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by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:04 PM 10/16/97 -0800, you wrote: >If people are interested in this class of machines, I've got 4 >VS2000's currently being used as doorstops. They have a mix And I've got a Dec Rainbow 100 available if anyone's interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Kaypro 10

by oklapokes＠worldnet.att.net

I Would Like A Picture Of The Kaypro 10 Email That File To Oklapokes(a)worldnet.att.net> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread > Index] > > Kaypro 10 needs home > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > * Subject: Kaypro 10 needs home > * From: DASARNO(a)aol.com > * Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:58:07 -0400 (EDT) > * Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > * Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Have a mint condition Kaypro 10, complete with all manuals. Looks like it > came out of the box. Works great, all original software. > > If you know of anyone who has a serious interest, please e-mail me. > > Don Sarno > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Prev by Date: Re: Bad Feelings... > * Next by Date: Re: Bad Feelings... > * Prev by thread: Re: Apple ][ design (was: Bad feelings) > * Next by thread: Re: Kaypro 10 needs home > * Index(es): > o Date > o Thread

28 years, 5 months

Rescue Required - San Diego, CA

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

Gentlemen, I have a solid lead on a VAXstation 2000, a VT-220, a VT-240, and a Rainbow which require rescue in the San Diego area. If anybody is interested, please let me know at my personal address and I'll forward the information on. The machines are available for "the Right Price" and come with doco. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

28 years, 5 months

IBM 3101 terminals

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I take it youve already divested yourself of wife, kids ,and cats > hmmm ? ; ^ )) Never had any of those! (although I'd quite like a cat!) Biggest coup I pulled was when I persuaded my parents to pay L10000 towards buying my house, just to get my collection out of theirs. Philip.

28 years, 5 months

Atari PC's

by thedm＠sunflower.com

20 is pretty much my limit for anything. Hey got a Black Apple finally! and picked up a Midi Card for the //e by "Practical Designs" Anyone have any software or know anything about it? ---------- > From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Atari PC's > Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:33 PM > > At 07:34 PM 10/15/97 -0800, you wrote: > >>Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: > > >You gotta give the guy credit for trying, this is the second time he's had > >this thing up there. No one seems to want to place a minimum bid of $100 > > Yeah, I didn't byte. I've got a couple of different Atari PC cases (empty) > gathering dust in my basement, but I think if it were reasonably priced, (as > in < $20) I'd pick it up. > > Now, if only I'd had the $ to buy the Atari PC Laptop I saw once... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Atari PC's

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:34 PM 10/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: >You gotta give the guy credit for trying, this is the second time he's had >this thing up there. No one seems to want to place a minimum bid of $100 Yeah, I didn't byte. I've got a couple of different Atari PC cases (empty) gathering dust in my basement, but I think if it were reasonably priced, (as in < $20) I'd pick it up. Now, if only I'd had the $ to buy the Atari PC Laptop I saw once... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Allright Experts

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>Here is a really crazy way to get your display that I've used. I've got a >PowerMac 8500/180 which is one of the AV capable Macs. Just for kicks one >day I decided to set up one of my computers up using it for the Display. >Works great, now on my 20" monitor I can have any of the cool computer from >the 80's in a window. Beat's playing with emulators :^) The only problem >is the two keyboards (and sometimes mice), and you can't cut and paste >between the two :^) Totally cool! Hey Rachel, can I bring some computers over to your place? Actually, ya know what, I know your place is kinda crowded, so I will graciously offer to store your PowerMac 8500/180AV at my place... 8^) [for the classiccmp crowd: Rachel is my girlfriend with the cool mac] --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Heroic solutions

by engine＠chac.org

At 08:54 10/16/97 BST, Philip wrote: >Biggest coup I pulled was when I persuaded my parents to pay L10000 >towards buying my house, just to get my collection out of theirs. Good one. I started a Federal nonprofit educational charity to get my collection out of mine.... It kinda got more complicated than I thought it would ;-) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 5 months

UPS Shipping

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

> Yeah, my local UPS service desk implemented these rules 4 or 5 > months ago. I understand, to some extent, UPS's position: they've > been hit by many damage claims over the past couple years by clueless > morons shipping PC-clone type hardware. I, of course, feel > that the rules should be different when the object that I'm shipping > is solid steel and over twenty years old. That doesn't matter to > the UPS droids; it's a "computer part" and they won't ship it. Odd that they can't have a waiver of responsibility. Usually the only thing I'm worried about is losing the package. > 1. Avoid the UPS desk and ship through a "Mailboxes" type place or > (if you're lucky) your employer. The "Mailboxes" type places can > charge substantially more than the actual UPS costs, in many cases. The person at the UPS counter actually recommended this. They do charge that shipping fee though. > 2. Avoid UPS and use USPS or FedEx. USPS or FedEx are far more intelligent > choices for shipping between the US and Canada - they don't charge > a minimum of $30-$40 in processing fees for items with values less than > $5, for starters! For Canada USPS is great. For domestic, they're more expensive. I just think they need to rewrite their guidelines to allow for this stuff. If I was shipping a nice laptop or something extremely valuable, FedEx would definetly be worth it! I think another way would be to pay the one time $5 pickup fee for home pickup. Save all the boxes for one pickup. The counter person said they only do the inspections for counter dropoffs. Interesting. She said they paid out like $800k in computer insurance claims. Then a supervisor saw a usenet post about "getting your computer fixed cheap". Supposedly outlining a way to ship it UPS then file a claim. I see their point but I wonder how much they're losing in business? See, it's that evil internet again. Greg

28 years, 5 months

Bell & Howell making Apples?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:50 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >> Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they >> did, did they license other companies as well? > >Yes and they were all black. I don't think Apple ever licensed the design >to any other company, and I'm surprised that they even licensed it at all. My money says that Apple licensed the II to B&H as a way of getting into schools. B&H made projectors and such for the school market and so buyers are far more likely to buy a Bell and Howell computer than some machine from some company nobody ever heard of. And once the computers were in place, Apple could get in the door by selling Bell and Howell clones... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Info on things old wanted...

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > IBM card machine may be > pre-computer (programmed by plugboards, etc.). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > WHOAH here !! Just a minute !! Are you trying to say that anything > without a LSI chip or integrated circuit-board is a "pre-computer" ? Eeek! What's it got to do with LSI? Surely that just means that computers started with the Manchester Small Scale Experimental Machine in 1948? (For details, see http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/prog98/ ) Personally, I think that the later (Ferranti?) machines with ferrite plug programming were also computers, but there you are... Philip.

28 years, 5 months

Atari PC's

by sinasohn＠crl.com

For those who thought Atari only made proprietary stuff... Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: <http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?item_id=201429746> Seems to be a ebay-style auction site. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Wait...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I may have saved myself - don't unsub me yet - this might work out...

28 years, 5 months

Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots of info on older, long since discontinued drives. The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain. If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist

28 years, 5 months

Well, this is it.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I'm quitting my job. I'll be saving all my PDP stuff, minus the rack (Can't haul it, probably losing it.) Please unsubscribe me from the list. I'll resub when I get my new mail address. Good luck to all. Daniel Seagraves

28 years, 5 months

Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

28 years, 5 months

Old PC Mag article + Bit Rot

by rcini＠email.msn.com

This weekend, my uncle gave me issues #2 and #3 of PC Magazine, in addition to issue 1 of PC World. Anywa, issues 2 and 3 of PC Mag had a great article on the Altair which carried over from issue 1 and continued forward. Does anyone have copies of the other parts of the article?? Second, on the topic of bit rot, what is the "BRQ" (bit-rot quotient, or time to bit rot) for older 5-1/4" diskettes and EPROMS? Third, does anyone have a copy of Copy-II-PC? Thanks again! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 5 months

Old PC Mag article + Bit Rot

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Richard A. Cini said: > Second, on the topic of bit rot, what is the "BRQ" (bit-rot quotient, or time to bit rot) for older 5-1/4" diskettes and EPROMS? The whole "BRQ" thing had been discussed shortly after the beginning of the list, and most of the wonderful suggestions/opinions/facts/data exists in a FAQ that was created from many of the first discussions... Unforch, I haven't a URL really handy... Bill Whitson should know of it's location, tho. Hey-ho Bill--- are you up and around yet??? May have the URL at home, but Wifey wants shelves up tonite... I guess I won't be dialing in this evening........ HTH, tho it's not much I know, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

28 years, 5 months

UPS Shipping

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Has anyone else had to deal with the new UPS guidelines? Our shipping > counter has introduced new guidelines for shipping computers. Any > computer must be double boxed and packed in 4" of foam. Ok fine. But you > can't use peanuts. Oh, and if it's a computer that works, it will be > unpacked, tested, repacked then shipped. If it doesn't work it will be > returned to you. Good luck. Ouch! But I've not heard of UPS (apart from as an abbreviation for Uninterruptible Power Supply). Is this a shipping company, a regulatory body or something else? > I see the point if they were checking $500 laptops or more. Most stuff I > ship is valued at $30 or less. But there are no limits on value for this > procedure. I figured it was worth the chance of paying a $30 claim for > them not to go through all that. But all computer products and possibly > all electronic products will be inspected. Brilliant! What if I'm not a hacker? My computer breaks down. I ship it to the manufacturer for repair. Oh dear, it's just been returned to me - they can't ship it because it failed on test... > On top of this, all computer parts like keyboards, etc must be packed > individually and shipped individually. Nothing like 2x, 3x, > 4x...shipping costs. So much for those lots of extra parts. Splendid! What about the IBM System/23 that fails diagnostics if the printer isn't connected (although this can be bypassed)? What if I do ship the keyboard separately for some obscure machine? How are they going to test it then? Will they even know which keyboard belongs to which computer? Not easy to tell at a glance (say) a PS/2 keyboard from an RS/6000 one (don't ask how I found that out!) > I think I'll be writing "household goods" or "books" on my shipments > from now on. Either that or start sending my stuff there for the "$5 > testing special"! Basically this sounds like some well-meaning bureaucrat making rules before thinking through the implications. How about "computer parts" for a shipment description, though? It's accurate for a computer, an incomplete computer, a broken computer or a box of computers... Philip. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement - und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn. Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk

28 years, 5 months

Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by william＠ans.net

> HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). Do tell... William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

28 years, 5 months

UPS Shipping

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Has anyone else had to deal with the new UPS guidelines? Our shipping counter has introduced new guidelines for shipping computers. Any computer must be double boxed and packed in 4" of foam. Ok fine. But you can't use peanuts. Oh, and if it's a computer that works, it will be unpacked, tested, repacked then shipped. If it doesn't work it will be returned to you. Good luck. I see the point if they were checking $500 laptops or more. Most stuff I ship is valued at $30 or less. But there are no limits on value for this procedure. I figured it was worth the chance of paying a $30 claim for them not to go through all that. But all computer products and possibly all electronic products will be inspected. On top of this, all computer parts like keyboards, etc must be packed individually and shipped individually. Nothing like 2x, 3x, 4x...shipping costs. So much for those lots of extra parts. I think I'll be writing "household goods" or "books" on my shipments >from now on. Either that or start sending my stuff there for the "$5 testing special"!

28 years, 5 months

CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I am the proud owner of a Timex Sinclair 1500 with 2050 modem, and im American enough since I have my own firearm. Now be nice. ---------- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 8:53 AM > > oh jeez, not again! didnt we have this holy war for several weeks earlier > this year about something similar? put it in private, please! > > david > > In a message dated 97-10-15 02:22:33 EDT, you write: > > << Sam Ismail wrote: > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > > > > > OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the > > > world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not > > > > Oh, so you didn't actually check your facts then? > > > > > excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is > > > NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been > > > produced in Russia, Portugal, Brasil, Hungaria, Corea and god know where > > > else and surely many are not in any official statistics ...... > > > > Actually, the USA *IS* the centre of the world. And the UNIVERSE for > > that matter. And we *HATE* the Spectrum in the USA. The Spectrum is > > un-American, and we American's hate things that aren't American, because > > America is the BEST! > > > > And don't you forget that you euro-trash! > > > Here we go again....if it makes you happy..... > > I am still waiting for your answer abotu the Spectrum exhibit. > > Thank you > > enrico > > There you go, Enrico. The abuse you are screaming out for. >>

28 years, 5 months

System statistics debate

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Gentlemen, Perhaps I can calm the waters a little by pointing out that the statistical claims made by Sinclair regarding the ZX and Spectrum computers were quite probably true AT THAT TIME. Numbers have a habit of changing over time especially when companies go bankrupt. So any such claims must always be considered in the context that they were made. I would presume that the IBM PC and its clones probably handily wins the statistical race today, but we can always hope that that will change in the future ;-) -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

28 years, 5 months

CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

oh jeez, not again! didnt we have this holy war for several weeks earlier this year about something similar? put it in private, please! david In a message dated 97-10-15 02:22:33 EDT, you write: << Sam Ismail wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > > > OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the > > world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not > > Oh, so you didn't actually check your facts then? > > > excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is > > NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been > > produced in Russia, Portugal, Brasil, Hungaria, Corea and god know where > > else and surely many are not in any official statistics ...... > > Actually, the USA *IS* the centre of the world. And the UNIVERSE for > that matter. And we *HATE* the Spectrum in the USA. The Spectrum is > un-American, and we American's hate things that aren't American, because > America is the BEST! > > And don't you forget that you euro-trash! > Here we go again....if it makes you happy..... I am still waiting for your answer abotu the Spectrum exhibit. Thank you enrico > There you go, Enrico. The abuse you are screaming out for. >>

28 years, 5 months

Keypunch fro 96 column cards

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

James Willing asked: > Now, while the System 3 had a reader/punch for these cards, I can't for > the life of me ever remember seeing a stand-alone keypunch unit for this > format card. I may be showing my age here ;-) but I definitely have used a 96 column card punch. That would have been soon after I joined Burroughs in the early '70s. It was most certainly a Burroughs or Burroughs badged product. As far as finding any, sorry can't help there. -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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