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by dastar＠crl.com

Hmmm, I don't know if it was caused by last night's drunken stupor, but the e-mail from the person interested in the RX-02 got lost somehow. If you were the person interetsed, could you pleae e-mail me again? Sorry about that. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years

strange storage devices

by dastar＠crl.com

On Sun, 18 May 1997, Jim Willing wrote: > On the line of interesting storage devices - does anyone remember the > "scanner" that read strips of encoded data. I don't remember what it > was called, but for a little while they printed some of these strips in > Nibble. I think it was an Apple II only thing. I guess you could read > and print these strips and they generated programs when you scanned > them. Yes, I very much remember these and very much remember it always being on my wish list of things to add to my Apple. I never did get one. I posted a WTB ad on an Apple newsgroup a while back for one and some guy responded but he gave me this bullshit "tell me what you're willing to pay" line for it and so I told him $25 and he never replied. Anyway, if anyone's got one and wants it to go to a good home, let me know. > Also, some personal bad news - my van was broken into on Friday night > and a large load of classic equipment was stolen (I'm preparing to move > and the it was the easiest place to store it). So, if you live in the > greater Seattle area and you see a good amount of the following show > up when you're poking around, please let me know (I'm not as much > concerned about the equipment as I am about my addressbook, insurance > folder, and vehicle registration.). > > Stolen: IBM 6360 disk drive, Macintosh, Mac 512, Box of CompuPro s-100 > boards, Box of misc. manuals, Commodore DPS-1101 printer, TI99/4a > expansion box, Turbo C64 disk drive, CBM 8050 dual disk drive, Atari > 520ST, 2 commodore vic-1541 disk drives, 1 blue chip disk drive. Now this is some seriously fucked up shit. > I'm sure the thieves thought they really scored but I'm guessing it > will soon turn up at a thrift store or pawn shop when they can't > move it. Some of the equipment may be blood-stained. I have mounted > razor blades across the bottom of my car stereo and they found them > when trying to rip it out ;). The dash was very bloody - quite > gratifying. HAHAHHA! That's great. Well, I hope you get your stuff back, but at least you made the assholes suffer. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years

Digital RX-02 dual 8" drive unit

by dastar＠crl.com

I picked up a Digital RX-02 dual 8" drive unit today that I have absolutely no use for but figured someone in this discussion group would want. Please contact me personally if you are interested in taking it off my hands (dastar(a)crl.com). Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years, 1 month

Magazine retrospectives

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

Sam, That's not entirely true. ;-) I'm being paid to write optimized assembly code for an upcoming game from (of all people) Microsoft. 12,000 lines of hand tuned assembly, with some truely wonderful gems of small, efficient code in it. I must admit though that we had an editor >from one of the gaming magazines come by the other day and mention that the only other gam company still writing serious assembly was NovaLogic... It does seems like a dying art. But I'm off topic. What I wanted to bring up was Creative Computing Magazine , pre 1981. I was only 10 - 14 years old during that time period, but I remember the content as being fantastic. There were fewer rules and a much more hardcore audience then. Does anyone remeber "Computer Myths Explained" and the great line drawings of robots and wierd machines that took on a life of their own. I'd love to get a collection of those drawings... -Matt Pritchard mpritchard(a)ensemble.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 1997 2:41 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Magazine retrospectives > > On Fri, 16 May 1997, Captain Napalm wrote: > > The Apple disk conrtoller ROM which read the boot sector off of a disk > > was 256 bytes! Amazing piece of code. You won't find anything > comparable today, at least in any mainstream software (ie. windows). > > Sam >

29 years, 1 month

Osborne computer (fwd)

by scott＠walde.cprompt.sk.ca

I don't think I have to add anything to this email I recieved today... Can anyone out there save it? ttfn srw ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:09:49 +0100 From: Mike O'Neill <mikeon(a)globalnet.co.uk> To: walde(a)dlcwest.com Subject: Osborne computer Hi and I wonder if you can help. I have and Osborne computer (I'm not sure which one but it is an 80 col display with 2 x 185k drives and EProms fitted to hot it up and allow burning in of favourite software such as Wordstar and dBaseII). I don't want to trash the machine and am trying to find out a contact in UK who might be interested in giving it a home as a piece of computing history. The machine still works and is in good order although I havn'e fired it up for some time. Any help you can give would be appreciated. I can be reached at mikeon(a)globalnet.co.uk. Hope you can help and thanks in anticipation. Best wishes Mike O'Neill

29 years, 1 month

DD vs QD (Was: Re: FAQ updates/changes)

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

>On Wed, 21 May 1997, Scott Walde wrote: > I've actually had very little problem using _good_quality_ 360k (DSDD) > disks in my Tandy 2000, which has a 720k drive (DSQD). I believe the > magnetic material was the same from the DD to QD, just packed > tighter/finer(?). Am I wrong? I do know that some later T2k's preferred the usage of HD diskettes vice DD ones. This could possibly be a change in the drive mech that Mitsubishi used for the basis of the M4853-1. Mine used to use DD disks just fine, which is what I used since the QD ones were difficult to find and were expensive. Other people I talked to had no luck with the reliability of DD diskettes though and found that the HD ones would work just fine. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

29 years, 1 month

IBM 6151

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I dont know if this machine qualifies for discussion, but i know nothing about this model, and perhaps someone does. Its an IBM, and the model number is 6151 and appears to be in a slightly modified IBM AT case. it has an led display and a 5.25 drive and non standard connectors inthe back. i get nothing but a blinking cursor on powerup and some incrementing numbers on the led display. i think it might have sort of unix on it, as a piece of paper has the root passwoid taped to it. anyone know what this is? what is worth $20? david

29 years, 1 month

Call for Help: Retrieve files from 14" DEC platters

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

I'll post the results to this news group. I've been out of touch for the last couple days, so I don't know what plans have been made so far. As I said before: the response from this list has been fantastic. Another piece of classic computing history will be rescued from oblivion and made available for users everywhere (via the emulator project). -Matt P > > You can help preserve a bit of history. > [...] > > I don't have a VAX handy, so I can't help, but would you please > notify > this list if you succeed in reading the data? Things like this don't > happen > every day. :-) > > Alexios > >

29 years, 1 month

arcade game advertisements

by dastar＠crl.com

The other day I was looking at an ad on the back of a comic book. It was for a nintendo or sega game or whatnot. I then remembered how when I was a boy how Atari and other such companies used to advertise their games on the backs of comic books. Anyway, my point is that looking at the backs of old 80s comic books is a neat way to look back at the games that were available back then. It gives a nice historical perspective. Speaking of historical perspective (or something) I just got Pitfall for the Atari 2600 today (a game I had way back when I had my first 2600) and I must say even by today's standard it is a bitchen game. As far as creativity and just the sheer fun of playing it, it beats a lot of the dreck out today. I can't wait until my Pitfall II comes in. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years, 1 month

Lists

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Just a quick note - I've uploaded the remainder of the lists I'm working on (PCs and clones, peripherals, and operating systems) to the web site. The PC/clones list is nearly complete and the others are still very much "in progress". I don't know how useful they'll really be right now, but if you're bored you can send me additions and corrections. Bill ---------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw

29 years, 1 month

Gas plasma displays

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

At 06:39 PM 5/15/97 -0500, you wrote: >I remember seeing some other systems with this kind of display in >magazines. (The GRiD Compass comes to mind?) If I remember correctly, we had a Compaq 'lunchbox' portable machine that had a gas-plasma display on it. It was a '386 machine and the display pivoted outward and could be adjusted for the best viewing angle. I've seen a couple other systems with these displays as well, but don't recall which ones or if I had any problems with them. It seems to me that the gas-plasma was fairly easy on the eyes. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Amiga 3000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari MegaST-2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer 3, TRS-80 Model IV Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles

29 years, 1 month

Whoops...

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

BTW - they're at http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/misc.html Bill ---------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw

29 years, 1 month

Equipment available

by gram＠cnct.com

Unfortunately, I can't take advantage of this due to being on the wrong edge of the continent. But if anyone else is interested, go for it. The TRS-80 Model II IMAO was always one of the most rugged and reliable systems I ever used. Ward Griffiths "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy K. in San Francisco <scooter(a)california.com> To: gram <gram(a)cnct.com> Subject: Re: Model 2000 Xenix Hi There: I saw the posting that you placed on comp.sys.tandy that proclaimed yourself as a 16/6000 specialist/expert. I still have one that I don't use...it is taking up too much of valuable desk space...any suggestions on how to sell (for very little of course) this computer system. It is 1 MB, 20 MB primary, 12 MB secondary...2 8" double density disk drives... I also have two tandy 12s and 2 Model IIs and a VT-52 in the basement wrapped up in plastic. Software, manual, etc. etc. etc. While I was working for Toni Kelly of Bay Area (now in Dallas), we shipped a model II and it was a nightmare, so I would rather not ship it. Suggestions welcome...the owner of club-100 suggested I could ask $50 for the Model 2s, $75 for the Tandy 12 and maybe $150 for the 16/6000. Yes I know people have gotten them free or from garage sales/thrift stores...I would rather not have to dump these "boat anchors." Thanks, take care, andy k. in San Francisco scooter(a)california.com

29 years, 1 month

Some stuff I found on the NG today...

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello, I saw a post on the misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc newsgroup tonight that had a bunch of vintage computer stuff in it. Including some mac software, lisa books & software, Lisa keyboard, Apple II stuff and some non-Apple stuff too. I didn't want to quote the thing here because it's a long list so go to the newsgroup or Dejanews and search this title: Apple items for sale Posted by: jmorand(a)tiac.net (Doug M.) By the way I don't even know this guy, I just thought the prices looked reasonable and you folks might need something he has. Greg

29 years, 1 month

Odyssey

by dastar＠crl.com

Been pretty slow around here of late. I went to a thrift store and ended up finding a copy of John Scully's _Odyssey_. Although I hate this man and hold him solely responsible for the demise of Apple and especially the Apple ][ (please don't start a holy war over this, its just my stupid opinion) I found the book to contain tons of great history on Apple during the 80s and decided it would make an excellent read and historical reference. Even though it was in crummy condition, it was only $2.95. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years, 1 month

Call for Help: Retrieve files from 14" DEC platters

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

I just wanted to say this: Already several people have offered to help out by getting the files off the RLO2 disk packs. Right now, Jim Willing seems to be the guy to do it (he also seems to be closest to the disks, which I think are in central CA). I've put him in touch with keith Robinson who is heading up the Intellivsion emulator effort. Let me just say that I am overwhelmed by the favorable response that has come from the people on this list. The sense of community and people that value computer history has left me with a lump in my throat. Thanks to all, -Matt Pritchard > -----Original Message----- > From: A.R. Duell [SMTP:ard12@eng.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 4:50 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: Call for Help: Retrieve files from 14" DEC platters > > > > > > > This news just in: > > > > According to Ray Roux, who maintained the VAX systems, we were > running > > Unix, BSD 4.1. The platters are 14", with the label: Data Cartridge > > RL02K-DC. > > In that case, they're RL02 packs, with a capacity of 10.4 Mbytes. > There > are plenty of working RL02's about - I have a couple myself on a > PDP11, > although it's non-trivial to ship the packs to me. I am sure you'll > find > somebody in the States who can help. > > > -- > -tony > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk > The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill

29 years, 1 month

Call for Help: Retrieve files from 14" DEC platters

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

This news just in: According to Ray Roux, who maintained the VAX systems, we were running Unix, BSD 4.1. The platters are 14", with the label: Data Cartridge RL02K-DC. --------------------------- Any help in finding a system that can read it, and someone willing to help out is massively appreciated! -Matt Pritchard > -----Original Message----- > From: A.R. Duell [SMTP:ard12@eng.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 12:43 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Call for Help: Retrieve files from 14" DEC platters > > > In addition to all the games that people know about, the Blus Sky > > Rangers have some 14" DEC platters taken from 2 VAX systems that > were > > used for development. These files on these platters include source > > code, screen shots and data from *UNRELEASED* Intellivision games. > Some > > of these probably were announced titles that never shipped, others > were > > never even announced. > > 14" platters could be almost anything (off the top of my head, RK04, > RK05, > RL01, RL02, RK06, RK07, RM02, RM03, RP04, RP05, RP06, Several CDC > drives, > etc). And a drive that capable of reading one will not read any of the > others (even if they will physically fit into it). > > If you can find out what they were written on, there's a good chance > that > somebody will still have at least one working drive... > > > -- > -tony > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk > The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill

29 years, 1 month

Call for Help: Retrieve files from 14" DEC platters

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

I know there was mention on this group a few weeks back about disk platters. Here's the situation: You can help preserve a bit of history. There is a project underway in the classic gaming community to release the entire *entire* Mattel Intellivsion library on an Emulator for the PC and Macintosh. This project is being spearheaded by the Blue Sky Rangers - a group of original Mattel Intellivision programmers. In addition to all the games that people know about, the Blus Sky Rangers have some 14" DEC platters taken from 2 VAX systems that were used for development. These files on these platters include source code, screen shots and data from *UNRELEASED* Intellivision games. Some of these probably were announced titles that never shipped, others were never even announced. If anyone has working equipment that can read these platters, and extract the files to some other medium, and is willing to get involved to preserve these games before they are lost forever, please contect me at mpritchard(a)ensemble.net or matthep(a)netcom.com I thank everyone in advance, -Matt Pritchard

29 years, 1 month

movie computers

by davidv＠cs.mun.ca

hey, does anyone know the name of the computer/portable in the movie "Single White Female". I know it looks like a "lunchbox" type machine, but that's about it. thanks, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Vincent davidv(a)ganymede.cs.mun.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

29 years, 1 month

movie computers

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

I hope this isn't repeating a post as I accidently lost a few of the threads to this subject... ANYWAYS... I just re-watched "Electric Dreams." In it, the computer (Edgar) cmoes to life blah blah blah... Anyone know what kind of computer he/it was? The credits list Kaypro as a contributor... Les

29 years, 1 month

Call for Help: Retrieve files from 14" DEC platters

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

> 14" platters could be almost anything (off the top of my head, RK04, > RK05, > RL01, RL02, RK06, RK07, RM02, RM03, RP04, RP05, RP06, Several CDC > drives, > etc). And a drive that capable of reading one will not read any of the > others (even if they will physically fit into it). > > If you can find out what they were written on, there's a good chance > that > somebody will still have at least one working drive... > > Thanks, Tony! > I'm checking on what type of platters they are right now, and will > post my findings to this list.

29 years, 1 month

magazine collection and heath-kit 89

by dastar＠crl.com

When I was at my parents' house, I also went to visit my old-timer neighbor. My parents told me he wanted to talk to me about getting a new computer. He has one of the first 1000 HeathKit H89 systems to come off the assembly line. I remember going to his house back in 1988 a couple times to trade programming tips with him and playing with it. He built it himself. It's in cherry condition, with the original Heathkit covers for both the computer and the heathkit printer. I gave him advice on buying a new system and offered to buy his Heathkit from him, but I don't think he's ready to sell it yet. Before I left I emphasized that when he's ready to part with it to call me. I'm looking through this old issue of Popular Computing (I also found a good run of this magazine). This issue is September 1983. These things are awesome. Let's take a look at this one... The cover story is "Demystifying Computer Languages" and has a column each for APL, BASIC, C, COBOL, FORTH, FORTRAN, LISP, Modula-2, Pascal, PROLOG and Smalltalk. You see, that's another thing that was great about the 80s...not only did you have diversity of systems, but you had a viable diversity of languages. Sure you could argue that today, but let's face it, this is a C dominated world. Hmm, cool, there's a hacking article, "Profile of a Computer Abuser". And some way cool Do-itYourself article on how to build a $4 printer stand. Let's see, there's the standard Elephant Memory Systems disk ad (remember those? Always with a yellow backdrop, a lot of times on the back of the mag). Anyway, here's an ad for a Percom Data disk drive for the T-99/4a for $499. So whoever found that TI-99/4a disk in the thrift shop, keep looking for the Percom Data disk drive. Here's the basic IBM ad with the lame Charlie Chaplan impersonator. Ok cool, a big price page for a company called computer mail order (how generic). Timex Sinclair 1000, $39.95; Commodore 64, $239; Pet 64, $569; Sanyo MBC-555, $795; Eagle IIE-1, $1,369; and on the CMO top 100, we have Choplifter at #1 for the Apple, WordPro64 for the C64 and Donkey Kong for the Atari. Moving on, we have an add for Fontrix (a cool Apple ][ page designing program), an ad for Commodore 64 that compares its under $600 price to the $1395 Apple, the $999 TRS-80 III and the $1355 IBM PC. Wow. A 2-page ad spread for the Apple ///. Dum de dum, hey an ad for the HP-86 personal computer. I don't think I've ever seen one of these...its like an Apple in design, with the keyboard and CPU all one unit. I never knew HP made such a beast. I'll have to find me one of those. (are we bored yet?) Oh, here's a good one: an ad for a C64 that says "More power than Apple ][ at half the price" (what a joke) and for the VIC-20 that says "a real computer at the price of a toy" (they got the toy part right). I betray my thinly veiled Apple ][ bias. Moving on, here's a funky user definable keyboard called the keywiz VIP (and in parenthesis it says Very Intelligent Peripheral) made by a company called Creative Computer Peripherals. I guess you can assign a keyword to each key and it was compatible with the Apple and TRS-80. Then an ad for the TI Compact Computer. It shows a typically preppy 80s type dude sitting at a desk (presumably in a library) with a typically preppy 80s type chick sitting on the other side and the ad copy says "20 pages of notes, a thesis, algebraic forumlas. Can you make a date at eight?" The guy in the ad has one finger on a key on the computer which has a disk drive attached, and one holding a pen as he writes down notes on a yellow legal pad. Brilliant. I'll take two. Ok, here's an add from Wisconsin Discount Sales, showing a Panasonic 32K for $249, an Atari 800XL with, instead of a price, the word "NEW" in a blast bubble. Here's something funny. In caption from the article on Prolog, it says "Japanese researchers have chosen PROLOG as the standard language for their fifth-generation computer project. If the project succeeds, it's very likely that we'll all be programming in PROLOG by 1995!" I guess we all know the outcome of that particular project. Anyway, then there's a review of the Radio Shack PC-4 "programmable calculator" and the Casio FX-700P pocket computer. Hey, a ComputerLand ad. They are now back in business as Vanguard by the way. Blah, blah, blah. More ads. Blah. And that's pretty much it. I hope you enjoyed this tour of the September 1983 issue of Popular Computing. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years, 1 month

What a weekend...

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Wow. I didn't intend to buy any computer equipment this weekend but ended up passing a church swap meet with a big sign that list "compters" <sic> on it. Later in the day I spotted a pawn shop that had a sign up that said "Collectable PCs - get them while you still can!" Just how much temptation can one resist? Anyway I'll divide this into two groups - stuff I know things about already and stuff I don't have a clue about. Stuff I know about TI/99 Expansion box with disk/memory/rs232 Atari 520ST Commodore 128 (spare) Commodore Cassette (original) Macintosh (M0001) DEC Rainbow 100 Documentation in box DEC Rainbow OS disks Samda Word Processor for DEC Rainbow 25 RX50 disks labelled MICRO/RSTS - I don't knwo what they are but I'm guessing they're not for the Rainbow. I really needed some RX50 disks though. 34 C64/128 disks with programs 18 Apple II disks with programs FORTRAN on disk for the TI99/4A (the first disks I've ever seen for the TI) EagleWriter II for the Eagle Computer 12 Assorted CP/M disks 17 8" TRS-80 Model II disks Set of OS disks for Heath/Zenith Z-100 VisiCalc and a couple other Atari 800 disks Various old PC disks Some power supplies and RF modulators Hardware Maint manual for Novell Netware/68 (includes info and schematics for almost all early novell hardware!) Stuff I don't know about IBM 6360 dual 8" floppy system (for what?) TRS-80 TRP-100 printer TRS-80 Color Graphics Printer Commodore DPS-1101 Printer Alphacom VP-42 Printer (for VIC-20 only it says) NEC PC8801A (no keybd, disk drives) Excelerator Plus Disk Drive (looks like for commodore serial bus) MicroSci Disk Drive (Disk II clone, right?) Timex-Sinclair 1000 with plug-in box on the back (RAM module?) (I never realized from pictures how small these were!) TRS-80 RAM module (looks like the T-S RAM module) It was a fun weekend (glad I drive a van!) Bill ---------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw

29 years, 1 month

re-found magazines

by dastar＠crl.com

Well, I was too busy with other stuff and unfortunately couldn't attend a real good swap meet this weekend, but I did re-discover a cache of magazines in my parents' barn. I found out I had an entire run of Creative Computing, I have almost the complete run of A+ (including the first issue...this is an Apple ][ mag), a (I think) complete run of Incider (another Apple ][ rag), a few issues of byte from 1981 (the SmallTalk issue) and 1984, a couple issues of Family Computing from 1984, an issue of SoftTalk, and some other miscellany. This stuff is as good as gold! Creative Computing is a total blast going through all the ads. The main thing that struck me is the diversity of computer systems that were available in the early 80s. Contrast that with what you got today (Wintel crap/Macincrap). That diveristy is what we are discovering today. I think in 10 years there probably will be no memorable classic computers worth collecting from the 90s. MAYBE the Mac portable, and I can't think of anything else right off hand. There is just going to be this hideous montage of various IBM PC clones by different manufacturers or just run-of-the-mill computer shop PCs. Bleah! Long live the thriving micro-computer revolution of the 70s and 80s! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years, 1 month

What a weekend...

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 12-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: Bill, That's quite a haul you made this weekend. I've never been lucky enough to come across so much at once. Normally it's a couple of items at the most. >Macintosh (M0001) Lucky you! >FORTRAN on disk for the TI99/4A (the first disks I've ever seen for > the TI) I've got a bunch of disks for the TI that I was sent, though they tend to be GROMs saved to disk. >Timex-Sinclair 1000 with plug-in box on the back (RAM module?) > (I never realized from pictures how small these were!) Normally, the 16k RAM pack says what it is on it, though I guess a RAM module from a third party might not. The T/S-1000 RAM pack was about 3" wide x 3" high x 1-1/2" deep. I've seen third party RAM packs up to 64k, but they tended to be the full width of the computer. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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