Coming from the worthless little piece of offscouring who uttered the phrase "jew on a stick".
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 6:36 PM PST Liam Proven wrote:
>On 8 February 2013 21:01, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>
>> But don't overlook the responsibility of Lucy Zinjanthropus !
>
>He doesn't believe in her. The world was made in 6 days by a magic
>sky-pixie. He thinks all those nasty fossil things were laid down in
>the great flood and humans haven't evolved, they were made by the same
>invisible big-old-fairy-with-a-white-beard, just as they are today.
>
>You're wasting your time with this chap; he is both stupid and very
>ignorant, a terrible combination. I mean, come on, he's too dim to
>learn how to quote in an email!
>
>Just killfile him - it's the easiest option.
>
>--
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>
stop you it's been decades
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 6:25 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote:
>> >Oh wow man, please, whatever you're smoking, you gotta share it with
>> >everyone else - you're hitting it too hard.
>
>On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
>> if you wish to express your objection to anything I've said Ray please
>> do so offlist.
>
>In other words, "meet me privately to share it"
Always the same response. Nothing ever changes. It must not be real or worth their precious time because it clashes with their so *NOT* well thought out world view. What can I say. I was asked, I delivered, and their bleat(ing) goes on.
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On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:02 PM PST Josh Dersch wrote:
>On 2/7/2013 10:17 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>> This warrants a top post not that I needed an excuse:
>>
>> GOOGLE - USDA, OBAMA, COMMERCIALS
>>
>> Or, though it scares me to think, you mean justify my calling his/their actions TREASONOUS, tell me who's welfare, for want of a much better term, they have in mind when conspiring with a foreign gov't to lure yet more unskilled, illiterate masses for the purpose of expanding the welfare state, insuring perpetual generations of low information voters. Not mine, and likely not yours. Who is the president supposed to be working for??? Foreign nationals!!!???
>>
>
>Well, a statement with that many exclamation points and question marks
>must be well thought out and worth my time.
>
>And the first hit for your Google search is a link to an article on the
>Daily Caller, I considered reading it but then I pondered whether
>watching paint dry might be more informative. (I came to the conclusion
>that it would be.)
>
>- Josh
>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15 PM PST Josh Dersch wrote:
>>
>> On 2/7/2013 8:54 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>>> An add to the mix an administration who is running ads in Mehico explaining how people can get food stamps and whatnot once they get here. Can you say, anyone, high crimes and misdemeanors? Too difficult? How's about TREASON!!!
>> [Citation needed.]
>>
>>
>
Re: Vintage er--------------------
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 3:00 PM PST Ray Arachelian wrote:
>On 02/07/2013 11:54 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>>
>> Putting the cart before the horse. Obviously banks were more or less FORCED into delving out loans to those who couldn't pay them back.
>
>Oh wow man, please, whatever you're smoking, you gotta share it with
>everyone else - you're hitting it too hard.
if you wish to express your objection to anything I've said Ray please do so offlist. At this point this portion of a legitimate thread has run its course.
As for a legitimate contribution to the op, I did enjoy reading Rebel Code a few years ago (maybe more then a few).
Putting the cart before the horse. Obviously banks were more or less FORCED into delving out loans to those who couldn't pay them back. But if the do good granny state LIBERALS would have stayed out of the business of deciding who should own their own home (that would be everyone), things wouldn't be anywhere near as messy as they are. An add to the mix an administration who is running ads in Mehico explaining how people can get food stamps and whatnot once they get here. Can you say, anyone, high crimes and misdemeanors? Too difficult? How's about TREASON!!!
Yes the banks and the suits and the boogeyman are culpable. But I'll repeat if they were left alone and allowed to do what they're supposed to do and not dole out risky loans, we wouldn't be here. If you haven't done research into the root causes of this crisis, you just don't want to know.
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On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 3:54 PM PST Chuck Guzis wrote:
>On 02/07/2013 02:16 PM, Jim Stephens wrote:
>> I don't think the drift of the conversation to condemning banking people
>> will play well with some fine list members. I certainly think where the
>> execution of bad management and risky practices at some banks is
>> certainly fair game, I don't think the condemnation of "bankers" is the
>> same as the bean counters which were the original topic.
>
>So you maintain that the banks had absolutely nothing to do with the current recession or LIBOR manipulation games? In particular, the large investment banks aren't responsible for any of it?
>
>Oh, okay. Suum cuique.
>
>--Chuck
>
>
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 12:07 AM PST Josh Dersch wrote:
>On 2/7/2013 11:22 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>> Always the same response. Nothing ever changes. It must not be real or worth their precious time because it clashes with their so *NOT* well thought out world view. What can I say. I was asked, I delivered, and their bleat(ing) goes on.
>
>Have you considered that the problem might in fact be you? (BTW, your
>description of Mexicans as "unskilled" and "illiterate" masses says a
>number of things about your character, none of them good).
I haven't any food stamps to give anyone, much less illegal, unskilled, illiterate Mexicans.
How is it that you're so comfortable with your country's unwillingness to control it's borders??? And do you see doctors, lawyers, and engineers scurrying across the border? Countries like Australia run campaigns to attract SKILLED workers. Why should we be any different?
>
>- Josh
>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:02 PM PST Josh Dersch wrote:
>>
>> On 2/7/2013 10:17 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>>> This warrants a top post not that I needed an excuse:
>>>
>>> GOOGLE - USDA, OBAMA, COMMERCIALS
>>>
>>> Or, though it scares me to think, you mean justify my calling his/their actions TREASONOUS, tell me who's welfare, for want of a much better term, they have in mind when conspiring with a foreign gov't to lure yet more unskilled, illiterate masses for the purpose of expanding the welfare state, insuring perpetual generations of low information voters. Not mine, and likely not yours. Who is the president supposed to be working for??? Foreign nationals!!!???
>>>
>> Well, a statement with that many exclamation points and question marks
>> must be well thought out and worth my time.
>>
>> And the first hit for your Google search is a link to an article on the
>> Daily Caller, I considered reading it but then I pondered whether
>> watching paint dry might be more informative. (I came to the conclusion
>> that it would be.)
>>
>> - Josh
>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15 PM PST Josh Dersch wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2/7/2013 8:54 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>>> An add to the mix an administration who is running ads in Mehico explaining how people can get food stamps and whatnot once they get here. Can you say, anyone, high crimes and misdemeanors? Too difficult? How's about TREASON!!!
>>> [Citation needed.]
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> > I blame NIXON
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
> I shouldn't really do this but it's too good to pass...
> It's really Taft's fault.
We have had exactly one president who didn't blame the problems on a
previous president.
But, I can't think of anything that I don't blame on Nixon.
Sometimes, I need to stretch a little for 404 or General Failure/Abort
Retry Ignore, etc.
"But when a robotic Nixon is on the loose, we have a duty to take action."
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
So the banks just one day decided to throw all caution to the wind. And you never even stop to ask why. Absolutely nothing to do with the fear of litigation. I already said the banks played their part. But the govt and the lawyers provided fertile ground for all the shenanigans. Go on youtube and take a look at what Barney Fag and Maxine Waters had to say when investigations of Fannie and Freddie were taking place. Yes this started long before Obama was president - the problem is liberal democrats, of which he is one if you haven't noticed, but my understanding is even he worked at firm which engaged in harassing banks into generating risky loans.
Oh no. The whole crisis had nothing to do with the gov't wanting to get low income people into houses. It was just the evil banks devising this crap on their own. And granted.the loans were packaged and repackaged in some kind of effort to balance their books, which just caused everything to come crashing down. But just tell me - yes tell me what the Community Reinvestment Act has to do with responsible government.
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 4:54 AM PST Steven Hirsch wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Feb 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
>
>
>> Putting the cart before the horse. Obviously banks were more or less FORCED into delving out loans to those who couldn't pay them back. But if the do good granny state LIBERALS would have stayed out of the business of deciding who should own their own home (that would be everyone), things wouldn't be anywhere near as messy as they are.
>
>Sorry, I normally stay out of political flame-wars, but cannot let this go by without a rebuttal. Simply put: Check your facts with an authority other than Fox News before repeating this tired, right-wing rhetoric.
>
>There is a small kernel of truth in that Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac were under pressure to get more loans into under-served areas. However, the vast majority of shenanigans took place in the private sector which needed no impetus other than greed to throw underwriting guidelines overboard. The total default exposure from Fannie and Freddie as a result of congressional push was a tiny fraction of what such great American icons as Nationwide Finance ran up with no other push than desire for executive bonus.
>
>> to the mix an administration who is running ads in Mehico explaining how people can get food stamps and whatnot once they get here. Can you say, anyone, high crimes and misdemeanors? Too difficult? How's about TREASON!!! Yes the banks and the suits and the boogeyman are culpable. But I'll repeat if they were left alone and allowed to do what they're supposed to do and not dole out risky loans, we wouldn't be here.
>
>Left completely to their own devices, Wall Street would have tanked the world economy out of nothing more than sheer, unadulterated greed. If your much-hated Gub'mint hadn't backed up their malfeasance with billions of dollars of taxpayer money, the ensuing crash would have given the Great Depression competition for extremes of misery. And, guess what? The same forces that brought you the great recession are fighting tooth and nail to gut any semblance of regulation so they CAN DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN!
>
>> If you haven't done research into the root causes of this crisis, you just don't want to know.
>
>My friend, I have done my research. If you used sources other than Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the Murdock media empire you'd not be so quick to buy into and spout this nonsense.
>
>
>
>
>--
>From: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org" 8-FEB-2013 10:08:45.32
>To: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org"
>CC:
>Subj: cctalk Digest, Vol 114, Issue 10
>From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
>Subject: Telesign TS-16
>Message-ID: <F41F2F4206D8494A8DF29E20F9D917ED at tababook>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
> Try Dan Gliebe at www.tigercam.com or www.gliebetronics.com, he's such a
>nice chap and if I'm not mistaken, he reverse engineered one of these panels
>years ago. I lent him some help at that moment. Since it was some 10 or 15
>years ago, my mind is fuzzy on this subject.
Hi,
Both websites listed don't exist. tigercam is squatted upon and gliebetronics
is a GoDaddy parked page. :( I appreciate the quick response though!
Fred
and Jean kindly keep your foreign farm lingo on your side of the border I don't know what herp derp is supposed to mean but it scares me frankly. I hope it isn"t something you're suffering from. Yuck
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 6:43 AM PST geneb wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Josh Dersch wrote:
>
>> On 2/7/2013 11:22 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>> Always the same response. Nothing ever changes. It must not be real or worth their precious time because it clashes with their so *NOT* well thought out world view. What can I say. I was asked, I delivered, and their bleat(ing) goes on.
>>
>> In the 4th paragraph of said Daily Caller article, we have the following:
>>
>> "The [food stamp participation] partnership --- which was signed <http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdamediafb?contentid=2004/07/0301.xml&…> by former USDA Secretary Ann M. Veneman and Mexican Secretary of Foreign Affairs Luis Ernesto Derbez Bautista in *2004*..."
>>
>> Pretty sure Obama The Treasonous wasn't president in 2004. How's your "well thought out world view" working for you today?
>>
>Jeeze Josh, if you keep showing up with facts in the face of his wild-eyed supposition, I suspect he'll throw a tantrum. Hrm.. *grabs popcorn* Fact away! *laughs*
>
>g.
>
>-- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
>Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
>
>ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
>A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
>http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
you're just jealous of me Jean and you know it
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 6:40 AM PST geneb wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Feb 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
>
>>
>> Always the same response. Nothing ever changes. It must not be real or worth their precious time because it clashes with their so *NOT* well thought out world view. What can I say. I was asked, I delivered, and their bleat(ing) goes on.
>
>You realize of course that if every word you ever wrote here was replaced with "Herp, derp!", the content would be the same?
>
>g.
>
>-- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
>Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
>
>ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
>A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
>http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
I definitely do feel his herp derp pain.
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 7:29 AM PST Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
>> Always the same response. Nothing ever changes. It must not be real or worth their precious time because it clashes with their so *NOT* well thought out world view. What can I say. I was asked, I delivered, and their bleat(ing) goes on.
>> You realize of course that if every word you ever wrote here was replaced with "Herp, derp!", the content would be the same?
>
> I feel some feelings between you two... :oD
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On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:33 PM PST mc68010 wrote:
>On 2/7/2013 10:17 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>> This warrants a top post not that I needed an excuse:
>>
>> GOOGLE - USDA, OBAMA, COMMERCIALS
>>
>> Or, though it scares me to think, you mean justify my calling his/their actions TREASONOUS, tell me who's welfare, for want of a much better term, they have in mind when conspiring with a foreign gov't to lure yet more unskilled, illiterate masses for the purpose of expanding the welfare state, insuring perpetual generations of low information voters. Not mine, and likely not yours. Who is the president supposed to be working for??? Foreign nationals!!!???
>>
>>
>This is just like the emails I get from my 70 year old aunt except with all the RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE YOU MUST READ THIS !!! Stop NoBAMA !!!111 in the subject header.
>
>Hopefully we'll get back to old computers before we are all marched off to the FEMA camps and can't read email anymore. Well the rest of you anyway since I'm all good with Obama. He sent me a Christmas card so I think we're cool. I expect it will get me pass the the checkpoints.
No one is spamming you genius. Someone requested a citation. I just thoght I'd perform a public service and educate them. And it's absolutely uplifting to see yet another ostrich bury their head in the ground. Yes this a forum for discussing vintage gear, you don't have to love the occasional and brief digression, and this one was started by an old timer (on the list LOL). Fema camps my lord.
>From: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org" 8-FEB-2013 00:22:45.52
>To: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org"
>CC:
>Subj: cctalk Digest, Vol 114, Issue 9
>From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
> In other words: "Fucking SUITS!"
set mode/type=delurk
I couldn't have said it better myself, having first hand experience with suits
and MBA types. Why are most MBA's that I have met (not all, mind you)
borderline sociopaths? Is there some trait of sociopaths that draws them to
be an MBA? If anyone is interested in an entertaining (albeit disgusting,
in a professional sense) story, e-mail me off list.
ObOnTopic: I posted this a long while ago to another tech oriented list I'm
on, and I've seen folks here that overlap, so apologies for those that have
already seen this. I'm hoping maybe I'll strike with someone here - I have a
Telesign TS-16 moving red LED sign. I do not have the controller. I'd love
to get the controller for it, or figure out how to talk to the 25 pin female
connector on it (looks like a parallel port). I've tried serial, no luck.
Tried parallel and while I got the devices attention (it cleared the screen
and stopped scrolling) I have no idea what to send.
Hard googling and searching only comes up with my post on the other list.
I can't beleive this thing is that unobtanium, but I've been wrong before. ;)
Cheers,
Fred
I've been working on getting my S36 maint drawing set uploaded, and realized
that I don't have very many manuals for the system. Does anyone have any that
they'd be willing to have scanned?
This warrants a top post not that I needed an excuse:
GOOGLE - USDA, OBAMA, COMMERCIALS
Or, though it scares me to think, you mean justify my calling his/their actions TREASONOUS, tell me who's welfare, for want of a much better term, they have in mind when conspiring with a foreign gov't to lure yet more unskilled, illiterate masses for the purpose of expanding the welfare state, insuring perpetual generations of low information voters. Not mine, and likely not yours. Who is the president supposed to be working for??? Foreign nationals!!!???
------------------------------
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15 PM PST Josh Dersch wrote:
>On 2/7/2013 8:54 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>>
>> An add to the mix an administration who is running ads in Mehico explaining how people can get food stamps and whatnot once they get here. Can you say, anyone, high crimes and misdemeanors? Too difficult? How's about TREASON!!!
>
>[Citation needed.]
>
I was trying to find the old Macintosh software SCSI analyzer program, and came across this (unrelated other than they were
analyzing USB SCSI traffic)
http://vusb-analyzer.sourceforge.net/
Looks pretty cool for analyzing USB traffic.
For those who might be interested, a freshly-minted YouTube video this
time on another bastion of British retro-computing, my iconic
ZX-Spectrum.
http://youtu.be/cCqXqYRlQt0
Cheers
Terry (Tez)
If you are interested in the perspective of hackers, look for this book "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" for a good contrast.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Murray McCullough
To: cctalk
Sent: 2013-02-07 07:58:28 +0000
Subject: Vintage era
I was reading ?The Fire in the Valley? ? the story of how the computer
became a mass-consumer product - and the wrestling of control by
experimenters & hobbyists of computing technology from elites - the
computer cognoscenti. This beginning age(1970s-80s) saw the rise of
the technocrat, the nerd, the geek who revolutionized technology but
who today are the computing elite and control our technocratic society
for good or ill. Vintage computers, the beginning era, has been
subsumed by a technology so rapidly advancing it threatens to
overwhelm us yet I still look back with fondness and I hope we can
revive some of that era?s experimentation if only to validate a true
hacker ethic.
Murray--
I remember that the old DEC TK-50 DLT drives would leave me red-faced at
the end of the day. However, I'm wondering what the *latest* drive
(i.e. most advanced) is that can still *read* the old TK50 tapes? Can
one go as far as a TK85? Later?
I suspect that a DLT IV drive wouldn't stand a chance.
Anyone have experience with this?
--Chuck
I'm looking for an Apple enterprise product called "AppleSearch". The
version I'm looking for is preferably "1.5", but others might be O.K.
Please contact me off list if you have questions or have a copy of this
product.
Sorry for this crass "commercial" request - but, hey, there is a nice
bounty available ;)
Thanks!
Lyle
--
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
A Burroughs Redactor II is available in the Maryland area. Please see
message below and reply to original sender.
Reply-to: NaTasha Morgan-Lipscomb <tashatravels at msn.com>
--
Sellam Ismail VintageTech
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always simple.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:26:55 -0500
From: NaTasha Morgan-Lipscomb <tashatravels at msn.com>
To: vcf at vintage.org
Subject: Burroughs Redactor II
Good Afternoon,
Re: Burroughs Redactor II
I have the above referenced computer that we found in our home when we
purchased it. We would like to have it appraised or sold but don't know
where to start. Would you know of any resource that could possibly assist
us in an appraisal or sale?
Thank You in advance
NaTasha & Christian Lipscomb 443.766.9281 cell, 410.701.7010 work
I am selling a DEC RX-02 Floppy drive. I don't have anything to test
it with currently so selling AS-IS. Seems to turn on no problem
though. Selling for $400 + shipping or best offer. Seems to be half of
what the going rate is on Ebay.
Images here: http://imgur.com/a/LjTLw
Please email me at filipmaj at gmail.com if interested.
I reposted for you on the vintage computer forums too (if you get some replies from names you don't recognise here).
Best of luck!
- John from vcf past
