----- Original Message -----
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 01:14:49 +0000
From: "Sam O'nella" <barythrin at gmail.com>
> The point of whoever posted the complaint originally was more of the lines
> of "300$ or it goes to goodwill".
I got the point the first time, thanks; he could also have read it as: "I
need to get rid of the following items and would like $xxx; if no one is
prepared to make an offer that's worth my while I'll donate them to
charity."
As Richard says, if you want 'em and are prepared to pick them up, make an
offer; Landon's not a committed generous collector, he's a dealer with a
dubious rep, and IMO the prices are actually reasonable by ebay standards.
If not, move on; don't waste time bitching because you don't like Landon and
his prices or Goodwill's policies, think he *should* be prepared to ship
and/or break them down for parts, etc. etc.
They're PCs and Macs, not Kenbaks or PDP-6s...
But bitching at/about other people is what this list is largely about these
days, alas...
Sorry, forgot to mention I'm in the Seattle area (but travel around the
Pacific NW quite frequently).
At 9:14 PM -0700 4/20/13, Ryan Snodgrass wrote:
>I am looking for a DEC VT100, or possibly VT102, to add to my computer
>collection. I spent many years early on programming on VT100/102 series
>connected to VAX 11/750 and VAX 4000. I've wanted to have one as my
>terminal for quite some time. Does anyone know of a nice one that is
>available? Thanks.
>Ryan
And of course my newly-tagged subject lines leak out when I reply. ;)
Sorry about that...I will either remember to trim them, or disable my inbound
subject rewriting.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Has anyone been able to successfully use SDSX.SYS under a Mapped
RT-11 Monitor? Or does it have a bug and if so, does anyone have a
fix?
For as long as I can remember, I have used SDX.SYS (= SDHX.SYS)
to debug my programs under RT-11. Unfortunately, the SDHX.SYS
variant freezes everything in RT-11 (all jobs, device drivers, monitor and
even the clock) when the program is stopped at a breakpoint.
Note that DEC supplies two variants of SDX.SYS which execute under
Mapped RT-11 Monitors:
(a) SDHX.SYS which is called HARD
(b) SDSX.SYS which is called SOFT
In both cases, the file of the chosen variant MUST be copied to SDX.SYS
before that variant can be used. Obviously, only one variant can be
used at a time.
Very recently, I had the occasion to link VDT.OBJ (the ODT variant
modified into VDT) into my program and I found that other jobs
were no longer frozen. I hoped that SDSX.SYS => SDX.SYS
might produce the same result. However, not only does SDSX.SYS
not perform in that manner, but as soon as I attempt to activate other
jobs (almost always, those other jobs are KED variants executing as
system jobs which display the listing for the potion of the program which
is being debugged) which are in an IOWAIT state (holding for keyboard
input), RT-11 usually crashes immediately, especially when the breakpoint
is in the RT-11 monitor.
Does anyone have any experience with SDSX.SYS which is different,
specifically when SDSX.SYS actually works and still allows other jobs
to execute at the same time while one job is stopped at a breakpoint
under SDSX.SYS and the other jobs are KED variants which are
displaying a listing of the program which is being debugged. While
SDHX.SYS works perfectly, since it freezes everything when the
program is stopped at a breakpoint, I had hoped that SDSX.SYS
would allow the other jobs to move to other portions of the listing
as other portions of the code were being executed, often instruction
by instruction. In case this information is helpful, the other system jobs
which are executing KED variants have opened the listing file in
READ ONLY / INSPECT mode, and no other file requests are
being executed. I had somehow hoped that if VDT could execute
correctly but still allow other jobs to continue, that SDSX.SYS might
also allow that as well.
Can anyone help or at least comment? Am I doing anything wrong?
Is there a bug in SDSX.SYS which no one else has found? While
I am using a Mapped Monitor which has Multi-Terminal support,
the same problem is present when the DEC distributed monitor,
RT11XM.SYS without Multi-Terminal support is used. While
<CTRL/X> must be used with the same terminal to re-activate
a system job, when SDSX.SYS is used, the same problem occurs.
So does SDSX.SYS have a bug and if so, does anyone have a
fix?
Jerome Fine
On 2013-04-19 19:00, dwight elvey <dkelvey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For the 16 hole punches, I'm asking $35 plus postage.Dwight
I might be interested in an unpunch.
Fred Jan
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
> You might wish to include the general area you'd be able to collect one
> from.
Indeed. I have multiple terminals in central Ohio. Given enough time
to organize, I can even deliver to various classic-computer events
(since shipping is kind of a big deal with terminals).
-ethan
I am looking for a DEC VT100, or possibly VT102, to add to my computer
collection. I spent many years early on programming on VT100/102 series
connected to VAX 11/750 and VAX 4000. I've wanted to have one as my
terminal for quite some time. Does anyone know of a nice one that is
available? Thanks.
Ryan
Not to reignite a somewhat sensitive topic, but if anyone was
interested (like I was) in a publicly-accessible modern(ish)
IBM mainframe system, the FanDeZhi system at zos.efglobe.com
seems to be back up. You can acquire a free account here:
http://zos.efglobe.com/cgi-bin/mainframe/mainuser?F=APPLY
I logged in today and quickly discovered I have no idea what
to do. Time to read up...
- Dave
----- Original Message -----
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 03:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
["MikeS" <dm561 at torfree.net>]
>> I happen to think that I not only have a legal right to choose what to do
>> with what most people would consider worthless junk, but that it's really
>> none of your business.
> Indeed. Until and unless you make it our business, such as by posting on
> the list about it.
Like I said, I've learned my lesson; since offering something for sale here
before it is scrapped is not appreciated and instead earns the censure of
folks like you who on principle won't buy it from me anyway, I'll avoid
offending you and simply offer it elsewhere and/or scrap it *without*
offering it first.
> Unless you are also Steven Landon (and maybe even then - see below), or
> unless you've pulled such a stunt in the past and I've lost track of it, I
> don't see why _you_ are getting bent out of shape over this.
I have no love or respect for Landon whatsoever but I can see myself saying
exactly the same thing, i.e. "I've got to get rid of some stuff and if I
can't sell it by YY/MM/DD then I'm going to give it to Goodwill" (where you
could presumably pick it up anyway if you're in a position to pick up in the
first place); thus, the critical replies and comments could just as well be
directed at me, which is why I stuck my nose in.
If I give it to Goodwill or scrap it I never have to think about it again;
no waiting for folks to show up who never do, no endless email exchanges, no
listening to their complaints, no seeing it on eBay for $100 the next day,
etc. etc. and I think I'm entitled to choose whether to put up with those
hassles without any compensation. If you think that making my choice clear
is emotional blackmail, then so be it.
> ...the response from someone who actually cares about the hobby instead of
> about yanking others' emotional chains would have been more along the
> lines of "oh $#!+, is that what they do? Then...", or perhaps "actually,
> I asked them and the real policy here is...".
I guess I accepted a long time ago that millions of tons of useful and
valuable stuff gets buried, crushed or melted down every day and I don't get
as emotional about it as you think I should; if I think it should be saved
and am in a position to do so, I will; what other people choose to do is up
to them.
Sorry if I'm not caring enough about the fate of old computers, or sensitive
and considerate enough of your feelings...
As I just replied to someone off-list, I find it sad and a little depressing
to see the animosity, *judgements* and personal attacks so prevalent on this
list, which is after all intended to bring fellow members of a community
together to share knowledge, experience etc. and in general help each
other...
I won an old 486 EISA motherboard on ebay missing a few chips most importantly is the BIOS.
Mylex MAE486-33 Rev P2, anyone have the BIOS file for it?
Manual says:
l Verify that the BIOS chip is a 28-pin, 27512
chip, with a 200 ns access time.
W For the MAE486 - verify that the BIOS chip
is marked "EISA BIOS 486 MAE rev xx"
I found the bios for the MBE486 online but that's a different board. And I did find the EISA config files.
I think it is missing the keyboard controller, and 2 Dallas RTC chips as well (have one of them at least). Working EISA 486 are getting hard to find.
Thanks
TZ
Hi all,
I'm going to get rid of my PDP11/45. The processor is complete, and has
solid state memory (non-DEC), and has power supplies. There is also an RK11
backplane in the processor box (may have some spare cards somewhere). The
machine has not been powered for 5 years, and will need the power supplies
looking at.
There is also a unibus expansion box, with power supply (no cards / options
fitted), and an untested RK05 drive.
This is all in an original DEC cabinet with side panels and rear door.
The machine is to be collected from Southampton, UK.
I am open to reasonable offers (I know roughly what I want, but I'll see if
I have the value about right!).
Thanks
Jim.
I was emailing with someone recently -- as in the last few weeks --
who was interested in one for the cost of postage from the UK.
However, foolishly, I have lost the email thread. (I have 22,512
threads in my inbox.)
If you're interested, do please drop me an email. I've dug the machine
out to check it boots, and I have found a suitable (well, slightly
overlarge) box.
--
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Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven
MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven
Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884
Anyone had any dealings with them in this regard? I expect that they run a
lot of local landfill sites (at least here in the US, but I think they're a
global company).
I've got a contact at my local one who tries to set aside for me anything
that they think I might find interesting, but management policy is that
nothing can leave the site once dropped off, and it sounds like this rule
will be more strictly enforced in a couple of weeks' time following a site
audit.
I was considering contacting their management to see if there's any way to
officially secure vintage items, and was wondering if anyone else has done
this successfully? (In particular, it would be nice to know ahead of time
what their main concerns are - if it's a liability issue, say, or if they
perhaps see monetary value in e-waste)
cheers
Jules
Hi
If you sent a PayPal for one of the S-100 PCBs and have *NOT* received an
email confirming I've shipped your boards or the boards themselves PLEASE
CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY!
There has been an instance of a PayPal email either not arriving or getting
lost. I don't know if this is a "one time" deal or part of a larger
problem. Maybe its related to the general confusion and nuttiness happening
in the US over the last few days. Whatever the problem is I need to know
right away.
If you've paid for a PCB, it will be shipped or you'll get a refund. No
exceptions! Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Lynch [mailto:LYNCHAJ at YAHOO.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:31 PM
> To: n8vem-s100 at googlegroups.com
> Cc: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Available S-100 PCBs
>
> Hi, an update on available S-100 board PCBs
>
> Good news!? There are several new and reordered S-100 PCBs available!
>
> The S-100 68K CPU boards finally came in so there are about 5 available.
>
> There are 25 of the S-100 IDE V2 reorder PCBs and 6 of the new S-100 bus
> terminator/prototyping board PCBs.
>
> There are 4 of the S-100 LAVA PCBs available.
>
> http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/68000%20Board/68K%2
> 0CPU%20Board.htm
>
> http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/IDE%20Board/My%20I
> DE%20Card.htm
>
> http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder¶m=S-
> 100%20bus%20terminator
>
> http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/Lava-
> 10%20Board/LAVA-10%20Board.htm
>
> The S-100 PCBs cost the same as before ($20 each).? However due to
> unforeseen extreme price increases in shipping by USPS I am forced to
> change shipping costs.
>
> Shipping in the US will be $3 for a single PCB and $2 for each additional
> PCB.? Shipping internationally will be $10 for a single PCB and $3 for
each
> additional PCB.? This is for the bare basics USPS first class postage with
no
> tracking or insurance.? The builder assumes all risk of delivery as per
usual
> arrangement.
>
> I apologize for the large price increase on shipping but this is out of my
> hands.? The USPS is in dire financial trouble and is raising prices on
shipping.? It
> affects us all and is most unfortunate.? These boards are provided "at
cost" so
> there is no margin to absorb any shipping price increases.? I have to pass
> them along.
>
> If you would like one or more S-100 PCBs please send a PayPal to
> LYNCHAJ at YAHOO.COM
>
> Thanks and have a nice day!
>
> Andrew Lynch
>
> PS, if you would like to help out this all-volunteer project please get
one or
> more of the S-100 LAVA PCBs. These PCBs are the oldest ones and them
> sitting around on a shelf does no one any good. I?d like these to go to a
> hobbyist who would get some enjoyment from these fun to build and use
> boards. Thanks in advance. I truly appreciate everyone's support in
moving
> these remaining boards. You make this hobbyist home brew project
> possible.
There's some questionable choices on there... The Sinclair entries... and
the biggest of all... PS3? It's not even a proper computer.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
> At 8:31 PM +0200 4/9/13, MG wrote:
>
>> The Cray is the only one I marginally agree with, but the paupers
>> didn't even mention /one/ SGI. How the hell is that possible?
>> Even their saint Steve Jobs spoke well of SGI, very well actually.
>>
>
> Who remembers SGI? When I wrote my previous email, even I forgot them. :-(
>
> The Octane, O2, and Tezro should all be on the list! :-) Maybe Sun's
> SunBlade 1000 as well.
>
> Zane
>
>
>
>
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> | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
> | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
> | | Photographer |
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>
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 05:59:23 -0500
> From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com>
> To: <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Computing the old way - Is it a thing of the past?
> Some processes are better today. I recently had some old (1940s to '70s)
> 8 mm family movies scanned digitally.
>
> The service cleans the film and uses a wet-gate process to reduce scratches.
> They scan each frame digitally at HD resolution (1920 x 1080) using
> even LED illumination. They scan the entire film edge-to-edge. Many
> old cameras exposed the entire width of the film while the projector
> only showed the majority of the middle, so you see more image than
> ever before. I asked for a digital movie file for editing, so I sent
> them a hard drive. The results are astoundingly dramatically better
> from what you got from an old projector. No playback jitter
> from worn sprocket holes. Bright, even illumination.
>
> It's far better than the film-to-VHS transfer I paid for in the early 90s.
> (Private YouTube example links available on request.) All this for a
> dime or two per foot. I'll be able to edit digitally and provide
> family members with DVD or Bluray copies.
>
> The same is true for restoration and duplication of old family
> photographs. With a digital process, you can undo damage and
> easily multiply copies.
>
> As with the classic computer avocation, it can come with regrets, too.
> I wish I would've rescued 1930s family films from a distant cousin
> who passed away a decade ago. I had a VHS copy of some of his films,
> but not the originals.
>
> - John
John,
Which "film to digital" service did you use? I have a box of 8mm
family videos taken in the '60s-'70s that I would really like to save.
It sounds like you are very happy with the results.
Please contact me offline if you don't want to publically advertise the service.
Thanks,
Bob
All;
I've made a bit of progress in my quest, having serendipitously acquired a
DEC M7522 card (RUX50: RX50 for Unibus) as part of a pile-of-parts. It has
two obvious problems.
1. A 0.6"-wide 40-pin socketed DIP that is top-center on the board has been
trashed (literally, the top scraped off and the die exposed!). (The
socketed 82S105 just below it mid-board is just fine.) The ruined chip
appears to be a CPU; what is it really? Maybe a T-11? (The FD1796 is
somewhat to its right -- midway to the Berg connector, soldered-down, and
looks just fine!)
2. A pair of 0.6"-wide 28-pin socketed (presumed) EPROMs (mid-left on the
board, next to a pair of HM6264P-15) are missing. What are/were these
(type, speed)?
The board otherwise looks absolutely perfect, excepting damage to some of
the handles.
I'm still having no luck finding any documentation for this board; a
printset is especially desired. I throw myself onto the good graces of the
community to examine that M7522 card that you have in your system (or on
your shelf) in order to verify what the apparent-CPU is/was, the
EPROM-type/speed (2764? 150ns?), and to either point me to a copy of the
EPROM contents for the chip-pair or graciously offer to extract a copy of
yours :->. I'd be happy to send some blanks if you have the means to make
copies.
A quality scan of an intact board would be a helpful start on the chips.
Thank you, very much!
paul
----- Original Message -----
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:12:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
>> If someone owns something, then it is theirs to dispose of in any way
>> they wish. That is what private property is all about.
> Legally, yes. But there is a large difference between "legal" and "good",
> or even "legal" and "not scummy". Just because someone has a legal right
> to do something doesn't mean that doing it it shouldn't draw censure.
...
> I will think less of such a person and quite likely refuse to sell to,
> help on the lists, buy from, etc, said person...
I happen to think that I not only have a legal right to choose what to do
with what most people would consider worthless junk, but that it's really
none of your business.
But your censure doesn't bother me one bit, and your turning a *Goodwill
donation* of fairly common junk into 'dissecting an ASR33 into party favors'
just tells me something about trying to discuss something with you...
I used to think that when I get rid of something people would appreciate a
heads-up before I scrap it, but knowing that you and perhaps others will on
principle "refuse to ...buy from" me (thereby *increasing* the likelihood
that it'll end up as scrap) and not wanting to get your (and others')
underwear in a knot, I just don't bother any more to offer things that have
a poor chance of selling before I scrap them (as I have done with dozens of
large/heavy systems including several Cromemcos, VG, etc.).
>> If you think that such things are precious and need to be protected,
> If you don't, what are you on this list for?
Considering the OT and childish/judgemental/argumentative/insulting crap
that I have to wade through these days I've been asking myself that very
question more and more lately...
I dunno, I thought perhaps someone might be able to use a part from those
systems I've scrapped, or maybe some of the obscure software filling my
shelves, or even some useful knowledge from my 40+ years in the field, but
no, I don't think that any of the systems in question are particularly
precious or rare nor do they need to be "protected"; there are lots of IBM
5150s out there including three rusting in my basement. Some people just
want to own them and get upset because they can't for whatever reason...
>> then do something about it. Buy them yourself. [...] Anything.
>> Just don't go bitching to the mailing list and then expect someone else
>> to do it for you.
I agree completely; instead of bitching, appreciate that it's being offered
at all instead of going straight to Goodwill/scrap/the dump!
If you want it then buy it; if you don't and no one else wants it either
then it's obviously not worth very much...
m
----- Original Message -----
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:20:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Last chance on Local Pickup machines in Flushing MI
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Richard wrote:
> Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> writes:
>
>>> [Since others won't know why Richard made this remark,
>
>> Apparently even you don't know why I made this remark. I make this
>> remark now because you said the above, on the 19th of April.
>> The rest of your message I'm not going to respond to because it has
>> nothing to do with my my remark quoted above.
> Well folks, I've tried to resolve this with Richard both on and off-list
since September of last year, and given the response above I guess any
further attempts would be a waste of time.
You're right; despite Richard's attempts to explain you seem unable to grasp
that this is not about you or any imagined or real exchanges last year, so
it would presumably indeed be a waste of time.
I happen to agree completely with what Richard said and was about to say so
myself when I read his post, and I don't recall any discussion with you last
September or any other time for that matter...
m
Hi cctalk list!
I was wondering if there is anybody in either Canberra or Sydney Australia
who has some old DEC hardware that is in need of a new home. I have a
PDP11/34 system that would love a RX11 or RX12, so I was looking for a set
of drives and a M7846 board for them to plug into.
I have a Dick Smith System 80 that I would happily swap :-)
--
Doug Jackson
DougsWordClocks
35 Fred Lane Crescent,
Gordon, ACT, 2906
Australia
http://www.dougswordclock.com/
I have about 25 BA350 style enclosures, BA35x power supplies, and
RZ24,25,26, 28,29,40, etc. Some are in canisters, some are bare drives.
I'm trying to clear a path and it's all in my way. Take one or all.
shipping from IL, 61853. Please contact me off list
Thanks, Paul
More stuff in the way:
5 epson SD-680L sysgen sticker on front
1 teac FD-55EV-12-v
3 teac FD-55 GFR
1 panasonic 455
5 455-7aag
1 475-3A10
take one or all. shipping from IL, 61853. please contact me off list
Thanks, Paul
In fairness a lot of times its a nondefault but mailing list per user configurable option. I think it isn't perhaps on this server or software but that would be one method of satisfying most.
Its not a problem on a real computer or mail client worth a grain of salt however I'm often mobile and also can't view subfolders easily from this crapberry so having a subject line but keeping it in my main inbox would also benefit my ability to keep track of mailing lists and topics.
Its also the reason I can't modify the original mail text I'm replying to half the time.