In a message dated 97-06-18 00:54:51 EDT, bill(a)booster.bothell.washington.edu
(Bill Whitson) wrote:
<< - Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very
> collectible?
Yes. It was a legitimate alternative to the Apple II+ at a lower price. I
designed my first database on a 1000 and found it to be 100% compatible with
the II+ (it should have been since they copied the II+ roms) and very
reliable. I think that the Franklin line as well as the Laser series of
clones belongs in any Apple II collection.
Lou
At 12:22 PM 6/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone
>out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks!
Well, "IBM PC" helps date it, as does "dBase II". Has to be early-to-mid
80's. I would guess, off the top of my head, PCjr cartridges? Do I win the
prize?
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Count me in for $20 plus shipping! Ill be @ E3, so no responces for a
few days.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 12:34 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: AIM65
>
>
> Ok, here's the deal. Marvin & I are both in contact with a guy who
> says
> he has 14 AIM65 units. Hopefully you all have been paying attention
> and
> have read the messages describing what this is. Marvin & I are of
> course
> both interested in buying one, and we dicussed the possibility that
> others in the discussion would be interested as well. We feel that if
>
> enough of us get together and offer this guy a bulk buy-out, we can
> get a
> good price from him. Marvin & I are talking about $20 a piece as of
> now. If this is of interest to anyone, I can give you his e-mail
> address
> and you can ask specific questions, but make sure you mention you are
> a
> part of this one-shot buyout so that we get a good deal. I think
> first
> we should get a count of who is all interested and then approach the
> guy. He's in New Jersey, and I don't think shipping should be more
> than
> $5 per unit.
>
> His e-mail address is Mikeooo1(a)aol.com and he left his phone number
> for me:
> (201) 331-1313.
>
> Please reply if you are interested in going in together on this.
>
> Sam
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
> Writer, Jackass
>
I think I saw this go by once before on the group, but -
- How do you get an Apple /// to boot from the ProFile?
Also:
- Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very
collectible?
thanks
Kai
Sam,
I don't own any computers that use EBCDIC, but I use them every day at
work. EBCDIC - extended binary coded decimal interchange code is the
character set used on most (if not all) IBM mainframes and midrange
systems. (IBM S/390, S/36, S/38, AS/400 etc.) This set has its roots
in punched cards (and prior) and really makes more sense when viewed
>from that perspective vs. that of the way things are today. ASCII -
American National Standard Code for Information Interchange.
Back when I was in college, an instructor stated it this way:
(Speaking about the need for a uniform way to share info across machines.
"There are two ways to obtain a standard in the industry. The first is
to get a big commitee together and have all parties involved agree on
what it should be (ASCII). Or, be the largest company in the industry,
do it your own way and force everyone else to adopt your way of thinking.
Dan
-------------------
Sam Ismail wrote:
DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather
than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for
anyway)?
Just curious.
Sam
At 11:41 PM 6/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather
>than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)?
My HP3000 can write mag tapes in EBCDIC.
EBCDIC: Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code (From the Acronym
Database on the 'web.)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 11:57 PM 6/17/97 -0400, Les wrote:
>If someone has got a reasonably priced IMSAI in the Philly area to sell,
>then fine... but I just don't see it hapening any time soon...
hang in there. i actually saw an industrial type IMSAI chassis for sale at
the Frederick (MD) Hamfest last weekend - only a couple hours drive from
Philly so these things *do* exist on the east coast! i think he was asking
$50 or $60. i believe he left without selling it so it could reappear. it
wasn't complete but could have been a good starting point for an IMSAI
collector (it had several CPU boards and some other stuff). of course
without the front panel it's not as visually interesting as the original
IMSAI. btw: he said he has bought this as part of a bigger package that
included an original IMSAI and an Altair - both of which he fixed up and
later sold!
- glenn
1. What is an Aim65?
2. What is a good price to offer to buy/sell one?
Thanks!
Sam
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Another target of opportunity for claim or rescue!
-jim
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>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:15:56 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Steve Jones <sjones(a)knox.edu>
>X-Sender: sjones(a)knoxadm.admin.knet.edu
>To: jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
>Cc: Nancy Taflinger <ntafling(a)knox.knox.edu>
>Subject: Old computers
>X-Status:
>
>We have a PDP-11/44 and a VAX 750 that are now parked in a corner, along
>with a fair amount of documentation, system tapes. There are about 5
>RM02s, a tape drive, mux's, ...
>
>Also have a couple old DecMates.
>
>I would qualify them all as "free for the hauling", with the only concern
>being a need to wipe some of the data on the PDP. Any interest or know
>of anyone who might have?
>
>Steven A. Jones, Director
>Computer Center, K-80 E-mail: sjones(a)knox.edu
>Knox College Voice: (309) 341-7356
>Galesburg, Illinois 61401 Fax: (309) 341-7718
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jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
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At 07:22 PM 6/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
>A while back, I "saved" some cartridges from being tossed. The label
>says "Digital Controls, Learning Center, Multiplan (title varies
>depending on cartridge), Registerd Trademark of Microsoft Corporations,
>Copyright Digital Controls, Inc." The other titles I have are "Preview
>1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone
>out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks!
My first guess would have been an IBM PCjr because it has the only
cartridge version of Lotus I've ever heard of. But Wordstar was definitely
disk-based for the PCjr, in fact it had it's own version, Wordstarjr.
Microsoft Multiplan came on cartridge for the TI99/4A, but I've never heard
of the others being on cartridge format for that system.
What are the dimensions of the cartridges and how many pins? Do the labels
looks commercially viable, or could they be test/demo/proto labels?
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
At 11:39 PM 6/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On this site was mention of the STacy laptop, an Atari ST laptop
>(presumably). Anyone have or know anything about these? Sounds
>interesting, and I vaguely remember hearing about it years ago.
The STacy is, I guess, a laptop, but it's one of those where you need a good
sized lap. Still, a nice, compact machine, with built-in midi -- hence it's
popularity with touring musicians. I think it was the Arsenio Hall show
where the band leader had a STacy prominently displayed on stage (and
working).
If you're thinking of a true laptop, it's probably the ST Book, a notebook
like computer that was ST compatible. Never came out, though, AFAIK. I've
got a "Midi Magazine" (or something like that) that featured the ST Book on
the cover. Shame that it didn't make it out (would've even been better as a
Falcon-book) because it would have been one hell of a musician's tool.
(My ST's and Falcons are *not* in my collection because they're still (in
theory -- oh, if only I didn't have to work for a living) in use in my studio.)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
To use boot from a profile, you really can't you use a disk that boots the
profiler. It's not really booting from it, but it is. I don't really
understand it, just that the disk that came with my apple/// does it
----------
> From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Apple /// booting and Franklin question
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 6:35 PM
>
> I think I saw this go by once before on the group, but -
>
> - How do you get an Apple /// to boot from the ProFile?
>
> Also:
>
> - Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very
> collectible?
>
> thanks
>
> Kai
> Is that true that there is a lots of add ons for this PCjr? I would
> like to seperate the video to a proper video such as VGA card so it
> would not hog up the main memory and boost it to 640k. Finally is
> there a add on that allows me to plug a DMA chip in to speed up the
> floppy? It is nice compact computer! What I planning is to make this
> PCjr more of an real XT with SLOTS than a just a cheap
> vanilla-favored PCjr. Where's is good source to find these parts?
>
PC Enterprises has a PCjr catalogue that they sent me for some reason.
I used to get their Tandy parts catalogue. Assuming they're not
going out of business call 'em up at 800-922-7257.
They're on the east coast and keep banker's hours it seems.
Best to get them in the morning.
The catalogue I have is from '95 and is 111 pages thick with index.
I'll email you later with the items you asked about with descriptions
and prices.
Marc
--
>> ANIME SENSHI <<
Marc D. Williams
marcw(a)lightside.com
marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org
IRC Nick: Senshi Channel: #dos #IrcHelp
http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet Tools
Ok, here's a twist. A 'rescue' of computer parts rather than whole
machines? Anyone else think this might be worthwhile?
-jim
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:13:37 GMT
From: Tom Stepleton <ude.ltsuw.icstra%telpetss.REVERSE_TO_MAIL_ME(a)nac.no>
Newsgroups: comp.society.folklore
Subject: Apple Lisa parts -- Get 'em while you can...
I realize that this may not be of general interest. I apologize in
advance to those I might bore or annoy...
This is probably nothing to be excited about, but...
A friend has recently informed me that Sam Neulinger of New York's
DAFAX is sending some Apple Lisa parts in rather poor condition to
the recycler by afternoon (EST) tomorrow. AFAIK, they comprise mostly
of items like video boards, power supplies, and some Macintosh XL
hard disks, all in various states of disrepair but still good for
salvage or fixing-up. There are probably various other tarnished
gems as well.
If anyone would like to have these parts, I am sure that Mr. Neulinger
would just as soon sell them to a hobbyist as to a scrap dealer. Keep
in mind that it is probably not in his interest to sell these items
piecemeal -- any buyer would have to purchase these items bulk. Also
keep in mind that a buyer would not have to buy EVERYTHING.
So, it's up to anyone who is interested and has the cash. I have
neither the money nor the space to house these items. Whatever;
either they end up under a soldering iron or in a recycling bin.
DAFAX will still sell working Lisa parts, but will not maintain power
supplies any longer as it is not profitable for them.
DAFAX's number is (718)746-8220.
Thanks,
--Tom
TI-82:
:For(A,0,9):0>D:For(B,0,A):A nCr B>C:Text(6A,D,C)
:D+5(int log C+1)>D:End:End
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Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
any chance for a PC Jr? maybe a TI/99?
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> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Digital Controls Inc. Training Cartridges?
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:22 PM
>
> A while back, I "saved" some cartridges from being tossed. The label
> says "Digital Controls, Learning Center, Multiplan (title varies
> depending on cartridge), Registerd Trademark of Microsoft Corporations,
> Copyright Digital Controls, Inc." The other titles I have are "Preview
> 1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone
> out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks!
> In checking through the TRS-80 Model I computers, I noticed two
> different catalog numbers, 26-1001 and 26-1006. I also noticed that one
> of the 26-001 computer has a sticker saying "Note - This unit has the
> lower case modification kit installed (Cat. No. 26-1104.) Since most of
> these machines have been previously owned by early computer users,
> needless to say most have been modified in one way or another. Anyone
> know the differences between the different catalog numbers? Thanks.
I don't suppose one number is for Level I BASIC and the other is for
Level II BASIC?
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
A couple things:
First, if you are an Atari fan, or not, either way, go check out:
http://members.aol.com/cvendel/vaporware.html
An EXCELLENT page with lots of photos of unreleased Atari prototypes.
Great history. A great site.
On this site was mention of the STacy laptop, an Atari ST laptop
(presumably). Anyone have or know anything about these? Sounds
interesting, and I vaguely remember hearing about it years ago.
Also, the Aquarius prototype photos on:
http://www.webcom.com/~makingit/bluesky/aquarius.html#aquarius2
are startling! That would have been a most awesome computer! I'm biased
since I grew up on the Aquarius. But man, what a nice classic that
would've made.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Sunday AM, while waiting for Windows 95 to boot on my trusty
Hewitt-Rand 386-33, I found myself browsing through a copy of the June 1982
edition of Creative Computing.
Editorial content included an evaluation of the Osborne I, an
article on "Mass Storage Options" in which the writer encourages readers to
forsake audio cassettes and advance to the 5 1/4" floppy drives, or even
(gasp) one of the Winchester hard drives which will store five or even ten
megs of data! (An advertisement on page 189 quotes $3339.00 for five megs
capacity.)
On page 116 Osmo A. Wiio, professor of communications, deplores the
unreadability of computer documentation.
Ads offer floppies for $ 1.90, 48K of ram for your Atari for $
299.00, and on the inside rear cover a young looking William Shatner is
flogging the Vic 20. "Under $ 300.00, the best computer value in the world
today. The only computer you'll need for years to come."
Well, Win95 is up on the 386, got to go.
Cheers
Charlie Fox
Tigerdirect has 386-to-486 upgrade CPUs (for DX or SX) for $19.95
Kai
> ----------
> From: Mr. Self Destruct
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 10:20 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Good Old Days
>
> On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Charles E. Fox wrote:
>
> > Well, Win95 is up on the 386, got to go.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Charlie Fox
>
> OOOH, That's GOTTA hurt! You poor sadistic soul!
>
> Les
>
>
I have messed with a few apple/// drives, and yes, you can recalibrate them
the same way. Excessivly noisey drives in my experience though is not
always a bad floppy drive, but rather there is a C-clip retainer that keeps
the rotor spindle at the correct height. This C clip is on top of the
spindle just below the plastic disk that supports the bottom of the disk.
When this clip is missing the flywheel at the bottom of the drives falls
down about 1/4" and drags on the bottom of the case. If you don't see this
clip, you can remove the drive and sit it on it's side and it may boot. At
least then you know if the hunt for a compatable C clip is worth it.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Apple /// stuff (was: Re: This weekend's haul)
> Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 11:29 AM
>
> On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Doug Spence wrote:
>
> > I noticed that the cable that leads to the external floppy port has
been
> > badly crushed between the cast iron frame and the metal sheet that
holds
> > the motherboard, though. I'll have to remove it to see if any of the
> > wires have been broken. :/
>
> My internal floppy seems to be hosed. I can't boot any disks off of it.
> Some bgin to boot but then go to error, others invoke this horrendous
> recalibration that never ends. I assume the drive head is dirty and the
> speed needs calibrating. I wonder if I can calibrate this drive like one
> can the Disk ][?
>
> > I do need the system disks. I didn't get them with the machine. I
wish
> > there was some way to transfer them electronically, though... which is
why
> > I asked if there was a way of getting an Apple ][ to access a ///'s
disks.
> > I suppose the ///'s drive is double-sided, though.
>
> Doug, if you want I can e-mail NuFX (ShrinkIt) images to you. This would
> be the quickest way for you to get them. You'd need an Apple // running
> shrinkit of course. The disk format between the // and /// is identical.
>
>
> Sam
>
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> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer,
Jackass
At 09:28 PM 6/16/97 PST8PDT, you wrote:
>
>So when did the original Pong make its appearance.
>
>Marc
Atari's Pong the Coin-op in Nov '72
Atari's Home Pong Console in late '74
Other videogame milestones of note:
Higinbotham's Oscilloscope Tennis in Oct '58
Russell's PDP-1 Spacewar in '62
Baer's Cable TV game system in '68
Nutting's Computer Space Coin-op in '71
Magnovox's Odyssey Console in May '72
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
> I was running a 8086 system in 1980 that clearly blow the doors off a PC.
> It was 8086 not 8088 at 5.0mhz and 16bit wide memory using standard
> multibuss cards. By late 81 that machine was 8mhz, and 82 brought a copy of
> PC dos to it. Early MSdos could be configured like CP/M. The PC was slow,
> clunky, closed and expensive! By time the XT arrived still slow, clunky and
> expensive there are several S100 and other systems that were very fast
> 6/8/10 mhz 8088 or 8086 systems.
I've been taking a look at Caldera's OpenDOS (aka Novell DOS 7, aka
DR-DOS), and it still looks quite friendly to running on strange hardware.
Other than a few references to our friend the A20 hack sprinkled throughout
the non-BIOS (BIOS as in CBIOS or IBMBIO.SYS, not ROM BIOS) parts of a few
modules, I've not run across any glaring PCness in the system. At first glance,
it also looks like A20 stuff is set up by the BIOS initialization routine.
In short, it should still be possible to configure DR-DOS for non-PC hardware.
I can't speak for MS-DOS because sources aren't available...
Of course, you will get no sympathy from the folks on the OpenDOS mailing
lists if you talk about running DOS on non-PC hardware; they seem to be
young enough to have never encountered the wide variety of machines that
existed before the PC took over the world.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> Sunday AM, while waiting for Windows 95 to boot on my trusty
> Hewitt-Rand 386-33, I found myself browsing through a copy of the June 198
> edition of Creative Computing.
Creative computing was always about 2-3 years behind or worse.
> (gasp) one of the Winchester hard drives which will store five or even te
> megs of data! (An advertisement on page 189 quotes $3339.00 for five megs
nov/dec 1980 _s100 Microsystems_
MOrrow designs (thinker toys) DISCUS 26mb hard dive system_ $4995
(ithaca) Intersystems DPX-2a (z8002 16 bit cpu) basise machine $4795
Northstar* Horizon-2 (DD controller) z80 4 mhz 32k ram (assembled/tested)
$2699
Allison
Pong is not the first video game. Nolan Bushnell, who later founded
Atari, did Pong. Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more
sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and
Associates.
Computer Space was the first arcade video game.
Atari home Pong was the first home video game.
Magnavox Odyssey1 was the first home video game system.
Trust me, I own all of them.
Kai
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e.tedeschi [SMTP:e.tedeschi@ndirect.co.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 1997 9:20 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: PONG
>
> Doeas anybody have a photograph of "PONG" the first video game ever?
> Or
> where I can find one? I have never seen it and I don't know how it
> looks
> like so I will not be able to recognize it if I ever bump into one.
>
> Thanks
>
> enrico
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