Ok, my friend gave me two DMC systems this weekend. Never heard of DMC
and I'm hoping someone else has.
The box is about 12" high, 19" wide and about 18" deep. The front panel
has a POWER and RESET switch. It says "DMC" and under that "Division of
Cetec Corporation". It also says "COMMFILE". I'm assuming that's the
name of this system. On the back serial number sticker, one says model
125 and the other model 130. The difference seems to be in the number of
serial ports and RAM each has. Both have two integrated 8" disk drives.
Inside we find a card cage with 8 slots. The cards at first look like
S-100 but upon closer inspection (and a count) I noticed that they
actually have 60 conductors on the each side of the edge connector. On
the component side, conductors 12-51 are common. The cards are about 1.5
times the height of a typical S-100 board, and the same width. The CPU
board has an 8080 on it.
There are two serial ports on the back of each, one labeled "OPERATOR
CONSOLE" and the other "MODEM".
I got two 8" floppies (hacked into double-sided) with the system. Only
one seems to boot. I plugged a terminal into the operator console port
and booted the disk (it only takes about 2 seconds) and get:
READY (V7.0)
and then a flashing cursor. Haven't figured out any commands yet,
because anytime I type anything I get:
?? INVALID COMMAND
and then the READY prompt.
Anyone know what I've got? I don't know if my friend knows but he wasn't
around when I picked them up so I haven't had a chance to ask him. My
guess is he knows nothing about them anyway. He's been sitting on them
for years and finally decided he was sick of them taking up space in his
room.
Any help would be appreciated.
Sam
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> > Anyone ever heard of "Laser Magnetic Storage Co."? They made mass
> > storage
> > devices...I'm trying to find a driver.
> >
> > Thanks
> > manney(a)nwohio.com
> They are part of Philips, they still operate as Philips-LMS and now make
> optical drives sold under the Philips brand.
>
> James
Thanks a lot! I'll check.
Manney
Here's a link to a series of historic photos.
Sorry for wasted bandwidth if everybody knows about this!
http://ftp.arl.mil/ftp/historic-computers/
Kevin
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Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD
mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca
In a message dated 97-09-01 05:59:08 EDT, you write:
<< >John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
>
>> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by
>> Ohio
>> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one?
>
>Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P,
>S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a
>friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would
be
>interested in any information you find out about this machine!
>>
I have the C1P model which came with some interesting sale documentation and
even some program printouts by someone who was actually using it. it also
have what appears to be a tech. reference manual and board schematics. i dont
have a scanner, but I suppose I could use the copier at work if theres a need
for this material.
david
>John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
>
>> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by
>> Ohio
>> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one?
>
>Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P,
>S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a
>friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would be
>interested in any information you find out about this machine!
I don't have much, but I can give some of what I know. Ohio Scientific
made, or so I gather, four 8 bit home computers - the C1P, C2P, C4P and
C8P. Most of my info seems to be on the C8P, which was regarded as The Home
Computer of the Future largely due to its ability to control your security
system, electrical appliances (like lights), smoke alarms and so on, as
well as being able to dial up the police when needed.
The C2P, according to the little I have here, was a CIP with more ports, as
the IP had but one. Thus the info I have on specs is mostly for the 1P, not
the 2P, so I will give that in case it helps.
Anyway, the IP is said to have been the first fully packaged home computer
that you could just plug in and use. It came with either the MOS 6502 or
Motorola 6800 cpu as standard (depending on your requirements) and had a
CPU expansion board, allowing the addition of a Z80 or one of several other
popular CPU's. It had a standard 53 key keyboard, upper and lower case
letters, and 64 char by 24 line mono video. 4k or 12K RAM was standard,
with8k BASIC in ROM.
Sorry that I don't have more, but my interest tends to lie in the history,
rather than the specs. Just for fun, it is worth noting that Ohio
Scientific is noted for being the first PC Company to have a woman (Charity
Engel Cheiky, I think) as President.
Adam.
I recently aquired a 1040STe and STf as well. It's a great machine, If you
need a monitor for one I know where you can get a color 14inch stereo
monitor for 85.00. This machine will do Slip, PPP and do just about
anything a PC will do on the web, {with some upgrades} the Atari ST's were
very cool machines I've found. If you need any info or help with the Atari,
don't hesitate to ask, Its a wonderful fun machine.
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> From: Adam Jenkins <adam(a)merlin.net.au>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Challenger 2P
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 9:45 PM
>
> >John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
> >
> >> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by
> >> Ohio
> >> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one?
> >
> >Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model
C2-4P,
> >S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from
a
> >friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also
would be
> >interested in any information you find out about this machine!
>
> I don't have much, but I can give some of what I know. Ohio Scientific
> made, or so I gather, four 8 bit home computers - the C1P, C2P, C4P and
> C8P. Most of my info seems to be on the C8P, which was regarded as The
Home
> Computer of the Future largely due to its ability to control your
security
> system, electrical appliances (like lights), smoke alarms and so on, as
> well as being able to dial up the police when needed.
>
> The C2P, according to the little I have here, was a CIP with more ports,
as
> the IP had but one. Thus the info I have on specs is mostly for the 1P,
not
> the 2P, so I will give that in case it helps.
>
> Anyway, the IP is said to have been the first fully packaged home
computer
> that you could just plug in and use. It came with either the MOS 6502 or
> Motorola 6800 cpu as standard (depending on your requirements) and had a
> CPU expansion board, allowing the addition of a Z80 or one of several
other
> popular CPU's. It had a standard 53 key keyboard, upper and lower case
> letters, and 64 char by 24 line mono video. 4k or 12K RAM was standard,
> with8k BASIC in ROM.
>
> Sorry that I don't have more, but my interest tends to lie in the
history,
> rather than the specs. Just for fun, it is worth noting that Ohio
> Scientific is noted for being the first PC Company to have a woman
(Charity
> Engel Cheiky, I think) as President.
>
> Adam.
>
Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by Ohio
Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one?; 2. ATARI 1040STF with
mouse; 3. A IBM 5110, had to leave the 8inch drive unit and the printer no
more in car; 4. Tandy FD 501 unit; 5. IBM tape unit Type 3363; 6. SUN SPARC
station 1 model147; 7. CPT9000; and 8. Nextstation and color monitor. Now to
get it all cleaned up and working.
At 07:42 AM 30/08/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Adam Jenkins wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair
>> ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years
>> ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one
>> of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly
>> significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK.
>>
>> Anyway, it's at:
>>
>> http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts
>>
>> and all the standard disclaimers apply. :)
>>
>> Adam.
>
>Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried
>e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer.
>Fullstop.
>
>Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know.
>However their kits are American and that means that the
>machines will NOT work in UK.
>
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the ZX81 a UK machine? I was under
the understanding that it was sold in North America as the TS1000
(Timex/Sinclair). I'm pretty sure the ZX81 was made in the UK (at least
that's what mine says on the case).
Of course I'm not sure if it was made in the UK for a North American market...
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______________________________________________Live from the GLRS
The Man From D.A.D
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The ZX81 was sold in both the US and the UK, the US version had a VHF RF
modulator and the UK version had a UHF modulator.
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> From: Alan Richards <alanr(a)morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Sinclair kits
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 12:24 AM
>
> At 07:42 AM 30/08/97 +0200, you wrote:
> >Adam Jenkins wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling
Sinclair
> >> ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits
years
> >> ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting
one
> >> of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly
> >> significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK.
> >>
> >> Anyway, it's at:
> >>
> >> http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts
> >>
> >> and all the standard disclaimers apply. :)
> >>
> >> Adam.
> >
> >Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried
> >e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer.
> >Fullstop.
> >
> >Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know.
> >However their kits are American and that means that the
> >machines will NOT work in UK.
> >
>
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the ZX81 a UK machine? I was under
> the understanding that it was sold in North America as the TS1000
> (Timex/Sinclair). I'm pretty sure the ZX81 was made in the UK (at least
> that's what mine says on the case).
> Of course I'm not sure if it was made in the UK for a North American
market...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS
> The Man From D.A.D
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
CLASSICCMP READERS: Please pardon the CC. I'm still not sure that Tim is
able to receive mail from me for whatever reason.
Ok... here's the current status. I've used SYSGEN as you described, reset
a couple of cards as needed to correct some mis-set addresses, and put
everything back together.
I've used AUTOCONFIG ALL /SELECT=(PU,PT,XQ,TX). This should have
configured the tapes, the disks, the DELQA, and the DHV11.
I then issued the commands:
SYSGEN> WRITE ACTIVE
SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT
SYSGEN> EXIT
I then shut down and rebooted. However, the second TK50 still does not
appear to be available under any of the device names. It should, I thought,
come up as MUB0:, PUA0: or PUB0:. I cannot mount it under any of those
designators. At this point, I am reinstalling OpenVMS 6.2 from scratch on
another drive. I'll see what happens then.
I've borrowed some documentation that covers SYSGEN, but either I'm not
doing something right or I've overlooked something so basic that either one
of us might take it for granted.
Could the problems I've been having with the license management affect it?
As soon as I get the hardware issues dealt with, I can -- FINALLY!! --
copy that stupid tape!
Please let me know if you receive this in your E-mail box or only from
CLASSICCMP. Thanks in advance.
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Wont they work if you just get an PAL RF modulator? Or don't install the
modulator and just use a composite monitor.
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> From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Sinclair kits
> Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 12:42 AM
>
> Adam Jenkins wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling
Sinclair
> > ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits
years
> > ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting
one
> > of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly
> > significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK.
> >
> > Anyway, it's at:
> >
> > http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts
> >
> > and all the standard disclaimers apply. :)
> >
> > Adam.
>
> Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried
> e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer.
> Fullstop.
>
> Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know.
> However their kits are American and that means that the
> machines will NOT work in UK.
>
> Good luck.
>
> enrico
> --
> ============================================================
> Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K.
> tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile
> website: <http://www.Brighton-UK.com>
> ============================================================
>
Ok, I picked up some keen stuff today that I'd like to hopefully get some
information for.
1. Tektronix 4041 Computer/Controller.
Now this is neat. Unfortunately it doesn't do a whole lot at the moment.
First a description: its about 8" wide by 8" high (front) by 2' long. It
has a built-in 20 column thermal printer and a DC-100 tape drive. The
front panel consists of a numeric keypad plus some other special function
keys, an LED display and some status LEDs. I opened it up and found that
it is a 68000 based system. It seems to use an S-100 bus, since the cards
have S-100 edge connectors. It has four slots, and two of the slots are
filled. One has the CPU card with the 68000 processor. The other is a
Standard I/O card. The two other slots are Read/Write Memory (RAM) and an
Option Card slot. The front panel also has a slot for a ROM pack. The
ROM pack is a tray that pulls out and has two ROM packs plugged in with
room for 4 more ROM packs. The ROM packs included allow for BASIC
programming. On the back is an RS-232C port and a GP-IB (IEEE488) port.
It is circa 1981.
When I first booted it up the printer started spitting out paper. The
next time I turned it on only the power LED came on. I then turned it
off and opened up the cover to examine its innards. I pulled each card
and checked them out then replaced them. I turned it back on and this
time got "SELF TEST" on the display. It never does anything after that.
I got two manuals with it, and of what I've read so far, the self test
should check all the controllers for the tape drive, the printer, the
front panel, and perform other diagnostics, then show the ROM version,
but it never does this. I'm wondering if a lack of a RAM card is the
culprit.
This system also came with an optional programming keyboard, which was
just a full size keyboard for entering in programs.
If anyone can shed any light on this sucker and what else it could do I
would appreciate it. I remember seeing in a book I have a picture of the
graphics output of some Tektronix computer on a screen. I can't remember
what book this was in or even where that book may be. I wonder if this
is the system that produced that output?
2. A Lynx 460 Floppy Drive Alignment Tester. It has two connectors for
8" and 5.25" floppy drives. It has all sorts of toggle switches on it for
selecting the drive (1, 2, 3 or 4), the head (1 or 0), the track address,
etc. It also has status LEDs to show, for instance, Amplitude, Radial,
Head Load, etc. Not that I know what any of this means (not yet at
least, I got it with manuals and the manuals have a nice introduction to
disk drive theory of operation). Anyway, apparently you use this in
conjunction with alignment disks. Looks like a cool box (it's very
small, the size of a notebook) that will come in handy in years to come.
Any further information on either of these would be appreciated.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Would others on the list like to help this fellow out? Bet he'll get some
interesting recollections from this bunch. ;-)
Please respond directly to the author. Also, Bill Whitson has indicated
he'll try again, this weekend, to make it to my place. Let's all root for
him, OK? ;-)
Attachment follows.
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>From: andrewl(a)rd.bbc.co.uk (Andrew Lipscombe)
>Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 12:31:54 BST
>To: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net
>Subject: Old data storage devices
>
>I am currently researching into the history of off-line and on-line storage
>as part of a project. Specifically I am looking for information regarding
>what $100 (or 100 pounds) would buy at five year intervals from 1960, 1965
>etc up to the present day. Or the price per megabyte at the same interval.
>
>Any information you can provide with regards to price of tape, disk,
>paper/punchcard, drum etc storage since the first RAMAC would be very useful
>indeed. There are several graphs available for predicting future trends, but
>I am looking specifically for data from the past. It doesn't have to be
comprehensive info, in fact just a few ballpark figures would do very nicely!
>
>In fact I'm after any half-remembered original prices of any hard or floppy
>drives that you may have acquired!
>
>Thanks in advance for your help,
>
>Andrew Lipscombe
>BBC R&D
>
>ps if you can't help, could you please pass this message onto someone who
might
>be able to. Cheers
>
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
I've been in correspondence with a fellow who's got a lot of older VAXen,
Q-Bus, and disk drive goodies. He may also have some mainframe stuff. I've
already claimed a QBus-to-SA1000 disk interface board set.
Please contact him directly if you want more details. Thanks!
Attachment follows.
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>Reply-To: <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>From: edick(a)idcomm.com (Richard Erlacher)
>To: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net>
>Subject: Re: Q-bus cards.
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:44:45 -0600
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155
>
>Nope . . . it's just junk in the basement from back when I was contemplating
>building up a Q-bus system. I quickly gave up on that one . . .
>
>You cover the freight. Probably $3 per board via USPS priority mail would
>cover it. Q-bus SCSI cards from makers like EMULEX were still very hot
when I
>got this 2-board set. I looked at the size of the project, and looked at the
>product I'd have when the work was done, and quit right there. I had some
>memory cards, and even an 11-780 (VAX) rack pair, but without drives or
memory
>cards. One trip down the stairs with that convinced me I didn't want any
more
>of that stuff. ]]
>
>I still have a few dumb terminals (not ANSI) and a few old printers. I even
>have a SASI interfaced hard drive, complete with the bridge controller
>(SA1000). Mostly, I have old 70's and 80's S-100 stuff..
>
>If you're interested in the drives which go with the controller, you need to
>consider that I'm in Denver and that the drives weigh about 25-30#.
>
>I am, incidentally, not a collector at all, just a guy who bought a lot of
>stuff which he doesn't need any more at high prices and hasn't the heart
>(sense) to junk it. I am, an electronics engineer and used to use some of
this
>stuff for one thing or another.
>
>I can attempt to make a list of what's just lying about. As I wrote before,
>much of it is in the basement because I can't carry it up by myself, else it
>would have been gone long ago.
>
>
>----------
>> From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net>
>> To: edick(a)idcomm.com
>> Subject: Re: Q-bus cards.
>> Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 20:56 PM
>>
>> At 18:10 28-08-97 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks for the WD7000 drivers, etc. I have an item you might like to
>> consider,
>> >namely a Q-bus to ST1000 (Shugart 8") hard drive adapter. Actually, it's
>two
>> >cards.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> You're most welcome, and yes, I would most definitely be interested! (for
>> the collection value if nothing else). Would you want any actual cash for
>> it or would I just need to cover the shipping?
>>
>> > Now that's an oddity if ever there was one, and, in fact, I could even
>> >send you a drive or two, (I think) though I'm not certain they haven't
been
>> >recycled, since there's a significant amount of scrap aluminum
involved. I
>> >have LOTS of late '70's through 80's computer equipment. Much of it too
>> heavy
>> >to toss, else it would already be gone. Let me know if there's something
>> >specific you want. Perhaps I have it!
>>
>> Well, I have been keeping an eye out for a QBus-to-SCSI board, though that
>> may be a little late-model for the collection it sounds like you have.
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> 1). Where are you located?
>>
>> 2). Since it sounds like you're a collector, would you be interested in
>> subscribing to a listserver, out of the University of Washington, with a
>> bunch of other collectors on there? If not, I can forward a list of
>> whatever you'd like to get rid of to the list.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
>> (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net)
>> http://www.wizards.net/technoid
>> "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
>> human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
>
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Hi,
Last weekend I was lucky enough to find a pallet of Apple II stuff (2
complete systems, and lots of cool things), and amongst everything was a
copy of a book called the "Apple II User's Guide" published back in '81 by
Osbourne/McGraw-Hill.
In this book under the chapter on Drives I found that it talks about three
types of disks; Hard Disks, Winchester Disks, and Diskettes. It also has a
picture for each, and it's the picture of the "Hard Disk System" that
interests me. It appears to be a Rack Mounted enclosure for a Removable
Disk pack. I can't see how many platters the pack has (the cover is white
plastic), but I would guess between 2 and 4. It has four square push
buttons (looks like the kind that light up), and two small lights.
Basically it looks like a "Micro" version of the disk packs I used to use
on Honeywell and UNISYS Mainframes. The photo was courtesy of "Cameo
Electronics", and I can see their logo on part of the case.
The text says the disks cost about $150 each and the drives between
$3000-10000. All in all a very fascinating looking peice of hardware!
I've never seen anything like them other than on mainframes, were these
very common?
Zane
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<From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com>
<In this book under the chapter on Drives I found that it talks about three
<types of disks; Hard Disks, Winchester Disks, and Diskettes. It also has
Funny most hard disks are winchester in base technology even if they are
removable!... The osborne folks tended to make strange distinctions.
<The text says the disks cost about $150 each and the drives between
<$3000-10000. All in all a very fascinating looking peice of hardware!
<I've never seen anything like them other than on mainframes, were these
<very common?
A common one was the CDC hawk drives at 10mb per pack. As they were often
more expensive than the cpu they were on they were not frequently seen on
the likes of apples and s100 systems. They were more often seen on Novas,
PDP-8s, PDP-11s and other minis. The larger multiplatter drives were even
to costly for the smaller minis and were seen at those sites that had the
larger PDP11s or even bigger machines.
Back in 1980 a Hawk (10meg) was something close to twice the price of a
complete NorthStar* Horizion with two floppies, 64k and terminal. Two years
later non removable drive would be quite cheap compared to that but
removeable platter drives would still command a premium. Now a Zip drive
compares to common IDE hard disks.
Allison
1. After getting slightly sidetracked on the way to Bruce's a couple
weeks ago - I'm back ;).
2. Apple III experts - what's the difference between an A3M01 and an
A3M02? I'm assuming 01 is the "drop-fix" motherboard and 02 is the
fixed version. Does anyone have software for a MS Softcard III?
3. Do you need Apple II parts? I have too many. I have II+s and
IIe's (working and not) lots of Monitor III's. Assorted manuals
for Apple II and III. Tons of disk drives. If you're looking for
something and I have it it's yours for the price of shipping. I have
a number of badly broken system which will ultimately be scrapped
but I'll be pulling pieces so... I'll eventually put together a
list but I need to make some room now so just ask. I'll also be
trekking down the coast 2nd week of September so if you live along
I5 in OR/WA or 101 in CA I might be able to deliver.
4. Classic Computer HOWTO's. I've been sitting at home for a week
inventing things to do and started writing a how to document detailing
drive alignment for various disk drives (not even close to ready yet).
Anyway, seems like a cool idea for those of you who know how to do things
to detail them in a howto and help improve everyone's know-how. People
keep asking, for example, how to convert TV to composite output. If
you've got nothing better to do ;).
Bill
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Bill Whitson Classic Computer List Operator
bw(a)booster.bothell.washington.edu
CCL Website: http://haliotis.u.washington.edu/classiccmp
Well, I got the VAX working last night. It has a melted power cable that I
had to rebuild. It seems to boot Ultrix, what seems to be a Unix variant. Time
to play...
Also, can anyone point me to any FAQs about the VAXstations?
Rich Cini/WUGNET
rcini(a)msn.com
> Anyone interested in any of the Bouroughs manuals given the lack of
> precise data on what they are? I'll probably pick up most of it anyway but
> if I know someone wants the stuff, I can be a little more liberal in what we
> take.
Yeah. I've had unhealthy relations with a B-800; if there's anything about
the B-800 I'm interested. Other things to look for are COBOL language manuals,
NDL language manuals, and manuals covering operating of MCP and CANDE.
I'm interested in all/any of these.
BTW, the B-80 is close enough to the B-800 to be interesting as far as I'm
concerned...
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
PS: Burroughs had a really good COBOL compiler on the B-800, it just took
_forever_ to compile anything...
Anyone ever heard of "Laser Magnetic Storage Co."? They made mass storage
devices...I'm trying to find a driver.
Thanks
manney(a)nwohio.com
"How can anyone govern a nation that has two hundred and forty different
kinds of cheese?"
-- Charles de Gaulle
Picked this up on a local Tulsa-area bulletin board; I don't know a thing
about it, but didn't know if someone here might be interested:
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>From : JON JUREK
We hava micro Vax II that we are trying to sell or get rid of somehow and
would like to know if anyone has a need. Please send e-mail to
jonj(a)fly.aeromet.com. Sorry for this garbled message. my terminal
emulation leaves a lot to be desired. Thanks a bunch.
Tim or Allison, I could really use your help. Tim, I think something in
the mail system may be preventing my messages from reaching you.
I have O-VMS 6.2 up and running. What I need is someone else with a
MicroVAX to create an RX50 floppy, initialized with VMS, with VMSTPCE
(unzipped and ready to roll, ideally) copied to it. I cannot seem to
transfer it from my PC, via PUTR and VMS's EXCHANGE, to save my life.
This evening, I will try installing TCP/IP services on the VAX and try to
FTP the appropriate file from its resting spot on my server. However, I'm
not sanguine about the results given my difficulties over the last few weeks.
Sheesh... it should NOT be this hard to do a simple binary tape copy! If
tonight's effort fails, and no one else can help, I'll just install Ultrix
and try it that way.
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
> Anybody know what this baby runs??? I heard in passing that they used
> to run PICK on it. I think PICK is some kind of manufacturing software
> but what was/is the operating system?
IIRC, PIC is its own operating system -- useful for database work. A
village down near me still uses it for its town hall records, and -- last I
hear -- was still supported.
I decided to drag out my kaypro II for testing/cataloging/photos and noticed
it's even worse than before. previously, i was able to boot a cpm disk but
got no keyboard activity. now, it powers on, spins the floppy a few
rotations, then prompts to place a disk in drive a: and no more than that.
hitting the reset button didnt do anything. it keeps coming back to the same
screen. while typing this note, i noticed it finally booted off a floppy in
about 5 minutes' wait and now i'm getting no keyboard input (not even ^M or
^G) and the floppy light is staying on but not spinning. i do get an a:
prompt though. someone mentioned the keyboard controller chip missing, but
it's there. this machine has two half height floppies which i assume
incorrect. would full height pc/xt drives be "correct"? what should i check
now?
david
Anybody here able to help this guy out?
i don't believe he is a subscriber so if you could e-mail him directly,
that'd be preferred,
thanks.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:35:26 -0400
From: wgh <wgh(a)wgh.org>
To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU
Subject: setup for IDS PC-88 Turbo
Hello,
I am in need of a setup program for an Intellegent Data Systems PC-88
computer running DOS 3.2. The copy I have simply locks up the computer
after the main menu is displayed. Any help you could give would be
appreciated.
Timothy J. Hummer
wcpgoa(a)penn.com
