GS/OS 6.01 you have to have a ROM01 motherboard and you can't make your
partitions larger than 32megs each, thats the max for prodos. I made four
25meg partitions. Use one for system and apps. one for games, one for
testing and one for downloads/temp etc
----------
> From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Apple II hard drive??
> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 6:00 PM
>
> What OS version are you running, I could not get a 80 meg drive to work
on
> the GS using Apple brand SCSI card.
> At 12:28 PM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >go scsi, www.allelec.com I have a 100meg scsi on my GS
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)classic.msn.com>
> >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> >> Subject: Apple II hard drive??
> >> Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 12:06 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> What's the best solution for attaching some form of mass-storage to an
> >Apple
> >> II+?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich Cini/WUGNET
> >> <rcini(a)msn.com>
> >
> >
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Daniel A. Seagraves
said:
>At the place where I keep my 11/44, the owner has an IBM System/34. It's
>a largish beige brick. Chances are good I'll never get it (Can't store
>it), and it can't be left there. All the owner (Murrel) wants is to avoid
>paying to have it removed. I thought he wanted money for it, but he
>doesn't. It has all sorts of disks & stuff, and I think it's running (Not
>sure how to start it, so I can't check.) Tell me how and I may be able
>to. It runs RPG-II. It takes 8" floppies. I know it powers on, that's
>about all I know.
Well, can't help you with the operating info, but where's it located? I
have a largish (very dry) basement which would house it nicely, but
Californee's a bit out of my way. Northern Wisconsin or Northern Michigan
perhaps...
Thanks,
"Merch"
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zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
At the place where I keep my 11/44, the owner has an IBM System/34. It's
a largish beige brick. Chances are good I'll never get it (Can't store
it), and it can't be left there. All the owner (Murrel) wants is to avoid
paying to have it removed. I thought he wanted money for it, but he
doesn't. It has all sorts of disks & stuff, and I think it's running (Not
sure how to start it, so I can't check.) Tell me how and I may be able
to. It runs RPG-II. It takes 8" floppies. I know it powers on, that's
about all I know.
I've had several laser machines, which seemed to be of decent quality. in
fact, my first computer was a laser 386sxe bought back in 1989 for $800 and
still works today. it has a nonstandard power supply, but I found one for
sale 3 years ago for $4 which i'm keeping for a spare. I also had the laser
xtsl, which was a small 10mhz xt with dual 720k floppy drives. I wish I still
had that one. Nowadays, I just have two laser 128 models and two external
drives made by them, one for the laser/2c, and one that works on the disk ][
controller. I believe they also made pc compatibles in an apple //c -like
form factor.
david
In a message dated 97-09-30 03:32:27 EDT, J Keys put forth:
<< Yes they made PC clones as well as Apples, they also made ext drives for
PC's, Apples and Commodores.
At 01:13 AM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores,
>but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser
286/2 -
>it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from
>Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well?
>
>Thanks, >>
Does anyone know where I can score digital versions of Dr. Dobbs Journal
all the way back to the first issue?
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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>I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores,
>but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser
286/2 -
>it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from
>Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well?
Yes. I have a Laser XT clone (slightly peculiar data cables and -- IIRC --
nonstandard motherboard switch, but a nice, fast "turbo" (8 MHz) XT. Very
well built. The keyboard is XT/AT switchable, so I still use it.
A Customer has (4) TRS-80 model 4. All have seen office use, and are not
pristine. Some software, WP and database apps.
Any interest?
manney(a)nwohio.com
>From: Eric Chomko <chomko(a)IDT.NET>
>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
>Subject: Re: Altair 8800
>Date: 19 Sep 1997 03:47:25 GMT
>
>Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote:
>: In article <341776C1.426ED8F0(a)odyssee.net>, DAN <dlessard(a)odyssee.net>
wrote:
>: >Once someone loaded the Micro-Soft Basic into the Altair via switches,
>: >paper tape or disk, how did they enter the program? Also through paper
>: >tape or did they have a keyboard to write a simple program?
>
>: Typically they had a Teletype or some other sort of terminal to
>: run Basic on. Often, the paper tape reader was part of the teletype.
>
>TTYs and Altair did not mix. Their 20 milliamp current loop interface was
>for shit if I remember correctly. If theyever had one. Can an Altair owner
>with a TTY make me a liar?
Um, yes. (having a few Altairs and TTYs which I still run) The Altair
(MITS) serial cards and 20mil TTYs got along just fine, once you resolved
one minor issue.
The 20mil drivers on the MITS cards were fine, with the exception that they
*did not source the receive (keyboard) loop* !
This was not properly documented anywhere, and caused many a person endless
grief trying to get it to run...
It would appear that MITS was not the first to approach the issue in this
manner (so who knew just what voltage you needed to run??? considering
line length and all) since the problem was easily (once you knew the
secret) resolved by installing one jumper *in the TTY* which existed for
just such a purpose (and was documented in the Teletype manuals).
-jim
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My Father-in-law has finally managed to convince his wife to part with
the Atari ST they have. In the process, he'll be disposing a sizeable
collection of Atari ST bits and pieces, plus a (as far as I know) a
working North Star s-100 CPM box.
The catch is that all of this stuff is in New Zealand...
I do know he has the following:
Atari 1040ST expanded internally to 4MB
ICS SCSI interface w/ RTC in external cabinet w/ power supply and broken
Syquest 44MB Removable drive
Grey scale Hand scanner
Video Recored based Backup system
Calamus Desktop Publishing software
Color monitor (working)
Monochrome Monitor (working)
Monochrome Monitor (not working)
External Floppy Drive
Atari 520ST (two of, one working definitely working)
various other bits of software.
North Star with terminal and 2 360kB FDD, 64Kb RAM (I think)
I'll make a second posting once he has inventoried it all, and I'll give
his e-mail address as well.
I would have taken the stuff myself, but I already have a TRS-80 Model 1
clone sitting around doing very little (apart from taking up room)(and I
intend to keep this - my project is to 1. Find Time to do something. 2.
Upgrade the FDD interface to High Density. Add a SCSI interface, alter
NEWDOS or LDOS to use it. Someday...
The ICS SCSI interface lets you hook up just about any sized hard drive
- I tried it with a 512MB SCSI drive so far, that seemed to work fine
(it flew), but you could hook up a CD-ROM (I think) with the appropriate
driver software (the ICS interface comes with a setup disk - I can't
remember if that has the CD-ROM driver SW on it). The Atari 1040ST
could do with the TOS 1.4(?) or 2.0 TOS upgrade. The 3MB RAM expansion
is a little flakey (runs OK 99.99% of the time)
Peter Nield, Network Administrator,
Fletcher Challenge Limited
mailto:petern@fcl.co.nz
At 10:31 PM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I only average about 30 - 50 messages/day and it only takes minutes to look
>at them. My sort routine consists of read followed by a manual trash or
>classify ... or put the decision off :). At what point (as far as
>messages/day) does it make sense to use a filter to sort?
I get about 100-150 per day and haven't gotten around to installing Eudora
Pro (which includes filtering) yet. Still, one of these days, I'll get
around to it.
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<I called Intel Customer Service directly - they have no information on thi
<chip in their database.
Not surprizing, they have lousy memories. My '82 and '83 data books list
them. They are preliminary in the '82book. At that time I'd seem them in
the flesh and they were about $150 each. The actual chips were a mask trade
with AMD for some of intels parts. I don't think intel ever acually made
them as the ones I'd seen though intel branded were AMD foundry marks on the
die! That was common practice then and likely now.
<Obtaining one of these chips is a nice-to-have, not critical, so I'll proba
<let this die for now. But thank you, gentlemen, for your assistance!
last I'd seen either they were far from cheap! I's suspect if your can find
them they will either go cheap of if they sellers know their limited
availability real expensive. Also since the sourcing of them was at best
questionable many designers stayed away from them.
FYI: I looked at them and while they appeared faster than general math
routines on a z80 bytime you did the IO to them and all they could be much
slower than a good asm coded routine.
Allison
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:13:05, Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> wrote:
>I called a guy who was a logic designer at Intel during the period and who
>has samples of most of the pertinent Intel chips from, say, the 8048 to
>current. He has no 8232 and claims never to have seen one or a data sheet
>for it. It was so lackadaisically marketed by Intel that he suspects it
>was a cross-license from AMD and that someone at Intel objected to the
>architecture.
I called Intel Customer Service directly - they have no information on this
chip in their database.
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:49:24, William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote:
>Are both of those chips even still in production? If not, that might be a
>real challenge. I remember trying to get one of AMD super neat database
>coprocessors, but really felt a great deal of resistance by the sales
>people and the distributors.
>
>One note: many sales offices are decent (Motorola), and will look up (and
>copy) data for long gone chips.
According to Intel, the 8231A was discontinued in 1996. They mentioned
Rochester Electronics as a possible second-source. I accessed Rochester's
web site but was unable to locate any reference using their search feature.
Obtaining one of these chips is a nice-to-have, not critical, so I'll probably
let this die for now. But thank you, gentlemen, for your assistance!
Regards,
Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA
go scsi, www.allelec.com I have a 100meg scsi on my GS
----------
> From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)classic.msn.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Apple II hard drive??
> Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 12:06 PM
>
>
> What's the best solution for attaching some form of mass-storage to an
Apple
> II+?
>
>
>
> Rich Cini/WUGNET
> <rcini(a)msn.com>
> I don't know if it is the same company or not, but Laser PC's are very
> common in Australia - although the 286's which I knew tended to have
> problems with their hard drives.
This one sure does - it seems to have ritually destroyed its FAT.
> There are also PC/XT's, and 386's. There
> were also a couple of Laser laptop/palmtops, along the lines of the Tandy
> 100 and Amstrad NC-100. They show up on the second hand market all the
> time, and I keep meaning to pick up a couple.
Very neat. I'd love to see a scan of one of these. Does anybody know of
a source?
Thanks for the info,
--
Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu
Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH
http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley
Yes it is the one and the same company, in my younger days, I sold
computers at Sears, who carried the Laser line. They sold both PC and
Apple][ compatables.
----------
> From: Adam Jenkins <adam(a)merlin.net.au>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Laser?
> Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 5:36 AM
>
> >I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift
stores,
> >but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser
286/2 -
> >it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's
from
> >Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well?
>
> I don't know if it is the same company or not, but Laser PC's are very
> common in Australia - although the 286's which I knew tended to have
> problems with their hard drives. There are also PC/XT's, and 386's.
There
> were also a couple of Laser laptop/palmtops, along the lines of the Tandy
> 100 and Amstrad NC-100. They show up on the second hand market all the
> time, and I keep meaning to pick up a couple.
>
> Adam.
>
>I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores,
>but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser 286/2 -
>it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from
>Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well?
I don't know if it is the same company or not, but Laser PC's are very
common in Australia - although the 286's which I knew tended to have
problems with their hard drives. There are also PC/XT's, and 386's. There
were also a couple of Laser laptop/palmtops, along the lines of the Tandy
100 and Amstrad NC-100. They show up on the second hand market all the
time, and I keep meaning to pick up a couple.
Adam.
I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores,
but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser 286/2 -
it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from
Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well?
Thanks,
--
Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu
Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH
http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley
This weekend I acquired an HP-97 calculator dating from 1967! It
includes a thermal printer and mag card reader.
When I got it home I found that it rattled, so I dismantled it and found
two large burnt out resistors on the keyboard PCB. The rattle was caused
by pieces of these resistors in the case.
Does anyone have docs sufficient to determine the replacement parts for
these resistors?
What is the power input requirements for the HP-97?
Regards,
Hans B Pufal
Comprehensive Computer Catalogue
<http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/>
<mailto:hansp@digiweb.com>
OK.
Thanks to you guys, she was able to get the HP 150 II up and running but
now needs a copy of DOS 3.2 which supposedly works with this machine. If
anyone can help her out, again, please e-mail her!
THANKS!
LeS
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:49:52 -0700
From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net>
To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU
Subject: MS-DOS 3.2
Thanks to help from your mail list, we've got the HP-150 II up &
running. By dint of reading the manuals & the FAQ a kind classic
computer buff directed us too, we've found we need MS-DOS 3.2 for the
HP-150 II to really work. Right now it's running MS-DOS 2.11, the OS for
the HP-150, but has a 20 MB hard drive.
Do you have a copy of MS-DOS 3.2? Or could your mail list could suggest
a source?
Yours gratefully,
Brigid & John Cumming
bcumming(a)island.net
This has been tentatively adopted.....
Will
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remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and
folks
who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to
receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending
all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...."
Will
I picked up a complete HP-86B system this weekend. System box, monitor,
two dual floppy drives, printer, plotter, documentation, three shoeboxes full of
Basic, CP/M and UCSD p-System software and a slew of expansion carts,
including:
(4) 128K RAM Memory Expansion
(2) ROM Expansion w/ Assembler, Matrix, Printer, Plotter ROMS
System Monitor
Auxiliary Processor
HPIB Interface
CP/M System
Voice Synthesizer
Four-slot Extender Interface
I'd written software for the HP-85 years ago and picked one up a few months
back, so this is a veritable gold mine of Series 80 goodies.
Two wannas: Does anyone have a spare Sun monitor that would work
with a 3/80?
About 10 days ago, I picked up a Lisa 2 with a ProFile
drive, but no connector cable. Any leads on where I might
snag a cable?
-- Tony Eros
----------
From: John R. Keys Jr.[SMTP:jrkeys@concentric.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 7:00 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Good weekend
Well Saturday made up for a slow week of finds. In that one day I was able
to pick up and save the following: Commodore 1902 monitor, 2-Mac 128's one
with KB & mouse, Platinum Mac Plus with KB & mouse, Apple IIgs with RGB
monitor & ext 3.5 & 51/4 drives,Epson FX80 printer, 4-Kraft joysticks new in
box, Applecolor Composite monitor, Mac numpad/trackball combo by
Assimilation, SB midi kit, and BluePrint C64 cartridge.
Also during the week picked up a Okidata OL400 laser for $5 and Radius
Powerview $8 both from Goodwill. From Savers got a new in box Softstrip
System Reader by Cauzin.
That was my week for the most part other manuals and software that I got. I
should have enough Mac's to fill the request I have from some of you by the
end of next week.
Keep computing!
Ok, here's some of what I arrested into the custody of my collection
yesterday.
A zero-emission Mac 512K. This is truly bizarre. Its a normal looking Mac
512K until you look closer and notice there is a second built-in floppy
on the right-hand side, oriented vertically. The brightness knob is
missing from the front and replaced with a little square that is the same
color and texture as the rest of the case. It was moved to the back.
The power cord is not detachable like on a normal Mac but is instead
permanently attached. The external disk drive connector is gone, and so
is the slot where you can insert a security cable; its covered over.
Opening this thing is half-past a bitch and a quarter till a pain in the
ass. I finally get it open by removing all the screws on the DB-9
connectors on the back and find a totally shielded interior. The disk
drives and motherboard are encased in aluminum. The monitor has a gold
foil pasted to its entire exterior. The video cable is shielded inside a
heavy duty stranded shielding, as well as the cable going to the second
disk drive. Even the DB-9 connectors have extra shielding around them.
It was made by a company called Systematics General in Sterling,
Virginia. Anyone know anything about these?
I also collected several DEC boards I am assuming go to a PDP-11.
Someone help me identify these:
DEC
M8045 - 32K 18 BIT MOS MEM (guess that one is pretty obvious)
(note: I have two of these. On the board they have M8045 but on the
front tab one says M8044 DF and the other M8044DB)
M7949
M7957 - ASYN MUX
M7551-CA - Definitely looks like a memory board
M7136 - LPWR GS-2 (?) This one has a busted chip but upon close
examination it looks like the IC is still intact with the spider-web
fine wires still attached to the wafer. Half the silicon is missing
but I can still see its an AMD chip. Looking at the front of the card
with the edge connectors down, its on the bottom row of chips, third
chip from the left. Looks like it starts with AMPALI5R?? Next row of
numbers is 84H90 maybe?
M8013 - RLV11 DISK CONTROL
Can't find the part number on this next one but its clearly labelled RDRX
DISK CONTROLLER.
M7135 - ??? This one has five 24 pin chips with lots of gold with a big
square chip next to them. A scrappers dream with all the gold on this
sucker.
USDC (this is what is stamped on the board). All I can see of this board
is 10-1108-02, with the 02 being scrawled into a solder pad. Has an AMD
8418 and what looks to be a Fairchild MBL8086-2 (CPU?) on it. I only say
Farichild because it has an F with a line above and below it. Also has a
couple 64K EPROMS. Finally, it has a 50 pin connector on the top (don't
know what its type is called but it looks like ::::::::::::::::::).
These boards were sitting in a scrap bin and some are pretty scuffed up.
I don't even know if they work. Some need some solder repair work.
All are pretty much in tact. The only major damage is that one broken PAL.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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