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by barythrin＠gmail.com

I thought we were all going to go to the ikea vending machine, put in our quarters, and have it print out the shelf we want for us soon? ------Original Message------ From: ben Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: cctalk at classiccmp.org ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Record Storage Sent: May 30, 2013 2:01 AM On 5/29/2013 10:49 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Expedite shelves from Ikea. Product description: ---------------- Particleboard, Paper, Fibreboard, ABS plastic, Foil, Printed and embossed acrylic paint, Clear acrylic lacquer ---------------- No Thanks, I'll buy from IKEA when they use *REAL* wood again.

12 years, 10 months

Power supply for HP9845B/C option 200

by dfnr2＠yahoo.com

Hi all, I'm looking for a power supply for an HP9845C option 200. I was fortunate to acquire an HP9845C.? I am in the process of moving, so I haven't had a chance to examine it fully.? I did open up the base, and it has the option 200 CPU set.? It looks pretty clean inside, although the power supply is missing. I do have a couple of working HP9845B's, but these use the hybrid processor, and my understanding is that the option 200 machines used a beefier supply. Does anyone know if the regular 9845B supply will work in an option 200 machine? The schematics are pretty complicated.? I'm wondering if the power supply has any special qualities that would prevent my putting together a switcher to supply the needed voltages, via an adapter. If I can't find a supply, I may try to "downgrade" the unit to a hybrid processor, by swapping out the CPU from a 9845B, with a replacement ROM board loaded with the 9845C image; or, swap the monitor and keyboard over to a 9845B, and add the 9845C ROM image.? Can I expect either or both of those options would work? Right now, we are in the middle of moving, and I don't expect to have a lab for a few more weeks, but when I do, I would love to try to get this machine up and running. Many thanks, Dave

12 years, 10 months

IBM 082 Card Sorter has found a new home

by j＠ckrubin.us

The card sorter will be heading off to Binghamton, NY where it will become part of an IBM 1440 restoration project at the Center for Technology and Innovation. Chances are pretty good that the sorter was actually built in Endicott, NY so it will be returning home after a 50+ year absence. Thanks to all who made an effort to keep this relic from the crusher! Jack

12 years, 10 months

Jnet for VMS

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

BITNET revival? Or were there other uses for Jnet? Was BITNET all 9600-baud synchronous modems or were there other (async?) links available between sites? Tim.

12 years, 10 months

Jnet for VMS

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

Dave wrote: >On 29/05/2013 02:25, Dennis Boone wrote: >> Anyone know how to lay hands on Jnet for VMS? >> >> De >When this was asked before I am pretty sure the answer was the owners >still protect the copyright... >... but I hope I am wrong..... > I asked Quest (who seemed to own it then) about this in 2010. They said JNET went end of life 10 years ago and it is no longer available or supported. I asked if they would allow its unsupported non-commercial or hobbyist use. They said it would not be in their best interest to allow this. I pointed to the OpenVMS and Multinet hobbyist licenses and asked if they would be willing to do the same for JNET. They said it was not something they would persue at this time. :-( Regards, Peter Coghlan.

12 years, 10 months

Interlisp Images (was e: Power Supply restoration for Xerox Star 8010 and PILOT OS)

by wlewisiii＠gmail.com

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:26 AM, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> > On 5/28/13 11:52 PM, Andreas Holz wrote: >>> Also, anyone have a digital version of PILOT (the OS for the Xerox Star) or know where I can get a copy? >>> > > I have a lot of software, including XDE (the development environment), Interlisp, early versions of Star and > the server "services". I imaged these long before imagedisk, so they are in dmk format. > > I've put up a couple of versions of XDE and Star 5.0 and 5.2 on http://bitsavers.org/bits/Xerox/8010 along with > a program that can extract files from raw floppy images. > > It will take a couple of hours to propagate out to the mirrors. > > I'll put the Interlisp images under 1108 Are these the actual VM images or disk images? If the latter, would anyone be able to tell me how to get the VM images out? I'd like to try to see if they'd run under my copy of Medley for DOS. Thanks, William -- Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White

12 years, 10 months

Jnet for VMS

by saquinn624＠aol.com

>I wonder that since Quest is now owned by Dell, would Dell be more open to this? > >Thanks, >Brad Arnold The problem (from the point of view of the owner) is that any sort of release requires a time commitment to ensure that they're not opening themselves up to claims for royalties from licensors, creating infrastructure, vetting licensing terms, setting up download servers, etc. - and the net return is about zero, as the software isn't sold anymore. Nice in theory, but hard to justify for the company on business terms. MultiNet, TCPware and OVMS are still sold, so there's a publicity motive - that and originally hobbyist overhead was taken over by the openvmshobbyist/Montegar group.

12 years, 10 months

Power Supply restoration for Xerox Star 8010 and PILOT OS needed

by nick.allen＠comcast.net

Hey everyone, I recently acquired a Xerox Star 8010, I now have panels for it (Thanks Jason Timmons) and am now working on the power supply. It is missing the transformer, does anyone have documentation on the power supply? I know it outputs 5v/12v and therefore I am looking at a 8v/16v transformer. Any recommendations on AMPS? I can find a 20A/30A transformer or a 80A/120A transformer, any suggestions? Also, anyone have a digital version of PILOT (the OS for the Xerox Star) or know where I can get a copy? Thanks! Nick

12 years, 10 months

Q-bus chips

by useddec＠gmail.com

A while ago someone was looking for various Q-bus chips. I don't remember who or what the chips were. If there are usable chips on the DEC M8044, I have 25+ of them that the chips could be removed. If anyone one is interested, please contact me off list with an offer. I can knock off a few bucks per board if you don't want the fingers. shipping is from Illinois, 61853. I'm still clearing out items, trying to make pathways. Thanks, Paul

12 years, 10 months

Dell Unix

by other＠oryx.cc

I was going through some old emails earlier, and came across one with a brief blurb about Dell Unix, along with this blog post. http://technologists.com/notes/2008/01/10/a-brief-history-of-dell-unix/ Has anyone worked with Dell Unix on this list? Any thoughts or comments? Jerry

12 years, 10 months

Jnet for VMS

by drb＠msu.edu

Anyone know how to lay hands on Jnet for VMS? De

12 years, 10 months

Tektronix / AMI custom chips

by jdr_use＠bluewin.ch

The spare parts box that was part of a tek4052 deal has several Tektronix specific 40 pins DIL, date around 1973 These are 156-0235-00 C8684 156-0238-00 C1840 156-0236-00 C1841 156-0243-00 C1842 also a MOS MCS1020 Anyone know what these were from ( not the 4052), maybe a tek 31 ? Jos

12 years, 10 months

LA180 / DecWriter I

by quapla＠xs4all.nl

Hi, After being kept in a corner, I unearthed my LA180 aka DecWriter I. After powering it up, no magic smore, but some humming from the fan. The selftest went ok, but the ribben needs replacement, the characters were faint. Now, I want to hook it up, so I opened the backpanel to locate the serial line, only to find out is is not having the converter board which is an LAXX-NY for EIA signals according to the user guide. So, is there someone having this board and is willing to sell it? Thanks, Ed -- Dit is een HTML vrije email / This is an HTML free email. Zeg NEE tegen de 'slimme' meter.

12 years, 10 months

cctalk Digest, Vol 117, Issue 56

by jonas＠otter.se

On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:49:09 -0700, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com wrote: > On 05/26/2013 11:00 PM, Jonas Otter wrote: >> >It would be interesting to know what the text is. This bit is about >> >Philistines. > It appears to be the Swedish subtitles for the movie "When the Whales > Came". It blows me away that in 1989 (or later) that 8" floppies would > still be in current use. > > --Chuck I can't find any indication that this movie was ever released in Swedish. Did you say it was from Svensk Text AB? The name rings a bell, but they do not seem to exist any longer. /Jonas

12 years, 10 months

Sourcing DIP Transformer replacements

by elson＠pico-systems.com

> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:48:34 -0700 > From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Sourcing DIP Transformer replacements > Message-ID: <351131F8-AC04-460B-8FE0-68F6B672ED93 at cs.ubc.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On 2013 May 27, at 2:00 PM, Dave wrote: > >> On 27/05/2013 19:19, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> >>> .. >>> The 2624- numbers appear to be Burroughs house numbers as I think >>> the board is from a Burroughs machine, the 79xx/78xx date codes. >>> I wonder if NPI was the transformer manufacturer. I RE'd the board >>> so I do have a schematic that shows how they are used but don't >>> know anything about their specs beyond that. >>> Pulse Engineering and Rhombus Industries are both, I think, still in business. We currently buy delay lines from Rhombus. They have limited stock of many items for prototyping and repairs. Digi-Key has a wide range of pulse transformers from about 5 manufacturers. If the transformers are 1:1 winding ratio, there should be a huge range of parts available, and the exact inductance may not be very important. Jon

12 years, 10 months

Pre-unicode Swedish character set?

by jonas＠otter.se

On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:40:43 -0700, Chuck Guzis<cclist at sydex.com> wrote: > Vi har v<FA>ara egna filist<FB>eer som ger > sig p<FA>a oss om vi inte <FE>ar vaksamma. > > Thanks for any assistance. <FA>a = a ring <FB>e = e acute <FE>a = a diaeresis It would be interesting to know what the text is. This bit is about Philistines. /Jonas

12 years, 10 months

Why not sell overseas?

by alexandre.tabajara＠gmail.com

I'm very sad with the way things are going... I tried to buy a swivel base for my eMac, and NO ONE of the three or four sellers accept shipping to Brazil, nor sending for some friend in USA to repack and send me. What is going on? :o( --- Enviado do meu Motorola PT550 Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br

12 years, 10 months

Sourcing DIP Transformer replacements

by derschjo＠gmail.com

I've started looking at what it's going to take to get the memory in the Imlac running again. There are two core assemblies in this machineand they're both in pretty bad shape as they were exposed to moisture for a long enough period that they accumulated quite a bitof corrosion on the control logic. (The cores themselves seem to be OK). I went over the better of the two assembliesand cleaned the legs of every socketed IC. In the course of doing so I found maybe 10 chips with legs that were falling off. I took alook at a random sampling of chips from the worse of the two assemblies and every single one of them has legs that are corroded through. So I'm going to be replacing a lot of chipsif I want to get these running again. Most of these are 7400-series logicand aren't hard to find. However, there a set of components that I'm not too familiar withand I'm not having much luck finding replacements. Now that I have the schematic I at least know what they are(had no luck looking them up based on the labels on the chips), they're described as "Transformer, 60uH", "Transformer, 6uH" and "Transformer, Square Loop" and have part numbers of 517A0024, 517A0023, and 517A0021. The chips themselves that are in my machine are labeled as follows (for the 60uH variant): 14201 NPIPA-2581 <date code> These are in 16-pin DIP packages. I'm going to need to replace quite a few of them. Any ideas of a modern replacement? (Any idea where to source NOS or used ones?) I can provide pictures if that'll help. Thanks, Josh

12 years, 10 months

[cctalk] Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount

by js＠cimmeri.com

> On 05/27/2013 01:22 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > *Why* is this unfair? I rarely side with "McGuire" on anything, but on this topic, I do. Perhaps another way to try to understand it is like this: when Hatfield bought the computer from Apple, his *intent* was likely merely to purchase the A1 and use it; his purchase was likely innocent; he likely had no idea that in the future, it would be worth 60x more. In other words, his 60x gain was a fluke... a bit of luck.. not something he *knew* about in the back of his mind when he bought the A1 from Apple. Now the next guy. Here's the key difference: he bought the A1 for $40k full well knowing he could turn around and sell it for at least $300k. His 12x gain was no fluke, no luck, but something he *did know* about when he bought the A1 from Hatfield. What McGuire is saying, is that a moral person neither ellicits gain through deception NOR that other perverse way of lying: not telling the whole truth. You can swindle a person either way, and that's what it seems buyer #2 did. - JS

12 years, 10 months

Bad Bernoulli Box media - ideas?

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

I just ran through all of my 5" 20MB Bernoulli Box cartridges and a lot of them would not format using the Iomega tools. The media itself looks fine, but it might be worn out or magnetically compromised. This media uses servo information that I don't think can be written by the drive. So bulk erasing to try to clear up errors is out of the question. I tried it just for grins and what was a marginal disk now never comes ready. Aside from making sure the drive and heads are clean, is there anything else to be done with these? (In the event that they are dead, I'm looking for ideas for an art project using them. ;-) ) Mike

12 years, 10 months

House prices in USA - Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:46:01 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> ... Autumn and I assisted in 11 (yes nine) house moves in 2010, before we left FL. ----- Reply: ----- Testing our octal skills? m

12 years, 10 months

British Computing heritage - Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:37:00 -0400 From: Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: British Computing heritage - Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount Message-ID: <51A38BAC.6030301 at telegraphics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On 27/05/13 11:39 AM, geneb wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2013, Liam Proven wrote: > >> On 27 May 2013 15:23, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote: >>> You don't know who/what Processor Technology was? >>> >>> That's it kid, turn in your nerd card. >>> >>> :) >> >> :?D >> >> British, remember? >> > Oh right. I keep forgetting you come from a computationally > disadvantaged country. :D Indeed, only the birthplace of Alan Turing - and hence Computer Science - and in the hardware department, Colossus, and many other seminal machines. Not to mention, speaking of modern microcomputers, the BBC Micro which knocked the socks off any Apple II during the 1980s. --Toby ----- Reply: ----- Also the country where, after Turing had helped them win the war and they didn't need him any more, they persecuted him, chemically castrated him, and finally drove him to suicide... m

12 years, 10 months

RESCUE - IBM Model 83 Card Sorter Available in Chicago - must go before 5/31/13

by j＠ckrubin.us

A friend of mine is being forced to vacate his building at the end of the month. He has a nice Model 83 Card Sorter that has been well stored but unused for years. It must be removed before the end of the month. This is BIG - approximately 5 feet long, 4 feet high, 500+ pounds. If you want it and can come and get it (lift gate truck a necessity), please contact me _directly_ ASAP. It will be junked if not taken this week. Thanks, Jack

12 years, 10 months

[cctalk] Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount

by lproven＠gmail.com

On 27 May 2013 19:02, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2013, Liam Proven wrote: >> On 27 May 2013 18:47, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: >>> >>> I highly doubt he put in enough work to resell it for several hundred >>> thousand. >> >> >> [1] You're just trying to shift the point you are avoiding. What is >> "enough work"? Who defines it? What does "enough" mean? Is it >> /possible/ to do "enough work" on a single 8-bit computer to justify >> such a price? > > > If the time and effort put in to repair it somehow amounts to several > hundred thousand, then it justifies the price. Non sequitur. > Enough meant "the work put in is reasonably similar to the price you will > resell it for". Non sequitur. There is no possible amount of work that would justify the price. Therefore, it is not the amount of work. Therefore, your argument is invalid, because it manifestly was not that element of the deal. >> [2] You don't just list such an auction on eBay, you know. There is >> major work involved in professional auctions of such kit. A quick >> email to Sotheby's with "hey guys, I have this computer to sell" >> doesn't cut it. You need specialist knowledge, expertise, contacts and >> things. > > > Correct. It is absolutely absurd the price that either person sold the > computer for. ;) We are not debating what the price is. I think we are all in agreement that the price. We are debating if the price was unfair. > The lack of expertise shows in the prices. /Someone's/ lack of expertise. Not theirs. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

12 years, 10 months

Looking for Arraid AEM-1 SMD drive emulator operation info/commands

by bub7734＠yahoo.com

> I'm looking for operation information on the Arraid AEM-1 SMD disk emulator. > Does anyone have infomation on the operation of this device they can send me? > I'm looking any information on the commands used to setup/configure the > device through the serial port. > > TIA, > -scott After a bit of sleuthing on archive.org, I've found the trove of documentation on Arraid products back a number of years for arraid.com. I need SMD drives on my machines because the legacy OSes I run don't support MSCP, and I need large capacity (relative to RK/RL) disk. Now that I've acquired some of these AEM-1 units to replace my ailing SMD drives on my PDP-11 systems, I'm confident I'll keep my machines and OSes running for quite some time. I've got two units running now, with only a day's worth of effort primarily due to the unclear documentation, and both are working great with Emulex SC31 UNIBUS controllers (and also with UD33s). If anyone is looking to keep an SMD disk-based system running and concerned about failing media, I highly recommend looking into these used Arraid devices.? The prices have come way down compared to new, and they've been showing up on ebay regularly. Just thought I'd share my success. -scott

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