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by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hey! I put an old 10 MB hard drive case on AuctionWeb last week. Nobody is bidding on it so if it doesn't sell, it's free. It's just a white case with a fan and power supply. A really nice guy wrote and offered the drive that goes in it for shipping only (see bottom of message). Auction ends tomorrow-hurry! Here's what you do, go to the auction link: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=dkq99203 Bid $1. If nobody outbids you, it's yours for shipping only. Just remind me if I don't recognize your email address. Shipping should be less than $5. You could do the whole thing for less than $10. Worth it? I dunno. ? By the way, there's an Imagewriter I that's only up to $3+shipping at: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpa201 ? And a cool like new thermal printer for laptops (circa 1984) at: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=yrk8174 ? And I have a few C-64's and 1541 drives that are dead. Free + shipping if anyone's interested. Oh and a Okimate 10 printer that's laying around too. *** The guy with the drive that goes in it is: > Subject: tandy hd case > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 21:03:20 PDT > From: "Roger LaPointe" <eldens(a)concentric.net> > To: gmast(a)oboe.aix.calpoly.edu > > > I've got a 10 meg hd (tandon) that came in one of the cases. > > if you can use it, you can have it for the actual ups costs. ($3 or $4 ???) > it just sits on the shelf, and I hated to throw it away (along with all the > Seagate ST-225's) > > thanx Roger > >

28 years, 9 months

Power cable for Cromemco

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi all, I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind of a bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" by 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly offset >from the other two pins. Any thoughts where I can get one of these? thanks Kai

28 years, 9 months

new stuff

by dastar＠crl.com

I couldn't resist going into a favorite thrift store today, and boy what a find I made. First there's the Tandy 1000EX. Cool, but definitely not as cool as the Burroughs adding machine! I have no idea what year this thing is from, but it's case is made of a steel frame with glass sides so you can see the mechanisms inside. I don't know how much it's worth, but I picked it up for $50. This thing is heavy (about 50-60lbs). I love it! I'm going to make it the centerpiece of my in-home museum (someday). Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 9 months

VideoText

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

A friend of mine had a TV set in 1986 that had VideoTex built-in. It was actually pretty cool as I recall. Kai

28 years, 9 months

TDP-100 (was: cocos and stuff)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:25 PM 6/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100 >was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio >Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone >else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind? They did sell a "VideoTex" terminal that sure looked like a coco. Sold it for use with CompuServe, (among others,) as I recall. Perhaps this is what you're thinking of? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

Contact List

by marvin＠rain.org

Hi Issac, thanks for volunteering to maintain the list! I think this is a wonderful idea and one that will help us all. Marvin Johnston marvin(a)rain.org (805) 6897-8881 Santa Barbara, CA Primary Interest: Early Microcomputers from the 70's and associated documentation.

28 years, 9 months

Power cable for Cromemco

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Found one! Vetco here in Bellevue had a box of 'em... at the usurious price of $9.50, but what can ya do? At least I picked up some interesting 8-bit ISA cards for $1-$4 apiece, namely: - Silicon Valley ADP50 (IDE drives in PCs!) - Kaypro NEC V20 accelerator/Z80 emulator card - Kraft dual joystick adapter - Ad Lib sound card Kai > ---------- > From: James Willing[SMTP:jimw@agora.rdrop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:48 PM > To: Kai Kaltenbach > Cc: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Power cable for Cromemco > > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > > I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind > of a > > bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" > by > > 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly > offset > > from the other two pins. > > > > Any thoughts where I can get one of these? > > Actually, not too odd at all. Don't know about currently (as I've not > looked for a while) but these used to be quite common on office > equipment. > > And... (if you did not see this coming) I think I have a spare or two > around... (gotta turn over *all* of those rocks!) > > Bad ASCII art warning! > > /-------------\ > | O O | > | O | > \-------------/ > > Looks something (nothing?) like this? eh? > > If you don't turn one up local, let me know and I'll try to find one > to > send along with the other stuff... > > -jim > --- > jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com > The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw > Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 >

28 years, 9 months

(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop >a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are >when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. >Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to >pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want An excellent idea! Sign me up! Hmm... what info? Name, location, collecting interests, etc? Uncle Roger San Francisco All computers, especially portables. <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> or <sinasohn(a)crl.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

(fwd) CP/M Hardware For Sale (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

One more...hope this doesn't get annoying. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have the following CP/M hardware for sale: ************************* K10 ****************************** Kaypro 10 v1.9E (1983?) Boots: KAYPRO 60K CP/M Version 2.2H Occasionally returns BDOS errors when writing to the hard drive. I suspect it needs to be replaced (but maybe a good low-level format would help?) Does not have system disks (I bought it "as-is" with system installed on the hard drive). I do, however, have a copy of of the Kaypro Technical manual (the real McCoy, used by the technicians...) and the padded carrying case. Will sell all three and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $70. ************************** K4 ****************************** Kaypro 4 (semi-cannabalized) System was plugged in when a lighting strike hit power lines System no longer sees the keyboard -- the keyboard is good and worked on another Kaypro. As I recall, the following subsystems are still good: keyboard, monitor, 2 half-height diskette drives, and most of the motherboard. (no pwr supply) Will sell and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $35. Send email to: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com If you're conveniently located in the Southeast Michigan area or Northwest Ohio (or willing to drive there), we can set up a local pickup and dispense with the hassle and expense of shipping. Thank you. From: David Venzke Compuserve: 72530,1626 Internet: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 9 months

(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I would be happy to help in this collection, I am in Lawrence KS, USA ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: (fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd) > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 1:23 PM > > Isaac Davis wrote: > > > > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: > > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > > > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop > > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are > > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. > > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to > > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want > > >> it. > > >> > > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > > > > > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to > > >formulate this list :) > > > > > > > > >Sam > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > > > > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the > > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has > > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage > > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) > > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, > > TX area. > > Isaac Davis > > idavis(a)comland.com > > indavis(a)juno.com > > OK, put me down for southern England (UK) > > enrico > -- > ================================================================ > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> > ================================================================ > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

28 years, 9 months

(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Isaac Davis wrote: > > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want > >> it. > >> > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > > > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to > >formulate this list :) > > > > > >Sam > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, > TX area. > Isaac Davis > idavis(a)comland.com > indavis(a)juno.com OK, put me down for southern England (UK) enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

28 years, 9 months

Printers

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I personally would like a printer for every machine in my system if one was made for it and it works. Sinclair1500, Atari, 400,800xl, 1200xl, C64, TandyColor/2 Tandy Model4, and almost every apple made. ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Printers > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:36 PM > > Along the lines of saving stuff, does anyone collect the old printers? > I have several including the SWTP 40 column printer, the usual > assortment of Tandy and CBM printers, a couple of DecWriters (LA36), an > early Centronics, a number of daisy wheel printers, and my newest > addition, an ASR 33. But I also run into quite a few (usually free) > that I don't have the room or inclination to store. I would guess that > most of the older printers will head for the dump with few people > caring, but then again ...

28 years, 9 months

4004

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I know where you can get a BioRythm, but not if you want to pull the chip out... Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:49 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: 4004 > > e.tedeschi wrote: > > > > Please have a look at my collection at: > > > > <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm> > > > > I just took a look ... VERY nice! How long has the museum been in > existence and how long have you been collecting? > > > I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does > anybody > > know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British > > computers for trade/swap. > > > > One of the early arcade "games", a unit called BioRhythm" used the > 4004 > as the processor. Wish I hadn't gotten rid of them all now! I don't > know if they were exported your way or not. >

28 years, 9 months

(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by bwit＠pobox.com

>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to >develop a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where >others are when things like this pop up so that we could have some local >options. Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be >able to pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone >who did want it. This seems like an excellent suggestion. Put me down for Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. USA. Regards, Bob

28 years, 9 months

cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of > > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schema > > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't reca > > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can fin > > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. > > It's probably a 6883 (SAM) app note, isn't it? I don't have the app note but I do have the data book and it has a partial of what the coco1 might have been. Allison

28 years, 9 months

4004

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:05 AM 6/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have >black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip >in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the If you're speaking of the venerable HP2645 terminal, I know it had a Z80 in it. (And some people did rig it up as a crude CP/M machine.) Dunno about the 8008 though... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

(fwd) CP/M Hardware For Sale (fwd)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:17 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >One more...hope this doesn't get annoying. Nope, just frustrating -- none of them are near me! 8^( --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by idavis＠comland.com

At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want >> it. >> >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to >formulate this list :) > > >Sam >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, TX area. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

28 years, 9 months

TI-99/4A Comments

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:59 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >> << EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >> > >It's hard to have holy wars like the old days when you now own all the >machines you used to make fun of. Actually, it's easier! You can argue with yourself! (Hint: don't do this on the bus; people look at you funny.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

Reminder: electronics/junk/computer sale June 14

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:31 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: > >This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that >on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale. Thanks for the reminder! I've missed the last one (or two?) and would have missed this one otherwise. >There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who >is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good As of right now, the only thing on my calendar for Saturday is Flag day (and I don't own a flag.) If I can keep that open, and convince my girlfriend and/or my dad they'd enjoy it, I'll be there. (hmmm... Add to Friday's to do list: Rob Bank) Let me know details... Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

CLASSICCMP digest 79

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> >Subject: C64 thingy >I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board >inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE. >it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the >motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it >had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My >guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what >was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas? Sounds like a keypad connector to me, I think it may be a Cardco keypad (there I think was an option to plug it into the joystick port and interface it via software. I have some other brand which uses a DIP connector (like old apple paddle/joysticks), unfortunately I do not have the 64 with the interface board though. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 9 months

cocos and stuff

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard. > I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok. > >Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible >(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? RS sold OS/9 for the color computer. I don't know what models are required to run it. >What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics? RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of it somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schematics that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recall whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find a set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 9 months

4004

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Please have a look at my collection at: <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm> I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does anybody know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British computers for trade/swap. Thanks enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

28 years, 9 months

cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

HI, In my non-op list of equipment I have three cocos apparently operational. They are of two different styles. The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard. I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok. The larger is TDP-100 personal color computer with chiclet keys. Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible (there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics? I have a xt class machine with an Intel Inboard386...(works too!) what's the odds of finding schemtics or expansion ram for it? The 1meg of ram is tight for somne stuff. Currently I use it as a 10x faster xt. Allison

28 years, 9 months

Scanner/Dig Cam/Camcorder?

by idavis＠comland.com

>>DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient >> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, >> no hard copy of images (except printer output) > >>Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too >> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time > >>Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image >> from several views >> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap > Well, I guess it's time to put my two cents in. I own a Kodak DC20 digital camera, and a handheld color scanner. The digital camera is the basic model, no frills. It holds 8 hi res pics, and 16 low res pics. As far as quality goes, it really depends on the lighting conditions and the distance that you are going to be shooting at. It can get some incredible pictures, but it does have it share of bad ones. As far as taking pictures of our computers, it is great for taking good desriptive pictures (here's my pdp 11...) If you wanted to take a picture of a circuit board and be able to make out the chip numbers and wiring, forget it. It has decent resolution, but nothing like a scanner and a 35mm photo, and the light has to be right with this camera, since there is no flash (yet). I usually save the pictures in jpeg format, and each hi-res picture is about 25-35k. Not too bad on the storage side. My handheld color scanner is absolutely great. Unfortunately, I am always wanting to scan something in 1" wider than the scanner, which makes it a real pain even with great picture editing software. I would really recommend a flatbed scanner, but you might as well grab another hard drive while you are at it. Those color hi-res pictures take up more space than it took to put a man on the moon. Also, as a side note, it takes about 55 seconds to warm up the bulb on the color scanner. It's not a major gripe, just an inconvenience. Bottom line: My suggestion is - If you are looking to take pictures of your collection (for personal or insurance reasons) and store them in a safe, and take a buch of cheap pictures of your kids, go with the digital camera. If you are looking to scan in boards and pieces of equipment, and are looking for extreme detail, I would go with the scanner. I find that having both is really convenient, and I can pretty much get the results that I am looking for and not be dissappointed with either. If I only owned one of them, I could definitely see times when I would not be happy with the results. As for the Camcorder products, those are next on my list. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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