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by dastar＠crl.com

Oh yeah, it's at http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~alexios/MACHINE-ROOM Go there now! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 10 months

Alexios' MACHINE ROOM

by dastar＠crl.com

I just visited Alexios Chouchoulas' MACHINE ROOM web page and it is downright cool. There is a lot of good information there, and the database is pretty complete as far as micro's go. Check it out. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 10 months

Moving my Collection?

by starling＠umr.edu

I'm going to be moving my collection a couple hundred miles from Austin, TX to Tyler, TX. I'm wondering if anyone has any packing or moving suggestions (packing material, special treatment of media, etc). The stuff is going to be moved by a moving company (Atlas probably) but I'm doing much of the packing ahead of time. I'm seriously considering moving the oddball monitors and magnetic media myself. I don't trust them with these easily harmed things and if they're damaged, they have little or no reimbursement value, but are difficult to find again. Anyone have any magical tips on packing and moving? chris

28 years, 10 months

Tiger Learning Computer

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Okay, let's see if I can include the file this time. Sheesh. :) Ok, this isn't exactly a classic computer. It's more the rebirth of a classic in a slick new case (looks like a laptop, but isn't) with a slick new desktop. If you don't think it's appropriate here, I won't be upset if you hit delete. :) I got my Tiger Learning Computer (hereafter TLC) from Pennys today. The outside box was smashed beyond all recognition, but the inner box, which only touched the outer one in two spots, was intact, and the computer undamaged. Inside the inner box was the actual retail box, with the pictures on it, the "Apple Technology" symbol on it and so on. It's an eerie feeling opening a brand new computer in retail packaging like that. I haven't done it since I got my Commodore 64, after weeks of waiting for it on backorder at LaBells (aka Best, now extinct) we picked one up at KMart. You C=64 collectors probably experience this all the time, opening a box to find *a computer* inside, ready to plug into the TV and compute. For me, it'd been 13 years. So what does $179 bucks plus shipping (box smashing was, presumably, free) get in 1997? Well, you get a solid feeling little computer that feels remarkably like an early power-book in your hands. You get the "wall wart" power supply. You get 6 cartridges, one of which is your battery-ram "disk", another of which has appleworks 4.3 on it. The rest each have a switch and two applications. They plug (upside down) into slots on either side of the machine. But I'm ahead of myself here. Hookup. Pretty much plug and play, although I did get a chuckle when I noticed that this computer has no RF modulator. Now that everyone owns a VCR with video IN jacks, it's not necessary anymore. So, white wire to audio in, yellow wire to video in, power, flip the VCR input to line in, hit the switch. And smile to myself as it boots up in prodos. Just for a second before the desktop and sound effects load. First annoying thing: The voice that says "Please select an activity" every time you boot. I'm finding I boot a lot. I can tell this is going to irritate me in the long term. I'm not enough of an Apple 2 wizard to know what video mode it came up in. It looks like about 16 colors, and about the resolution of CGA. Not as fine as my old '64 was capable of, but much faster. Using the thing. Ok, I've owned it for about 4 hours now and I have a horrible crick in my neck >from lying on the living room floor looking up at the TV, so I haven't even tried all the apps yet. If anyone's interested, let me know, I'll follow up. Loading programs is almost exactly like running them off a floppy, except that you can never boot from the program disk. You have to go to the disk icon on the desktop and tell the tiger to run the program. Not very intuitive, but I'm sure kids will figure it out as fast or faster than I did. Especially if they read the instructions. :) I just expected them to load automatically. My bet is in the next ROM version of the tiger they will. Appleworks 4.3 looks remarkably like it did on my friend's 2E all those years ago, except of course that it's not as sharp on my TV as it was on his apple monitor. I suspect a newer TV directly connected instead of through the VCR would perform better. That failing an old Commodore 1782 monitor should be something to see. Wish I hadn't given mine away. My nostalgia for Apple2 is limited here, like I said, I was a commodore 64 geek. WE didn't have to have disks to boot. (In fact, for the first 3 months I had my 64, I had no storage device at all, so my first programs were short, enjoyed to the point of boredom, and then utterly lost when the computer was powered off.) On the other hand, the odds of the '64 making a comeback like this are slim and none. They never had the educational following. So all in all, it's been a weird experience for me with this little computer. Objectively, it's not a bad little machine at all. The keyboard bites - although it may get better as it gets used/my hands adapt back from Microsoft wave keyboard. The sound is first class - even better than my '64s old SID chip. Graphics are about as good as can be expected on an 8 bit apple 2, except in color. Software is still a little weird - nothing beyond what it came with. Of course, if I can get my hands on a copy of "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" and type in the 83 line basic Kermit so I can communicate with the rest of my systems, I hopefully will be able to run all kinds of a2 software on it. The weird part isn't objective though. Part of me is rejoicing at the idea of this little throwback to the early 80s. I got a little piece of the excitement I had unpacking my 64 the first time unpacking the Tiger. And seeing it abuse my TV into pretending to be a computer monitor, even though it is a little fuzzy, made me smile. This, for me is how computing was. Part of me sits and scoffs at the tiger - and my '64 for that matter - when in the next room I have a lan full of reasonably modern PCs with orders of magnitude more power. Even my quasi-classic GS is head and shoulders above the tiger as a computer. But the tiger has something none of my other machines do. I'm not sure what, to be honest, maybe just nostalgia, maybe not. Anyway, I'm keeping it. Even if I do keep expecting the flip top to have a screen in it. (at least it comes off. :) -Jim -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

28 years, 10 months

Tiger Learning Computer

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

-- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

28 years, 10 months

Great weekend for old computers!

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-02 13:26:32 EDT, kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com (Kai Kaltenbach) writes: > First off, I got two Apple ///+ machines in a thrift store! Anyone have > a copy of SOS for these suckers? If no one has a copy try http://www.allelec.com. They have it with II emulation for $7.95. However their minimum order is $25.00. Lots of Apple and mac stuff available though. Lou

28 years, 10 months

capturing legacy documentation

by groberts＠mitre.org

At 12:10 AM 6/3/97 -0400, Mr. Self Destruct wrote: > OK, lately, I have been placed in a sort of dilemna... I have literally > been deluged with e-mails/posts from people asking for MY MANUALS ... > I will grudgingly go to my nearest copying center and make > copies .. perhaps it is time for this group to stand up and begin to truly capture the history and documentation of classic computing - and to do it on line. for starters this means capturing manuals which are all too often lost first. next (and more challenging legally) is software. we could use some solid legal advice on what can and can't be posted but i find it hard to believe that anyone could object to putting scanned-in versions of most older manuals on the internet since: 1) many of these companies are no longer in the business, and 2) even if they were they would probably themselves make such a service available or welcome a third party to do it. i think all we really would have to do is make sure the original copyright notification was preserved in the on-line version. i realize system software is a tougher issue but perhaps we could start with the manuals. so we would need a home location (Bill Whitson: how about the "Archives" section of the classic computer web page you've set up? http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html) and some folks with scanners who can get things into HTML format (and others? .doc? .pdf?) and upload. comments on this proposal? are there already similar archives out there? - (i know of some Commodore ones), if so we should point to them. I'm not aware of any one location to go to find classic computer documentation, and judging from the traffic on this list it's sorely needed. - glenn +=========================================================+ | Glenn F. Roberts, Falls Church, VA | Comments are my own and not the opinion of my employer | groberts(a)mitre.org

28 years, 10 months

Apple II bits (North-West UK)

by jonathan＠holly.ninja.ml.org

Hi! I have a small collection of Apple II bits that I'd like to get rid of. From memory, I have 3 cases (2 with keyboards inside, and one with a motherboard as well), one original cardboard box (with a lovely picture of somebody's hand pointing at the machine!), and 3 or 4 (non-original :-) cardboard boxes full of hardware and software. The hardware mainly consists of unidentified expansion cards and cables, from what I remember. If anybody who is vaguely local to Manchester, UK, wants any of this, they're welcome to it - I am by no means an Apple expert, and this stuff is just taking up space. In most cases I've not even powered it up - it was rescued from the Robotics lab at my old school, when they decided they would throw it all away! I will happily go down and look through the boxes if anybody wants me to have a go at identifying the bits contained therein. Let me know if you are vaguely interested! ___ _ _ ___ _ _| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)

28 years, 10 months

Some more finds

by george.lin＠documentum.com

I have begun to open up the boxes that I got this Saturday and found some more interesting stuff. Boy, this is like Christmas and only better (People don't send me junk as Christmas presents). There is a mint-condition Epson HX-20 stashed in the bottom of a box. It comes complete with the hard case, PS, serial cable, and a set of manuals. The system works but it seems that the battery won't hold a charge. I will probably need to swap out the internal NiCads before it can be a real portable. I found another handheld device named "Trans Term." It's about the size of a HP-71 but thicker. It has a membrane QWERTY keyboard. The LCD can probably display only a few lines at most. It has a DB25 port (probably for a modem) and a power-in jack. There is no other identification or marking. I have not tried to power it up since I don't have the PS. Does anyone know something about it? For many years, I thought Microsoft released Flight Simulator as their only game. I was wrong. I found a game that Microsoft released for TRS-80 Level 1 BASIC named Microsoft Olympic Decathlon. The game is on tape. The manual is copyright 1980. It has the old Microsoft logo on it. George -- ______________________________ ______________________________ / /\ / /\ / George Lin _/ /\ / Opinions expressed in this _/ /\ / Antique Computer Collector / \/ / message do not necessarily / \/ / http://museum.home.ml.org /\ / reflect my employer's. /\ /_____________________________/ / /_____________________________/ / \_____________________________\/ \_____________________________\/ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ Apple IIe, IIc, Mac 512K, Atari 800, 800XL, 1040ST, Falcon030, VCS, 5200, ColecoVision VGS, Commodore 64, 64C, 128, plus/4, Compaq suitcase PC, Eagle II, Epson HX-20, KayPro II, 4, Nintendo NES, Osborne Executive, TI 99/4A, Timex Sinclair 1000, 1500, TriGem SLT-100, TRS-80 Model I, III, 100, Color Computer 2.

28 years, 10 months

capturing legacy documentation

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Agreed... I have a scanner w/OCR and I'm perfectly willing to scan critical pages such as DIP switch/jumper settings, etc. but 500 pages of general usage instructions is a bit much. Kai > ---------- > From: Mr. Self Destruct[SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 10:44 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: capturing legacy documentation > > > I would agree with this as well, but it WILL be hard to find someone > who > has the space/time to scan a 500+ page manual... > > Les > >

28 years, 10 months

3B1 free to good home (fwd)

by pcoad＠crl.com

Found this in comp.sys.3b1. This is a nice machine, and the price is right if you are in the Los Angeles area. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AT&T UNIX PC (3B1) 1MB RAM 40MB Hard drive Manuals OS, GNU development tools Good condition. Free to good home. You pick up (Los Angeles area) or pay for shipping. Send e-mail to jim(a)lutefisk.jetcafe.org. Jim -- Jim Larson jim(a)lutefisk.jetcafe.org -- end of forwarded message --

28 years, 10 months

Trackstar 128 (RE: Name those cards game)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| Yes, sir! That's the card. If you'd like more info, I *think* these are | detailed in my 1989 Tandy Computer Catalog I have at home... Yep! Page 25, "Now you can run Apple IIc educational and game software on your Tandy 1000...with the TRACKSTAR 128 adapter. Imagine having the best of both worlds in one computer...Supports the use of Apple joysticks or game port devices such as Muppet Learning Keys. [???]" $399.95 Kai

28 years, 10 months

Current want list

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Here is a current want-list in case anyone happens aross any of it or has any of the stuff still stashed away and would like to part with it: 1) Mini-expander for Mattel Aquarius, as well as the data cable for the datasette and any software. 2) Commodore 1531 datasette drive for the C-16 or Plus/4 3) Speech Editor cartridge for the TI-99/4a 4) floppy controller, with or without drive, for a CoCo-3. If anyone knows the pinouts for the data cable for the Aquarius datasette, that'd also be a huge help. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

28 years, 10 months

Epson HX20 Manuals...

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

OK, lately, I have been placed in a sort of dilemna... Since my post on a IIe that I had aquired (where I mentioned also getting HX20 manuals and tapes) I have literally been deluged with e-mails/posts >from people asking for MY MANUALS ;) I contacted my aunt (the donater of said items) and learned that she still had the HX20 lying in the basement. ("You want THAT one too?") Since I now have a use for these manuals, here is my best solution to all you manual-less HX owners out there. For the greater good of the horribly addicted old and crappy computer collectors, I will grudgingly go to my nearest copying center and make copies (bound if desired) of my HX manuals available to you for cost. I know this is not the best/cheapest solution but I am trying not to play favorites here; this way everyone can be happy (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) and I can keep my manuals :) Anyone who is interested, feel free to contact me. A NOTE!!! Each manual (there are 2, parts 1 and 2 of course) weighs in at about 250+ pages each so that is something you might want to consider before agreeing to a copy; please don't waste my time, or yours... LeS more(a)crazy.rutgers.edu

28 years, 10 months

Great weekend for old computers!

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, a bunch of people on this list said: >First off, I got two Apple ///+ machines in a thrift store!... yadda, yadda, yadda... [[ Editor's Note: I put this in the beginning so people wouldn't read the first half of the posting and flame the HEdoublehockeysticks out of me... Please read this with the tounge-in-cheek, winkie's throughout attitude with which it was written... tho unforch, it's sadly true....... ;-) ]] You people make me sick! Mr. I got 42 classic systems from one guy this, and Ms. I saw 18 fully loaded computers at the thrift shop that!!! I've had it up to here (imagine a hand held up above the head) with you weasels! Do any of you send your good fortune / good luck my way? NooOOooOOooOOoo! All I've seen the last three weekends of garage saleing is this: A non-functional Atari 5200 game system and 5 games for $5 USD. System worked but neither controller did... until a quick visit with Intern Victorinox to clean the connections... A follow-up visit with Dr. Dremel is in the works, but I've not had time. Altho, the system did come with the trackball controller, and as the SN# of the controller is 000786, I'm wondering if this item is relatively rare... My 7-year-old loves it (as does Dad...) and I feel it will stay in my collection for some time to come... Back to my rant, I finally got up the nerve/time to go visit the Salvation Army Thrift store on my lunch hour (the only T.S. in my town, AFAIK) and guess what the sum total of computer-stuffs I saw there: an HP (I think... no markings) LaserJet drum/toner cartridge. With no price, so they prolly wanted $8million 'cause they didn't know what it was. And I'm sure it wouldn't fit in my HPLJ5L (which BTW I paid full price for 'cause it was the first non-business-owned 5L in town). So, for all you "I get 77 like-new classic systems for a penny every weekend" I have but one thing to say: :-PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP At least the 3rd weekend in June, we'll be travelling 250 miles closer to civilization, and may be able to find some interesting buys there. I'll keep you posted. Also, see my next post. I think almost *everyone* will be happy with me when you read it. See ya, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

28 years, 10 months

Wanted: Amiga 500 internal floppy

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

This is a bit new for most of this group, but anyone have an internal floppy drive for an Amiga 500? And/or a dead Amiga 500 from which a floppy drive can be scavenged? thanks Kai

28 years, 10 months

Some more finds

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| From: George Lin[SMTP:george.lin@documentum.com] | For many years, I thought Microsoft released Flight Simulator as their only | game. I was wrong. I found a game that Microsoft released for TRS-80 | Level 1 BASIC named Microsoft Olympic Decathlon. The game is on tape. | The manual is copyright 1980. It has the old Microsoft logo on it. Don't forget Microsoft Adventure, circa 1979, which was coded by Gordon "HPFS" Letwin himself. I still have the poster. Kai

28 years, 10 months

Eproms... you want 'em, he's got 'em!

by idavis＠comland.com

At 02:23 PM 6/2/97 -0400, Roger Merchberger wrote: >Mel Howard >M. C. Howard Electronics, Inc. >www.mchoward.com >E-mail: mchoward(a)prismnet.com >1-800-490-6896 >512-837-2525 >FAX512-837-3246 >I would recommend doing business with him, and I would be interested to >learn what other "artifacts" he has available... as you don't find many >folks with 1702's in stock, it would seem. > >Anyway, I hope this gets a few more classic machines working again... > >Thanks, >"Merch" >-- >Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, >Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should >zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice. > I went to the web page, and signed the guestbook. As a total coincidence, I got directions to the place. As it turns out, it is about 2 blocks from where I work. I will go visit the place, and see if he has any kind of "list of stuff", specifically old stuff. After I go visit, I will post a message and let you know what he's got that might be of interest. We know he has eproms, but I'll head over there and see what kind of supply he has. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

28 years, 10 months

another weekend tale: northstar, hp, cadr 6 & 7, et al

by frank＠5points.com

This is my first posting to the list. Reading about everyone else's exploits saving old systems, I have to add what I got myself into this past weekend. After responding to a usenet posting about an old computer, I discovered that the poster (who turned out to be a fellow MIT alum three states away, a fact at least tangentially relevant to some of what follows) was about to toss into the local landfill some old stuff he had stored in his basement. A nice guy, he had offered this stuff to everyone he knew, but (incredible as it may seem to this list) he found no takers. Some scheduled home reconstruction required he have the basement empty by June 1. I volunteered to drive the 3 hours one way and pick it up. So, for nothing but my time and the cost of gas, here's what I saved: 1) A Northstar Horizon. Nice condition. With 64k memory and compupro z80 boards. Plus system software (cpm and northstar dos), hard sector 5.25 floppies, and a cardboard box full of docs, including the system manuals, misc s-100 books, and even the documentation for Microsoft's Fortran-80 in its original funky rust colored vinyl binder. If anyone has any s-100 boards they can spare, and would be willing to sell, that could help expand this system beyond the cpu-memory-floppy controller basics it has now, I'd love to hear from them. 2) Two HP-86B's, with cp/m, modem et al cartridges, software for waveform and circuit analysis, plus another box full of docs. Unfortunately, no original external disk drives, so here's another thing I'm looking for, if anyone has them to spare. 3) TRS-80 Model II disk drive system. Has three 8" drives in a single enclosure. Haven't checked it out yet to see if it works. 4) The guts from both the CADR 6 and CADR 7 MIT Lisp Machines from the late '70s. These were the basis for the machines later from Symbolics. Actually, my new found friend decided to keep the steel racks for an as yet to be determined project <G>. This may have been just as well because I had no room to haul the two 6 foot tall cases back to my house. So I had to leave them behind, power supplies still attached. But I got all the internal boards, fans, cables et al from the lisp machines, including the two 5 foot tall back planes and a couple dozen boards measuring about 12" x 18" each. I'm going to try to get the cases too, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. The machines weren't running at the time he got them from someone at MIT. Steel racks or not, I may have just acquired myself a lifelong mission to search for someone who can make these work, since I'm out of my league here. Since this is a list devoted to classic computers, I don't need to go into details about the couple of 386's, monitors, and one or two hardware mutants (would you believe a Tandy-DEC hybrid?) that also got tossed into my Toyota. Altogether an interesting bunch of stuff. Frank Frank Peseckis frank(a)5points.com http://www.5points.com/

28 years, 10 months

Switch settings for Seattle Computer Products RAM card?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Anybody have the switch settings for the Seattle Computer Products 16K Plus (SCP-16K) S-100 bus RAM card? thanks! Kai

28 years, 10 months

Great weekend for old computers!

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I had a lot of great accomplishments this weekend on the classic computer front! First off, I got two Apple ///+ machines in a thrift store! Anyone have a copy of SOS for these suckers? Regarding my problems with the Apple II+ booting, I found another II+ for $20 and figured it would be easier to replace the whole system unit rather than the RAM (24 x $0.79 for 4116's) at that price. It works! So it wasn't the drives or controller cards causing the problem. I received my two North Star Horizons via UPS (a trade for a couple of TRS-80 Mod 100's and a C128), along with 50-60 diskettes and documentation. Got one of them up and running late last night, but need to find some RAM card docs (see separate mail on that). A friend at work gave me an Amiga 500, I set that up this weekend and played around a bit, that's a fun machine. Kai

28 years, 10 months

Tiger Learning Computer

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

And now, in the "the more things change, the more they stay the same" category, By now most of you have probably heard of the Tiger Learning Computer. It's an apple 2E clone that plugs into your tv and has rom carts for its programs. Let's see. Color, plugs into a tv, can be cartrige driven, less than 200 bucks US. *sigh* I think Commodore died too soon. The 64 was all this and more. Now if I could just find one of the little beasties... (the TLC, not the C=64 - it wouldn't be the same as the one that was MINE.) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

28 years, 10 months

A question...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

I've been given a challenge... and need some help.... Question: Which 80's home computer had an A-Z keyboard layout, and not QWERTY -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

28 years, 10 months

free stuff

by dastar＠crl.com

Hope someone can take advantage of some of this: ---#1--- I would like to see my Apple II+ system go to someone who would appreciate it. II+, 64K RAM, keyboard shift mod, 300 baud modem, 1 floppy drive, Taxan amber monochrome monitor, UCSD Pascal, various game software, Softline and SoftTalk magazines. Location: Ventura County, CA Merleen Gholdston -- ---#2--- A friend of mine forwarded this to me, unfortunately I have no cash. :( ------------------------------------------------------------------- * Alan Cruikshank * * HYPERWARE CONSULTING * * e-mail: <cshank(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> * * http://freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~cshank * ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** This special offer is from: David M. Dantowitz, <david(a)dantowitz.com> If anyone wants a bunch of Apple II computers for Free (shipping from New Jersey) let me know. There's a bunch of II, IIc, and IIe computers, mono chrome and color monitors, extra drives, cables, printer boards, software and other stuff. They're about to be dumped into a dumpster, so if anyone has a desire for the machines and grade school software, let me know. ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ---#3--- I have about 30-35 servicable Apple IIes that need a home. My school district no longer needs them and I need to get rid of them quickly. If you are interested in more infomation email me or call me at 414-788-7600. John Bestul, Little Chute Area School District. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 10 months

stuff to pass along

by dastar＠crl.com

Auction Web is a crappy place to get old computer junk from, but there is a guy auctioning off an HP9000/300 and another guy with a Radio Shack Model 1 and Model 4 (TRS-80 I believe). The 9000 is going for (I forget how much) but the TRS-80s are at $26 but nobody has bid yet (the guy started it at $26 which is too much). If it doesn't sell someone can go in and make the guy an offer after the auction is over. You can get to auction web by going to http://www.ebay.com/aw Once you're there, search on item pzp53335 for the HP9000/300 and item zyl71421 for the TRS-80s. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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