I'f I remember correctly there was a "Keypad" that allowed you to enter
BASIC code and a BASIC language cartridge. Seems I found the cartridge at
a garage sale and used to have one, but could never find a working keypad.
I have now abandoned the 2600 years ago in an attempt to get rid of some
the toys I never "play" with anymore. I find myself re-buying many of the
things i've sold. So my new rule is , unless I have two, I sell nothing.
Bill
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> From: Andy Brobston <BROBSTONA(a)wartburg.edu>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Introduction
> Date: Sunday, June 08, 1997 9:03 PM
>
> >My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved
> >it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life,
> >but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance
> >the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it
> >(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the
expansion
> >module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge).
>
> I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander
> with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of
> Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a
> gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular
> tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing
> programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long
> "Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM
> statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming
> experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the
> branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to
> work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at
> age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I
> had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up
> fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing
> boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's
> island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one
> had anything left.
>
> I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a
> long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't
> know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me
> a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of
> my own (I was only between about six and eight).
>
> In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly
> because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game
> machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could
> get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home,
> too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being
> really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as
> paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I
> think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken
> about all these titles...)
>
> >Ahhhh, I miss those days.
>
> I hear ya!
> --
> Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
> http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
> My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
> as a whole.
> Yes, I've since seen the guts of a TI-99/4A. I ignored it for many years
> since the time I first played with a TI-99/4 at the computer store in Las
> Vegas, wrote a BASIC loop to count to a hundred and got there first
> counting out loud. I've been shown since that the machine was reasonably
> fast, as long as you avoided BASIC, but that was the only tool at the
Basic was slow. But since I'd had the technico board for a few years before
the TI99 I'd been into assembler. The TI9900 cpu is a bit slow as it was
very memory intensive (registers AKA workspace was an allocated block of
ram). IT was a real computer archetecture compared to the 8080. When
compared to z80 at 2.5mhz or faster it was slower. But that was the spped
they could get out of silicon and the ti99 tried to cost reduce it by
narrowing the bus slowing it further. Still in many other ways it was a
more sophisticated cpu with memory banking when that was rarely heard of.
Allison
I was watching this program on cable called the Computer Bowl or
something hosted by Ziff-Davis publishing where they had two teams of
nerds answering computer and computer industry related questions. One of
the questions was:
What was the serial number on the first Apple ][ computer?
Answer tomorrow.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
I'm fairly new to the list, so I'd like to introduce myself (and my
computers).
I am typing this message right now on an Apple IIGS. I've worked
with most of the older Apple II series computers also. I still
actively use my Apple IIGS for nearly every task that most people
think requires a "new" computer.
My first computer, on which I learned a *lot* about programming, was
the Mattel Aquarius, which I still own. I've been looking off and on
for information about it. The FAQ is nice, but I know of at least one
possible inaccuracy: the "Chess" game was released, I'm reasonably
sure, because I have it. The computer's not too bad of a player,
either, if I remember (it's been *years* since I've used the machine -
I'm living at college right now, and the Aquarius is at home).
I know now that a lot of people didn't like the Aquarius. I thought it
was a really neat machine. I probably learned more from it that from
any other single learning tool I've ever had, with the *possible*
exception of my IIGS.
I'm looking forward to hearing about anyone else's experiences with
the Aquarius (or even the IIGS, though info about that is still
plentiful on comp.sys.apple2).
--
Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
as a whole.
At 08:53 AM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>One of the things on my wish list is a digital camera so I can easily
>digitize photos of stuff like this.
I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
see it, the pros/cons are:
DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
- Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
no hard copy of images (except printer output)
Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
- Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
from several views
- Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> There are also 'classic' CCD cameras. There was a thing made by
> 'Datacopy' that had a linear CCD that was mechanically scanned
> across the frame (motor + leadscrew). There was certainly a PERQ
> interface for this (made by GHS/Audre' in Canada), and I guess
> others as well.
>
> These solutions sound a lot more fun than a modern PC-based system.
Yes :-)
I remember the PCWs we used to have at school. They had small scanning
devices that replaced the print head on the printer. The computer
would make the printer scan the entire sheet of paper, line by line,
and in this way it built up the image...
Not the fastest of scanners, but fun to watch it go!
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Hello,
I'm Allison and I've been invloved with microcomputer since the introduction
of the MCS8 (8008) and computers in general since the PDP-8.
On site I have... they are all operational:
DEC made:
VT180 (cpm/zcpr)
PDP-11/23 (RT-11 os)
PDP-11/23+ (RT-11 os)
PDP11/73 (RSTS or RT-11 os)
PDT-11/130 (RT-11)
MicroVAX2000 (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd)
MicrovaxII/gps (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd)
CPM and S100 systems:
Northstar* s100 z80 (CP/M/zcpr, 40 meg hard disk)
S100 (vector chasis) computime z80 and misc s100 cards (cpm/zcpr)
SB180 (CPM2.2/zcpr 3.5" floppies and 20meg hard disk)
Ampro Little board (CP/m/ZCPR 3.5" floppies and 42meg hard disk)
Explorer85 8085 (NS*dos cpm1.4)
Epson PX8 geneva with 120k ramdisk and 64k ramdisk/300baud modem wedges
(runs cpm from rom)
Kaypro 4/84 (turborom and CPM)
MITS Altair 8800 (I built this one in late 74, one of the early units)
Misc Single board computers (demo boards)
Intersil 6960 mdemo board, 6100 chip 12bit PDP-8 on a chip
National Semi ISP8a500 low cost 8 bit cpu.
Technico Inc board using texas instruments TI9900 chip 16 bit
(also have a TI99/4A with w/expansion box and software)
Motorola 6800D2 board
National Semi Nibblebasic chip (CPU with rom basic on a chip)
Original cosmac elf. RCA1802
IMSI IMP48 8035 cpu
NEC TK80 8080 demo board.
PCs
Leading edge model D 8088 (dos)
(several other PCs far too new (less than 10 years).
Plus parts (8080s, 8085, 8088, peripheral chips, rams...)
CPU chips 8080, 8085, 8086, 8088, 80188, 80186, 808286, z80s,
6800s, 6502, 1802, 6100, 6120(pdp8), 8748, 8035,
8749, 8039, 8751, 8031, T11chip (pdp11 on a chip),
NECd78pg11, NEC d7800
Allison
In the interests of getting an old DEC PDP-11 running, I've got an STC
9-track tape drive here, a model 2921. This is, apparently, one of the rare
few that StorageTek (aka, STC/Telex) manufactured with a Pertec interface
vs. their own.
Based on conversations with a company that still maintains these old
beasts, it appears that the CPU card has gone bad. I'd like to at least try
and confirm this by swapping said card with a known-good one.
So... anyone own a 2921 that they don't mind it being used as a guinea
pig? ;-)
Thanks in advance.
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(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
At 08:47 PM 5/21/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
>And of course, grab hold of every spare chip available off of donor machines.
>
>William Donzelli
>william(a)ans.net
>
I have found what seems to be a decent supply of eproms. I was looking at
an old 2400 baud fax modem for my pc, and noticed that it had what looked
like an eprom on it. I pulled the chip and peeled off the label, and it was
a 27256 eprom. I also bought a 2400 baud modem at a thrift store for $2.00
and it had a 27128 eprom in it. This was cheaper than buying the eprom by
itself. I paid $3.00 for a 2764, and didn't even price a 27128. I am going
to start picking up all of the old cheap, almost worthless modems and
grabbing the eproms out of them. You can probably pick up the modem for
less than the price of the eprom that it holds. If anyone else knows of a
cheap source of eproms or other chips, share it with us.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
> > The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having onl
> > z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16
>
> Does this mean it would work in place of any 8080 CPU? Any idea what
> the 8 pin header on the component side of the board was used for? This
> is interesting since these past comments are the first I have heard
> about the module!
No. first it was not an 8080 replacement. Though it may have subbed for
8085 as they were very similar. Two the system had to be configured to run
8088 code(wich is not 8080 or z80 compatable.
I had done this to an 8085 system as the signals from the 8088 are the 8085
are very close.
The extra plug was likely the remaining 4 address lines (16 bit vs 20 bit
addressing).
If I had one I could trace it out and regenerate the schematic.
Allison
In a message dated 97-06-08 03:18:29 EDT, you write:
<< The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I
remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, >>
no. the z-80 is a 40-pin package. i got bunches.
Kelly
> > This info was obtained second hand from a guy I bought a bunch of
> > SCP stuff from. Apparently a one-time friend of his work for them.
> > Thus - this could be wrong. SCP made at least six models of computer
> > the first being Z80 machines which ran CP/M, the next few being 8086
> > based which ran CPM-86 or SCP-DOS (which I'm pretty sure is MS-DOS
> > 1.0 or the immediate prdecessor purchased by MS). The last were 8088
>
> I never knew they called it SCP-DOS. All I ever heard it called was
> "QDOS" -- Quick & Dirty Operating System, basically a crude CP/M clone.
> --
> Ward Griffiths
> "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within
> the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe
>
Hi,
New here but here goes...
The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having only
z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16bit
apps.
qdos was not a clone it was and outright disassembly of CP/M80 v1.4 and
reassembly to 8086/8.
Allison
I have available several PC100B Memory Extension cards for the Rainbow
for giveaway, or for trade if you have something that interests me.
At the moment, the cards are unpopulated, but you can generally find
256Kbit chips to fill the board for about a $1 junk PC card. (A fully
populated board has at most 3 banks of 9 256Kbit chips for a total of
768K and a system total of 896K.) I can provide a copy of the memory
configuration pamphlet.
I will give preference to anyone who has something to trade, but feel
free to ask even if you don't. If you have something to trade I will
even go out and find the $1 junk board and populate the card!
Here's what I am looking for:
1) BCC17 cable for use with a VT241 color monitor
2) Documentation for Rainbow Concurrent CP/M-86, especially programming
references.
3) Venix/Rainbow software and documentation.
Dave Jenner
djenner(a)halcyon.com
I was checking the Polymorphic Systems computers I have against
the "The Big List" and found an 8824. It is a partial chassis but
looks similar to the others except it is designed for 8" drives.
Since it is not complete, I'll have to check in the Engineering
stuff to see if there is a description of it. I also found a
chassis model 88DS. It doesn't match with the number in "The Big
List" so I'll check further into that.
Regarding the others, from the "System 88 User's Manual",
copyright 1979.
1.1 SYSTEM 88 MODELS
The System 88 product line consists of the System 8813,
available with up to 3 mini-floppy drives; the System 8810
with one mini-floppy drive, and the 88/MS add-on with 2 large
floppy drives.
The 8813 and 8810 models are available with optional
double-sided, double density, mini-floppy disk drives. The
88/MS, an add-on storage for the 8813, is available with either
double or single-sided, double density large floppy disk
drives.
Hello,
I have been doing some image transfer in the last few months. I bought a Color
QuickCam for about $150. The resolution isn't that great but it is easy to use. I
also bought a scanner last month through Onsale for $139 + $20 shipping. It came
with Photoshop LE which I could sell (I already have Photoshop) for $30. Anyway
that brings the cost for a color flatbed (300 x 600) scanner down to $129. It
will scan photos with incredible resolution. Photo developing is $6-$10 per roll
though.
I've never used the camcorder method but I can't imagine it'll be any better than
the QuickCam. I did buy a TV card for the PC (I'm still putting together) for $65
a while back. I think it has screen/image capture software and video inputs. If
you already have a videocamera that would be your cheapest alternative. Besides,
then you can watch Gilligans Island on your computer!
> I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
> Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
> photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
> see it, the pros/cons are:
>
> DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
> no hard copy of images (except printer output)
>
> Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
>
> Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
> from several views
> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
>
> So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
> other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
> vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
> put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
> video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
On 6 Jun 97 at 22:26, Marvin wrote:
> Ah so, that one went right over my head, sorry about that one :). As
> far as systems I don't have, there are a LOT I am still looking for. To
> name just a few, the Aim 64, Kim, SWTP 6800 computer, Acorns (I am not
> familar with them,) and quite a few others with the main interest in the
> 70's computers. I am really impressed with "The Big List of Classic
> Computers" and it has made me much more aware of how small the
> collection really is compared to what was produced.
I have an Acorn Electron going spare, if anybody wants it. It's a
"Plus 3", I've been told - it's the standard Electron, but with an
extra expansion module added on, containing a 3.5" floppy disk drive,
some ports, and who knows what else...!
It's in Manchester, UK.
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Hi there,
Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote :
> Another is a a neat portable (probably
> non-working) with nothing but the word "Chisholm" on it. It looks like
> a prototype judging by the number of mods to the circuit board. Any
> info would be much appreciated.
You are right in thinking it's a protoype.
I used to work for Gavilan Computers back in the '80s and recall us
using Chisholm as our design house. If you can describe the unit, or
better yet post a picture, I can perhaps identify it as a Gavilan.
Regards,
Hans B Pufal
I have an extra Trs-80 model 4 (64k) with 2 -floppies, Works FIne, make me
a trade offer!
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> From: Cord Coslor <coslor(a)pscosf.peru.edu>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: TRS-80 - buy,sell, and trade
> Date: Friday, June 06, 1997 12:02 PM
>
> Howdy folks:
>
> I am wondering if anyone out there on this listserve has any Radio Shack
> TRS-80 they'd like to give up... either for sale or trade. I collect a
lot
> of different things and have Apple, Commodore, Texas Instruments, Colour
> Genie, MSX, Vectrex, etc., etc... but, my true life-long love has been
the
> TRS-80 Model 1,3,4 line... and now the CoCo line of computers.
>
> I am especially looking for any old TRS-80 related magazines: especially
> 80-Micro, 80-US Journal, and TRS-80 Microcomputer News.
>
> I have been archiving software for all these machines, and especially the
> TRS-80s for about 10 years now. I do have a huge 65 page catalog of
> everything in my collection. If you'd like to see it just let me know and
> I'll ship it out. I do not have it in electronic form... only available
> through USPS.
>
> It contains all my classic computer hardware, as well as all my software
> in original disk, tape, cartridge, etc., forat, as well as already
> converted to run on modern PC emulators.
>
> If you would like to get the catalog even quicker, send me $3 to the
> address below. It actually costs me $3.24 to mail, and more to publish,
> but it sure would help me out.
>
> As far as the software that I have, I like to believe that I have
> virtually most things ever written for the TRS-80s, but I know there is a
> lot more out there. If you have some software of old disk, cassettes,
etc.
> please let me know. As always, I am enternaining expanding my hardware
> collection as well at all times. I currently have 7 TRS-80 Model 3, 2
> Model 1, 4 Model 4s, 3 Model 4ps, and several Commodore 64s, Texas
> Instruments, 1 Coco 1, 4 CoCo 2, and 1 CoCo 3.
>
> I just love collecting these things and would love to hear from others as
> to what you might have available to expand my collection... or just to
> hear what interesting things you have.
>
> Thanks a lot, and hope to hear from you soon!
>
> CORD COSLOR
>
>
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> || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308
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Help! My neighbor got a free computer, the Prolite from TI. Appears to be an early portable/luggable because it has a huge (at least 16" x 7" and 10lbs) battery pack, a 3.5 inch drive, a LCD display. What the heck is it? Does it run DOS and/or is it from the 80xx family?
Thanks in advance
Hello everyone, Glad to be here.
Im in Lawrence KS, an NT administrator for the Dept of Labor and have the
following machines.
Timex/Sinclair1500
"" 2050 Modem
Tandy Color/2
Trs80 Model 4, 128k
Trs80 Model 4, 64K
Apple ///
Profile HD
Apple //gs
100meg scsi drive
Apple//e
Apple//c
Apple][+
Apple Macintosh SE
Apple Macintosh Se/30
Atari 400
Atari 800XL
1050 FDD
Atari 1200Xl
1050 FDD
Commodore 64
1541 FDD (2)
IBM PC, [dual floppy}
Anything I can help with please let me know and visit my web page on my
home server. http:\\24.124.36.31
Bill G. Aka. TheDM
I've had a storage unit for years now (PETs take up wayyy too much
room in an apartment, not to mention YEARS of COMPUTE!, Commodore, Ahoy,
RUN, Etc.) The big pain about the storage unit is having to dig through
the layers of goodies to find what you are getting at. Or even worse
knowing you have a tidbit on some subject in you think one of X
magazines, and you would have to dig through issues and issues (not at
home) to find it.
I specialize in my collecting, Commodore 8-bits and just recently
Atari 8-Bits. I would have to move to even think of another brand. :/
Larry Anderson
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I have been shipping computers for a while now with no problem
whatsoever. I follow the guidelines already mentioned with a couple
twists:
Wrap the items in bubble wrap (best) or a plastic bag, anti-static is
best. This protects the surfaces and stops the styrofoam from being in
direct contact with the plastic on the machine. Keeps foam from getting
into the slots, etc. I also notice that the plastic in the cords
especially tend to bond with the foam after a while.
Popcorn in the bottom. Put the system in. Popcorn on sides and on top.
Allow for settling, compress it until it's firm. Seal it up.
If putting items on top of each other I'd put a piece of cardboard in
between along with a few inches of popcorn just in case things move.
This is for shipping. I've shipped lots of stuff packed in a single box
without a single casualty. Moving a short distance shouldn't be as much
of a big deal but if someone drops a box, you'll be glad you did it. I
didn't have any casualties when I moved last year either.
I get packing material from a couple sources. A camera shop here gets
about 5 big bags a month since all their stuff is fragile. A
manufacturer has a big cardboard recycling area where they dump boxes
and bubblewrap. If someone is near Mountain View, CA (near where I used
to live), I have a great source for tons of this stuff. Email me.
Greg
PS: I have an Apple IIc & IIe on Auctionweb that are going cheap so far.
The IIc is only at $3.25! Even cheap compared to you guy's standards.
Shipping is extra though (UPS). Auction ends tomorrow.
Apple IIC Computer (photo)
Current bid: $3.25
Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:48:02 PDT
http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=znb774144
Apple IIe Computer, Duo Drive, 64K (photo)
Current bid: $20.50
Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:54:32 PDT
http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=cjt6509
