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by dastar＠crl.com

Out of curiosity, anyone know how many IMSAIs were produced? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 9 months

Apple ][e software?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

You do need the system disks in order to make copies of disks. ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Apple ][e software? > Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 8:50 PM > > On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Cord Coslor wrote: > > > Greetings: > > > > I just picked up an Apple ][e, monitor, disk drives, the whole works... > > even a mouse! But, I am wondering if someone out there might be able to > > sell me a copy of the Disk Operating System disks and maybe one or two > > (more?...) game disks? > > > > Please get in touch with me at the below address, e-mail, or phoen number, > > if you might have something like that which I could use to get the system > > going. > > Cord, forget about the system disks. You don't actually need them. The > Apple was the kind of computer where you could use it with or without > disks, although having software made it more useful. Each disk for the > apple is self-contained and has whatever DOS it needs to run it. Your > main concern right now is to get software for it, whatever that may be - > games, utilities, productivity, etc. Find the apple users group near you > (if there is one) or go to comp.sys.apple where you will find a ton of > information on how and where to obtain apple software. Its not hard to > find, there were literally tens of thousands of titles published for the > Apple ][. If you've never had an Apple before, you want to go out and > start collecting ssome of the games released for it, as there are some > fun titles. But as far as system disks, if you want to round out your > collection, then I guess you would want an original copy just to say you > have them, but every Apple I ever got was second-hand, and I already had > software from the previous apple I was upgrading from, and having the > original system disks was a moot point, as there were so many other more > useful disks to have. > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 9 months

Apple ][e software?

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>> I'm wondering if there's a way to hack code to get it to copy without >> any System Master programs. > >Oh, sure. Just take a look at the description of the RWTS >(Read - write - track/sector) routines >in the Apple _DOS 3.3 Manual_. (You know, the one with the Disk ][ >and controller schematics.) You could probably come up with a >basic sector duplicator using a dozen lines of BASIC, sprinkled >liberally with PEEKs, POKEs, and CALLs. I could do it if I was at home, but I don't have all the manuals at college with me. So, I'm attempting to rely on memory (I'm pretty sure I've done something like this with RWTS before). I know a lot of times, instead of using the boring INIT command to format a new disk, I would use the RWTS version just for kicks. Too bad you really can't have as much fun with new computers. :) -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

28 years, 9 months

STacy Was: yo

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:51 AM 6/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >IIRC it was a 1040ST motherboard in a laptop case. They come up for >sale once in a while in the Atari ST news groups. It seems to me The last STacy I saw sold went for about $750 -- about a year ago. They still get close to that; they're still popular with musicians. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

AIM65

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 12:12 AM 6/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >> If they're shipped to the bay area, I've got lots of boxes and packing >Uh, but what of us here on the other coast (where the devices are to start >with)? (I'm in the same area code, actually). Damn, but I wish I was Oh, sure, keep 'em there before distributing them. *Don't* send 'em across the country before sending 'em back. Go ahead, be normal. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

Rockwell AIM 65 ad

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

28 years, 9 months

Here are the Tandy 600 specs

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Tandy 600 Introduced: October 28, 1985 CPU: 80C88 RAM: 32K expandable to 224K in 96K increments Display: Flip-up 80x16 LCD Storage: Internal 3.5" 360K floppy (storage only, not bootable) Ports: RS-232 and Centronics parallel Bus: Proprietary for external floppy or "other peripherals" One option ROM socket (accessible by removing Multiplan) that holds BASIC or other ROMs Power: AC adapter, and built-in NiCd batteries Modem: Internal 300 baud Operating System: Proprietary ROM Applications: Built-in System Manager, Word, Calendar, File, Telcom and Multiplan BASIC: Optional ROM cartridge Keyboard: 72-key Pricing: Base system $1599 BASIC ROM $129 96K RAM upgrade $399

28 years, 9 months

Digilog 1500

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> It seems every time I turn around, I find something else I either > haven't seen in a while, or don't know anything about it. In this case, > I picked up a brand new Digilog 1500 some number of years ago. It is > not on the "Big List" so does anyone know anything about this? Yeah, I know a little about Digilogs. Used to use one quite a bit; when I started working here, that was the CP/M machine of choice and we had a couple of them (the non-CP/M machine of choice were the Micro PDP-11s that DEC kept throwing at us). Someone had built a custom interface between one of them and a PC05 to punch paper tape to ship out to folks who did our wire-wrapping (the software to generate the paper tapes was either in FORTRAN on the PDP-11s or PL/I-80 on the Digilogs; shortly after I arrived we moved the FORTRAN version to the VAX-11/780 we had just installed (sigh; I was the only user of the 11/780 most of the time and I had a whole gigabyte of RM05s to play with; those were the days), so I never had to use the PL/I-80 version of the wirewrap software). We started picking up Televideo 802s and 803s about that time and migrated from the Digilog to them. No promises, but I _may_ have a CP/M boot disk for the thing and (depending on how recently my cow-orkers have cleaned their offices) I may be able to find a bit of technical info. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 9 months

Digilog 1500

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Hmm. One of my friends got a LOT of apple II stuff from a business that > went under. One of the things he got was an 8" CP/M disk. I'm gonna go > try to get my hands on it. (It said CP/M on it). It may be > destroyed/gone by now. This was a year or two ago, before I got > interested in old stuff... Any way to tell what system it's for without > being able to read it? You usually can't tell what system it's for even _with_ being able to read it. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 9 months

Atari XDM121 printer help

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

I just recieved an Atari XDM121 printer, and it appears to work fine, though is in need of a new ribbon. It is a daisy wheel printer, 80 column, and is set up to connect to the Atari 8bit I/O bus. It appears to have been produced in the mid to late 80's since the style of the case and buttons on the front are the same as those of the Atari ST line of computers, and not the earlier 8bit machines (ie. the case is grey and the 3 buttons on the front panel have diagonal vertical lines). My question is about a third connector on the back (the other two being the 8bit I/O bus connectors). This third connector is a modular connector, similar to a RJ-11 phone jack, and it has just two contacts in it. Any ideas on what this might be for? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amiga enthusiast and collector of early, classic microcomputers http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

28 years, 9 months

Good Emulators & floppies (was: C64 CP/M carts (was:...))

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:29 AM 6/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >"Evil Empire?" == Use the Farce, Duke! == First, if you have an Atari ST, >(and I think TOS 1.4 or above... getting my ST next weekend! Wheeeee! ;-) >it can read/write/format PC floppies. The atari ST could always (well, production models on, anyway) read/write PC floppies. Formatting, however, was initially a problem. It seems there's an unused field somewhere in the admin stuff on a pc floppy that Atari figured didn't matter. So they left it blank. But, for some reason, IBM machines needed some value in there. (I'm probably way oversimplifying, and making errors...) So floppies formatted on the atari worked fine on the atari, but if you wanted to use the floppy on both machines, you needed to format it on the PC (or use a third party formatter that fixed the problem.) Some later version of TOS (1.4?) fixed this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

'Orange Wall' FREE!

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Ok, got another freebie for the group. I have the infamous DEC 'Orange Wall' worth of docs on VMS 4.whatever, at least a couple of big boxes worth. As I don't anticipate running VMS (heck, I don't own a big VAX!) anytime soon, I would rather see these go to someone who needs them. If no one speaks up, I'll recycle the innards and use the binders. First one who wants to visit me in Kent, WA can have 'em! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 9 months

Salvation Army (was RE: IMSAI 8080 production count)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| In my experience, the "volunteers" at the Salvation Army filtered out | anything that even resembled computers so that they could sell it | themselves. If it comes in a box and has a detach keyboard (i.e. looks | like a PC) it never gets to the showroom floor. Trust me.... I *know* Well, I don't think they're selling them themselves... if they have a policy (perhaps nationally) like the western washington Salvation Army headquarters in downtown Seattle, they auction off pallets of donated computer equipment to the for-profit thrift organizations such as Value Village, Thriftko and Shop & Save. Unfortunately, the Seattle headquarters holds the auctions not monthly, not weekly, but DAILY, and at 8:30 AM !!! Kai

28 years, 9 months

Mark 8

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| ---------- | From: James Willing | Subject: Re: Mark 8 | | On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Marvin wrote: | | > I need another project :) and I was thinking about building the Mark 8 | > computer. Somewhere, I seem to recall that someone was having the board | > sets for this computer made up, does anyone out there know or remember | > who might be doing this? | | That would be me... If you get one of these up and running, I have a Scelbi book, "Space Wars for the 8008 Microprocessor" with full hex code listings... Kai

28 years, 9 months

AIM65

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 09:48 AM 6/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >negotiations for everyone. But I think it would be best if one person >did the negotiating and made the deal. It depends on what everyone I agree... We could have them shipped to one place and re-shipped from there; USPS should be around $3-5 if you're not in a hurry. (And I'm not worried about them becoming obsolete before I get mine...) If they're shipped to the bay area, I've got lots of boxes and packing materials I need to get rid of... (I'd volunteer to handle it, but I'm new to the mailing list, and if it were me, I would trust me yet.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

VIC stuff, ComputerSpace, and SuperPET update!

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com> Subject: Weekend Acquisitions III >...Get money. Go back to thrift. The VIC was still there. >Bought the box of stuff for $5. This included VIC-20 (still untested), >CN2 (my 3rd!), 3K, 8K, and 16K memory carts, super expander cart (with >manual), Forth Cart with box and manual, programmer's aid cart, machine >language monitor cart, 7 cart games, and a few cassette games. (think Homer Simpson Voice): Mmmmm Utilities! I have about 20 or so various Commodore datasettes, from a couple butchered Sanyo decks Commodore stuck in the first PETs to a clone one. Almost tempted to pick up another today -along with the 64 it was being sold with- >Saturday noon >Went back to the sale and met up with Uncle Roger and his girlfriend. >We had an excellent lunch. Swapped a few stories. Went home and >explained to my wife why I NEED 2 more Sun keyboards. Fortunately for me my wife understands, as she has read, it is easier to get along with your spouse if each of you have a money-pit hobby, hers is mainly knitting, spinning, and fabrics, and mine classic computers. I understand when she needs that third sewing machine and she understands the gleam in my eye as a snag another 4040 dual drive. >--pec -------------------- From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: PONG >...Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more >sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and >Associates. >Computer Space was the first arcade video game. >Trust me, I own all of them. >Kai I have been curious what was Computer Space like????? I keep reading about it, but no good descriptions. What were the controls, the layout, the game play, etc. ------------ SuperPET update! Well I was a little bit conservative in my estimation of daughterboards on the SuperPET, the count is now three (well technically four, one of the daughterboards has a daughterboard itself.) I discovered the bottom-most daughterboard seemed to be loose so I had to do a partial diassembly to get to it. It would seem that the bottom-most daughterboard plugs directly into the 6502 socket of the 8032 motherboard, and that daughterboard was not seated in the socket (which is raised with about 4 stacked chip sockets!) Continuing on, I discover that also some of the pins on the bottom of the daughterboard were bent and *sigh* some broke upon attempt to get them back in line (they should be replaceable, but not too easily.) For now, I decided to re-assemble it (and all the various cross-connections and such). Also, I had gotten word back from the person who has a SuperPET and set the switches to work as an expanded 8032. I now can get the 'jingle' sound and a screen full of garbage characters! (Not a complete victory, but a very good amount of progress here!) Plus, the gentleman does have some of the disks: >Yes, I have most of the Waterloo software stuff, for sure the assembly >stuff, the Pascal possibly, the Fortran for sure, and possibly the >BASIC. I may even have the Cobol stuff... I really don't have the time or space to do much more presently, (one of these decades when I retire or win the lottery) but will work on getting a set of the disks, for future use. This is so much fun, my Commodore collection is getting there! Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 9 months

Aim65 (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Here's some info from the guy about the AIM65s. They sound like nice units. Marvin, please e-mail me so we aren't stepping on each other's toes. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: Re: Aim65 Dear Sam, They are all in new working condition.The beauty about the Aim 65 is that it was a single board computer which was self contained in that it had its display,printer,and memory all mounted on its board so that peripheral attachments weren't necessary.Yes,it comes with a keyboard and power supply also.I developed a plastic enclosure and metal base and ROM board for the system so the keyboard and power supply could be housed with the Aim in a compact unit and programs could be burned onto eproms which would seat in the ROM board rather than rely on tape storage which involves a recorder hookup and would be quite slow. Best Regards Mike

28 years, 9 months

Aim 65

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>One question that does come up is how to handle the repackaging and >remailing assuming we can buy them as a bulk deal. I have access to a I'm sure there will be enough people in the bay area to warrant a dinner get-together to distribute a bulk package. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

Radofin Aquarius on AuctionWeb

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

FYI, Somebody's got a Radofin Aquarius on AuctionWeb: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=elv642 Kai

28 years, 9 months

Aim 65

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> writes: > 1. What is an Aim65? It's a singleboard 6502 system/eval kit from Rockwell, sort of like the MOS/CBM KIM-1, only different. 6502, some RAM, some ROM (sockets?), 20-char LED display, QWERTY keyboard, cash-register printer, a couple of bus connectors off the left side of the board. Actually, I'm not sure if the display, keyboard, and printer were there on all of them but I remember them being sold with those in the late 1970s/early 1980s. > 2. What is a good price to offer to buy/sell one? A few years ago I paid $5 for one at Foothill. It had apparently been OEMd into a nutrition advising system of some sort, as that is what seemed to be in the ROMs and it came in a cheap plastic case that pretty much hid the guts (just sturdy enough to be a frame for the AIM-65 and the power supply). No documentation, either for the AIM-65 itself or for the nutrition software. I don't recall for sure, but would expect that an AIM-65 from Rockwell would have come with something other than the nutrition software in the ROM sockets. Somewhere I do have an AIM-65 manual but it is (like most of my collection at present) in storage. -Frank McConnell

28 years, 9 months

AIM65

by dastar＠crl.com

On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Glenn Roberts wrote: > i'm interested in one of the Aim 65's. $20 seems like a fair offering > price. you mentioned a bulk offer but then you mentioned his email address > so wasn't clear if you guys were trying to coordinate this or let everyone > deal directly with him. let me know how this pans out. tx. I didn't want to seem like a slick willy trying to take over the negotiations for everyone. But I think it would be best if one person did the negotiating and made the deal. It depends on what everyone wants. If it's OK with everyone else, I or Marvin can do the deal, then let everyone know. Otherwise, if everyone wants to take a stab at it themselves, that's fine. I think the easiest for all parties is to offer a bulk buyout at a set price. I think everyone will come away winners. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 9 months

Cleaning Plastic

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the previous post. What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any suggestions helpful at this point. thanks, Greg

28 years, 9 months

AIM65

by BigLouS＠aol.com

Count me in for $20 + shipping. Lou

28 years, 9 months

old memory boards?

by mpsayler＠cs.utexas.edu

Hi. I'm a small-time collector interested in older unix machines, though I think I'd be more interested in micros if I had more room than my apartment provides. I was picking up a load of Sun VME-bus equipment today and ran across some memory boards. These are definitely not for the suns, neither multi-bus nor vmebus. The boards are perhaps 12"x16" and are populated with what I presume to be memory chips (AMD 21-17559-01 / 8333EMM) in 16 banks of 9 chips each. The connector along the back has 6 distinct edge-card pieces, with 18 contacts per connector per side. All of the boards appear to be more or less of the same nature, but one is manufactured by Motorola, and 4 have digital markings. Along the back of three of the digital boards, there are two metal protrusions. One says AM, the other M8210. The other digital board is AZ M8210, and it has a lot of Mostek chips that I would guess are 16kbit 300ns chips . . Does anyone know what machine used these boards? The sun equipment I salvaged was sadly without CPU board or power supply but I did manage to grab 2 8mb boards and a bevy of SCSI and SMD controllers. I guess I can add it to my collection of old sun hardware that needs drives to become operational. Do SMD drives frequently show up at swap meets, etc? matt -- /* Matt Sayler -- mpsayler(a)cs.utexas.edu -- Austin, Texas (512)457-0086 -- http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mpsayler Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations? */

28 years, 9 months

Mark 8

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > If you get one of these up and running, I have a Scelbi book, "Space > Wars for the 8008 Microprocessor" with full hex code listings... I've designed using that chip and still have my MCS-8 microcomputer set manual from intel If you need help. FYI another old ram chip that fits with that CPU is 2101 (256x4). Allison

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