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by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Hi, folks, Well, Bill Whitson has said he was going to collect these, but I've not heard anything back from him since we missed each other last Sunday. With that in mind, and pending any objection from him, I am offering the following freebies to anyone who wants to pick them up from Kent, WA (southeast of Seattle). 9-track tape drive, GCR-capable, Pertec interface. Made by StorageTek. NOT OPERATIONAL -- needs work. NCR 'I-Tower' computer system, with some manuals and peripherals. Processor is a Motorola 68020 (I think). Condition unknown; fired up OK, but I had no console attached. Case has built-in UPS (batteries may need replacement). Various other odds and ends, including at least one 'tech special' UPS (not on strike) and anything else I feel like unloading on whatever vict... uhh, 'collector' shows up. ;-) Get back to me via E-mail if interested. Weekends work best. Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 8 months

CCC : Atari machines

by 107765.1161＠compuserve.com

Message text written by INTERNET:classiccmp@u.washington.edu >OK, here is the complete listing from the CCC of the machines made by Atari. < "Machines" really isn't the operative word; for instance, the list does not include the Atari Pong, 5200 and 7800 game consoles. I assume what you are trying to put together is a list of Atari "computers". That in turn takes some philosophical interpretation as to what constitutes a "computer". The 2600 game console is on the list; I assume it's there because Atari made a BASIC cartridge and a so-called "keyboard" controller for the unit, so it was technically possible to do some quasi-BASIC programming on it, not unlike a real computer. Of course, it only had something like 50 bytes of RAM available (not 50K bytes; just 50 bytes). The number of keys on the cheesy "keyboard" controllers were so few that each key had to do triple duty depending on what "color mode" it was in at the time. (If that didn't turn people off on BASIC programming, I don't know what would.) t had no way to attach a printer, and it could not save to or load from tape (or any other storage medium), so any programs developed could not be preserved. So, is that a "computer" or not? Then, Atari produced at least some "real" add-on keyboard units for the 2600. I believe they were originally called "The Graduate", but made it to market in 1982 as "My First Computer". They had 8K, expandable to 32K, and apparently saved/loaded from standard cassette units. So does the 2600 become a "real" computer at that point, and/or should "My First Computer" be listed instead or separately? (For that matter, the XE Game System, which is on the list, only becomes a "computer" when the separately-marketed keyboard is added to it; otherwise, it is strictly a cartridge game machine too.) Gil Parrish 107765.1161(a)compuserve.com

28 years, 8 months

XT COMPUTERS

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Quarterdeck QRAM only did that with NEAT or LEAP chip sets from Chips & Technologies, by using the shadow RAM mapping, and required 1MB on the motherboard, not 640K. I didn't think that was a significant enough market share to mention. It would also work with a LIM 4.0 EMS board as I mentioned earlier. Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 1:50 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: XT COMPUTERS > > Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > > On a 286, you could use various LIM 4.0 compliant expanded > > memory boards > > (e.g. Intel AboveBoard Plus) or a wacky device called an > > ALL Charge > > Card, along with special software to map memory into the > > location. > > Quarterdeck also had a program that would expand available > memory on a 286 above 640K called QRAM. I used to have it > many moons ago, but got rid of it when I was cleaning > house. Somehow, it also would map memory into the A000-AFFF > on a mono card, but would also make more memory available > even with the EGA card. Can't remember how though. >

28 years, 8 months

this list

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Well as much as I hate to do it, this will be my last message to this group for a while. Up until the first of the year, I'll be on the road anywhere from 10 to 30+ days at a time, and this group generates far too many messages for me to allow it to build up between retrievals! For those of you that I deal with quite a bit, as well as those who might find info that may be of interest to me and wish to send it, my email address below will still be valid. I've gotten a lot out of this group, so keep up the good work! Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Amiga enthusiast and collector of early, classic microcomputers http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

28 years, 8 months

Us Computer Exchange

by dastar＠crl.com

A guy sent me e-mail soliciting some old computer stuff to sell. Here's what he told me he has: Lots of DEC stuff: PDP-11/70s MicroVax(en) Tape Drives, etc. Parts, etc. A couple Intel development computers. Didn't go too much into detail about these other than the fact that they have dual 8" drives. Sounds neat. This guy is Rob Campbell. He is in Detroit, Michigan. His number is (248) 583-9000. Call him, talk to him. Sounds like a reasonable guy. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 8 months

11/23 Finally Works!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I dropped in the 11/23+ CPU and everything worked fine, except that my EDSI harddisk has bought the big one... According to ROM diags, I have EIS and FIS for CPU options and 1024Kwords RAM. I plugged in my Infinite Loop and it ran. The one-instruction infinite loop doesn't work, at 1000 it jumps to 1006 (JMP (PC)). And the RX02 responds NO DISK, which is correct. Now all I need to do is go find an operating system! Does anyone have any programs or etc. that can be dropped in core with ODT?

28 years, 8 months

HHC docs (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Anyone want any EPROMS? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: Re: HHC docs Sam, Will do.It'll be out to you tomorrow first thing.Incidentally you might ask that gentleman or any other interested parties for that matter if they have a need for HHC eproms.I have a little over 5000 of them which I've been offered a nominal salvage value for and I'll probably unload the whole batch fairly soon. Regards,Mike

28 years, 8 months

Effort

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Paul, Sent this to the list. as it's generally useful. <I think I've got an old rx33-but how would I plug it in? Vs2000? there is a 60-70 pin header that takes a decunique cable the breaks it down the floppy and mfm hard disks. MVII can use a PC floppy cable to the first non twist cable. also It can use PC MFM HD cables to the drive. <And, what about non-DEC mfm drives-- can the hardware read them, but not VM dec name COMMON NAME size RD51 st412 10mb RD52 quantum q540 ~35mb RD53 micropolus 1325 ~71mb RD54 maxtor-2190 ~159mb RD31 ST225 ~20mb RD32 St251 ~40mb This is important to dec software, and booting. Any other drive with the same number heads, cylinders, and tracks can be used as it will map to a known(to the rom) drive. Other drives can be used if the OS knows it and can boot from the known hard drive, floppy or net via mop boot. Allison

28 years, 8 months

New boards! Vax/10/11/8!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I got a whole box of interesting boards! PDP-11 BOARDS: M7264 - PDP11/03 processor, 4k ram, all 4 chip sockets used. Two of these. M8012-YA - Terminators+bootstraps. Two of these. M8716 - DR11-W DMA INTERFACE, DR11-B IN HEX M8728 - 64K MOS MEMORY M8189 - 11/23+ CPU!! This goes in mine! 2 CPUs and an MMU? PDP-8 BOARDS: M8310 - Reg control for KK8E M8300 - Major regs for KK8E M8350 - Pos. IO bus interface M8341 - EAE REGISTER CONTROL M8340 - EAE INSTRUCTION DECODER M8655 - KL8-J, KL8-KA, QUAD, 110 to 9600 CONT, Two of these. DEC10 BOARDS: M8603 - Massbus interface data board M8521 - CACHE DATA M8580 - MF20 DUAL TRANSLATOR, Two of these. M8604 - DX20 MASSBUS INTERFACE CONTROL, HEX M8571 - LP20 DATA PATH W LA180 CAPABILITY M8605 - DX20, DATA PATH BUFFER STORAGE M8743-AF - 1 Meg ECC RAM M8606 - DX20, DATA PATH FORMATTER M8607 - DX20, IBM CHANNEL BUS INTERFACE FOR DX20-C M8558-C - KI MEMORY BUS ADAPTER. Marked "BAD FOR KL10" Doesn't LOOK bad... M8723 - ??? M8579 - MF20-M, 256K 11-bit MOS RAM. Fifteen of these! M8585 - LP20 TRANSLATION RAM. Two of these. M8586 - LP20 CONTROL. M8516 - ECL to TTL translator VAX BOARDS: These make an 11/785 CPU, I think... M7459 - TRS, TERMINATOR & SILO, 11/785 M7463 - KA785, CDM, CACHE DATA MATRIX M7474 - KA785, CLK, CPU CLOCK M7462 - KA785, CAM, CACHE ADDR MATRIX M7475 - KA785, JCS, JOINT CONTROL STORE M7467 - KA785, DEP, CPU DATA PATH "B" M7472 - KA785, CEH, CONDITION CODES, EXCEPTIONS, HIGH BITS M7473 - KA785, ICL, (INTERRUPT CONTROL, LOW BITS) M7476 - KA785, USC, MICRO SEQUENCER CONTROL M7477 - KA785, CIB, CPU CONSOLE INTERFACE M7460 - KA785, SBL, SBI CPU LOW BITS INTERFACE How many more do I need to finish a KA785? And when I get them, can I drop this in a Unibus or is it a special bus?

28 years, 8 months

(fwd) 3b2 FS or For Grabs

by pcoad＠crl.com

Found this in comp.sys.3b1. It could be a pretty good deal if you are in the NY area. It may not yet quite yet be a classic, but it should be soon. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saved From The Dumpster Collection: http://www.crl.com/~pcoad/machines.html -- forwarded message -- Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.3b1,comp.sys,nonpc Path: nnrp1.crl.com!news.znet.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!hotmomma!hotmomma!biancx!larry From: larry(a)biancx.com (Larry Racies) Subject: 3b2 FS or For Grabs Message-ID: <EELo6G.85y(a)biancx.com> Organization: Newsreel Service Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:56:40 GMT Lines: 11 Xref: nnrp1.crl.com comp.sys.att:7992 comp.sys.3b1:8535 comp.sys:574 T&T 3b2-400 in a 310 case SVR3 installed Plus 16 AT&T manuals and a few floppies. You name it. Located in NY City. Pick it up and take it away. Larry

28 years, 8 months

XT COMPUTERS

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi René, I guess that would be my specialty. The PC memory map looks like this: C000 - FFFF - Various open areas depending on the individual machine, plus the BIOS B800 - BFFF - Low resolution (CGA or EGA/VGA low res/text) video (if present) B000 - B7FF - Monochrome adapter (if present) A000 - AFFF - High resolution (EGA/VGA) video (if present) 0000 - 9FFF- Base 640K I think what you mean is you'd like to use the high resolution area from A000-AFFF to increase base RAM size. The low resolution area is not contiguous with base RAM so it can't be used to increase base RAM size. The trick is, there is no RAM in this location that you can use to increase the base memory. So, you have to put RAM there somehow (no, video RAM won't work). There are various methods to do this. On a 386 or above, the virtual memory management allows a 386-up memory manager such as EMM386, QEMM386, or 386MAX to map memory into that location. On a 286, you could use various LIM 4.0 compliant expanded memory boards (e.g. Intel AboveBoard Plus) or a wacky device called an ALL Charge Card, along with special software to map memory into the location. On an 8088, you had to use a special card, which was a very simple device containing 64K or more of RAM, along with address selection switches. The card would map RAM into that location, and came with software to extend apparent DOS RAM. Kai > ---------- > From: SSE Technical Support > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 12:18 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: FW: XT COMPUTERS > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr. Self Destruct [SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu] > Sent: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 19:26 > To: Rene van der Meer > Subject: Re: XT COMPUTERS > > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rene van der Meer wrote: > > > Hi my name is René > > Hello. > > > I am looking for a program that allows me to break the 640kb and > uses the > > cga memory address to make 768kb I am not sure if this exists I > belief so.. > > I've heard of such programs, but many were machine specific and/or > flaky. > I'd recommend asking the fellows at the classic computer mailing list > at: > "classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu" > > > it is for a KAYPRO XL > > my direst computer that I ever had... > > please help me ... > > my e-mail address is renemeer(a)xs4all.nl > > I to like old junk > > Glad to hear that! > Les >

28 years, 8 months

Second Test

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<chats scheduled and publicised. A look at the S-100 would be <interesting. being as s100 has been my base of ops for z80(and others) for many years it would be more interesting to me as well. Allison

28 years, 8 months

Second Test

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 01:43:36 -0500, Brett spake thusly unto us: > Allison, Andy, Brett, Carl, Frank McConnell, Guest, Jim Willing, Kai, > Thorhallur, Zane, dseagrave, and spc all came over to the chatroom. > A good discussion about TI Silent 700's ensued. I either arrived late for the S700 chat, or departed early, so I missed it. The software seems to work well enough, although it some- times slowed to a crawl (which could have been my comms line). Next time, I'll try to be _awake_! (And running a different browser - I think Lynx may be excellent for the task.) > I don't know if this is something anybody wants to use. On the surface of it, it looked very interesting; I'm certainly game for another round. The only fly-in-the-ointment is getting chats scheduled and publicised. A look at the S-100 would be interesting. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

28 years, 8 months

The strange devices that were pictured.

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I've been snooping around and I think that box with the label Supra on it, is an external SCSI HOST adapter for an ATARI ST.

28 years, 8 months

Free things available for UK collectors...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Just found this in uk.comp.misc... Does anybody out there collect old Prime kit. IBM, DEC, DG seem to be popular, so what is it about Primes that make them unpopular. I have enquired about the size of this Prime because I know they made a small 50 series machine because we used to have one when I worked for Computervision. ------- Forwarded Message From: Kevin Bradly <sales(a)bradassoc.co.uk> Newsgroups: uk.comp.misc Subject: Old equipment (Prime, Sun386 etc.) for FREE Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:47:01 +0100 Organization: Bradly Associates Ltd Message-ID: <3wf0lAAF0t6zEABY(a)bradassoc.co.uk> Hi We have some redundant computer equipment that we are happy to give away for free providing it is collected from our premises. The following is available: PRIME 2350, 4Mb memory, 258Mb disk, 60Mb tape cartridge Mag-Tape unit, PT250 terminal SUN 386i workstation, 8Mb memory, 327Mb disk, 19" colour monitor, 60Mb tape cartidge DEC Rainbow PC100+, 10Mb disk, graphics board, MS-DOS, MS-Fortran. DEC VT125 graphics terminal, greyscale, 768 x 480 resolution PERICOM 7350 colour graphics terminal, 19" monitor, 1024 x 768 PERICOM MG200 B/W graphics terminal SIGMA 5688 colour graphics terminal Please help me clear some space in our office or suggest any other good rest-homes for this old retired equipment. Kevin Bradly Bradly Associates Ltd Manhattan House 140 High Street Crowthorne Berks. RG45 7AY UK Tel: +44 (0) 1344 779381 Fax: +44 (0) 1344 773168 e-mail: sales(a)bradassoc.co.uk URL: http://www.bradassoc.co.uk/ ------- End of Forwarded Message

28 years, 8 months

CCC : Atari machines

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I recently aquired a 1040 STf, what's the deal with the f designator, anyone know? Im still workin on finding a monitor. ---------- > From: Hans Pufal <hans1(a)filan00.grenoble.hp.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: CCC : Atari machines > Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 12:19 AM > > OK, here is the complete listing from the CCC of the machines made by > Atari. Please consult your favorite references and confirm/deny or > complete the missing data. > > I would like a month/year for the first customer shipment or the first > public working demonstration of the machines. Please provide references > where possible, if they are on-line then so much the better. > > I am also planning to extend the information per machine to include data > about processor used, word-size, memory configurations etc. so feel free > to add that data also. > > I have set the reply to address to my personal Email so as not to > clutter the mail list. You can always go to the CCC to recover the > updated data. If there are enopugh requests I can post an updated > preview table here before the CCC gets updated. > > I would also be interested in a potted history of the manufacturer, date > started where located and significant events in its history. I know most > of this is probably available on the NET for Atari, but not for some of > the more obscure companies. > > CCC list for Atari > > I think I am correct in saying that all Atari machines were designed in > the USA. > > 400 Dec-78 > 800 1979 > 1200XL 1982 > 600XL 1983 > 800XL 1983 > 1040 ST 1985 > 130XE 1985 > 520 STfm 1985 > 520 ST Jan-85 > 65XE Jan-85 > Mega ST 1987 > Mega STe 1987 > XE Game system 1987 > STe 1990 > TT 1990 > 1024 STe > 1040 STf > 1040 STfm > 260 ST > 2600 > 520 ST+ > 520 STe > 520 STm > 800XE > ATR-8000 > Falcon 16 > Mega 1 > Mega 4 > STacy > STbook > TT/16 > > Thanks for you help > > Hans B Pufal

28 years, 8 months

FW: XT COMPUTERS

by rene＠spartacom.nl

-----Original Message----- From: Mr. Self Destruct [SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu] Sent: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 19:26 To: Rene van der Meer Subject: Re: XT COMPUTERS On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rene van der Meer wrote: > Hi my name is René Hello. > I am looking for a program that allows me to break the 640kb and uses the > cga memory address to make 768kb I am not sure if this exists I belief so.. I've heard of such programs, but many were machine specific and/or flaky. I'd recommend asking the fellows at the classic computer mailing list at: "classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu" > it is for a KAYPRO XL > my direst computer that I ever had... > please help me ... > my e-mail address is renemeer(a)xs4all.nl > I to like old junk Glad to hear that! Les

28 years, 8 months

Second Test

by danjo＠xnet.com

Allison, Andy, Brett, Carl, Frank McConnell, Guest, Jim Willing, Kai, Thorhallur, Zane, dseagrave, and spc all came over to the chatroom. A good discussion about TI Silent 700's ensued. The largest number at one time was 7 and it didn't even dent my ISP. Well, as far as I know 8-) For most of us this is something we have heard about but not really tried. Bill Kendrick's Free Chat seems to be pretty good but not really ready for heavy usage. I am in comms with him to see if we can't get it beefed up. The next release is supposed to have multiple chatrooms so we could have a wider range of subjects. I don't know if this is something anybody wants to use. There can be a log of messages that could be condensed to keep everybody informed of any info that is dispensed on the chatroom. This is basically a test for Special Chats - in which case I think the usage would go heavier than 7 - maybe upto 40 at one time. Maybe we could have something like PDP-11 nights or Amiga nights or something like that. I would like to get *authorities* involved. Maybe "Dr. S-100" would like to host a S-100 run - something that is useful anyway. BC

28 years, 8 months

Right Now!

by danjo＠xnet.com

We are running the Chatroom again for another test - come join us! We are trying to bring my ISP to it knees - don't worry - can't happen. URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/chat/ The Chat software will belly up LONG before the server 8-) We will be on until - oh Midnight CST - maybe 8-) BC

28 years, 8 months

Help identify these hardware items! (picture links)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Please help identify these pieces of hardware! I finally got around to shooting some pictures of these to help ID them. Item #1: An 8080 prototype board. Who made this? http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I001.JPG Item #2: A SCSI hard disk interface box for some home computer. It has a 50-pin female edge connector on the left, an edge connector on the upper right labeled 'printer' and a 50-pin male pin connector for the hard disk. What machine is this for? http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I002.JPG Item #3: A front panel. The switches are labeled CLR, STP, MRD, MWR, ADR, EXE and numbers 2 through 15. What mainframe did this come from? http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I004.JPG Item #4: Another front panel. No bezel on this one. Has black IMSAI-style paddle switches and a hex keypad. http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I005.JPG thanks all! Kai

28 years, 8 months

DEC Floppy Disks for ???

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< <BA-F021I-MC <CZZMCI0 DYDP+3 LSI-11 #1 Marvin, For the clue impaired , the machine is LSI-11 Aka PDP-11. Those are what are known as xxdp diagnostics for rx02. they are quit hand to hae if you have a pdp11. Allison

28 years, 8 months

Need to make bootable TK50 tape

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Hi, folks, I've been loaned the full-service diagnostics tape for the MicroVAX II. I've attempted to copy said tape using a pair of SCSI TK50 drives and a binary (bit-by-bit) image copy utility. It didn't work. For some bizarre reason, I cannot boot from the copy. Question: Short of installing a second TK50 in the MicroVAX long enough to make a mirror-image copy under VMS (which is something else I don't know how to do yet), what can I do here? This is a limited-time deal; I do need to have the tape back to its original owners next week. Another question: Can I initialize the target tape with VMS in some way to make it bootable, and then copy the diags from the source tape? Please help! If I can solve this, I'll be able to archive the thing on CD-ROM and make the image available to other MicroVAXen owners. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 8 months

DEC Floppy Disks for ???

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Marvin, <I figured they were probably for the LSI-11 but beyond that, I didn't <have a clue. I have several PDP computers including the 8i, 05, and <23. Are these similar to the paper tape diagnostics for the PDP 8? They are not like the PDP-8 tapes, though some similarity may exist. They would be usable for the 23 if it has rx02. <Also, is the disk format such that they have to be read on a DEC <computer or can they be read on other machines? Thanks! The dydp are RX02 so the answer is directly, no. if it was a dxdp set the answer is yes as that would be RX01 (standard single density 8"). They can be transfered to rx01(or tu58, rl01/2, rk05, magtape) and made bootable. so if you have a working PDP-11 (most any) with RX02 you can make them rx01 and then readable by other systems, executeable is another matter as they are written in PDP-11 code. Allison

28 years, 8 months

1040STf

by idavis＠comland.com

At 08:20 AM 8/7/97 -0500, Bill Girnius wrote: >I recently aquired a 1040 STf, what's the deal with the f designator, >anyone know? Im still workin on finding a monitor. > >---------- Bill, STF means ST+internal _F_loppy drive. There is a good web page with a bunch of ST stats and info at: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/aseabrook/a_models.htm Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer, idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List - indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html

28 years, 8 months

CCC : Atari machines

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Hi again. :) I can't add much, as I only recently started looking into Atari history, but the 800xe was released in 1985, and the portfolio, if you choose to include it, in 1988. Hope it helps a bit, Adam.

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