In a message dated 97-03-17 14:50:15 EST, you write:
<< 1 TI99/4A with no stuff - just the basic unit. I've never had a
TI99/4A before so this should be fun. My main question is - what
is the input voltage? I'm going to need to mod a power supply to
it before I can get anywhere with it.
>>
Bill,
Your best bet is to pick up a genuine TI transformer yourself. However,
quoted from the TI transformer itself:
INPUT: 120VAC 60HZ 40W
OUTPUT: PINS 1,2: 18VAC, 18VA
PINS 2,4: 8.5VAC, 1.28VA
Hope this helps - by the way, did you get a beige or silver unit, and how
much did you pay for it?
Also, where are good thrift places to hit (other than Salvation Army), where
you can go and pick up used computer stuff?
Bryan
bnicalek(a)aol.com or reply direct to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
I have always wondered what happens to the software that was used on the
computers that show up at thrift stores. I understand that someone who is
just upgrading from a 8088 to a pentium will keep his software but what about
Atari's, Applle II's and Commodore 64's? Why keep the software if you are
getting rid of the hardware? Can anybody explain this to me? This came to
mind again because I just picked up a C64 at a thrift shop with a 1541 and a
BusLogic card (??) but there was nary a disk or cartridge.
BTW, can anybody tell me where I can get a boot disk for the C64?:-)
Lou
In a message dated 97-03-17 06:07:12 EST, you write:
> (And BTW, anyone else had the misfortune of having to carry something
> like the Kaypro home via public transit at rush hour? The machine got a
> lot of interested stares, but boy did my arms hurt when I got home!)
Yes, except I used a luggage cart (I'm not as strong as I used to be) .
Strange thing was that no one seemed to notice.
Lou
On 20-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote:
>> Also, how many of you remember the old "pong" game that had the paddles
>> built into the unit? My family had one of those, I'd like to know where
>> it is now! :-)
>My brother still has one of those and I found one at the Goodwill for a
couple
>bucks. They're still around but pretty rare.
I have a SuperPong, which is a console with the two paddle controllers
built in, just as in Pong, but it is selectable between 4 different games. We
bought this new somewhere in the 1977-78 time frame if I remember correctly.
I entertained a 4 and 6 year old with it a couple weekends ago!
Jeff Jeffh(a)eleventh.com
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Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore
C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel
Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-
Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4.
Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.
my undertanding is that these software-based solutions work only with the
newer 1571's. the 1541 is hardware incompatible with normal PC floppys.
This issue and hardware solutions (e.g. cables for hooking the 1541 to a
PC) is all described nicely in the comp.sys.cbm news group and FAQ and more
detailed questions are best fielded there.
- glenn
At 09:08 AM 3/18/97 -0800, you wrote:
>"Mr. Self Destruct" <more(a)camlaw.rutgers.edu> says:
>
>>One good way that I have found [for FTPing off the net]
>>is to use a program [for commodore computers] called Little
>>Red Reader. Basically, you just download onto your PC
>>then copy to a PC floppy. Little Red Reader is basically a
>>shareware clone of Big Blue Reader. It lets you copy from
>>PC fromat to CBM format and is actually pretty quick about
>>it! Ive had no problems so far. You can FTP it from the
>>usual C= sites [ftp.funet.fi etc.]
>
>Waitaminute.
>
>Are you saying you can get a single-sided 1541 drive to read a PC-
>formatted disk? I'm impressed.
>
>Do you need to do anything special (like, say, format the disk
>single-sided)?
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I was just browsing around the web this morning, and I saw this on the
Auction Web.
DWP 410 daisy wheel printer, paralell interface for the TRS80.
http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=oqb951
Seller's email: jruffco(a)adams.net
I know that some of you collect TRS models, and this item hadn't been bid
on, and the first bid was to start at $1.00. Also, the bidding ends today,
so I thought I would put this out in case anyone is interested. You can
occasionally find some good stuff on the auction web, but of course there's
always that yahoo out there with $1 more than you. Hope this helps someone.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
On 20-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote:
>I got some system disks for and O1 from him early this year. He is and
>excellent resource and a righteous dude. Without him and the system
>disk archive many otherwise working machines would have ended up in
>the landfill.
I can definately vouch for Dan here! I've bought the system disks for both
my Osbourne Executive and the Kaypro 2X from him. He's very quick to repsond
to inquiries, and he's also very knowledgable about the different systems. He
posts on Usenet in the CP/M group quite often.
Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore
C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel
Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-
Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4.
Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.
On 19-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote:
> Upon turning the unit on, I get (if I recall - it doesn't stay very long
>on the screen):
> Bad CMOS configuration blah blah yada yada
> Then the screen goes blank and the system just sits there, fans spinning.
> I have some questions about the unit I figure I'd through out here before
>going to alt.folklore.computers.
If the 386 BIOS goes by the same keystrokes and such as the Z-248 '286
BIOS, you should hit Ctrl-Alt-INSERT as the machine powers up to access the
built-in BIOS setup.
>1. It doesn't seem to even look at the keyboard. Do Zeniths use
> a proprietary keyboard, or is the POST routine not getting past
> the bad CMOS?
No, Zenith systems do not use a non-standard keyboard. It sounds likely
that it may not be getting that far.
>2. The computer itself has a daughter board that contains the
> ROMs, a SmartBattery (DALLAS - DS1260-100 / 9816 / 3V
> Lithium battery), an Intel 8742 (Universal Peripheral Interface
> 8-bit Slave uController) and other neat features (the 8 LEDs
> are a nice touch). The Smart battery can be removed, but I'm
> wondering if it's a common item and is easily replaced.
If you remove the cover and watch the 8 LED's, you'll be able to watch them
progress from all dark, to all lit up as each POST test is completed. I know
on some Z-248's I've seen, there are even little captions silkscreened on the
board next to the LED so that you can tell which part of the test it's on. On
the Z-248 though, the LED's are on the main backplane board, on which the
processor, memory, I/O, diskcontroller, and any other board, plugs into.
Hope this helps at least a little. All of my experiece is with the 286
powered Z-248, but hopefully at least some of it will help you out.
Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore
C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel
Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-
Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4.
Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.
Sorry to bug you guys again but after I post the original
message, the system I use for E-mail crashed big-time and
consequently, all my mail [40+ messages] from that day or
so was lost. I know a few of you replied to the question
and I would *really* appreciate it if you guys could kindly
repost your replies, either personally to me or back on
the mailing list.
Thanks!
Les
This is for all of you that are familiar with the TI-99/4 and 4A and it's
Speech Synthesizer. Does anyone know if there were any of the Plug-In Speech
Modules ever released? Granted, the reported 373 words (from the Synthesizer
booklet) is pretty good, it'd be nice if it were larger. Also, I'm looking
for any cartridges that used the Synthesizer, as the only two I have that do
is 'Parsec' and 'Terminal Emulator II'. I am especially in need of the
'Speech Editor' cartridge.
As an aside, I was going through the different manuals and such I have for
the TI-99/4A and found "Entertainment Games in TI Basic and Extended Basic"
>from SAMS in the Blacksburg Continuing Education Series. It still includes
the manual, TI Basic reference card, and a cassette with the programs on it.
According to the manual, there are twenty programs in all, and it looks fairly
interesting.
Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore
C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel
Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-
Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4.
Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.
Well, I borrowed an eprom burner from a friend and pulled apart some of my
cartridges to see if I could copy one. I picked Atariwriter. Here's where
the confusion comes in. I am not sure what kind of eprom the cartridge
contains, so I read the left chip as a 2532, and as a 2732. I got two
different sets of data. I pulled them both into a hex editor, hoping for a
clue as to which on was the correct one, and they both had legible text that
I could recognize from the cartridge. How in the heck can I tell which kind
they are, or if I am even getting close. I copied both chips as 2732's and
2532's and made a set of 2732's with both sets of data, plugged them into
the original board, and nothing. This is really frustrating. I am hoping
that some one has done this at least once. This is my first time to use an
eprom burner, and I don't have a clue, except what I have read, and divined
>from the eprom burner program. I don't want to sound desperate, but I am
either barking up the wrong tree, or i'm in the wrong forest.
Thanks for any help, and all of the help I have received so far.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
On 19-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote:
>Actually, there was only one volume of BASIC Computer Games, it's just
>that there were several editions/translations of the same set of programs.
>The original was in DEC BASIC, then there was the Microcomputer edition
>(MITS Altair BASIC), a TRS-80 edition and probably a few others. Back
Ward,
I have the TRS-80 edition here among my different books, and it is indeed
by the same David H. Ahl. I think my favorite program in it is the Star Trek
game. I remember even getting to play that same game on a Honeywell mainframe
or mini of some type back around 1985 or so. In that version, there was a bug
that allowed you to create energy instead of using it if you put the warp
factor in as a negative number. We used to put it in as a very large negative
power or 10 or so, and that gave us more energy than we could possibly use the
whole game, all on the first move! BTW, on a similar note, I saw a web page
the other day about a reference book in the works, and it covered even all of
these early micro versions of Basic, and cross referenced the commands to any
other variant. I saw a book like this years ago, but it covered the popular
micros of the time such as the Apple's, TRS-80's, and such.
Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore
C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel
Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-
Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4.
Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.
I saw this in comp.sys.tandy a few months back. I do not know the
disposition of the system. I would love to have it myself, but it
will be years before I could get the resources to properly open a
facility such as it deserves. The Boston Computer Museum has no
sense of _real_ history, IMAO. I did several of the mods Dennis
described, both those for the TRS-80 Model One and for the Color
Computer.
Ward Griffiths
***** BEGIN INCLUDED TEXT *****
> Subject: Good Home For Custom TRS-80?
> From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <bathory(a)maltedmedia.com>
> Date: 1996/11/17
> Message-Id: <328F9226.58D1(a)maltedmedia.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
>
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a good home for the original *Custom TRS-80* ... my
> model I about which the book was written 15 years ago. The Boston
> Computer Museum isn't interested ... TRS-80s don't number among their
> favorites, I was led to believe ... but I certainly would like to see it
> in a public location with all its parts and modifications available,
> plus copies of the books, disks, etc., original manuscripts and
> programs, peripherals (speech synethesizer, expansion goodies) etc.,
> etc., and an LNW-80 clone! If the site was a really good one, I'd throw
> in the CoCos and all their original mods, circuit card schematics,
> negatives, and so on.
>
> Does anyone know where a good home might be found for this (other than
> mine)? Please feel free to forward this post to anyone who might have an
> idea ... I've kept all this stuff together, but am beginning to tire of
> the fact that no one can see it. Those of you who recall the book and my
> magazine columns can imagine what an odd collection it is!
>
> Best,
> Dennis
***** END INCLUDED TEXT *****
Hit a couple of thrift stores this weekend. Here's the stuff
I didn't pick up - if anyone wants any of it let me know and
we can arrange something.
2 Commodore 64's (9.99 US$/ea)
1 Blue Chip 5.25" Disk Drive (7.99)
^Can anyone tell me what this is?
1 Apple 2c (9.99)
2 IBM PC's (19.95)
1 Commodore Cassete Drive (7.99)
As for stuff I did pick up:
1 TI99/4A with no stuff - just the basic unit. I've never had a
TI99/4A before so this should be fun. My main question is - what
is the input voltage? I'm going to need to mod a power supply to
it before I can get anywhere with it.
Also an Aquarius Personal Computer Model 5931R from Radofin Electronics
(Far East) Ltd. Has anybody ever heard of this thing? I sure haven't.
It has small blue rubber keys and a template with basic commands
written all over it. It's about 30cm x 18cm x 4cm. On the back
there are three ports labelled Print, Cass, and TV. It has a big
cartridge slot (but came with no cartridge :(. I cracked it open
to see what's on the board but it has a big shielding cage soldered
all the way around the board edge and I just didn't have the time
to tackle that. Plugged it in and attached it to a composite
monitor but got nothing. The power light did come on. I'm guessing
it probably doesn't operate without a cartridge. Any info on the
thing would be much appreciated.
Bill Whitson
ClassicCmp "owner"
bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu
In a message dated 97-03-17 10:57:55 EST, you write:
<< Talking of TI's I have a 99/4A that has an all silver case, not to be
confused with the beige case.) The serial number is "R 047012 40 83 RC1"
and the model number is "PHC004A". You can find a picture of it at this
URL:
http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/old_collection/manufacturer-ti.html
I have been searching for information about this machine for some time.
I would like to know if it was a production version or some sort of
custom job.
Regards
--
Kevan
Kevan,
If there is a serial number such as this, it was probably a limited-edition
production version. I wouldn't envision it as a custom job.
In fact it is probably worth lots of money, because it's the only one I've
seen in my lifetime!
Bryan
bnicalek(a)aol.com
In a message dated 97-03-17 11:52:10 EST, you write:
<< The 99/2 did make it out the door - I bought one in a MSP Target. The hex
bus peripherals also were produced, and worked with the CC40 (handheld from
TI). >>
Interesting, I thought it never did. But, they were extremely rare to find.
Bryan
bnicalek(a)aol.com
In a message dated 97-03-17 05:36:45 EST, you write:
<< Actually, if you can find the May 1983 issue of Popular Science, there's
a two-page ad for the 99/2 inside the front cover. The first of these
pages is a photograph of Bill Cosby holding the 99/2 in front of him.
The advertising text starts with "Under $100. Meet the lowest priced,
16-bit computer available."
The machine was supposed to come with 4K, had a 48-key keyboard, and had
a "Quality, flicker-free black and white display".
One of these days I'll have the guts to cut up some magazines and have
some of these cool old ads laminated. Too bad I have so little wall space.
>>
I'm going to research that Popular Science ad on a microfiche at our local
library! Funny how TI can advertise and not actually get the product out
there!
Bryan
bnicalek(a)aol.com
Hello,
I just picked up a Mac 128 on Sunday. With an Imagewriter I, external
drive, carrying case and manuals, etc. Had the manuals and the original
Macwrite/Macpaint disks & manuals.
Anybody know what the going price for one of these might be? I'd like to
keep it but being a student forces me to sell off the valuable stuff and
keep the cheapies. In other words, I need the money. I've seen 512's
listed on auctionweb go for $60 and up but 128's are few and far
between. None listed in Dejanews either.
Any comments appreciated. I will probably put it in the auction in a few
weeks, once I play with it a little.
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In a message dated 97-03-16 14:37:42 EST, Roger Merchberger writes:
> At 01:23 PM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>> 4: TI's first model computer - #4 - sounds cool, heh?
>> If it was their first, why #4? What happened to 1-3?
> Ummm... If y'all don't mind the extra added crazyness, The TI-99/4 was
> *not* the first model! There was a TI-99/2!
The 99/4 & 99/4A were the first computers from TI.
The 99/2 came out as a low end ($100) computer to compete with the Vic 20.
There was a 99/8 planned (less than a 100 were built - a high end home
machine) that never made it to the stores.
Commodore's price wars (and TI's arrogance) killed the 99 line.
Kind of ironic since it was TI that nearly killed Commodore years before in
the calculator market!
John Hamilton
hamijohn(a)aol.com
"Old computers never die, they just fade away bit by bit!"
You all should have heard from me already - but let me say
once again - Welcome to the list.
We've got around 50 subscribers at the moment which is far
better than I thought we'd get for weeks.
Couple things:
1. I'll be setting up the classiccmp web site this weekend. If you
have any ideas for what should be there let me know. Currently, I'm
planning on putting together a list of all computers that meet the
"classic" criteria, copies of the various old computers FAQs, and
hopefully some .PDF (acrobat reader) files of articles from old
computer rags. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to maintain
a list of resources but I know of relatively few.
2. I'm going to a Salvation Army computer sale this weekend. If
any of you have really big wants - I'll look around. I'm always
hoping to find that elusive LISA-1 :).
-Bill
In a message dated 97-03-16 16:44:26 EST, you write:
<< Yes, there was a 99/2 but it came AFTER the 99/4! (Don't try to make
sense of anything TI did related to computers)
>>
The TI-99/2 was never actually produced. Only pre-production units were ever
made. This was after the TI-99/4A, back in 1983. A whole line of
peripherals were planned to be offered, including the new HEX-BUS interface.
The 99/2 was black and white only, 40 columns, and limited but a very
portable computer. Only rare photos have ever been seen.
And to make things even more "crazier", the TI-99/8 was trailed by the
TI-99/2. The 99/8 was also pre-production units only, about 150 only were
ever made. More information on the 99/8 is available on the TI web sites.
Bryan Nicalek
bnicalek(a)aol.com
On 18-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote:
>Also an Aquarius Personal Computer Model 5931R from Radofin Electronics
>(Far East) Ltd. Has anybody ever heard of this thing? I sure haven't.
>It has small blue rubber keys and a template with basic commands
>written all over it. It's about 30cm x 18cm x 4cm. On the back
>there are three ports labelled Print, Cass, and TV. It has a big
>cartridge slot (but came with no cartridge :(. I cracked it open
>to see what's on the board but it has a big shielding cage soldered
>all the way around the board edge and I just didn't have the time
>to tackle that. Plugged it in and attached it to a composite
>monitor but got nothing. The power light did come on. I'm guessing
>it probably doesn't operate without a cartridge. Any info on the
>thing would be much appreciated.
Bill,
It is a Mattel Aquarius, which was always produced by Radofin Elec. It
boots into a subset of BASIC and plugs directly to a TV, generally through one
of the game switch boxes most people used so they could switch between the
input for the game and that of the antenna.
Related to this, a company called 'The Aquarius Group', parent company
Bentley Electronics out of Los Angeles, CA, marketed quite a few things for
this little system. A thermal printer, data recorder, 16k and 32k RAM
cartridges, and a miniexpander to allow you to have multiple cartridge ports,
since both memory and software cartridges used this port. From the looks of
thier little brochure, which is the only documentation I have with mine, it
looks like most of thier software was written in LOGO, though there was an
extended Basic available as well.
Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore
C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel
Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-
Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4.
Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.
Following up to my own message; I don't know where my brain is tonight :-)
You have to LOAD the program not RUN with the instructions below for
running a single file. Then type RUN. I'm so used to the FastLoad
cartridge. :-)
Tony
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:01:22 -0400
From: Tony Cianfaglione <ab616(a)chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp@u.>
Subject: Re: Where does the software go?
People usually keep the disks and reformat them to be used on the newer
system. In the cases of those upgrading to 3.5" from 5.25", the disks
usually get thrown out and the computer stuck in a closet. When the
computer is later sold, there is no software left to go with.
You don't need a boot disk for a C64; its OS is right in ROM. To run
the first program on a disk, press the RUN-STOP key and the C= key at the
same time. To run another program on the disk, move the cursor to that
program (PRG file) and type RUN in front of the name of the file. Delete
^^^ type LOAD not RUN here.
any numbers or characters not in the name of the file and put ,8,1 or
just ,8 (in some instances) after the filename and press Return. The
program will run.
Tony
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On Sun, 16 Mar 1997 BigLouS(a)aol.com wrote:
> I have always wondered what happens to the software that was used on the
> computers that show up at thrift stores. I understand that someone who is
> just upgrading from a 8088 to a pentium will keep his software but what about
> Atari's, Applle II's and Commodore 64's? Why keep the software if you are
> getting rid of the hardware? Can anybody explain this to me? This came to
> mind again because I just picked up a C64 at a thrift shop with a 1541 and a
> BusLogic card (??) but there was nary a disk or cartridge.
>
> BTW, can anybody tell me where I can get a boot disk for the C64?:-)
>
> Lou
>
