suck in the spared track along with any other tracks in the file or directory, leading to corrupted files or catalog reads." What I can't find is a description of the bytes encoded on the disk to mark a track as spare. One possibility is this is dealt with by the HP disk controller firmware, and so hidden to the operating system, which sees a LIF directory as per the above descriptions, without seeing the spare tracks. I am trying to find some floppies with spare tracks and then analyse them on a PC, hopefully someone has been there already and can shed some light on the mechanism used. Regards, John

13 years, 2 months

Top Posting, was Re: What was that old Amiga programming language...?

by marvin＠west.net

It is normally better to top post when only one idea is going to put forth. Of course, with all us old guys with short memories ... And of course, it is easier to complain/comment about top posting than the constant posts unrelated to the subject line :). > On 23 January 2013 00:14, Dan Gahlinger<dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >Yes, lots of games and stuff were done in ARexx, sound and images, etc. >> > >> >and btw quoting vrx/sexton as a source automatically disqualifies you > > We normally don't top-quote on this list. > > I don't even know who or what vrx/sexton is; I merely gave the top hit > or 2 from Google. > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile:http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile

13 years, 2 months

Retroarchive.org update...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

More goodies for the Don Maslin archive - I'm up to and including the "cpmprog" directory so far. Also, some SLR tools were added. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

13 years, 2 months

more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)

by gerardcjat＠free.fr

> > It's a real pity you won't ship to Canada. I'd take the 11/04, rx02s, > > and the tu-58. I've already got an 11/34a, this would make a great > > addition to my collection. > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com> wrote: > >> More cleaning and lowered price on some stuff that didn't sell last time >> around. >> >> As always, remind me that you are a list member and I'll add some >> freebies. >> >> Thanks to all on the list whose purchased from me. >> >> -tom >> >> tcp1022 >> >> AT&T 6300 Personal Computer 251219453567 >> DEC Pro 350 251219291641 >> DEC VAX4000/300 251219438856 >> DEC alpha PWS 500au 251219352958 >> DEC VAX 4000/VLC 251219392926 >> HP 9885 floppy drives 251219443307 >> AT&T 6300 251219453567 >> DEC TU-58 251219297427 >> SMS RXO1/RX02 floppy dr 251219332374 >> PDP 11/04 251219325467 >> ADM3A 251219433952 > HOW comes that theses items CANNOT EVEN be seen from abroad ?? >From France, to be specific. Is that normal / usual ??

13 years, 2 months

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