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by pjoules＠enterprise.net

Lawrence Walker said: >Check out the Portfolio home page at > http://www.mcc.ac.uk/~dlms/Port/portfolio.html www.mcc.ac.uk says: >The link that you have followed points to a document that does not exist. Please >contact the author(s) of the referer document to ask them to remove/correct the >pointer. Is the page gone or is the URL wrong? Regards Pete #include <std_disclaimer>

28 years, 5 months

Please subscribe me to the classic computing email list

by RWood54741＠worldnet.att.net

Thanks, Bob Wood

28 years, 5 months

resubscribe?

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Ok, I've had my sulk, can I resubscribe? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

28 years, 5 months

Space problems in the UK and US

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:30 AM 10/28/97 +0000, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a good universal monitor that can be used with a >large number of home micros? For many of the 8-bit micros that use a Composite(?) input (Commie, Atari, I think Coco's, etc.) the Commodore 1702 (And I think 1802?) monitors were fantastic. They also had the advantage of having standard video/audio RCA inputs on the front, so they can double as a Telly. All you need to do is hook it up to a VCR or maybe even just a cable box. I did this for years, and even once when my dad was in the hospital, brought it in wiht a VCR so he could watch movies. Nice and compact. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

new addition: atari portfolio

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

while searching around town for a mac II video card, i came across this little machine for $10 at a computer parts store! not long ago, some idiot was trying to sell something similar for $100. seems to be psuedo ibm compatible and i got the printer interface in its original box and a quick ref guide for the preloaded apps. mine also came with a 64k mem card with a battery backup. other than a cracked lcd hinge, seems to be pretty neat. if anyone has a source for more info, i'd love to hear about it. another good thing is the the space it takes up is negligable! =D david

28 years, 5 months

Portable History

by sinasohn＠crl.com

I got to thinking about VCF 2.0 and decided I might like to do a talk about the history of portable computing. But, knowing my track record in regards to such things, I figure I better start researching now in order to be ready for VCF 3.0 or 4.0! So, I'd like to hear from anyone who has a story to tell about the history of portable computers and such, or has any data on what the first portable, first laptop, first handheld, etc. was etc. Also, any interesting portables you have in your collection or know about, please tell me. Basically, if it has to do with portable computing (or even relates to it in some obscure way) I'd like to hear about it. Please e-mail me directly at <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>. I'll take anything I can get, compile it, and see if I can come up with something. Thanks! P.S., I do collect portable computers (which somehow doesn't explain the Mini's in the basement) so if you have any you want to get rid of... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Fido is far from dead!

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:38 AM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the >>Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. > > Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in Whups! I did not mean to imply at all that Fido was dead. Only that I was communicating with people around the world long before most of us heard about the Internet. I think Fido is great and I'm glad to hear it is still going strong. > I have a wide assortment of BBS software oriented towards DOS-based >systems. My pacakge of choice is RemoteAccess 2.01. If there's someone on Is RemoteAccess a Fido compatible BBS or a terminal pgm? Do you know where to get the Fido software? Btw, is Tom(?) Jennings (is that his name? the author of Fido) still around in the Fido world? I met him once -- a true genius, and definitely deserves greater acclaim than he has received. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

No at both places I'm waiting on their management to make a deal. Will post when I get the call. At 07:14 PM 10/30/97 +0300, you wrote: >Has anything happened since the 25th? I just want to know... because I >just started collecting and really want to grab a few systems. (Can people >who already have one of the systems that I'm interested in let me have >first dibbs?) > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > >---------- >From: Lawrence Walker <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming >Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 11:18 AM > >> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 -0500 >> Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >> From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> >> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> Subject: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue >coming > >> Thanks to those who e-mailed me to keep the list going, I too like to see >> what others are finding and the price items are going for. This also to >> helps hear about computers and other items that I may have never seen or >> hear of. But first about the rescue - I have located about one half of a >> 20,000 sq ft warehouse FULL of computers, monitors, printers, manuals, >sales >> promo items, old software, system disk. I'm talking C64 to SUN to maybe >> HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). I >spent >> the last two Saturdays trying to work out a deal and hope to know this >week >> or next if can start unloading these items for them. I will send out an >> e-mail to all as soon as I get the word. > I, for one, love your listings. Keep on, keep on, keep on. > >ciao larry > >lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com > >

28 years, 5 months

Commodore 64, Vic 20, Lotsa software each + Pong Game Looking for home.

by houghtom＠metro.net

I have a Commodore 64 and a Vic 20, both operational, and both with lotsa software and goodies. The Vic 20 has an operational tape drive and about 10 cartriges. The 64 has a disk drive, and tons of disks worth of games and programs. They are currently seeking a home at a reasonable price. Know anyone interested? I also have a Pong game, fully operational, somewhere in the recesses of my attic. I know those are going as collector's items now. Where would I go to find a market? Thanks, m

28 years, 5 months

Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠mindspring.com

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:39:31 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa wrote: > >>Ok, how about a 9511A or 9512 math co-processor chip (Intel 8231A or 8232)? >>The Intel web site has info on the 8231A only.... > >Part of the difficulty with many of these parts is that they were >so expensive in the first place, that most designers found some >way of avoiding them. The 9512 that I own, for example, cost over >US$200 when it was purchased as an option with the Compupro >System Support 1. Ouch...$200 in the early 80's was a fair amount of money. I can see why designers would try to avoid utilizing it if at all possible. According to the Intel web site, Rochester Electronics has been licensed to produce many of Intel's older NMOS chips. The news release used the 8231A as an example. I haven't browsed the Rochester site lately, but as of several weeks ago, the chip didn't appear in their inventory. If offered for sale, wonder how much they'll charge? Jason jrbrady(a)mindspring.com Seattle, WA

28 years, 5 months

Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by sinasohn＠crl.com

In regards to the Haggle Apple I, If you check out the guy's web page, it sounds like he's open to offers. If I could even imagine myself with $10K without falling over laughing at the absurdity, I'd make him an offer. Unfortunately he says explicitly that an offer of $300 (the most I could hope to raise) would definitely be turned down. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I want a Sun, a NeXT cube. I would be interested in the componets, but I don't have any working clasics. Only a broken down XT. I'm trying to get it working. Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 7:48 PM > Has anything happened since the 25th? I just want to know... because I > just started collecting and really want to grab a few systems. (Can people > who already have one of the systems that I'm interested in let me have > first dibbs?) I forget exactly which systems you're interested in, but I thought I'd use this opportunity to repost my list of Data General hardware that I want to find a good home for. Some of the quantities given below have changed slightly as boxes have found their way to worthy owners, but this is but a small perturbation in the total mass of stuff (around 5000 pounds or so.) Qty Model No Manufacturer Description ----- ----------- ------------- --------------------- 11 6045/6050 DG 10 MB disk drive 2 MK8024-BC-02 Mostek 128K * 21 Bit SC memory board 2 MK8024-AC-03 Mostek 128K * 21 Bit SC memory board 1 T5 12140 R08 DG 256K Memory Board (BBU) 6 T005 12132 R07 DG 32K Memory board (BBU) 5 4063 DG Quad TTY Multiplexer Board 3 DR225S Dataram 512K * 21 Bit SC Memory Board 5 T005 12383 R02 DG 64K * 21 Bit SC Memory Board 1 ? ? ADC PLT LPT board 14 Various DG Basic I/O controller board 3 PA5A1F CDC CDC FSD drive 1 77708010 CDC Lark 9457 disk drive 2 17/27 Spectra Logic Disk & Mag Tape controller 1 17+ Spectra Logic Disk ^ Mag Tape controller 9 T005 03982 R39 DG Disk controller 3 4234 DG Disk controller 3 Spectra 10 Spectra Logic Disk Drive controller 1 ? ? EDS 302 Sync Exp 2 SO#21496 DG Expansion Chassis 1 SO#9578 DG Expansion Chassis 1 T005 10043 R06 DG I/O Bus Repeater model 8315 1 005022462 DG IAC/16 1 T005 21298 R06 DG IAC 2-8 Board 1 4235A DG Intelligent Ethernet Controller 3 D503A CDC Lark Drive Controller 1 77708101 CDC Lark Disk Drive P/S Module 1 5091 Datum Mag tape controller 5 TC120 Western Periphs Mag tape controller 13 T005 6732 R11 DG MCA 4206 Board 1 P5 Keronix Memory Board 2 CE8885 DG MV/7800C Chassis 3 T005 24496 R00 DG MV/7800C CPU board w 4 MB 2 T5 20141 R24/29 DG MV/7800C P/S board 5 T005 13885 R00 DG MMPUI MOD 2 board 2 CE8885 DG MV/7800 C computer chassis 3 T005 24496 R00 DG MV/7800 C Cpu board w/4MB 2 T5 20141 R24 DG MV7800 C P/S Board 7 C8393-H DG Nova 4 Chassis, VNR Unit, Fan module 6 T005 12786 DG Nova 4 CPU board 1 T005 12067 R15 DG Nova 4 CPU board 1 T005 12788 R21 DG Nova 4 CPU board 6 T5 19489 DG Nova 4 P/S board 1 T5 18878 R00 DG Nova 4 P/S board 1 ? ? Nova Cassette I/O 3 ? DG Nova PIO DMA 2 ? DG Nova P/S module 3 T005 3575 R06 DG Programmable Interval Timer 5 8611 DG S130 Computer Chassis 5 T005 3165 DG S130 CPU 1 Board 5 T005 8523 DG S130 CPU 2 Board 6 T005 7181 DG S130 P/S module 6 4243/T005 17346 DG ULM5 Async Mux Controller Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

28 years, 5 months

Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Has anything happened since the 25th? I just want to know... because I just started collecting and really want to grab a few systems. (Can people who already have one of the systems that I'm interested in let me have first dibbs?) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Lawrence Walker <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 11:18 AM > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 -0500 > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming > Thanks to those who e-mailed me to keep the list going, I too like to see > what others are finding and the price items are going for. This also to > helps hear about computers and other items that I may have never seen or > hear of. But first about the rescue - I have located about one half of a > 20,000 sq ft warehouse FULL of computers, monitors, printers, manuals, sales > promo items, old software, system disk. I'm talking C64 to SUN to maybe > HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). I spent > the last two Saturdays trying to work out a deal and hope to know this week > or next if can start unloading these items for them. I will send out an > e-mail to all as soon as I get the word. I, for one, love your listings. Keep on, keep on, keep on. ciao larry lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com

28 years, 5 months

Interesting Computer Found...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I was looking for a keyboard for a computer that I'm putting together, when I found an interestnig contraption. I don't know if any of you have seen the new IBM Aptiva S series, but this looks similiar. The keyboard has two 3.5" diskette drives on the top, they're not moveable. They could be DS/DD, or DS/HD, I don't know. The computer looks like it only has 2 parts: The CPU/Keyboard, and the monitor. The keyboard's function keys are small, rectangular, about the size of calculator buttons, and colored yellow with blue writing. I don't know the brand name, I'm trying to aquire it. Is this a classic? What are it's specs? Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 5 months

Wanted: RD-51

by manney＠nwohio.com

I've got an ST-412...came out of an Epson, I think. manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Wanted: RD-51 >> Yes, as odd as is seems I'm looking for a functional RD-51 or equiv. 10mb >> MFM hard drive. (ST-412, etc.) >> >> I'm trying to reload an operating system onto one of my Micro PDP-11 >> systems, and it insists that it will only install to an RD-51 drive. > >You tell us which operating system this is, but most revisions of >RT-11, RSX-11M+, and RSTS/E aren't that picky about MSCP devices. > >> So... if anyone has one lying about that needs a purpose, please drop me a >> note. > >Just about any MFM hard drive can be pressed into service as a RD51 >(as it is *almost* the lowest common denominator in MFM drives, after >you forget about the original ST506). If you've got a larger physical disk, >you just tell the RQDX formatter that you're using to format it as >a smaller logical disk. > >Which RQDX formatter are you using, BTW? > >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) >

28 years, 5 months

VCF

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:32 AM 10/27/97 -0800, you wrote: >I attended the Vintage Computer Festival this weekend. I had one hell >of a good time. I enjoyed talking with just about everyone. I didn't I concur wholeheartedly. I didn't get to spend as much time there as I would have liked, and certainly wasn't as prepared as I could have been, and didn't help out anywhere near as much as I should have, but I did have a blast. I picked up a few things (a couple of 8-bit atari Carts, a TRS-80 Model 102 with some sort of really weird modification, a Mac II for Rachel's classroom), didn't sell anything, but did manage to find homes for what I didn't want to bring home. (Tip: If you tell Marvin you're going to throw something in the dumpster, he'll take it even if it means making his wife hold it on her lap on the way home. 8^) (P.S., Hope you guys made it home okay!) I also talked to a couple of people who aren't on the list but want to be, so I'm going to send them the signup address (I shoulda written it down before going.) >I want to thank Sam and everyone who helped out for making the VCF a >reality. I will attend and participate (hopefully more) next year >without hesitation. It was Nerdvana. Likewise! Next year I think I'll fill two tables both days instead of one table one day. It was neat to be able to display some of my collection in public. (Next year I'll get it together and get some of my stuff into the main exhibits.) Sam, you did one hell of a bang-up job. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

An Idea That Probably Won't Work...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello everyone. I've been interested in clasics for quite some time, but I just had an idea that will make collecting easier for all of us. It's what I call a "Componet Showcase", where, instead of showing a system, you simply show... say, an 8-bit ISA card, or a old 16 K ram chip. What I mean is a system that's made of a custom board, if possible compatible with as many systems as possible. (I know that Apple figuresd out how to get x86 chips working with their systems.), and also a system, that, in it's own right, may become a classic of it's own. (In about 15 years: They're great systems, but they only made a few dozen, for a computer collecting club) I don't have enough knowledge for something like this, but if any of you could help me, I'm sure that together we can get something done. Here's another possibility for this system: Catalog. So what we'd do is equip it with a modem (a 2400 baud or so should do), made for the sole purpose of checking group e-mails. There would be a catalog that would have a list of systems, monitors, componets, etc. With "links" to these componets. It's just a dream, but with the help of everyone, it can be much more. Bye for now, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 5 months

Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by engine＠chac.org

At 11:38 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >Just found this under the "Antique Computer" Listing at Haggle.com.... >someone's got an Apple 1 for sale... opening bid requested: $17,000.00. Matt can say "laugh of the day," but a couple of years ago I did authentication and provenance on one that sold for $12,000, the last one I SAW sell went for $22,000, and there's one for sale in Southern California (with Apple packaging, full paperwork and a signed letter from Jobs,) for $30,000 -- it hasn't gone yet, but it will, probably to Japan. Yes, $17K is (mildly) a deal. AFAIK there are only about eighty of the little dears left, and think of the number of people who want one. To tell the truth, in the last year or so there's begun to be concern about counterfeiting. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 5 months

Pong Game looking for home.

by engine＠chac.org

At 15:56 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >I also have a Pong game, fully operational, somewhere in the recesses of my >attic. I know those are going as collector's items now. Where would I go >to find a market? You don't by any chance mean a Pong ARCADE game, do you? __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 5 months

Fido is far from dead!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Okay, I don't know where to get any software; remember, I'm out in the middle of nowhere. If someone could send me something, that would be great. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Fido is far from dead! Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 1:56 AM At 07:38 AM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the >>Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. > > Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in Whups! I did not mean to imply at all that Fido was dead. Only that I was communicating with people around the world long before most of us heard about the Internet. I think Fido is great and I'm glad to hear it is still going strong. > I have a wide assortment of BBS software oriented towards DOS-based >systems. My pacakge of choice is RemoteAccess 2.01. If there's someone on Is RemoteAccess a Fido compatible BBS or a terminal pgm? Do you know where to get the Fido software? Btw, is Tom(?) Jennings (is that his name? the author of Fido) still around in the Fido world? I met him once -- a true genius, and definitely deserves greater acclaim than he has received. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Avatex 2400

by nathan.pryor＠juno.com

Do you still have the Avatex 2400 modem and how much do you want for it I have one of them but I lost the manual and need dipswitch settings Nathan nathan.pryor(a)juno.com

28 years, 5 months

Wanted: RD-51

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Yes, as odd as is seems I'm looking for a functional RD-51 or equiv. 10mb MFM hard drive. (ST-412, etc.) I'm trying to reload an operating system onto one of my Micro PDP-11 systems, and it insists that it will only install to an RD-51 drive. So... if anyone has one lying about that needs a purpose, please drop me a note. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

28 years, 5 months

Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I can laugh, because as much as I have wanted one, (since they first came out yes) I can safely feel comfortable that I never will. Maybe I get lucky and find an Exidy Sorcerer for less that $5,000. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Kip Crosby [SMTP:engine@chac.org] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 11:26 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Uh, is this a deal? -- yup > > At 11:38 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Just found this under the "Antique Computer" Listing at > Haggle.com.... > >someone's got an Apple 1 for sale... opening bid requested: > $17,000.00. > > Matt can say "laugh of the day," but a couple of years ago I did > authentication and provenance on one that sold for $12,000, the last > one I > SAW sell went for $22,000, and there's one for sale in Southern > California > (with Apple packaging, full paperwork and a signed letter from Jobs,) > for > $30,000 -- it hasn't gone yet, but it will, probably to Japan. Yes, > $17K > is (mildly) a deal. > > AFAIK there are only about eighty of the little dears left, and think > of > the number of people who want one. To tell the truth, in the last > year or > so there's begun to be concern about counterfeiting. > > __________________________________________ > Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html > Computer History Association of California >

28 years, 5 months

Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:26:01 -0800, the esteemed Mr. Crosby of CHAC spake thusly unto us: > Yes, $17K is (mildly) a deal [for an Apple 1]. > > AFAIK there are only about eighty of the little dears left [...] The entire production run of the LINC-8 totalled 142, of which only a tiny fraction survive to this day. Fewer still are operational. What do you suppose they're worth? No, I'm not trying to sell one. Not on my life. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

28 years, 5 months

Spare Discrete Components?

by engine＠chac.org

At 13:21 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Ok, how about a 9511A or 9512 math co-processor chip (Intel 8231A or 8232)? >The Intel web site has info on the 8231A only.... I called a guy who was a logic designer at Intel during the period and who has samples of most of the pertinent Intel chips from, say, the 8048 to current. He has no 8232 and claims never to have seen one or a data sheet for it. It was so lackadaisically marketed by Intel that he suspects it was a cross-license from AMD and that someone at Intel objected to the architecture. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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