Someone gave me a box of 10 or so DEC LK201 keyboards.
A couple of them work and the rest do not.
Several seem to have the same problem in that the 4 status
LED's all light up, but the keyboard does not respond.
Has anyone encountered this problem and repaired the
keyboard?
Does anyone have a schematic for this keyboard that they
could copy and send to me? Having several DEC machines,
it would be nice to have a few spare keyboards.
Thanks,
Mike Thompson
At 03:41 PM 10/23/97 -0600, you wrote:
>You know, I think my generation was the last to learn about using
>the slide rule in highschool (I graduated in 1979). In 1975, when I
>was a freshman, all students in my school were requied to learn
I started HS in '79 and I was the only person I knew that knew what one was
(other than *some* of the teachers.) Still got mine.
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 11:47 PM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>lasertag target for $0.90! BTW, anyone remember when lasertag was popular?
>I have a set of two guns and two (now three) targets and was thinking about
>putting them on ebay.
Yep... There's a new version on the market (saw 'em at both Toys-R-Us and
Price Club.) Used to (still do?) have a rifle and a couple of handguns,
plus a target or two. Had a lot of fun with them!
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Dear Colleagues,
I am the information systems coordinator of a large social service
agency in Boston that owns a System 36 that we no longer use.
In addition to the system itself, we have a printer, software, manuals,
and several workstations.
Can you give us some assistance in donating or recycling our
equipment?
Many thanks!
Best regards from Deborah Elizabeth Finn
Information Systems
Family Service of Greater Boston
34 1/2 Beacon Street
Boston, MA 02108
617-523-6400, ext. 5506 (voice)
617-523-3034 (fax)
fsgb(a)fsgb.org (internet)
deborah909(a)aol.com (internet)
Holepunching them doesn't work. I tried. Format resets the drive about 8
times and says Device Error. Attempting to boot from one says Controller
Failure. I know the device works, I use it for the 3 RX02s I do have.
Oh well.
BTW, anyone know where I can get an RL02 pack cheap?
> You folks are all young sprouts... when I was in H.S. (1938) our AV
>equipment was a wind up phonograph (disks, not cylinders,) and a lantern
>slide projector. Once someone from Bell Telephone brought in a movie
>projector and showed films! Calculations? they were done with a pencil on
>"foolscap". And no, I didn't have Socrates for a teacher.
I went through HS on a slide rule. Someone brought in an electromechanical
calculator to my math class, and I fell in love with it. <sigh>
ps Where did "Foolscap" get its name? E-mail me... (extremely off-topic)
manney(a)nwohio.com
Of the Seimens FDD 100-5 drives on my Osborne I, drive A is worn and
tempermental. I am trying to switch A and B. There are no obvious jumpers,
and cable connections are identical to both drives.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks
Charlie Fox
Just got this, if anybody is interested then follow up directly to him.
------- Forwarded Message
From: leelouden(a)webtv.net (Lee Louden)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:44:01 -0700
To: collector(a)heydon.org
Subject: TRS-80 Model II
I have, and am currently using the above mentioned. It is a complete
system with original desk and matching printer stand. The original
system without extra software sold for 10k. I am the original owner and
have taken good care of it . This is the 8" floppy drive system with a
triple expansion bay, modem and daisey wheel printer. Any interest?
------- End of Forwarded Message
--
Kevan
Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/
Well I been at again and found some good ones, list to follow. We've got a
big Hamfest and computer sale this weekend in St. Paul (MN) and I hope to
find a few things there got my ticket already. Well on to the list:
1. SOROC IQ120 for $5, this is the first monitor I purchased back 1978 for
my Nortstar that I got for $3200 wow now a get them for 1 to 5 dollars.
2. Amstrad pc-20 with all the manuals but no monitor for free.
3. CPT SRS45 tower with monitor but no KB $5.00
4. IBM 3864-2 type II for free
5. Mac SE with 1 mbyte ram, 800k FD and 20sc HD for $5
6. Data General One with power brick and it works $5
7. Zenith ZF-158-42 for $5
8. Laser Pal 386sx with KB, no monitor, manuals and software disk $5
9. IBM type 3476 monitor for $5
10. two boxes full of manuals and old software for free
11. Sun model 4/20FM-8 monitor for $5
12. Sun 3/110c-B cpu chip taken out but got the case and some boards for $5
13. Apple MAC II no KB or monitor for $5
14. 2 Sum mice and two KB a type 5c and a type with cables for free
15. MT1000 controller that works for free
16. Sun 3/260HM-8 case only all the boards were gone for $5
17. SPARCstation IPC with HD taken and memory all gone and unit taken apart
so the guy gave it to me for free.
That's the short list the first three days of this week and I have picked up
over 35 items but the wife is starting to ask questions. I've had to rent
another storage unit to hold my collection. I'm working with two different
groups right now trying to get a building to house a museum and hope to get
some State and federal help with the funds. Keep computing !!
Today I went to 3 thrift stores from Hopkins to Bloomington to St. Paul and
found a few items. Sun 3/160S-4 seems to be all there will try to fire it
up this weekend, another Sun 4/20FM-8 monitor, Apple language cards, tape
and HD rack for Sun 160, Apple IIc Plus with the 3.5 FD and built-in power
supply will test this weekend this is my second one of these I got the first
in St. Louis MO this past summer at a flea market, I got some other items
but have not written them down yet it was too cold at the storage unit so I
just unloaded the car and left. The highest price item was $10, the other
were either $5 or free. Good hunting to all
Roger Merchberger wrote:
> 1) I have a couple co-processors -- make me an offer.
Yes please! I need a 387SX in a 68 pin plcc to go in the bottom of a
Compaq LTE Lite 20. $15?
> 2) I saw several emulators, but the only one I found that actually worked
> well, the file was called "FRANKE87" and was German in origin. It actually
> fooled AutoCad 10 into believing there was a co-processor chip on my 386SX
> and actually did speed up FP instructions (measured with CheckIt).
Emulator doesn't interest me - I'm not likely to run much serious stuff
on my PC anyway...
> I may have a copy of it somewhere, but that's no guarantee, as my 386 has
> been sold for a coupla years now, and my P150+ doesn't need it. ;-)
You've got a WHAT? Go and wash your mouth out with soap and water and
don't ever mention the word P*****m on this list again! ;-) (At least,
not until it's ten years old)
Seriously, though, I found when looking around last year (when I
got the Compaq laptops) that most of the electronics catalogues
_didn't_ contain the 80387 any more. I must search the net...
Philip.
I hit some of the same places except garage sales. Just look out for
private thrift and talk with the manager must are willing to work with if
you take it by the load and not try to pick out just the ones you want. I
can get real low prices by working it that way, must times they don't have
that much. I talk to people at the goodwills that I meet there and give them
one of my cards my wife made. These cards id me as a Computer Collector and
gives my home phone and e-mail address. These cards have gotten me alot of
free items. Well good luck and Keep Computing !!
At 10:54 AM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I suspect this question would be a good addition to an FAQ...
>
>Where do you tend to go to find classic computer equipment? Around here
(Delaware) I hit garage sales (pretty slim pickin's), swap meets, Salvation
Army and Goodwill. A local chemical company has a surplus disposition
center that parcels out a limited number of PC and Mac systems. In
addition, there's a twice-weekly Goodwill that has occasionally yielded
something useful.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>-- Tony
>
>
You,re right just s slip of the tongue, I used my first one with a northstar
as it had no KB or video with it.
At 07:08 PM 10/22/97 -0800, you wrote:
>> 1. SOROC IQ120 for $5, this is the first monitor I purchased back 1978 for
>> my Nortstar that I got for $3200 wow now a get them for 1 to 5 dollars.
>
>I may be remembering things wrong, but I thought a IQ120 was a terminal,
>not a monitor.
>
>Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
>
>
Is anyone interested in a Head Start Explorer (seems to be an XT with
built-in CGA). Has a dead floppy, no hard drive. Boots up fine on ROM.
manney(a)nwohio.com
>Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a
>pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the
>youngest collector of old computers.
One of my customers is (I think) a Freshman; he collects old stuff. That
would make him 14 or 15. Another, Steve O., just joined the group (you
listening, Steve?). He's young, but I don't know how young.
Not all of us are ancient.
I just picked up a Kaypro 2 (with several missing keys) at one of the
local Salvation Army stores.
It won't recognize my Kaypro II disks, and it takes longer to come up with
the "I cannot read your diskette" message than the Kaypro II does (when I
shove MS-DOS disks in them).
Is the Kaypro 2 broken, or does it use a different disk format from the
Kaypro II? I notice that the startup message is different, so they must
have different ROM revisions.
What are the differences (other than the obvious cosmetic differences)
between these two models?
Thanks.
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
At 02:03 AM 10/22/97 -0500, I wrote:
>Thanks for the info! Do you know if it's positive on the inside or outside?
>(either + -O)- - or - -O)- + ?)
Oh fiddle. I meant to send that directly to the person I was replying to,
but I goofed. Sorry. But thanks anyway to all who responded.
Btw, I think that the page I quoted went a little overboard. I don't think
you *have* to replace the 9volt battery with an adapter, but you can.
(Duh.) Still, I saw the switch that requires removing the L-A battery cover
(and presumably, you would want to remove the battery as well to run off
AC?) I'll report back after trying it out. (I picked up a variable power
adapter from RatShack today 'cause I've got quite a few machines missing
adapters.)
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Hey Folks::
I found this on CSA2 newsgroup. Thought some of you in the bay area
might be interested. I would LOVE to go but it's a long way from
Minnesota. If anyone does attend, I would like to hear about how it was
rob
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+ please forward and post as appropriate within the Bay area +
Bay Area Computer History Perspectives
and
The Computer Museum History Center
present
"Early User Interface Design at Apple"
Larry Tesler and Chris Espinosa
Stagecast Software Apple Computer
5:30 PM, Tuesday, Oct. 28
Computer Museum History Center
Building 126
Moffett Field
Mt. View
(directions at end)
Note: if you plan to attend, please reply to Zoe Allison at
415/604-2575, or send email with your name to allison(a)tcm.org.
Please indicate if you aren't a US citizen, thanks.
When Larry Tesler came to Apple in 1980 from Xerox Palo Alto Research
Center, he introduced user interface testing to the Lisa project. Only
recently did Larry learn that Chris Espinosa had conducted Apple II
user interface testing a couple of years earlier. This program will
review the story of early user interface design at Apple, up to 1984,
for the Apple II, the Lisa, and the Mac.
Larry and Chris will be presenting original internal Apple memos and
drawings from the period which have not been shown previously in
public. A historic videotape will also be shown of actual Lisa user
interface testing, among the earliest such tests at Apple. This program
is free and open to the public.
In 1980 Larry Tesler managed applications software and user interface
design for the Lisa division, and later became VP and Chief Scientist
at Apple. He is now president of Stagecast, a K-12 software startup.
Chris Espinosa started working at Apple at the age of 14, bicycling
over after school to do the weekly Apple II demos. He later worked on
the original Mac design team, and recently has managed the Media Tools
group at Apple.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Next program:
November 12: The influence of Doug Engelbart's work over the last 30
years.
These lectures are sponsored by The Computer Museum History Center and
Sun Microsystems.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Directions: from highway 101 in Mt. View, take the Moffett Field exit
(ignore any signs or exits for Moffett Blvd.). You will come
immediately up to the Moffett Field main gate. Park to the right side
of the gate, in the visitor's parking area, and go into the Visitor
Office building to get a badge and further directions.
Remember to call 415/604-2575, or email allison(a)tcm.org, if you plan
to attend.
--
Dag Spicer
Manager of Historical Collections
The Computer Museum History Center
Moffett Federal Airfield
Mountain View, CA 94035
Offices: Building T-12A
Exhibit Area: Building 126
Tel: +1 650 604 2578
Fax: +1 650 604 2594
E-m: spicer(a)tcm.org
WWW: http://www.tcm.org
<spicer(a)tcm.org> PGP: 15E31235 (E6ECDF74 349D1667 260759AD 7D04C178)
I will have soon:
A PDP-11/84. Working. It has an RL02, but no pack.
And more!
I do have now:
A DEQNA network card.
Now I just gotta get Fuzzball to build...
I may have my 11/23+ up soon!
around 1984-1985, we had all apples in hi skool mostly //e's and epson fx80
printers but there were a few ][+ models in an adjoining room. i remember
going to a mall once and seeing an apple ///, but was unfamiliar with it.
in 1986 at a community college, they had more //e models, trs80 model 3
machines, i think, and ibm XTs with cga monitors. i never used anything else
until around 1988 when i discovered a friend with an atari 800xl with the
1050 disk drive and i used that to type in programs from the magazine called
compute, of which i still have the issues.
david
Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote:
>HP brought the 2000A timeshared BASIC system out in...1967? I know
>there were some (later models, 2000F and 2000 Access) still in service
>at various Washington DC suburban area high schools into the early
>1980s at least, maybe into the mid-1980s. Prince Georges County
>(Maryland) and Fairfax County (Virginia) both had them, maybe others
>too.
In Orange County, California, the local community college ran an
HP2000/Access system utilized by the local high schools. Each school
had Digital LA36 and Lear-Siegler ADM-3A terminals connected at a
blazing 300 baud. It still running at the time of my graduation in
1983. I have fond memories of the HP system, having written many pro-
grams on it (including one that triggered an "OUT OF MEMORY" error...
talk about the need for optimized code!) If memory serves, the beast
was decommissioned several years later.
Regards,
Jason Brady jrbrady(a)mindspring.com Seattle, WA
<Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a
<pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the
<youngest collector of old computers.
Frightening. ;-)
here are some numbers
If you are in highschool now:
-0 PCs are known as current
if highschool was x years ago:
1990 PCs and macs
1985 Apples, macs, Rainbows, PRO350s maybe some PCs
1980 s100, apple][, swtp, LSI11, micronova Microprocessor chips
1977 PDP-11, vax, nova Some LSI and bit slice
1971 PDP-8, PDP-10 TTL mostly, some utilogic and transistors
FYI the main computers in the shuttle are this era technology.
1965 PDP-5 Transistors.
1960 First generation transistors, vacuum tubes
1952 first commercial machines, tubes
1947 prototypes, tubes and relays
If you were like me and did electronics as a kid following on to a career
then everything made from '64-65ish on was current at one time or another
to me. Then again I went to the NY worlds fair 1964/5!
Allison
