At 03:52 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> start then do a little search on Sinclair and you will find at least 50
>> sites dedicated to the Spectrum. English is not the most widely used
And how many C64 sites would show up? Of course, I'd gladly trade you half
a dozen C64's for just about any Sinclair...
Regardless of whatever, can we remove some of the chips from shoulders and
just get on with collecting computers? Or, if you all want to duke it out,
send me all your computers first so you don't get blood on them. Then go
somewhere else.
> language in the world either (Mandarin is). It might not be connected
> but it IS relevant to the point.
In 1987, the population of china increased by 15 million. Meanwhile, the
entire population of Australia in 1987 was 15 million. (Doncha just love
Pop-up video?)
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Having just seen some ads for them in older BYTE Magazines, the B&H
ads stated that their Apples had only two differences, a black case and
a much longer warranty (sometimg like a year or two longer then
Apple's), As I recall they cost a little more too.
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Also will have a seemingly dead "original Mac" (model number M0001)
for sale at the swap, my wife asked me to buy it and after I did she
learned it is not a machine you can do much on the internet with, much
less have it "read" your newsgroup/E-mail captures... Too divergent
>from my Commodore collection and have no desire to convert it to a fish
tank (I hear many older Macs suffered that fate) so it goes to swap. ;)
Commodore information pages. I've almost got almost all the pics
scanned and still have a few more pages of history but it will be done
in time Sam. (it should look nice, color inkjet!) BTW I am just going
through the 8-bits, Early Commodore History, as well as a few
scans/copies of older promotional literature, should be a treat for the
Commodore fan to peruse. (It reminds me of all the promotional flyers I
had tossed in my youth, a Commodore PET glassy ad in color... A VIC-20
color glossy sheet, and of course, that stack of Creative Computings and
Electronic Games magazines **ouch!** just kicked myself again...)
Larry Anderson
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At 05:35 AM 10/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>the North American readers should try to get a group together to order
>Euro machines in bulk for shipment. All of the common ones and some of
>If we shipped in bulk, and used actual ocean-going vessels for shipment,
>how expensive would this kind of venture be?
I know people who ship container-loads (and less) of Land Rover parts over
>from across the pond all the time, for not too significant amounts.
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>I'd also love to get my hands on a IIci system (for real use) and a Mac
As an aside, if anyone has Mac stuff they don't want, my girlfriend can
always use more computers in her classroom. We especially need monitors,
video cards, scsi CD-ROM drives, and hard drives (<100mb is fine.) Any
flavor of mac is fine, though IIsi/ci+ is preferred. Of course, if you want
to donate a PowerMac... 8^)
Also, if there's anyone in the bay area who knows about fixing/tuning
monitors, we could sure use some help there. Or, if you know anything about
setting up a Mac network, I'm gonna try and do that, so if you want to
volunteer to answer questions, drop me a note too.
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Mike Thompson wrote:
> It wasn't until yesterday's topic of "Those pesky db15 ports" that I
> remembered a couple of terminals that I hauled home recently.
> The terminals have a DB15 for both the monitor and keyboard.
>
> Anyway, I hauled home a couple of IBM 3101 terminals. They
> consist of a base unit, a monitor, and a keyboard. From the ID
> tags they appear to be around 1980 vintage.
Unusually for IBM stuff at this date, they are both (a) designed to plug
into a mainframe and (b) ASCII. AFAIK, they were used as the system
console on some of the big 370 derivatives at that date (4300 series and
3080 series)
If I had space, I'd be tempted to offer one a home. But I haven't :-(
Philip.
PS Are you sure the connectors aren't DA15?
Ok gang,
A discussion over the last few days got me thinking, so I need some
assistance here.
IBM introduced the 96 column 'soda-cracker' punch cards (example on my web
pages if you need a bit of memory jogging) as the new form when they
introduced the 'System 3' computer series.
Now, while the System 3 had a reader/punch for these cards, I can't for
the life of me ever remember seeing a stand-alone keypunch unit for this
format card.
So, the question(s): was there such a thing, what was the model number,
and has anyone seen one in the Oregon area that might be obtainable???
(and... since I missed the last one to come by... has anyone seen an IBM
129 keypunch (std. 80 column cards) in the Oregon area that might be
obtainable?)
Thanks
-jim
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A friend of mine showed me a picture today in one of her text books of
kids using what appeared to be Apple]['s (or Apple//e's, it was a bad
picture). However, the name plate on the machines were visible, and they
said Bell & Howell. The same for the disk drives, which were obviously
Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they
did, did they license other companies as well?
Inquiring minds want to know...
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>Enrico Tedeschi wrote:
>.....and what about the SINCLAIR SPECTRUM = the most sold and popular
>computer ever produced in the world? I think it should be at least
>listed in here!
>Sam Ismail wrote:
>Sure Enrico. Please do a write-up for the Spectrum. Also if you could,
>please send a Sinclair Spectrum ..........
>And I will be most happy to add it to the exhibition. They're pretty
>hard to find over here in the sates.
Sam,
You know I have a few Spectrums, Spectrum+s, and a Spectrum+3 in my
collection. I showed them to you.
>Jason R. Brady wrote:
> I've been making the rounds of Seattle-area thrift stores. Not much
> CP/M stuff, mostly PC compatible. Found.......
> How does this compare to thrift stores in other areas of the country?
In the S.F.Bay Area, I find the best "finds" at a chain called Thrift Town.
I think it's because they aren't picky about what they accept as donations.
> Frank McConnell wrote:
>I guess it's time for one of those questions I still don't have a good
>answer for. Where the foo has all the SS-50 stuff gone? Or is it still
>hiding? Or is it just not here in Sillycon Valley?
Did anyone else besides Gimix and SWTPC produce SS-50 or SS-30 bus cards?
I'm still looking for a 6800 processor card for my SWTP 6800.
>Sam Ismail wrote:
>I have some questions. First, I'm assuming mine is a later revision
>because the motherboard has a date of 1990 on it. The CPU is a 68040.
A couple of years ago I bought a NeXT motherboard with a 030 at foothill.
It came in the box for a 040 "Upgrade kit" motherboard.
>Sam Ismail wrote:
>Ok, my NeXT cube is still booting. It keeps saying...
I have a book called "The NeXT Book", covers hardware and software.
Want to borrow it?
For Trade:
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One very nice book for anyone interested in computer generated music.
"Music by Computer", John Wiley and Sons,1969,139 pages,hardbound,dustcover
edited by Heinz Von Foerster and James W. Beauchamp
This book was started from papers submitted to the "Computers in Music"
session at the 1966 Fall Joint Computer Conference in San Francisco.
Authors are James W. Beauchamp, Herbert Brun, M. David Freedman,
Lejaren Hiller, M.V. Mathews, J.R.Pierce, J.K.Randall, Arthur Roberts,
L.Rosler, Gerald Strang, and Heinz Von Foerster.
In a pocket in the back cover is four 7" floppy records with a total
of 8 sides, containing examples of music and sounds to accompany each
paper. The records are in excellent condition, no scratches.
Example:
"A Computer System for Time-Variant Harmonic Analysis and Synthesis
of Musical Tones" James W. Beauchamp Ph.D., Assistant Professor of
Electrical Engineering, University of Illinois.
The music example is described as:
"Musical Instrument Tones
Synthetic versus Real
Side 8 band 1,2,3
The example consist of a series of comparisons between some musical
tones as they were original recorded in a sound chamber and the
corresponding tones synthesized by digital computer ..........
..... The synthetic tones were produced by
The CSX-1 computer (A/D conversion)
A CDC 1604 (analysis)
An IBM 7094 (tape conversion)
The Illiac II computer (D/A conversion)
Three musical instruments were synthesized: the flute,oboe,and cornet."
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A programming manual.
SAIL August 1976, Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Memo AIM-289
edited by John F.Reiser. Softcover, plastic "ring" bound, 173 pages
The cover has been separated from the manual but otherwise it's in very
good condition.
"ABSTRACT
Sail is a high level programing language for the PDP-10 computer. It
includes an extended ALGOL 60 compiler and a companion set of execution-
time routines............. This manual describes the Sail language and
the execution-time routines for the typical Sail user: a non-novice
programmer with some knowledge of ALGOL. It lies somewhere between being
a tutorial and a reference manual."
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If anyone cares:
Friday night, the TRS-80 user group I belong to held a belated 20th
birthday party for the TRS-80 Model I which was introduced August 3rd
1977. There was balloons, coffee, and donuts. Our resident guru first
talked about the history. Then he brought out a Model I and went through
the evolution of the Model I. Cassette, modem, expansion interface, disk
drive, and hard drive. At the break, we had a contest playing lunar lander
for the lowest score. The three lowest scores won software.
Finds:
Last weekend at the Livermore flea market I found a ELF II hiding in
a box of junk. So I decided to put togather an ELF exhibit for the
show consisting of the ELF II, an ELF home built from the 1977 PE
construction articles, a Super ELF and the Super ELF in the S-100
Super Expansion Chassis.
A few weeks ago I picked up an Amstrad PPC640 portable computer.
Fold down keyboard,fold up LCD display - the only way I can describe
it is - very sexxy.
Others finds - APF M1000 (video game sys) and about 5 cartridges, a Coleco
Telestar Arcade (triangular cartridge - cool), TI99 external floppy
controller and external drive (never seen one before).
And a DECmate III.
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Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
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See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
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Hi all!
Just thought I'd drop a note asking how everyone who has committed to do a
writeup is doing with it? If you can start sending them my way I'd
certainly appreciate it. E-mailing them to dastar(a)wco.com would be fine.
Thanks!
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Hi. In a web search, I came across your mention of FLEX for the 6809.
FYI, I have a complete emulation system - a full boat 6809 machine
which boots FLEX, which runs under Win95. There is also an older
version that runs under the Amiga OS.
You can learn about it (and get it) at:
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> A friend of mine showed me a picture today in one of her text books of
>kids using what appeared to be Apple]['s (or Apple//e's, it was a bad
>picture). However, the name plate on the machines were visible, and they
>said Bell & Howell. The same for the disk drives, which were obviously
>Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they
>did, did they license other companies as well?
Apple made the computers, but added the Bell & Howell logo onto them in
order to enter the educational market - successfully, one might add. As far
as I know it is the only case where Apple redaged their computers. There
were also black Disk II drives for the system, but I am not aware of their
being a black monitor to go with them. Although they don't exist here, I
have heard that they are moderatly common in th US, but others would know
better than me. I have been offered one to purchase, but the person making
the offer was another one of these people who think that it is so
"collectable" that they could ask what they like, for what was no more than
a black Apple ][+.
They are also commonly know as the Darth Vadar apples.
Adam.
They would have tp be packed (crated) *very* well, sealed, dessicant, and
insured for everything up to and including strep infection of the
motherboard. What if the people bang or drop the box?
Anyone going over in a sailboat?
manney
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From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Manney <Manney>
Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write
>
><Beaming in ten days later>
>
>On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
>
>> and what about the SINCLAIR SPECTRUM = the most sold and popular
>> computer ever produced in the world? I think it should be at least
>> listed in here!
>
>I think "the most sold and popular computer ever produced in the world"
>would be the Commodore 64. If we're talking about machines made by a
>single manufacturer, anyway.
>
>I've never, ever, EVER even come CLOSE to seeing a Sinclair Spectrum.
>I've only seen pictures in magazines and on the web.
>
>I'd love to find some of those Euro machines over here in Canada. Maybe
>the North American readers should try to get a group together to order
>Euro machines in bulk for shipment. All of the common ones and some of
>the uncommon ones. We'd need the cooperation of the collectors in Europe,
>of course.
>
>There are tons of machines from Acorn I'd love to have/see, a few from
>Sinclair, Oric, etc.
>
>All I find over here are C64s, VIC-20s, Apple ][s, TI-99s, CoCos, and
>occasionally a Kaypro.
>
>If we shipped in bulk, and used actual ocean-going vessels for shipment,
>how expensive would this kind of venture be?
>
>
>Doug Spence
>ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
>
>
>
An East Coast rescue opportunity...
Replys/inquiries to the address shown in the attached message
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:11:27 -0400
From: Bob Schor <bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu>
To: Info-PDP11(a)transarc.com
Subject: 11/44 Available in NYC
I have just turned off a PDP-11/44 which has been pretty much
continuously running since the early 1980's (I'm not sure when we got it
>from DEC). It is available to anyone
who wants it, but you better act fast, as others are itching to get the
room it is in (and will
probably consign it to the dumpster). There are also two RK06 drives,
but we haven't been
using them for perhaps a decade (using a Winchester disk on a Dilog MSCP
controller).
There are also two DZ boards on this system, plus documentation (again,
act quickly!).
Give me a call or send e-mail ASAP. This machine is located at
Rockefeller University
in New York City. You would need to Come and Get It ...
Bob Schor
University of Pittsburgh
(412) 647-2116
bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu
At 09:23 PM 10/12/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything about the minicomputers
>that Philips were making in the 1970's? They seem to be somewhat uncommon,
>even though a lot of different models seem to have been produced.
>
>Two that I know about are the P850 (a 16 bit machine, with a maximum of 2K
>words of Core and 9 I/O slots, all built from discrete TTL), and the P851
>(a later machine using LSI chips (SPALU was the ALU/register slice, PLANET
>was the control sequencer, taking a maximum of 32K words of MOS RAM). The
>P852, P853, P854, P855 (== P850 with more instructions), P856, P857 and
>P860 are all mentioned in passing in the manuals, but I have no real
>details
>
>
>The other thing I am trying to find information on is the AMT DAP
>(Distributed Array Processor), which seems to have been a square array of
>custom single-bit processors. It's a little too recent for this list (it
>seems to have come out about 9 years ago), but as it's not a PC, I doubt
>anyone will mind discussing it here.
>
>-tony
Just last week I obtained a Philips Micron 2001, with no technical
information, and would like to find out something about it. (Circa 1981)
Thanks
Charlie Fox
At 08:48 PM 10/12/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
>I received a bit of mail from a buddy:
>
>>1) IBM 29 card punch + writer machine fitted into a desk
>
>Does anyone have any information on these two things? My guess is that the
>IBM card machine may be pre-computer (programmed by plugboards, etc.).
Sounds like an IBM 029 keypunch... (pictures and some notes on my website).
-jim
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Hi,
I just got an Apple III with the profile HD. Does anyone knows how I can
access the HD?
I can boot SOS but from there I'm stuck what is the HD designation?
Any info on both the Apple III and the profile HD will be apreciated
Thanks.
Francois
I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything about the minicomputers
that Philips were making in the 1970's? They seem to be somewhat uncommon,
even though a lot of different models seem to have been produced.
Two that I know about are the P850 (a 16 bit machine, with a maximum of 2K
words of Core and 9 I/O slots, all built from discrete TTL), and the P851
(a later machine using LSI chips (SPALU was the ALU/register slice, PLANET
was the control sequencer, taking a maximum of 32K words of MOS RAM). The
P852, P853, P854, P855 (== P850 with more instructions), P856, P857 and
P860 are all mentioned in passing in the manuals, but I have no real
details
The other thing I am trying to find information on is the AMT DAP
(Distributed Array Processor), which seems to have been a square array of
custom single-bit processors. It's a little too recent for this list (it
seems to have come out about 9 years ago), but as it's not a PC, I doubt
anyone will mind discussing it here.
-tony
----------
> From: Richard Cini <rcini(a)email.msn.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Wanted Misc Parts
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 6:13 PM
>
> Does anyone have the following Apple stuff for sale??
<stuff deleted>
Did you know you sent an attachment with your email? "Richard A Cini.vcf"
Why?
Does anyone have the following Apple stuff for sale??
- System Saver fan for the Apple II+/e
- software for the Apple-made Apple II SCSI card
- Mac 400k floppy drive (with or without case)
- Apple SC20 or equiv. external hard drive (the one originally used with
the FatMac;
connects to the floppy port)
- IBM 5-1/4" floppy drive for the original IBM-PC (which I just got from
my uncle). Model is
Tandon TM100-2A with a baseplate number of 172289-001. Mine seems to
have a
short to ground in the spindle motor circuit (board attached to the
rear of the drive).
Alternatively, if anyone has a repair/serivce manual for that
machine or the drive
itself, I can make any repairs to it.
I'd also love to get my hands on a IIci system (for real use) and a Mac
Portable.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<rcini(a)msn.com>
- ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
- MCP Windows 95/Networking
How can I get a copy of a previous list digest? I can't find the message
that I saved that had the list instructions!!
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<rcini(a)msn.com>
- ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
- MCP Windows 95/Networking
At 10:34 PM 10/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>recently seen IPC base units without memory or harddrive for sale for $50.
>>Even with memory $175 is likely too much.
>
>I tend to agree, but would first ask what comes with it monitor (color or
>mono)? Hard drive? If so, how big? KB/mouse? CD-ROM drive?
I kinda thought that was too much... It was $175 for just the box -- no
keyboard or monitor or harddrive. This place was kinda overpriced. I think
I spent too much as it was.
I got the following:
Mac Portable (no ps, condition unknown): 40.00
Altima 2 portable (286, mono VGA, works): 45.00
Grid Gridcase 3 (no ps, cond unknown): 45.00
Dash 030 (1 floppy, 1 340mb HD, cond unk): 100.00
6 bay scsi case (no scsi cable, tho): 15.00
AppleCD 300plus: 15.00
External 300ish Scsi hd: 20.00
Some weren't bad, others were...
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