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by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Just an FYI... www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C220+A0+R12409+Q101422074 Old Computer Various Dell,IBM, $15/OBO, Used Description Lots of Samsung Amber monitors.Compaq 286 Deskpro, Dell and IBM 286 Plus all the Commodore and Apple stuff you could want Make Me An Offer!! Seller Info For sale by private party (713) 631-1545 [Day] billbutl(a)swbell.net Houston, Texas - Houston 77078 Post Date 09-NOV-97 Copyright ? 1996-97, Classifieds2000 Inc. All rights reserved. Send any comments, questions, or suggestions to comments(a)classifieds2000.com Employment Opportunities Disclaimer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Computer collecting humor.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> I believe that there are some CPU chips now with 64-bit internal buses. <> Any advance on 64? <Well I believe the HP 85 had a HP propietary CPU with 64 bits internal <running at 613 KHz That was 64bits of internal storage and that is different from a 64bit parallel CPU. Also 613khz is slow. There are otehr 64bit cpus, some are in games and other embedded systems. However the number of systems for general purpose computing using 64 bit cpus are however few. Allison

28 years, 5 months

FWD: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Found the following on comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt Anybody near him wanna rescue these machines. I acquired one about a month ago here in Indiana, along with a fairly complete set of books and disks. Mine has two ESDI drives (300mb & 110mb) and loaded with AIX 2.2. It's a tower case about 24" x 24" x 9". If I remember the front panel says System 135. Mike Thompson ================================================== Subject: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s From: Bill Bradford <mrbill(a)texas.net> Date: Sun, Nov 9, 1997 20:52 EST Message-id: <645pd8$cbc$1(a)news3.texas.net> I recently acquired this whole bunch, with the intention of getting at least a couple of them reloaded and working; however, I've now got plans to move soon, and cant afford to move these machines. I'd like to see them go to a good home; so they're free to the first person to come pick them up. System Configurations: (6 systems) EAP processors (16mb RAM each) dual ESDI hard drives (unknown size) SIIG ISA-bus I/O cards Graphic cards with 6153 mono monitors Ethernet (AUI / 10base2) cards ESDI controller cards The other system only has the HDs and ESDI controller card (no CPU card or other cards). Also, one of the above systems is lacking the 1.2mb floppy drive; it may be the same system that is lacking a CPU card. I beleive 3 or 4 of the machines also have tape drive controller cards; and I have three external IBM QIC tape drives to go with them. I've also got a 15" monochrome IBM monitor that has a DB9 data cable connector. I've got some manuals (User's manual, problem determination guide, and 2-3 others) in the IBM binders. Systems are located in Austin, Texas. You'll need a good-sized pickup truck or van to haul all of them away. If you're interested, let me know. It sucks to let these go, but I cant afford to move them along with my other computer equipment. I can be reached at mrbill(a)texas.net. -- Bill Bradford Sr. Systems Engineer ICQ: 1864511 mrbill(a)texas.net Texas Networking, Inc. http://www.texas.net

28 years, 5 months

Classic "Laptops"

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<and is very easy to read for a non-backlit screen, but 80x24's were still <few years away... Tandy got close on the Tandy 600 with 80x16, but the Yes 80x24 were a few year later but, 80x8 was PX8 (and others) and that was like a year away(1984 the latest). Now the $64 question. there was a tandy with a 80x4 or 80x8 I do remember it as it was one of the few with a decent line length. Allison

28 years, 5 months

Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Oh yes, Tim (This could be a Tim-Tim conversation type thing!!!), that would be very nice. Well let's see, I'd have to trade in the Honda for a truck, ship it back to the US from Bahrain, drive down, and then come back. Not my idea of fun. (Sorry, I didn't mean to sound hostile) I've found 30 IBM 400 terminals for $1 a piece, in Western Massachusetts, but no mainframe. Anyway, I need systems, not parts (I need systems for the parts :-) .) But if I get the systems, I'll get the parts. I can even use the most "common" classics, I have a US postal address. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Classic Computer Rescue Squad Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 9:44 PM > Does anyone have any systems that they could sell me? Anything... all I've > got is an XT that dosn't work. Sure. Come up here with a lift-gate truck and I'll sell you all the Data General Novas, 14" disk drives, and 1/2" 9-track tape drives that you could want. Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

28 years, 5 months

HD Floppies in DD Drives

by gzozman＠escape.ca

Here's a silly question, but one I've never understood: Why can't a high density 5 1/4" disk be formatted in a double density drive? When I try, DOS returns a "Track 0 Bad" error message. I thought that a HD disk would simply have a denser coating of magnetic material applied evenly over the entire surface of the disk. I don't see why this should cause problems for a DD drive. However, a few questions come to mind. Is the magnetic coating of a different sensitivity, resulting in a weaker signal for the heads to pick up? Is the magnetic coating applied to the media in "tracks", causing problems when a different TPI spec is attempted on the disk? Since some of the software for my "old" (first generation PC) computers is on 5 1/4" disks of dubious condition, I would like to make copies onto new disks. Since HD disks are still readily available and cheap, I thought this would be an ideal way to do so. I also seem to have fried the 5 1/4" HD drive in my PC while sorting through some old software. It seems a couple of disks had some dirt on them which caused horrible screeching sounds when the disk was spinning, and also deposited a very hard black coating on the heads. The only way I could remove the deposits was to scratch it off with my fingernails (alcohol would not touch it). However, I must have bumped the heads out of alignment, because the drive won't read disks any longer. My question is: can I plug a Double Density drive into the same connector in my modern PC and use it for my old disks? I know I will have to change my BIOS setting, but is there anything else I need to consider? Any input on the above would be much appreciated... thanks in advance! Hope this isn't too far off topic. Grant Zozman gzozman(a)escape.ca

28 years, 5 months

CIE 680/20 Unix-like workstation

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Spotted this, thought it might be of interest to someone... >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C220+A0+R11595+Q8671010 > > Old Computer CIE Systems 6680/20, $50/OBO, Used >> >> Description CIE 680/20 Unix-like workstation. 15 years >> old. Regulus (Unix-like) OS. 2@ 8MB hard >> drives. 0.5 MB RAM. 4-8 MHz clock speed. >> Antique? Many manuals (several hundred >> pages). 3 serial ports. Very large desktop >> unit. Works OK. $50 >> >> Seller Info For sale by private party >> >> (626) 796-5184 [Day] >> (626) 796-5184 [Eve] >> Pasadena, California - L.A. Area 91106 >> >> >> Post Date 30-OCT-97 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Classic "Laptops"

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

The 100 is used and in demand overseas, it is used by reporters in the jungles. They have a web site with address if anyone wants donate one. At 04:49 PM 11/10/97 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: >> On the subject of early laptops in general, I have heard much in praise >> of the Tandy model 100, but I like the Epson HX20 which has everything >> you could possibly want in a laptop except a decent sized screen! > >Hmmm... Having got both (and an Olivetti M10, Thorn Liberator, etc - no I >don't collect portables), IMHO the keyboard on the HX20 has a much worse >feel than that on the M100. I'd not want to type up anything long on the >HX20, whereas I took my student lecture notes on the M100 (back when the >M100 was almost current...) > >There is a video output option for the HX20. It plugs into the 'serial' >connector (a 38400 baud RS232 link), which is also used for the TF20 disk >drive. I beleive said video interface gave you CGA-like text and graphics. >I've not seen one, however, but it would solve the small-screen problem, >at least when using it at home/on your desk. > >Talking of the HX20, does anyone have a systems disk for the TF20 floppy >drive? I've got the drive and the laptop, but no boot disk, which is a >pity. > > >> >> Philip. >> >> > >-tony > > > >

28 years, 5 months

Classic "Laptops"

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Yes they made them (1984)and sold for $249.95. Powered by batteries and 6k of ram. I have one in storage picked it up for $10 about 4 years ago. At 03:09 AM 11/11/97 +1030, you wrote: >A simple question - was the Texas Instruments Compact Computer - the CC-40 >- ever produced? I have some photos in a book here, and it looks neat, but >I have never heard of them and have no idea if they are available >second-hand. > >Adam. > > > >

28 years, 5 months

Old stuff

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> >> >....in my experience > >> >with IBM network cards, if they're a round (i.e. BNC) connector, > >> >they're probably the old "baseband" stuff that uses lots of coax > >>cable >and a hub/amplifier, and work only with IBM PC-LAN Program > >>and >NetBEUI....the number 2Mb/sec comes > >> >to mind.... > >> Are we talking about Arcnet here? When I think 2Mb/sec, BNC > >>connector, and 8-bit bus, I think Arcnet, but there may have been > >others.... If the cards are _branded_ IBM, chances are well over > >ten to one that they are > >Token Ring. IBM never touched Arcnet, and was hesitant about > >Ethernet. -- > >Ward Griffiths > > If any of those network cards ARE token-ring and have BNC connectors, I > would love to buy a couple. I got an old Token ring MAU several years ago > that has BNC ports and would like to try it out. Can't tell you how many > people have flat out denied that Token Ring was ever carried over coax! > But the existence of the MAU is proof enough that at one time it was done. Wow. I must admit, I thought that token ring required too many wires for co-ax. Or was the 4-wire connection replaced by coax in, coax out? Seriously, if it's IBM and co-ax I'd guess at SNA (Systems Network Architecture - the famous 3270 series terminals and related devices). This was not a PC network architecture at all - it was a loads-of- terminals-into-the-mainframe architecture - and the card would have come with terminal emulator software. BTW, did anyone discover what the IBM System/74 was? The description sounded more like a system/34 to me, and I certainly never heard of the 74 when I worked at IBM. Philip.

28 years, 5 months

Fudge! I fudged it up! 34A PSU problems.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Okay, I found a plug I forgot to attach. I plugged it in, switched it on, and the breakers went POP! Nothing burned, no hot smell... Time to start rechecking things!

28 years, 5 months

Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:04 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Tandy improved the 100 with the 102 which has a lager screen. Actually, the 102 has the same size screen as the 100. Perhaps you're thinking of the 200? The 200 is a clamshell design (iirc) with 24x80 screen. The 102 was simply a lighter, cheaper-to-make version of the 100. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Old Magazines, was (Building A Computer from Scratch Squad)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hotze asked: >PS-Does anyone know where I can get old PC Mag issues? Or any other major >magazine? It's funny that you ask this. My wife's uncle just gave me issue #1 of PC World and issues 2 and 3 of PC Magazine. I'd really like to get my hands on PCMag issue #1! He also gave me a late-model original PC *with* theexpansion box (which I understand is a relatively rare item). Anyway, he was a sales rep for IBM for the PC product, and he kept all sorts of stuff in his attic. I guess that every summer, his wife makes him clean up a little more. I'd say go to garage sales, or put an add in the local newspaper. There's a juy who advertises every month in Nuts & Volts, that he collects pre-1980 equipment, mags, etc. Maybe try the same. Anyway, who knows what else he has up there. I've asked him to save a copy of the IBM songbook for me <g>. Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

28 years, 5 months

I finally replaced the switches in the 34A, and Guess What! It's , dead!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

No reaction to the power whatsoever. Yes, it is plugged in! What did I do wrong? I got all the connections to the switches back in order, it doesn't pop either breaker, just no reaction. Anything in particular I could have missed? WHat's the result of getting that edge connector on upside-down?

28 years, 5 months

Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by adam＠merlin.net.au

><Now for what Allison was waiting for - a mention of Honeywell :-) When ><FTS went bust, they sold the design of the series-86 to Honeywell-Bull, ><who marketed it as the Microsystem Executive. Needless to say it died Can you describe the Microsystem Executive? I have a Honeywell Microsystem 6, but no details about it. It is about 2 feet high, by 1.5 feet deep and 1 foot wide, finished in black and white. (The plastic front and back is black, while the metal case is white). It's a very big beast for a micro, and runs but a single terminal. Adam.

28 years, 5 months

Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:09 AM 11/11/97 +1030, you wrote: >A simple question - was the Texas Instruments Compact Computer - the CC-40 >- ever produced? I have some photos in a book here, and it looks neat, but Yep. I've got one. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

DEC Rainbow

by manney＠nwohio.com

DOS or CP/M? manney(a)nwohio.com > I just bought a DEC Rainbow, does anyone have any idea where I can get a >boot disk for it? > > Thanks > Charlie Fox > > >

28 years, 5 months

Finds & Questions

by manney＠nwohio.com

>HP 75D with 9114 disk drive -- $25 > >My questions concern this last one. The computer itself is about 5" deep by >10" wide by about an inch thick. It has room for three expansion modules >(has two: "Barcode Reader" and "HP 75 I/O") and four connectors on the rear. >Two are in and out to the 9114, one is power (I'm pretty sure) but I'm not >sure about the last. Perhaps input for the barcode wand? What does the mystery connector look like? manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 5 months

STuff

by manney＠nwohio.com

I'm interested in the 386's...are they boards, or complete systems? manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 3:48 PM Subject: STuff >I have a bunch of wyse 60 terminals, a couple of 386's, an old printer >and various boards etc. Anyone interested. >"Janet Paganelli" <info(a)msnyc.org> > >

28 years, 5 months

Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Now for what Allison was waiting for - a mention of Honeywell :-) When <FTS went bust, they sold the design of the series-86 to Honeywell-Bull, <who marketed it as the Microsystem Executive. Needless to say it died Actually I'm far less interested with what Honeywell-Bull did with x86 chips and moreso with the predecessor computers. They made some big machines at one time. Allison

28 years, 5 months

Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by mark＠cyberlightstudios.com

---------- + From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> + To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> + Subject: Re: Classic Computer Rescue Squad + Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:21:38 -0800 (PST) + +On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, William Donzelli wrote: + +> > > On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, William Donzelli wrote: +> > +> > > 500 years from now, if what I am trying to accomplish with the Vintage +> > > Computer Festival succeeds, the machines which were truly significant from +> > > a social context, meaning the ones which ran the banking system, the +> > > airline system, government, etc. (in other words, the computers which were +> > > the foundation of modern society), will be the ones which we remember, and +> > > the Altair and others of its ilk will be merely novelties. +> > +> > I'd reign in your desire to pidgeonhole computers into "novelties" vs +> > "socially significant" if I were you. Not only is EVERY piece of hardware +> +> Next time you want to turn your flamethrower on, please aim at the right +> person. You quoted me for something I did not say. +> +> William Donzelli +> william(a)ans.net + +Mark, + +I take credit for the original posting. And you make some valid +arguments. What I wrote wasn't meant to be taken as an abridgement of my +total philosophy. + +There's been a problem around here lately of people taking single +sentences from a message and blowing it out of proportion. I wish it +would stop. + +Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- +Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass + + Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 + See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! + + Hi, Yes, I agree, and I must confess that I sounded a bit more irritated than I actually was! My point, as you note, was that we should consider all of computing's heratige special...but of course, we do, or we wouldn't be reading this list. Sorry if I sounded a bit arrogant.....and thanks for the reply Mark

28 years, 5 months

Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:36 PM 11/9/97 +0000, you wrote: >OK. By the way, speaking of "sub-laptops", does anyone know what kind of models >might be good for me? I just pretty much want to be able to take notes; etc. >Windows CE is cheap enough for me, but they're keyboards aren't for REAL people. >Possibly an Apple Newton? Or are there any classics that have a keyboard large >enough to type on(not two-finger typing.) ? Where can I get one of these Radio >Shack 100's? Good keyboards for taking notes: Radio Shack Model 100/102 NEC PC8201A (M100, but some differences (or vice-versa?)) Epson HX-20 (Not as good, but adequate) Cambridge Z88 (Never used one, but looks good.) Radio Shack WP-2 (Word processor, similar to m100) There are a couple of newer m100-type machines that can act as a keyboard for a Mac or PC as well. And, of course, Apple's E-mate (or whatever it's called.) Or pick up a used '286-ish PC laptop. Generally decent machines, run DOS (lots of available word processors), and cheap. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Trash

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:38 PM 11/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >So, what do you people think I should do when I just can't keep a computer >much longer? I don't want to trash them, but things like XTs, 286s, etc? What >can I do but throw them away when I have no room? Where are you located? There are groups that will recondition them and place them in schools. Groups like the Detwiler Foundation (huge) or the Computer Recycling Project (tiny). I do the same for my girlfriend's school with Mac's. There are also programs that teach kids about fixing them. Lemme know if you need more info and I can dig it up. (I don't do much with most of the groups because I'm able to scrounge the computers and fix them myself.) P.S., if anyone has older mac stuff (Mac II or newer) we can always use it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 5 months

Classic "Laptops"

by adam＠merlin.net.au

A simple question - was the Texas Instruments Compact Computer - the CC-40 - ever produced? I have some photos in a book here, and it looks neat, but I have never heard of them and have no idea if they are available second-hand. Adam.

28 years, 5 months

Qume?

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Today, for the first time in years, I got my old SwTPC S/09 to boot. (pause for applause to die down) But success was not total; floppy drive 0 works fine, but drive 1 just retracts to track 0 and makes a buzzing/grinding noise. I'm guessing that it wants to hit track 0 at the beginning of a seek, can't tell that it has made it there, and is struggling to retract past the legal limit. So, is anybody out there familiar with the mechanics of Qume 8" floppy drives? Is there a switch or optical sensor or something that tells it when it is at track 0? Or, from the description, is it possible/likely that this is an electrical failure, like a dead chip? Anybody got a service manual for one of these critters? Cheers, Bill.

28 years, 5 months

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