Yes it was the Portfolio!
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From: Anthony Clifton
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: RE: Computers in Movies (was: War Games)
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:59PM
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote:
> Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
It was a little Atari palmtop I believe.
Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
At 14:38 9/24/97 -0400, John Ruschmeyer wrote:
>It makes one wonder whether there will someday be a market for
>reproductions of computer manuals, FCC stickers, etc. the same way that
>such a market exists in the automobile collecting world.
Well, there's already such a thing. First of all, look at the market for
"work docs," Xerox copies of manuals that people need to get things going.
I admit that these usually change hands for $5 to $10 or the cost of
copying, whichever is higher, but the commerce is flourishing. Then on a
very different level, there's the market for original distribution
software, such as WordStar 1.x-2.x, dBASE II for CP/M, early Multiplan,
etc. which if mint and complete are offered at $50 to $150.
I cannot prove, but I would bet, that there are already "forgeries" of
things like Apple I cassette BASIC and Micro-Soft black paper tapes.
And....what price an original set of Apple I manuals?
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
> > There are a few IBM cards that I've never seen and would love to get. Top
> > of my list is a PGC (professional graphics controller) - a 2 board set
> > that contained an 8088-based graphics accellerator. It emulated a CGA card
>
> > (I think) but had extra modes as well. Another thing I would like is a
> > Data Aquisition and Control adapter.
>
> I acquired one of the PGA boards and I passed up an opportunity a couple of
> years ago to get the IBM monitor that went with it. BTW, I am assuming here
> that what you are referring to as PGC is the same thing I am referring to as
> PGA. I see them occasionally and will keep you in mind the next time I find
> one if you like.
AFAIK, PGA=PGC. IIRC, VGA pixel resolution by lots of colours.
When I was working for IBM, I installed a PGC for a customer; I helped
with demos involving PGC and DACA (Yes, another nice piece of kit) but I
never had a chance to acquire any of that stuff :-( :-( :-(
The PGC was three (Tony, am I right, or am I just imagining the middle
board?) boards bolted together, with the outer two going in adjacent
slots of an AT or XT motherboard. Wouldn't go on a 5-slot PC of course.
Now that would be a hack...
PGC came with a new sticker for the _back_ of your PC - now no longer a
class B but a class A computer according to FCC rules (which thankfully
don't apply in the UK, but things are getting worse with our
Electromagnetic Compatibility directive)
Philip.
Recently Sam remarked:
>A neat thing: at the end of the movie during the credits they get to
>thanking those who provided technical assistance. The first company
>listed is none other than "CompuPro Division, Godbout Electronics". >Very
>cool! Others listed were Televideo, Fischer-Freitas (why does that >sound
It may have been Fisher (I'll check at lunch today, but they were ex
IMSAI employees who set up in business after IMSAI's demise supporting
the old machines. Just read "Fire in the Valley" ;-)
>familiar and did I get the Fischer part right?), Memorex, Qume, and
Hans
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Anthony Clifton said:
>In addition, I'd like to have episodes of Riptide on tape, which also
>featured a hacker as a main character along with a goofy robot. No
>Knight Rider thank you...intelligent cars just don't trip my trigger.
Sorry, tho I did like Riptide while it was on, Knight Rider is much better
of the two for me... Let's put this into perspective:
Riptide: Geeky guy who takes junk and builds robots with it to try to win
friendship with two macho PI's and almost never gets laid...
Knight Rider: Super-intelligent gorgeous _babe_ designs & builds ultimate
300mph _babe-magnet_ that can drive itself while you [circle one] (look
at)(chat with)(make whoopie with) _babes_, or play Intellivision if there
are no babes around...
;^> ;^>
It's the Sandra Bullock syndrome all over again.... but I like it!
(Tho I'll definately concede the point that 40-column Apple ][ basic
listings filled with nothing but PRINT statements is not what I'd consider
to give intelligence to a car... :-) Of course, how they got that Apple ][
to play Intellivision games was a technological wonder! ;-)
[the mind's not totally clear on the Intellivision point, but I'm sure it
was a commercially available video game system... It's been a while since
I've seen it]
Just MHO,
"Merch"
--
Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional
Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers
zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, William Donzelli wrote:
>
> > > > > 2895B Tape Punch #1632A03303 FACIT model 4070
> > > >
> > > > Yep, this is a badge-engineered Facit paper-tape punch.
> >
> > Mine came with some sort of rack mount kit that I have not been able to
> > comprehend yet. I think I am missing parts.
>
> There is a rackmount kit shown in the Facit 4070 service manual/parts
> catalogue (which I have). I can look up how that one goes together and
> post details.
>
> >From memory it consists of a frame that fits round the 4070 chassis (the
> 4070 sits with the reels on the right, and the reels themselves vertical.
> There are little friction pads at the bottom to prevent it sliding out,
> and clamp screws that go in from the top to hold it in place. The whole
> frame mounts in the rack in the usual way.
I have one of the HP rack mounts in my living room right now (on its way
to storage with the punch). Unfortunately I can't post pictures for
y'all but here is how it goes.
Basically it is a sliding shelf with a front, with a hole in the front
for the chad box to poke through. There's a little metal plate
screwed to the shelf near the front, as well as a couple of black plastic
circles toward the rear. Those are just guides to keep the punch
>from wiggling around too much as it punches.
There are also a couple of dividers screwed down and held apart
with standoffs toward the left of the shelf. At a guess these make a
handy place to store a few reels of paper tape for when you have to
refill the punch.
Finally there are screw-downs for a twisted pair of wires that go up
to a power light mounted in the front of the rack. Well, it's supposed
to be there, the lightbulb is missing on mine; I think it got mashed in
shipment.
The shelf needs to slide so you can get tape off the takeup reel (if
you don't just let it spill out the front), get at the punch's
controls and most of the tape path, and feed the punch. Oh, also note
that there is a little widget at center rear between the shelf and the
frame; this is to keep the shelf from sliding out due to vibration
>from the punch.
> I _believe_ there's a special (metal?) chad box and front lid on rackmount
> 4070's. Oh, and the writing on the control panel is turned through 90
> degrees so that it's readable when the unit is in the rack. All my 4070's
> are table-top models.
It isn't clear to me that my 2895 punch is any different from a table-top
unit. Smoked-plastic chad box, BTW.
> > My sense (i.e. ears) tell me that the power supply is a switching type,
> > probably one of the first for computers, an is probably a bear to fix. Of
> > course, all of the house numbered HP parts does not help either.
>
> Switching PSUs don't bother me. The HP seems to have a large 50/60Hz
> transformer, so the chopper is (I guess) on the low voltage side anyway
> (like on most PDP11s). That sort of supply is not that hard to fix _given
> schematics_. Heck, if I can get a Boschert 2-stage running again, I can
> handle just about anything :-)
OK OK OK. I am planning on pulling all my 2100 manuals out for y'all.
I can't do it just yet, though; there are other things ahead in the
queue. Maybe this weekend if I can get some other pieces into place.
Fair warning: I am a software kind of guy; I know what a schematic
looks like but you shouldn't count on much more. OTOH, I can work
a photocopier.
If y'all are interested in a little story about the 2100 power supply,
I suggest getting Analytical Engine 2.3 from CHAC's web/ftp site and
reading the interview with Barney Oliver. One spoiler: yes, it is a
switching power supply, and there was something patentable in its
design.
-Frank McConnell
did everyone else also notice that when the kids were at the bank hacking the
atm, as the pin numbers were scrolling down, it was making old mac disk drive
access sounds? =D
david
In a message dated 97-09-24 13:02:55 EDT, you write:
<< On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote:
> Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
It was a little Atari palmtop I believe.
Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
>>
Make all the words you utter soft and sweet, for you never know, which ones
you will someday have to eat. :)
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> From: Anthony Clifton <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: War Games
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 11:52 AM
>
>
>
> > > "Do you remember when you asked me to tell you when you were acting
> > > rudely and insensitively? Well, you're doing it right now." It
sounds
> > > EXACTLY like conversations between me and this skinny techno-dweeb I
work
> > > with.
> >
> > I wouldn't let guys like that work at my company.
>
> Er....two responses....
>
> Judge not lest ye be judged.
>
> ...and the thing about walking in another guy's footwear.
>
> Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
>
Anybody that can help her out?
(What's a HP150 anyway?)
She is not a subscriber to this list so if you can help, please e-mail her
directly.
Thanks!
LeS
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:51 -0700
From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net>
To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU
Subject: HP 150 II
My husband brought home a touchscreen Hewlett Packard 150 II. He has its
original manuals & it fires up fine. Could you help me find more
information on and applications for this computer?
Thanks,
Brigid Cumming
bcumming(a)island.net
Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
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From: Uncle Roger
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Computers in Movies (was: War Games)
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 3:37AM
At 02:09 PM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>First, why use a 300 baud acoustic coupler (which strangely seems to
>operate at 300, 1200, 2400, 9600, 19200 and 38400 during different
>scenes) when you've got a perfectly good 1200 baud direct connect sitting
>on the monitor?
On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et
al
were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper,
high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones?
And in True Stories, the talking heads guy (whose name I can't remember
this
late at night) ran into the nerd from Varicor in the mall as he was
coming
out of a store loaded down with 8-bit atari stuff.
And in Terminator 2, the scientist is working at his desk full of Atari
16-bit stuff (including at least a TT) when the kid's mom tries to blow
him
away. When he does finally bite the big one, it's in a room full of old
HP
7925 & 7933 disk drives -- Could it be coincidence that just before T2
came
out, HP was having a big promo to turn those in as trade-ins on newer
drives? I don't think so!
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 09:38 PM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Sam I've been trying to send message to you for over a week. I get yours but
>can't reply. Here is a sample of what I get.
The problem is that CRL (Sam's and My provider) has arbitrarily decided to
cut off incoming mail from various providers. Juno, Earthlink, probably
others. They claim it's because they want to stop spam, but not only do I
still get 10+ spams a day, but I get it with From: addresses that they've
supposedly blocked.
Meanwhile, my sister. friends, and clients cannot send me e-mail. Sam can
be reached at <vcf(a)siconic.com> and I can be reached at
<sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>. I dunno if Paul Coad has another e-mail address or
not (He's on CRL too.)
>>>> MAIL From:<ccm(a)sentex.net> SIZE=1961
><<< 550 Access denied
>554 <dastar(a)crl.com>... Service unavailable
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
The HP 150 is a (not) IBM compatible, circa 1985. It's an 8088 that
runs a wacky disk format with a correspondingly wacky OEM version of
MS-DOS. I have one of these machines, but don't have the DOS for it.
It'll run a small subset of early MS-DOS based software that doesn't
make any hardware accesses -- sort of the same situation as a DEC
Rainbow. There's a FAQ at
http://www.mdn.com/oksoftware/Computers/hp150faq.html.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Mr. Self Destruct[SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 8:18 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: HP 150 II (fwd)
>
>
>
> Anybody that can help her out?
>
> (What's a HP150 anyway?)
>
> She is not a subscriber to this list so if you can help, please e-mail
> her
> directly.
>
> Thanks!
> LeS
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:51 -0700
> From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net>
> To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU
> Subject: HP 150 II
>
> My husband brought home a touchscreen Hewlett Packard 150 II. He has
> its
> original manuals & it fires up fine. Could you help me find more
> information on and applications for this computer?
>
> Thanks,
> Brigid Cumming
> bcumming(a)island.net
>
Ok, I went out and rented _War Games_ because I'm a total nerd and wanted
to see David's IMSAI. I noticed a couple interesting things in the
movie. First, in one scene early on where david is sitting in front of
his computer, they show it head on, and you can see sitting on top of his
monitor his modem, which had on it "IMSAI 212A MODEM". Did IMSA, in
fact, manufacture a 1200 baud modem? He also had an IMSAI labeled keyboard!
A neat thing: at the end of the movie during the credits they get to
thanking those who provided technical assistance. The first company
listed is none other than "CompuPro Division, Godbout Electronics". Very
cool! Others listed were Televideo, Fischer-Freitas (why does that sound
familiar and did I get the Fischer part right?), Memorex, Qume, and about
10 others.
Anyway, pretty cool flick. It combines elements of hacking, phreaking
(where he grounds the microphone on the old ground-start payphone, a real
ball-sy scene since that was a real-life trick you could pull in those
days) and of course classic computers!
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival
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I was walking past the scrap pile a few weeks back when I saw a large PCB
that appeared to be part of a DG Nova system. Digging a little further
produced another 3 boards, the cabinet/PSU (alas missing the fan), and
the frontpanel bezel. This identified the machine as a DG Nova 1210.
Since there are only 4 slots in the backplane, I think I have all the
cards. What I have is a Nova CPU board (with _1_ 74181 - did this machine
really have a 4 bit ALU?), a core memory board and 2 custom I/O boards
(missing a few TTL chips, but the locations are labeled with the 74xx
number, so that's no problem). I am missing the lights/switches board.
Does anyone know anything about this machine? I assume it's worth saving.
A schematic would be useful (or at least a description of the frontpanel
board and its interface), since then I could probably recreate the front
panel and get it running again.
-tony
>On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et
>al
>were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper,
>high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones?
While we're playing this, may I point out that in the control room of the
Red Dwarf is, in at least one episode, an original C64? I thought that,
being a BBC production, they should have at least use the BBC Micro. *grin*
Just think, one day some of our old computers will be used to control
starships a mile long.
Adam.
Hello again!
Some time ago I reported on an attic full of Sord computers that only
waited for someone to come along and grab them. I have now looked over
most of the attic (not all, mind you) and catalogued what I found. It is
an interesting list of 40 computers of 17 different types. Mostly Sord,
but also some PC compatibles. There is at least one Sord M680UX mini,
probably one or two more.
Sam and Kevan have already announced that they want several systems, so
there will be shipments going both to the US and the UK. The attic in
question is in Gothenburg, Sweden, but the more people join in, the
cheaper it will be. If you want a list of available stuff (also some
printers and a lot of manuals and software) let me know and I will send it
to you.
Next, I will try to determine what shipping would approximately cost.
/F
>> I'm starting to sort through the misc. parts and accessories that I've
>> collected over the years and am wondering if certain things are really
>> worth keeping, such as:
>>
>> 1200 baud modems (Hayes external, Racal Vadic VA212LC)
>> CGA cards
>> Hercules and MDA mono cards
>> Generic XT floppy controllers
To put in my 2 cents' worth...
Up until last year, I sold XT's pretty regularly. This year, I sold two. I
*do* still see some acquired out there (last Sunday, I set up a PC for a
friend and her kids...she bought it for $9 at an auction) and many of my
customers still have the older stuff (good grief -- we still have a couple
Epson QX-10's around, in this hick town!)
Motherboards are gonna start going rapidly pretty soon, and
monitors...nobody makes CGA anymore that I know of...what user (versus
collector) is gonna replace a CGA with VGA on an XT? He'll junk the whole
thing, and buy a Packard Bell at Wal-Mart (and use it to play Solitaire.)
Worth keeping? I think so. Boards don't take up a whole lot of space, and
you're going to make a collector *very* happy some day. (I'd take your
boards, except that I've already got plenty.) But, it'll be a long time
before you sell them!
At 12:22 AM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I dunno about Compaqs, but if it takes standard 2.5" hard drives, Fry's and
Whups... You'd think I was on AOL... I forgot to change the TO: address.
Sorry!
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 02:09 PM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>First, why use a 300 baud acoustic coupler (which strangely seems to
>operate at 300, 1200, 2400, 9600, 19200 and 38400 during different
>scenes) when you've got a perfectly good 1200 baud direct connect sitting
>on the monitor?
On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et al
were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper,
high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones?
And in True Stories, the talking heads guy (whose name I can't remember this
late at night) ran into the nerd from Varicor in the mall as he was coming
out of a store loaded down with 8-bit atari stuff.
And in Terminator 2, the scientist is working at his desk full of Atari
16-bit stuff (including at least a TT) when the kid's mom tries to blow him
away. When he does finally bite the big one, it's in a room full of old HP
7925 & 7933 disk drives -- Could it be coincidence that just before T2 came
out, HP was having a big promo to turn those in as trade-ins on newer
drives? I don't think so!
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
On Tuesday, September 23, 1997 8:02 PM, Kip Crosby [SMTP:engine@chac.org] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm thoroughly enjoying being here and I just wanted to remind everybody
> that our history page, http://www.chac.org/chhistpg.html , is perennially
> in need of new links. As an example, we haven't found a single site yet
> that's devoted to classic laptops.
>
> I'd also appreciate any suggestion of a good win32 link-checking bot
> because this page has gotten far, far too voluminous to check by hand.
>
> Finally, thanks for all the Apple ][ material -- I'm still sifting through it.
Hi,
I have a small Home-Computer-Museum here in Germany you might want to link:
http://192.102.161.122/~walgen/index.html
At 19:12 9/23/97 +0000, Ken Harbit wrote:
>Does anyone know if the Historical Computer Society is still going?
>If it is, how can I get in touch with them?
Their address is 2962 Park Street, #1, Jacksonville FL 32205.
historical(a)aol.com was down for a while but I think it works again now.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
<WOPR downloaded a Java aplet into his computer that the web browser
<continued to execute! C'mon, that one's easy!
Actually that was done back then. It was called callback security. you
would call in and give account and password if valid the machine would login
then log out and then call back to a prearranged number and you would log in
again. I used that for my vax to take advantage of the company phone lines
being cheaper out going to me that my calling them.
<> In the book, when David walks in while Jim Sting is underneath his desk,
<> he says "Hey Captain Crunch, I'm from Ma Bell and Boy is she pissed!"
<
<Nobody would've understood that reference. Nobody would today either.
As a former blue boxer and phone hack the pay phone in the dorm had a
diode hack so it didn't keep change. My trick on that was to hide the
diode in the company distribution box.
FYI: I was uing a cosmac elf to do the blue box in the late '70s by
spinning loops to make the tones and memory dial.
Allison
At 02:58 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>drive. If anyone knows where to get a cheap hard drive
>for a Compaq Contura 430 please let me know ;).
I dunno about Compaqs, but if it takes standard 2.5" hard drives, Fry's and
NCA (Silicon Valley, but possibly elsewhere) had been selling 500mb 2.5's
for under $100. I picked up a 2GB 2.5'er on AuctionWeb for $235 with
shipping (Seagate drive).
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Sam I've been trying to send message to you for over a week. I get yours but
can't reply. Here is a sample of what I get.
Still interested in helping and chatting about promotion. Hey you should do
a post-festival review on the web site and tell people you plan to do this
so they'll plan to return to the site after the event.
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To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf)
Subject: Re: Yo!
Glad to hear from you too. I've been trying to contact you ever since you
asked for a informal poll about attendance figures. Your mail keeps bouncing
back...and then I'm having difficulty getting online now that school is
back...the number is incessantly BUSY. I was gonna pass my messages on to
you via the LIST, but couldn't even get online!
So I haven't even read this message, but in 9 hours I will respond - got to
go to work now.
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To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf)
Subject: Re: update, poll & returned mail.
I'm am experiencing difficulty getting through to you. Still doing my part
and will chat soon.
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Subject: VCF Poll
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>From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf)
>Subject: Re: VCF Update
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>About the informal poll...hope for the best and expect the worst...jah, jah,
>but seriously folks you will probably not have enough attendance to break
>even. Then again I'm way off in my marketing suggestions, i.e. I recommended
>Computerworld and WSJ, but your market are the BBS'ers and a very local,
>personal clientele and that's precisely who you are approaching. Right on dude.
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>There's my 2 cents.
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>Kevin
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