David, or anyone who's going to drop by David's place... I'd pay for
packing/shipping for any of the Heathkit or Vector equipment that others
don't want to keep.
Kai
> ----------
> From: David Betz
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 7:40 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Machines on the way to the dump...
>
> I'm taking the following machines to the dump on Saturday. If anyone
> is
> within striking distance of Bedford, NH and wants any of these
> machines
> please let me know.
>
> TI-99/4a (doesn't work)
> A few TI cartridges and books
> Heathkit H-11 (works)
> Heathkit dual 8" disk drive unit (doesn't work)
> Vector V3-5036 S-100 system (works)
> Vector dual 5.25" disk drive unit (untested)
> VT-100 clone
>
> --
> David Betz
> dbetz(a)xlisper.mv.com
> DavidBetz(a)aol.com
> (603) 472-2389
>
>From: "e.tedeschi" <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Why?
>Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that:
> a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
> onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
> the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
> required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
> about collecting.
I have never felt that here, and I have several items in my collection
in non-working order. Would I give up my P-500, MTU VMM board, or
SuperPET if I never got them fixed? NO! I would hope to get them fixed
but the important thing now is to get them, mainly because it is part of
the 'collection' if they work, wonderful, if they don't they still has
meaning.
> b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from
> the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
> even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
> respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
I think that may be personal views by individual collectors and not by
the group in whole. Some feel that not having 'original parts' or
add-ons is blasphmey. I can understand and appreciate where you come
from, there are compnents of computers that are shear art as the disk
controller in the apple II (from what I read the board was drawn 'not
designed by computer' by Steve Wozniac.) I would be interested to learn
more about it. There have been chips that have amazed me too. Everyone
has their own intrest. The only reason you are perceiving otherwise is
that those people are the ones that are posting more, from years of
running an BBS as well as participating on the group, the more you post
messages the more attention and notoriety you will receive. If you want
to see something written about an interest of yours, sometimes you just
have to sit down and write it yourself.
> c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different")
> collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
> it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
> deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
> after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
> need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
I reply to what I know (some times I also replay to what I don't know
and put my foot in the mouth in the process). If you see anyone post
about Commodores or PETs more specifically, you can be sure within a day
or so a response from me will follow (unless it is something I am
totally in the dark about). Case in point, Exidy Sorceror, I purchased
one and sent it to Sam Ismael, he is now looking for information, not
very many people ever seen one, much less an ad for one, sometimes the
best we can do is quiote from old magazine ads. :/ Also some of the
sytems are regional and there may not be many people from that area who
have seen that particular machine on this list...
> Of course I have no proof of the above but from the short experience I
> had here, I think that the problem exhists as opposed to the "openess"
> of other American collecting groups like, for example, the radio
> collecting community which has been VERY helpful with me and other
> "foreigners" to buy and export stuff from the USA and CANADA (what about
> the stuff you ARE importing from overseas then?).
I have sent fellow users disks and cartridges through the mail to
Europe, anything larger I could not afford the shipping. This depends
on the individual. Sam was lucky to get me to shop the Sorcer as quick
as I did, I myself lothe shipping things, especially heavy/bulky
things. I think that again depends on the individual.
> I think that if you think I am wrong the best way to demonstrate it, if
> you care, is not with words but with facts.
> Thank you for your interest
> enrico
You are very welcome and hope you keep with the list and help us all to
work out this misunderstanding.
Larry Anderson
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Scott Ware <s-ware(a)nwu.edu> writes:
> The main unit is a single piece about the size of a Processor Technology
> Sol.
I believe this may be a Big Clue. Isn't the Expander one of the
things that Lee Felsenstein designed between Processor Technology and
Osborne? I also seem to remember that it was primarily marketed in
Europe.
Good catch!
-Frank McConnell
> > Currently no one knows (or is saying they know) how to encrypt 7800
> > carts.
> >
>
> Actually, I seem to recall that a guy in rec.games.video.classic has
> figured it out, but there hasn't been any practical application of it
> yet. But I haven't read r.g.v.c in a LONG time, so things may have
> changed...
>
> I wish I could remember his name... he was one of the big cheese
> techie
> types in the newsgroup that was always hacking up weird stuff, so I
> don't
> doubt that he did it.
> -------
>
> My good friend, Bruce Tomlin, was the person who did that.
>
> -Mp
Browsing a local thrift, I found a box containing a "Matchpoint" card.
Apparently it's a PC card which allows you to read Apple disks, via an ISA
card and some software. Has anyone ever used one? Is it worth finding a
5 1/4" drive for my PeeCee?
Also, does anybody have a spare Apple 25-pin-to-19-pin drive cable? (Or
are all those pins supposed to be broken?)
Thanks,
--
Ben Coakley CBEL: Xavier OH bcoakley(a)teleport.com
http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley
My PET 2001-8 is a 240V version and has serial number 1008669.
There is also a hand texta number on the board itself 38658
----------
> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Pet Serial Numbers
> Date: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 9:53 AM
>
> Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for the
> Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have. I
> believe these both came from the local university at one of their sales.
>
> Description Model Serial #
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625
This is the last call. On Friday I will be forwarding the final count to
Mike. For the benefit of those who haven't seen this yet (and for those
asking for more information) here is a casual spec of the Panasonic
HandHeld Computers that we are about to get a bunch of:
This computer came out around 1984. It was a handheld unit which featured:
6502 processor
8K RAM (the "top-of-the-line" model)
3 slots for 8K program EPROM on-board
Custom built tray to hold 10 additional 8K EPROMS
Tray also housed both computer and printer to make one compact unit
Printer is 40-column thermal (paper can still be found allegedly)
Full "QWERTY" keyboard
FORTH-like language in ROM called "SNAP"
Measures 9" x 3.5"
Some manuals available
Bunch of MCM 68674 8K EPROMs with programs on them
AC Adaptor
Now on to the original message. Instructions follow for reserving one,
two or many for yourself. Read on.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl4.crl.com>
To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Panasonic Handhelds
PANASONIC HANDHELD UPDATE:
This is the latest message from Mike who has the hundreds of Panasonic
HandHeld computers. In case its not obvious what's going on, I put in an
offer of $10 each for 50, $9 each for 100, $8 each for 150, etc. I don't
have $2000 lying around with which to buy them all up. I have a plan,
but first read what Mike had to say:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com
To: dastar(a)crl.com
Subject: Re: EPROM Burners re: Classic Computers
Dear Sam,
I believe the total number of HHC's available will be about 400.Based on
your offer I assume that for 150 of the units you would be willing to pay at
the rate of $10 for the first 50,$9 for the next 50, $8 for the next 50 and
$7 for the next 50 whcih would come to $1700 for 200 units.Would you be
interested in 300 units for $2000 even?To make the offer even sweeter I'll
throw in the memory expander trays with each unit.The cost for each tray
alone was well over $100 when they were purchased,as well as a quantity of
the MCM 68674 8K eprom chips that the programs were written on.
As always Best Regards,
Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
END FORWARD
So here's my plan...anyone and everyone who is interested, reply to ME
(do not reply to classiccmp! People will hate you and want to drown your
pets!) telling me how many you want. Do this soon. I will save all of
your e-mails and then at the end of say, 10 days I will tally up the
total and make Mike an offer. So again...
Reply to ME only (dastar(a)crl.com)
Tell me HOW MANY of the Panasonic HandHeld Computers you want.
Do it SOON.
You have about [2] days.
Price will be NO MORE THAN $10 EACH.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
The Canonical List of Commodore Products doesn't go into serial number
schemes... my 2001-8 is serial # 80684, no leading zeroes... could be a
different numbering scheme entirely.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 4:53 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Pet Serial Numbers
>
> Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for
> the
> Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have.
> I
> believe these both came from the local university at one of their
> sales.
>
> Description Model Serial #
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625
>
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mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but,
in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain-
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and often failed ;).
This FAQ is Part 1 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented
deals with the use of mailing lists and internet-specific tools.
If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please
contact me at the address above.
A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://weber.u.
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1. Mailing Lists
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1.1 Mailing List Basics
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
How to set to Digest
How to Subscribe
How to Unsubscribe
2. FTP
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2.1 FTP Basics
3. World Wide Web
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3.1 WWW Basics
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1.1 Mailing List Basics
A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it
to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the
distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message
to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it
to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc).
If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution
list.
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To
send a command to the list processor, write a message to
listproc(a)u.washington.edu
(Do NOT send the message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of
the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following
commands, then send the message.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK
Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you
write to the list. This is the default.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK
Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages
you write to the list. I don't recommend this.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST
Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages
rather than each as it is posted. With this option
you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep
a nice, tidy in-box.
SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Subscribes you to the list.
UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Removes you from the list.
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2.1 FTP Basics
FTP is a protocol by which files can be transferred over the internet.
You can use FTP to connect to a remote site and retrieve files. The
commands you use with FTP depend on the software you use. In general
you must make sure that you are in BINARY mode before transferring a
program file or compressed files. The process of downloading a file
is usually termed GET and the process of uploading a file is usually
termed PUT.
Your FTP program will require an address to connect to. For the
ClassicCmp site that address is 140.142.225.27.
You then may be asked to log in (unless your program assumes an
anonymous login). When asked for a name, use anonymous. When asked
for a password enter your internet e-mail address.
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3.1 WWW Basics
The only complicated thing with the WWW is knowing what bells
and whistles your web browser supports. You don't really need to
know much other than the address for ClassicCmp. The web site is
all text which means just about any web browser from the oldest
Lynx to the newest Netscape or Microsoft browser should support it.
The ClassicCmp site is http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html.
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At 11:30 AM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
><< I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
> Does any Winsock exist?
>there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let
>you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30
There is also a program called "Arachne" which does graphical web browsing
under DOS. (I use it when working on web pages under DOS -- far more
efficient and faster than loading windoze and using a windows editor!) I
believe it also works with some TCP/IP stack for DOS, but I've not really
looked into that.
P.S. the NetTamer home page is at <http://people.delphi.com/davidcolston/>
and there's a whole passel of DOS Browser/etc. info at
<http://www.concentric.net/~Cruzing/dosinet/dosinet.shtml>. Hope this helps!
P.P.S. you can, of course, use a shell account with pine, tin, lynx, etc.
with just about any computer that can hook up to a modem.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
The 7800 is actually '83 or '84 developed. A small number were sold
then, and the rest sat in warehouses for a couple years. seriously!
-Mp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 1997 6:06 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Encryptor Board...
>
> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Larry Anderson & Diane Hare wrote:
>
> > > the Encryptor, Jones Futura Corporation, Model ENC 100-1
>
> > > California Computer Systems, Model 2832 [has this big, black 3"x3"
> square
> > > and 3/8" thick block of resin on it, have no idea what it's
> hiding]
>
> NOTE: The description above is of two, separate cards.
>
> > I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are
> > encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games
> get
> > access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just
> gets
> > 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get
> a
> > share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be
> a
> > slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game
> > system...
>
> Hmmm. Interesting hypothesis. However, these boards are circa 1983,
> while the 7800 is circa 1986 or something.
>
> I'll go repost a request for info on the atari newsgroups.
>
>
> Sam
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
> Writer, Jackass
> I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are
> encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games get
> access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just gets
> 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get a
> share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be a
> slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game
> system...
>
> Currently no one knows (or is saying they know) how to encrypt 7800
> carts.
>
> Larry Anderson
>
> We've reverse enginnered the encryption. I forget the specifics: It
> was some sort of Public + Private key deal. The key size was 120
> *bytes* Not all of a cartridge needs to be encrypted (as little as
> 4K can be encrypted). Massive overkill for the time. No one has
> reported finding the keys yet. Probably never will.
>
> -Mp
The name of the book was something like that, I'll have to dig it up..
-Mp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cord Coslor [SMTP:coslor@pscosf.peru.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 1997 10:11 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: RE: which month?
>
> What was the name of that book? Wasn't it something about a mouse?
> Like,
> To Catch a Mouse, Make a Noise Like A Cheese?
>
> Curious to know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> CORD
>
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> NE ||
> || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu
> 68421-0308 ||
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> ||
> || Autograph collector
> ||
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>
>
> On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Matt Pritchard wrote:
>
> > I have a book about marketing, written by a Tandy VP which has a
> large
> > chapter on the birh of the TRS-80. He mentioned the day of the
> first
> > produced unit, (sept 15th I think) and game totals for the first
> months
> > or two (It seemed they only managed 3 computer a day for the first
> week
> > or two).
> > -Mp
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bwit(a)pobox.com [SMTP:bwit@pobox.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 11:51 AM
> > > To: 'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu'
> > > Subject: RE: which month?
> > >
> > >
> > > IIRC the TRS-80 was introduced in September 1977.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > From: e.tedeschi
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 7:39 AM
> > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> > > Subject: which month?
> > >
> > > I wonder if anybody here has the *exact* months of introduction
> > > of the
> > > three first *real* home computers introduced in 1977:
> > >
> > > a) the Apple II
> > > b) the Tandy TRS-80
> > > c) the Commodore Pet
> > >
> > > I need them for a book on collecting home computers I am
> > > researching
> > > for.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > enrico
> > > --
> > > ================================================================
> > > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K.
> > > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile
> > > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e..tedeschi>
> > > ================================================================
> > > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>
> > >
> > >
> >
OK. I've been away this weekend for the funeral of my
grandfather who passed away last week. I was thrilled
to come back and find my mailbox filled with threads
dealing with personal disputes (much was thankfully
kept off the list). I cannot continue to run this list
if I have to constantly mediate situations in which
adults are acting childishly. Therefore I am instituting
the 1 warning rule:
If you post something insulting/immature/inflammatory and
I receive a complaint you will receive a warning. If you
then do so again within a months time I will eject you.
Please do not follow up on this message to the list. If
you need to follow up send me personal mail. If you have
important comments regarding this rule that you feel I am
censoring send me a copy of the message and I will make it
available to list members. If you follow up to this to
the list regarding its unfairness consider that your
warning for this month.
----------------------------------------------------
Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp
bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw
PS. I _really_ did not want to have to do this.
IVIE(a)cc.usu.edu wrote:
> I wrote:
>> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
>> Internet
>> e-mail:
>>
>> - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
>[[[ snip ]]]
>> With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
>> Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
>> is out (they all require a 386 or better).
>
>Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my
>trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything
>PCish.
Yes, I looked at, but didn't try out Arachne. It's documentation said you
had to have a 386 to do graphical stuff. Might be a better text web browser
than Nettamer, though.
Clark.
Jordi Carceller (jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es) wrote:
>I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
>
>Does any Winsock exist?
>
>Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course)
Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
Internet
e-mail:
- 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
- 4 Meg RAM (all the SIP sockets are filled)
- 20 Meg Seagate ST-225 MFM hard disk (C)
- 30 Meg Seagate ST-238R RLL hard disk (D) running from its
own RLL controller stolen from an XT clone my brother-in-law
tossed my way. I had a lot of fun getting it to work in
the AT clone.
- Trident super VGA video
- DOS 6, Windows 3.1 (barely fits on C).
- older Trumpet Winsock (version 2.something)
- Eudora e-mail (was using version 1.44, now using Eudora Light
version 3.01 which is slower, but has a feature I needed
that 1.44 didn't have).
- 2400 bps US Robotics Courier external modem (that I paid $700
for new in 1985!)
With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
is out (they all require a 386 or better). I haven't found a text,
Windows-based web browser.
I've also used Nettamer. It is a DOS-based internet package.
To run internet stuff in DOS, you usually need to put together
several pieces of software: TCP/IP, PPP or SLIP dialler, packet
drivers, etc. Nettamer does all this in one package and does
e-mail, ftp, telnet, Usenet, and web browsing. Web browsing is basically
text-only, but you can view graphics with an included viewer
if you've got a VGA display. The version I tried (1.07) doesn't
do frames or image-maps, and forms are a bit brutal. For example,
I've used the Altavista search form with it, but I'd probably be
pretty confused if I hadn't used the form in Netscape on another
computer beforehand.
You should be able to find Nettamer on Simtelnet and other
software archives.
So, you will probably want to use Nettamer instead of the Windows
route unless:
- you've got a decent amount of RAM (4 meg was quite a lot for
a 286)
- you've got enough hard disk space
- you have to have a GUI.
Right now, we just use the e-mail, when we absolutely have to
have graphic web browsing, we'll buy a new Pentium machine.
Or maybe I'll find a 386 motherboard for free...
Hope this helps,
Clark Geisler
> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
> Internet
> e-mail:
>
> - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
[[[ snip ]]]
> With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
> Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
> is out (they all require a 386 or better).
Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my
trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything
PCish.
http://www.naf.cz/arachne/
It's also being distributed by Caldera as WebSpyder
http://www.caldera.com/
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> The Floating Point socket will take either a KEF11-AA chip which
> holds floating point microcode, or you can plug a FPF11 board in next
> to the CPU and run the jumper cable to the socket. The FPF11 is
> 5 to 6 times faster than a KEF11-AA (and was accordingly more expensive
I have machines with both and the difference is noticeable even with
fairly simple stuff.
> I think a Commercial Instruction Set (CIS) microcode option may have be
> available as well, but I've never seen it installed. I'd guess it
> would've plugged into the "Spare" socket.
My 11/23b(+) has the CIS and FPP board. The CIS goes into spare.
Allison
I found a picture of another M8186 on the internet. It has one chip on
it, the CPU (Dual chips on a single carrier). The other 3 sockets are
blank. Mine has 2 chips. CPU BLANK BLANK CHIP. I don't have the M8186
in front of me, but does anyone know what the extra chip is for?
In a message dated 97-07-08 09:35:55 EDT, you write:
jordi carceller wrote:
<< I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
Does any Winsock exist?
Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course)
Greetings,
Jordi Carceller
jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es >>
there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let
you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30
just to say i did it.
david
> I found a picture of another M8186 on the internet. It has one chip on
> it, the CPU (Dual chips on a single carrier). The other 3 sockets are
> blank. Mine has 2 chips. CPU BLANK BLANK CHIP. I don't have the M818
> in front of me, but does anyone know what the extra chip is for?
>FRom the edge of the board in toward the middle its
MMU, spare, floatingpoint, data/control.
A minimal board will have data/control double as that's the F11 cpu. It
will only be a 16 bit address. The MMU is was nearly standard and gave
18/22 bit addressing. Floating point was in two forms FIS chip,
Floatingpoint Instruction Set which were microcode for floating point
instructions or the M8188 module that actually did floating point in
hardware (2901s!). Other options are the CIS or Commercial instruction
set (aka cobal instruction set) and there was writeable control store
if you wanted to write custom microcode for things like bitblting or
emulation.
The 11/23 did not have I&D space like the later J-11 cpus.
The liniage for chip-11s is LSI11/03 (kd11-f quad width), LSI-11/2 (dual
width KD-11), LSI-11/23a (KDF-11A dual width), LSI11/23b(+) (KDF-11B quad
width), Then J-11 series.
Note while the books said the 11/23a (kdf-11a) was 18 bit I have found
many will operate as 22 bit. The KDF-11b was 22 bit addressing.
Allison
On 0 xxx 1980 MAILER-DAEMON(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote:
> > here's the choice: My 486 or the PDP?
>
> Hey - I'll take that 486 8-)
But it would be a LOT harder to get another PDP than another 486.
> I don't think V7 would fit on a RX02 - maybe an RL02. What you probably
> want is RT-11. Single user but with Foreground/Background tasking. Or
> you could try TSX? which is a multi-user RT-11 kinda sort of 8-) I have
> heard of but not seen one of these. Email me if you decide what you want.
Hmm... There's an RX02 boot though. Maybe it could boot of seperate
root/boot disks like Linux does? Of course, I can't build kernels as I
have no source, so that goes in the can. Basically, anything multi-user
would be cool, and TCP/IP would be a nice trick. BTW, which Unix was
first to have TCP/IP?
On 0 xxx 1980 MAILER-DAEMON(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote:
> [Another aside - you heard from Galesburg yet? Nothing on my end 8-( Once
> we get you a case, you can just hide the 486 inside and tell *them* its a
> terminal 8-) ]
That was the idea.
Oh and the floppy drives are f0, f1 etc. I think a question mark an the
Command? prompt will give you more commands, What version of Ctos is it?
----------
> From: thedm <thedm(a)sunflower.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies
> Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 5:33 AM
>
> Okay, [SyS][sys] is the first hard disk, then d1, d2 d3 etc
> It was strictly an office automation machine, usually it came with
Document
> designer, Office spreadsheet and Bmail. When it boots, it has a bunch of
> dots run across the screen, seems to me at this point it tells you the
> software license. The licenses are, standalone, 5user, 10 user, 25 user
and
> 48 user. These machines had the networking built in. There are two
RS422
> ports on the side, you can put 24 machines in a daisey chain on each
side.
> There is a surplus store here with buttloads of them and no one wants
them
> because they don't know what they are. These boxes are INtel based, but
> propriatary as hell. There is a DOS emulator available or was. Unissys
> currently owns this platform as of 1986, before then it was sperry, and
> then your model convergent, allthough convergent still made alot of the
> hardware under subcontract. If you ask me more specific questions I can
> probably remember more. It's been 5 years since I even touched one.
>
> ----------
> > From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros(a)u.washington.edu>
> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies
> > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 7:53 PM
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, thedm wrote:
> >
> > > Is this a little square box cpu with a buss on the side? and ad ons
> that
> > > lock onto the side of it? If it is I used to administer a Convergent
> > > network, it uses the BTOS/CTOS operating system and uses JCL for
batch
> > > programming. Its almost useless with out the native software and if I
> > > recall our licenses where about 10,000 for a 48 user network. They
do
> make
> > > a standalone version, but I'll be darned if i would ever know where
to
> find
> > > it.
> >
> > That'd be the one.
> >
> > It has an OS installed; with the CPU I also picked up a QIC unit, 10
meg
> > disk/floppy unit, a 'disk expansion' unit of unknown size (I'm short
one
> > power supply), and a GC-001 graphics unit, as well as boxes of QIC
tapes
> > and 360k floppies. The OS is installed along with lots of other stuff
of
> > unknown purpose on the hard disk/floppy box. It boots fine; I can play
a
> > little with it, but I really don't know what's there.
> >
> > I'm able to get file listings of [sys]<sys> which I'm assuming is the
> hard
> > disk.
> >
> > I wish there'd been an operator's manual in the lot..
> >
> > ok
> > -r
Okay, [SyS][sys] is the first hard disk, then d1, d2 d3 etc
It was strictly an office automation machine, usually it came with Document
designer, Office spreadsheet and Bmail. When it boots, it has a bunch of
dots run across the screen, seems to me at this point it tells you the
software license. The licenses are, standalone, 5user, 10 user, 25 user and
48 user. These machines had the networking built in. There are two RS422
ports on the side, you can put 24 machines in a daisey chain on each side.
There is a surplus store here with buttloads of them and no one wants them
because they don't know what they are. These boxes are INtel based, but
propriatary as hell. There is a DOS emulator available or was. Unissys
currently owns this platform as of 1986, before then it was sperry, and
then your model convergent, allthough convergent still made alot of the
hardware under subcontract. If you ask me more specific questions I can
probably remember more. It's been 5 years since I even touched one.
----------
> From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros(a)u.washington.edu>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 7:53 PM
>
> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, thedm wrote:
>
> > Is this a little square box cpu with a buss on the side? and ad ons
that
> > lock onto the side of it? If it is I used to administer a Convergent
> > network, it uses the BTOS/CTOS operating system and uses JCL for batch
> > programming. Its almost useless with out the native software and if I
> > recall our licenses where about 10,000 for a 48 user network. They do
make
> > a standalone version, but I'll be darned if i would ever know where to
find
> > it.
>
> That'd be the one.
>
> It has an OS installed; with the CPU I also picked up a QIC unit, 10 meg
> disk/floppy unit, a 'disk expansion' unit of unknown size (I'm short one
> power supply), and a GC-001 graphics unit, as well as boxes of QIC tapes
> and 360k floppies. The OS is installed along with lots of other stuff of
> unknown purpose on the hard disk/floppy box. It boots fine; I can play a
> little with it, but I really don't know what's there.
>
> I'm able to get file listings of [sys]<sys> which I'm assuming is the
hard
> disk.
>
> I wish there'd been an operator's manual in the lot..
>
> ok
> -r
