Dear Friends,
There is no desire from my part to start another flame war (but a
discussion, yes) but in answer to the many that have expressed (here or
privately) their total disinterest for the *meaning* the *history* and
the *culture* behind our collections may I ask them to consider what
their machines would mean without somebody behind (or rather in front)
of them. Machines are just pieces of metal and plastic. They mean
something because they are related to the minds, fingers, emotions,
life, behaviours and destinies of the people behind them. YOU love so
much that piece of hadware for what it meant to you (or to somebody else
you are related with), to your life, to your history of for it meant to
the history of mankind.
So I am asking *you*, lover of the hardware to reconsider your thoughts
and ask yourself what would your collection mean without all of the
above. I, for one, will be glad to learn that you had second toughts
about this. In either cases it could be useful to read here your
motivations.
Thanks
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Ok, here it is.
Mike Westerfield, the guy with the AIM65s, phoned me yesterday and we
spoke about the deal. He has been offered $125 for EACH unit from a
company called Dynatem which still uses the AIMs commercially. Mike
started a company way back with a product based on the AIM65. It was an
insurance rate calculator. In order to make the product marketable, he
designed a plastic and a metal-base enclosure. He also placed a compact
power supply inside the enclosure to make for a nice complete package.
He apparently was very successful with this venture and sold many. At
this point, unless someone comes along and offers him more than $125 per
unit and buys the whole lot, they are going to Dynatem. That's too rich
for my blood.
After explaining all this to me, and after I explained what we do here
on classiccmp, Mike mentioned that he had a bunch of other stuff that we
might be interested in. He has a whole basement full of stuff he would
like to sell off. Here's what he told me he has:
EPROM burners
Logical Devices GangPro-S and GangPro-2S. These can burn 32 chips at a time.
These also have other features which make them very nice.
Logical Devices GangPro-8 and GangPro-4 which can burn 8 and 4 respectively.
Optical Technologies EP-2A-88 and EP-2A-89.
EPROMs
A "ton" of NEC-2716 and Hitachi 2716 EPROMs
He also has the line on hundreds of Panasonic RL-H18 palmtops. This is a
palmtop which came out around 1985 and had FORTH in ROM. It also has a
20-col (or 40-col?) thermal printer and a case which bundles the two
together. His company also developed an expansion "tray" which houses
extra memory that the Panasonic can access through bank-switching. He
sold this product to (I believe) an insurance firm and now they want to
dump them all. Now again, he said they have hundreds, and were just
going to shit-can them, but he said the company would most likely opt to
get some money back for them if they could. He said probably about $10
per unit would get them, but they'd have to be purchased in one shot.
Now I don't think that there are enough people here with an interest to
buy one. I suggested that perhaps they can set aside a couple hundred
and then shitcan the rest because I don't have a couple thousand lying
around in which to buy all of them, nor would I want to. It's up to us
to come up with a proposal.
As far as dealing with Mike, I asked him contacting him. At this point,
he would perfer the current arrangement whereby I am the central point of
contact because it is easier for him. However, this tends to put me in a
bad spot for certain reasons. I'm sure there will be people interested in
working out a bulk deal with him. To those people I say feel free to
contact him since he is most interested in getting rid of everything in
one shot. He's not interested in dealing with onesies and twosies. So
he would like for everyone who has an interest in a little here and a
little there to contact me about it and then he's going to call me again
in a week. This would refer mainly to someone wanting one of the
panasonic's or a few EPROMs. As far as the Panasonics, he's finding out
more information about quantity and we will talk more about price next
week. As far as the EPROM burners, I would think that dealing directly
with him would be best.
Anyway, his e-mail address is Mikeooo1(a)aol.com. He's a very nice guy.
He offered that if there was anyone in New Jersey (I believe there is at
least one person here, I can't remember his name) to come on down to his
place and he'll show you through all the stuff he has.
Sam
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At 04:11 PM 6/24/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I think that there is no need to get vulgar. If that is the general
>feeling I apologise and widthdraw my question. Sorry
There is no "general feeling". We are not the Borg. We are a bunch of
individuals with differing opinions and attitudes. You are one of us, I am
one of us, each of us is one of us. Some are more vocal than others. Take
what is of use or of interest to you, and ignore the rest.
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Greeting:
I am located in central Nebraska, USA, and am looking for the following to
add to my collection. If you have these systems or might be able to get
them for me at a reasonable price, PLEASE e-mail me.
MSX computer
Colour Genie
TI 99/4a
I am also looking for any old classic software for these types of
computers. My specialty is the TRS-80 Model 1,3,4 computers. I am
especially interested in TRS-80 and Apple ][e games at this time. If you
would like a complete (65 page) listing of all my hardware and software
available, please send me your mailing address. If you would like it
immediately, please send $3 to the address below to cover shipping
charges.
Well, thanks a lot for your time, and I look forward to hearing from
fellow collectors. Remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading.
CORD COSLOR
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At 06:43 PM 6/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I accept that....but you are such a big country. Isn't it about time you
>start looking outside and try to understand other cultures? (no offence
But we are a country of other cultures. My father came over from Germany as
a boy. My mother was of english descent (going back to Ann Boleyn and
Katherine(?) Howard, two of Henry VIII's wives). My sister is an honorary
Nigerian. My girlfriend is Russian, French Canadian, and who knows what
else. Her sister-in-law is a philippina. Some of my best friends include
jamaicans, scotsman, irish, french, german, native american, japanese,
chinese, aussies, South African, eritrean, and so on.
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
And don't forget the Workslate from Convergent. It was the slickest laptop
around in 1984. Small LCD screen but built in voice digitization and voice
mail system! No disk, only min-cassette.
Kevin
>From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
>Subject: My current For Trade/Wanted List
>--------------------
>Wanted:
>Commodore PET dual floppy system model 2040
I would suggest looking for a 4040, they are compatible with the 1541
as the 2040 is, more 4040s were made, and you won't have to worry about
getting DOS 1.0 ROMs (which should be upgraded) The single drive
equivelant to the 4040 is the 2031.
Larry Anderson
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> My girlfriend is a professional sculptress, I don't know why I
> didn't ask her to begin with. She recommended plain amonia, which I was
> sceptical of. I wanted to use Formula 405 basically because you had
> recommended it. Well, the amonia worked great and the case looks nearly
> brand new - it sure took several hours though. ;-) Never doubt a woman
I'm told that FANTASTIK handles static better than Formula 405.
I noticed a reference to trichloroethane a few days ago. I usta use it
years ago on Xeroxes. Be *careful* with it on hot parts. I'm told that on
contact with hot metal, trichlor produces phosgene gas, which was one of
the war gases used in WWI...slightly fatal. :>
> You could remove the keys and actually clean the
> contacts with alchohol. Is this possible, or am I just going to be able
> to get dust bunnies between the keys?
I've successfully used alcohol to clean keys by squirting it in there at
high pressure from a bottle.
Have you tried MEK? I think of alcohol (the kind without water) and MEK as
safe on almost anything.
Last night, a saintly gentleman was kind enough to present me with
several wonderful pieces of equipment and parts, including:
- IBM 5100 with a box of tapes!
- KIM-1 in original box(!) w/documentation, etc.
- Altos 5000 series Z80A with built-in dual 8" (might give this away if
u-pick-up)
- Tandy 200 portable with docs & carrying case
Plus a bunch of useful parts:
- Two SoftStrip readers in original boxes w/docs, etc.
- Three Shugart SA800 8" bare drives
- Two 5 1/4" bare drives
- Several PET motherboards and video power supplies (I'm giving these
away if u-pick-up!)
- Altos terminal (this goes with the Altos if someone picks up)
- IBM 5103 printer (companion printer to the 5100 PC)
- 4 slightly broken Tandy 200 portables (I'm giving these away if
u-pick-up!)
- Two unidentified front panels (look for mail on these)
- A CardBoard expansion bus (for the KIM, I think)
- PET dealer service manual stuffed with schematics, updates and
diagnostic program cassette tapes
- PET 80-column video/graphics board upgrade w/docs and box
Kai
>Roger Ivie wrote:
>>
>> No promises, but I _may_ have a CP/M boot disk for the thing and (depending
>> on how recently my cow-orkers have cleaned their offices) I may be able to
>> find a bit of technical info.
>>
>
>Wow, that would be great! It would also be good to get enough
>information to add it to the "Big List" that Bill maintains. In any
>case, thanks for the info!
OK, here's what I have found so far:
- Technical manual for "Microterm II" (also labelled "Series 2000")
- Technical manual for "Series 1000"
- A few other manuals, including a BASIC language manual and something
to do with 2780 communications.
Both technical manuals contain schematics. I've not yet compared the schematics
to see what the differences between "Series 1000" and "Series 2000" are.
I've not yet come across boot disks, but I've been informed that we still
have one of the machines in our storage shed, so I expect to find one when
I get _really_ serious about poking around.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Phil:
I also have a "Datamasher", which did work at one point. Now, I can't seem to
get it to boot from the Diagnostic Diskette. I don't know if the diskette is
bad, or if the floppy is bad. I don't know if it is possible, but would you
be willing to make a copy of a known-bootable disk and send it to me?? I'll
cover the cost of postage. I'd also like to get some sort of operations
manuals, but that is probobly not in the cards at this point.
Anyway, when I first got the 23 (also known as the 5322; from a school in
Gerogia), I made contact with John Kelley, whose wife worked on the Datamaster
project. Below is a copy of the message thread. I thought that you might be
interested...
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#: 517922 S0/General [H]
07-Dec-94 18:27:07
Sb: #517503-#IBM 5322 Datamstr?
Fm: Richard Cini 70153,3367
To: John Kelley 73467,450 (X)
John:
I do have several questions:
1: An historical Perspective -- What was IBM's original purpose for that
machine?? I read somewhere that the Datamaster was supposed to be IBM's first
'personal computer' (which flopped after a short time, and was replaced with
the IBM PC). If that's true, how long did IBM make the 5322? The PC was
introduced in 8/81, but my 5322 has manufacturing date tags in late-1982.
What was it like working on a project like that? I've always been
fascinated by the thoughts of people who basically created a
multi-billion-dollar industry, the market climate, as well as comparing the
capabilities of those machines to today's. In fact, I collect old,
historically-significant computers.
2: Was there any real software available for that machine, or was it
around for too short of a time to garner any significant market support?
3: What was its specifications? I didn't take the whole thing apart yet,
I
just cleaned it up and turned it on to see if it worked. (Yes, it works!)
4: Do you have any of its documentation original; maybe a system manual
or
a system diskette? How about schematics or a service manual?
5: Anything else that you may find useful.
Thanks so much for your (and your wife's) help!
Regards...
Rich
There are 2 Replies.
#: 518568 S0/General [H]
09-Dec-94 08:51:43
Sb: #517922-IBM 5322 Datamstr?
Fm: John Kelley 73467,450
To: Richard Cini 70153,3367 (X)
Richard,
I will convey your questions to the expert and get back to you. I can tell
you this regarding creating a multi-billion-dollar industry: the folks doing
the development work were too busy with heavy overtime in the trenches to have
much opportunity for "big picture" thinking. IBM had a very structured
software development process.
Back to you later,
- John K.
#: 519705 S0/General [H]
12-Dec-94 08:52:04
Sb: #517922-IBM 5322 Datamstr?
Fm: John L. Kelley 73467,450
To: Richard Cini 70153,3367 (X)
Rich,
Things were busy this weekend but I did get some info for you.
The System 23 (Datamaster) was indeed the first move towards a PC. It was
the first IBM product to use a non-IBM processor, namely the Intel 8085.
Interestingly, this fact is what made the product revolutionary within IBM,
and a threat to some. Apparently there was much conflict internally over the
non-Blue processor. Some say that the only reason the product saw the light
of day was that Frank Cary (then chairman of IBM) had gotten convinced by the
backers of the system. Otherwise it would have died of attacks from the
entrenched interests.
It was actually IBM's first attempt at a PC. IBM provided business software:
billing, accounts payable and receivable, general ledger, inventory,
report-writer, etc. IBM provided telephone support through an Atlanta location
to users of this software. The "real" PC came along right on its heels and so
it never saw large volume, but thousands of users called the support lines, so
it was in use. There may have been third party software as well.
Some of the managers and developers who worked on this product also worked on
the development of the real PC. The 23 apparently started shipping in 1980,
and was still being sold when the IBM PC emerged. Big brother was then
eclipsed by little brother.
We don't seem to have much documentation or info on specs but something may
turn up. I'll have to get back to you on that.
To me, the interesting thing is that this "PC version 0.5" was almost killed
by internal interests, just as the real PC was almost killed.
Good luck with your collection!
- John K.
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 11:23:18 BST
From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subject: EBCDIC
Message-ID: <9705238670.AA867090681(a)compsci.powertech.co.uk>
Last week - while I was on holiday on the Noprfolk Broads - someone (I
forget who) asked if there had ever been a microcomputer that used
EBCDIC.
Anyone else out there have one of these? Know any more about it?
{etc.}
Philip.
At 13:54 23/06/97 -0800, you wrote:
>> On another note, has anyone ever seen (or have) a Basis-xxx? I know it
>> has a number in the name, but I can't remember it. It was an Apple ][
>> clone that also ran CP/M I believe? Something like that. I'm sure
>> someone knows about it. I only knew one guy who ever had one, but I never
>> saw it. It was a friend in high school back in 1989.
>
>I believe these were designed/built in Europe, probably Germany.
In Italy there was Lemon computer building Apple-clones.
Has anyone heard about them?
Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> writes:
> On another note, has anyone ever seen (or have) a Basis-xxx? I know it
> has a number in the name, but I can't remember it. It was an Apple ][
> clone that also ran CP/M I believe? Something like that. I'm sure
> someone knows about it. I only knew one guy who ever had one, but I never
> saw it. It was a friend in high school back in 1989.
Yep, a Basis 108. They are something like the Apple ][+ with
integrated language card, Microsoft Softcard and some sort of
80-column display on the motherboard, all housed in a big brown cast
metal case with a detachable keyboard. Um...there are also integrated
serial and parallel I/O, but I think there was something
not-quite-compatible about the way they were decoded so one or the
other or maybe both did not appear to be at the canonical slot
addresses.
They were made in Germany and imported into the US. I can't remember
all the details, but I think Apple tried to restrict their import for
a while (maybe due to ROM copyright issues?) and the distributor
changed hands and/or locations a couple of times. For a while it was
in Scotts Valley, CA, then I think went to somewhere in New England.
Maybe I have it backwards.
I bought one used (via the net) for ~$500 ca. 1991 because I missed my
Apple ][+ (had left it with Mom, who just did not get the hang of
Wordstar under CP/M and now has a Mac Plus, and yes I got my ][+
back). And the posted ad was for a dream system: Basis 108, PCPI
Applicard, Vista 8" disk controller, Videx Ultraterm with a good
monitor that could really show the lotsa-text you could get with one
of those. All the stuff I had had in my ][+ and, more importantly,
*all the stuff I had lusted after*.
The only problems were due to some carelessness in packing, and the
system was shipped from Connecticut to California. Mistakes submitted
for your educational experience:
The floppy drives are mounted by way of having brackets screwed to
them which are then screwed to the base. The end result is that for
each of two floppy drives there are these two brackets holding a
floppy drive some distance above the base. Well, the shipper left
them in, and UPS threw the package around enough that the brackets
deformed and broke loose from the base. So the floppy drives with
brackets could rattle around inside. (To be fair, I'm not sure I'd
have caught this either, but I certainly won't ship things where two
solid objects are connected quite like that -- not without dismantling
them first.)
He had also left the peripheral cards installed. Apple ][ peripheral
cards just sit in their slots, there are no card guides or screws or
anything like that. Well, guess what the floppy drives whacked into
as they rattled around, not that I really think they would have stayed
in place anyway. The boards weren't broken, but some of the ICs had
been popped out and mashed. Between loose bits and spares that came
with the system and other bits I had around I was able to get it
working again, but still haven't replaced the floppy-drive brackets to
my satisfaction. So it has a couple of gaping holes up front with
half-height floppies showing where there should be full-height units.
...
I don't have room to set the system up at present, so it is in
storage. Except for its manuals, some of which are on loan to a
friend of mine over the hill in Santa Cruz (who had one when he lived
in Buffalo, NY and picked up another one at Weird Stuff a few years
ago). If y'all have particular questions about this send e-mail and I
will ask for them back and try to find the other bits in storage. It
is a fairly thorough set of documentation, including user group
newsletters, and would probably shed a little light on things I can't
remember about it and Basis and the moves in distributorship and so
forth.
One other thing I remember about this system is that the previous owner
had bought a set of Apple ROMs, then copied them *and* the Basis ROMs
into 2732?s with a switch on the back to select one bank or the other.
So he could boot with Basis or Apple personalities depending on what he
needed to be compatible with. There were some things that depended on
each, but I can't remember specifics.
I remember seeing slicks somewhere in there for another Basis system
that had two half-height 8" floppy drives in a similar case (different
cutout up front for the floppies), and have the impression that that
was a pure CP/M machine. Never saw one up close, though. Anyone know
anything about that?
-Frank McConnell
At 06:43 PM 6/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Allison J Parent wrote:
>
>> There is the matter of customs which many americans have little experience
>> with.
>I accept that....but you are such a big country. Isn't it about time you
>start looking outside and try to understand other cultures? (no offence
>meant)
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How quaint. A culture TROLL in a classic computer mailing list.
Perhaps you were looking for alt.usa-sucks.
At least the subject header now fits.
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
ive also got a pcjr, with a 128k module and a printer adaptor. isnt this
thing supposed to run whatever cartridge you plug in? i noticed it resets
when you insert one. my pcjr only boots to basic because ive been too lazy to
make a dos 3.3 boot disk. i also have a joystick and serial/video/rf
mod./300b modem in all their original boxes too along with a tech ref and
basic guide. i have a cable/dongle for it that will let you plug in a
standard cga monitor into the back. if anyone's interested, i could post the
pinouts of the dongle so you can use cga. the last hamfest i went to have
pcjr stuff for $1 a peice! that's where i got my missing psu from.
david
At 21:44 20/06/97 +0100, we wrote:
>>
>>>Besides, I was talking about CP/M for the Commodore 1541 drive. That's a
>>>multi-speed drive that uses GCR encoding, not MFM. Try writing THAT with
>>>22DISK on your PC-clone.
>>>I used to know that only C=1570 and C=1571 were capable to read and write
>>CP/M disks in a proper way. (GCR+MFM)
>>By the way anyone else apart me owning a C=1570 here?
>>
>>Ciao
>>
>>i own a 1570, its a american one with a step down transformer, Its
>connected to my PC, and guess what, it writes CPM!!!
>Steve
>Emulator BBS
>01284 760851
>Keeping 8-Bit ALIVE
Hi Steve,
Yours was the only one response I get (since now) from C=1570 owners
Mine was made in Germany (did you buy it in the U.S.?)
Ciao
Emulator BBS 11,000 Emulator Related Files
01284 760851
Keeping 8-Bit ALIVE
I just got a couple of unidentified front panels. If anyone can shed
some light on what computers these come from, please let me know!
Front Panel #1:
- No bezel
- Has flat switches exactly like the Imsai except they're all black
- In the upper right there's a 16-key hexadecimal keypad; black keys
with white lettering.
- Two rows of switches; 7 in the upper left, and a row of 18 below.
- There are numerous LEDs arranged mostly in banks of 4 with 7545 TTL
drivers.
- The LEDs are on a riser card about 1/2" off the main front panel card.
The main card is dark gray and the LED card is green.
- Three 40-pin ribbon cable connectors on the bottom edge.
Front Panel #2:
- Very simple design with metal bezel. Looks like it's from a mini.
- 20 cup-shaped plastic paddle switches, some navy blue, some sky blue
in color.
- Switches are labeled "CLR, STP, MRD, MWR, ADR, EXE" and numbers 2
through 15.
- Three lights in the upper left are labeled "POWER, WAIT, CARRY,
ENABLE"
- There's a key lock in the lower right
- A bundle of cables trail from the panel terminating in two 46-pin
connectors and a few power leads.
- An ink stamp on the PCB reads "5172" - 5/1/72 perhaps?
thanks all! By the way, if someone needs one of these, let me know!
Kai
Once they are broke, they are broke, trust me on this, You can remove the
keycaps, but the switch itself is sealed in one piece.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: apple II - SCORE!
> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 1997 12:40 PM
>
> On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca wrote:
>
> > Nip! Sad story about key problem...
> >
> > Can't you take that switch apart and clean it with alcohol? I had to
> > do that on my "speedy". Generic keyboard but used good quality gold
> > contacts switch in it only minor cleaning there then it worked 100%
> > The one key tab needed pounding to get anything but now I just
> > merely poke it. :) Total time of repair: 15 to 20 mins.
>
> I don't think you can do that with apple keys. Once they're broke
> they're broke. I could be wrong about this. I've just never tried it.
> At the time, I don't think I would've had the dexterity necessary to fix
> the key. At the very least I didn't have the brain capacity to think
> about it.
>
>
> Sam
>
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Jackass
Im gonna take a risk here, but do any of these folks collect computers,
maybe the recent conversations havn't driven them nuts and they can give us
some information about old computers rather than start some type of
political hate crime debate. GROW UP EVERYONE.
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> From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Why?
> Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 8:09 PM
>
> At 06:43 PM 6/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >I accept that....but you are such a big country. Isn't it about time you
> >start looking outside and try to understand other cultures? (no offence
>
> But we are a country of other cultures. My father came over from Germany
as
> a boy. My mother was of english descent (going back to Ann Boleyn and
> Katherine(?) Howard, two of Henry VIII's wives). My sister is an
honorary
> Nigerian. My girlfriend is Russian, French Canadian, and who knows what
> else. Her sister-in-law is a philippina. Some of my best friends
include
> jamaicans, scotsman, irish, french, german, native american, japanese,
> chinese, aussies, South African, eritrean, and so on.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>
> Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
> sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Something is odd here. There was some 25 PCjr messages in my box.
Somehow the discussion didn't get to me 'til it was underway.
I did go through them but I don't know anything. :)
Anyway, assuming PC Enterprises still carries this stuff, you might want
to check with them. The catalogue also doubles as an information source
since they give a few paragraphs on various tech stuff.
For instance what happens when your system board malfunctions, etc.
Here's some stuff from their PCjr catalogue that may
be of interest. There's a lot so this is just a few.
PCjr System Board #78739 $98
Power Supply Transformer (brick) #78712 $44
PCjr Power Supply Card (original) #78707 $49.95
PCjr Power Supply Card (heavy duty) #78729 $69.95
64K Memory & Display Expansion #78709 $50
Cartridge BASIC #78722 $119
Configuration Plus Cartridge #18026 $29.95
Allows for using BASIC/BASICA if you don't have
Cartridge BASIC
Compatibility Cartridge #18032 $39.95
Allows for running "modern" DOS apps that normally have
problems with the PCjr BIOS
Combo Cartridge V3.0 #18034 $89.95
Combination of four different cartridges (available separatly):
Compatibility, Quicksilver (memory speedup), Keyboard Buffer,
jrVideo (video speedup).
jrExcellerator Speed-up Board #14802 $99
Megaboard Sidecard #14031 $199
Adds 1MB to anything else you already have.
Load High Sidecar #97509 $35
Brings 640K system to 736K
There's a lot more (drives, video, etc.). Also info and memory expansion
for Rapport, Racore, and Quadram users.
This catalogue is from 1995 and no doubt they don't have everything
anymore (if their lack of Tandy parts is any indication).
PC Enterprises is the reason I have EMS and SCSI on my Tandy 1000 HX
but most of the stuff they used to have is no more.
1-800-922-7257 or 908-280-0025.
Getting help is also a problem.
Marc
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It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
At 00:02 22-06-97 PDT, you wrote:
<snip>
>Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that:
>
>a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
>onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
>the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
>required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
>about collecting.
??? What on God's green Earth would make you think that? I collect a few
bits and pieces mainly for historical value (I've got an original Seagate
ST212 in one of my Micro-PDP11's that I don't ever plan to use; just
exhibit), and I've never been ridiculed.
Even if you have been jeered at, what of it? People have taken plenty of
pokes at me for my open criticism of Bill Gates, Microsoft, Intel, et al,
and my collecting of DEC stuff that's at least ten years old. My take on
this? Let 'em jeer. I see them as narrow-minded victims of the Wintel
monopoly's marketing sharks, and I am confident in the fact that I'll
likely forget more about computer hardware than such people will ever learn.
>b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from
>the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
>even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
>respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
I don't see an issue with this. What I do have a problem with is people
who just blindly throw 'bits and pieces' or entire machines on the scrap
heap just because they think they're "obsolete" (an overused word if ever
there was one!)
>c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different")
>collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
>it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
?!? Good Lord, man, who's been beating you up? I would WELCOME aiding
anyone, in any country, that wanted to restore or collect some piece of
hardware that I'm familiar with and needed help to get it going (I
obviously can't be of much help with stuff I don't know anything about).
Tell you what... if you want proof of this, at least from me, I'd be happy
to offer any aid I can with the equipment that I'm familiar with. That
includes DEC stuff, from the PDP11/03 on up through the MicroPDP's and
VAXen. There are others on here who, I'm sure, would be willing to help you
in their particular areas of expertise.
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"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Today's scrounging haul:
TI99/4 Impact Printer, clean, working, new ribbon $ 1.00
Mac 20mb SCSI external hard drive $20.00
200 360k floppys, new in boxes of 10 $ 3.00
Mac ADB coil cord $
1.00
Tandy CoCo/1000 delux joystick NIB $ 1.00
Passed up on a C64 with PSU $ 3.00, Amiga A500 NIB $ 25.00, C-128 $1.00
(looked a little well used), Apple 2e $ 5.00 with Disk II.
This is a message I sent to the Electronic Organ list today. They were
discussing simulating a pipe organ with a computer.
I looked at the Alphasyntauri in my collection, and thought "Been there,
done that . . ."
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:40:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Charles P. Hobbs" <transit(a)primenet.com>
Cc: EORG-L(a)CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU
Subject: Computer simulation of an organ
Anyone here heard of the AlphaSyntauri?
This was an organ keyboard, connected to an Apple II computer. The Apple
was equipped with sixteen 8-bit DACs (digital-analog converters). The
DACs converted digital waveforms (sequences of numbers in the Apple's RAM)
to analog, audio signals.
The AlphaSyntauri could play up to eight notes simultaneously (2 DACs were
normally assigned to each note). Tonalities could be easily selected via
software. There were even Fourier-analysis tools allowing the users to
make and manipulate their own waveforms.
This instrument was popular in the early 80's, but died out before the
age of MIDI. By that time, its output (8 bit DACs, relatively low sampling
rate) had made the instrument obsolete for most serious musicians (I have
one as a collector's item).
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