William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote
(after Daniel Seagraves):
> > I just got a DECserver 200/MC to act as a termserver for my 11/34 when it
> > comes back up... ANyone know how to get setup on here?
> > This may not count as a computer, but I do need help...
>
> OK, so I am not familiar with the unit, but why would it not count as a
> "computer"? Is it not yet ten years old (for this list)?
If not it's close. I was responsible for one or two in 1988 or so,
and we got it from somewhere else so it must have been around for a
little while before then.
It's a terminal server. I never took a screwdriver to one but it
clearly had some smarts inside. To the best of my knowledge it will
not do TCP/IP, but my knowledge is a bit dated. Maybe DEC found a way
to cram it in there but I think they only had TCP/IP support in later
models of terminal server.
On powerup it has about enough code in it to download the code that
makes it useful over Ethernet using DEC MOP. Supposing it finds a
willing MOP server with the appropriate loadable image it will then be
able to do DEC LAT over Ethernet. So you could hook terminals or
modems up with it and have them talk to a LAT host, or you could hook
up a printer and establish a LAT print queue on a VMS host, or you
could hook its serial ports up to some other computer's serial ports
and set it up as a LAT server that other LAT users could connect to.
Is it useful/usable with -11s? I don't know, I used it with VAXen,
but that's been eight or nine years ago and I don't really remember
them that well.
-Frank McConnell
I recently got a GridPad model 1910, and I have a few questions...
Does anyone know of a source for batteries? (Mine doesn't have one)
Is there a version of basic specifically for the gridpad, or does anyone
know how to get input from the screen with a general PC Basic?
Does it require any special type of keyboard?
Anyone have any documentation for it, especially for the docking station?
connector on the bottom?
Anyone have or know of software for it?
This thing is pretty rugged, and I'm thinking it would be great to mount in
my Land Rover to use for navigation (which means finding a DOS-based nav
program that can work with a GPS.)
Thanks!
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sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 08:11 PM 11/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
>OK, so they weren't called that early on. But still, that's what
>they're called now. What I really want is something small, but
>powerful. (This classic is going to get USED) I have two schedule
>programs; MS Schedule+ and a program called Sidekick 2.0, for DOS, made
>in the early 90's. Compatibility would help. I also want something
>that's not to hard to find, and I can get for less than a Palm Pilot. (A
>lot less, if possible.)
Your choices include:
Amstrad PDA-600 (maybe DOS?)
Atari Portfolio (DOS)
Poquet PC (DOS)
GridPad (DOS, not very small)
HP handhelds
Dauphin DTR-1 (DOS/Windows)
Maybe a couple of others
None of those are cheap. Portfolios and Poquets seem to sell for well over
$100. Same for the gridpad. I dunno about the various HP handhelds, but I
suspect they're expensive too. I got (not yet -- it's on its way) my
Amstrad PDA-600 for $60. Dauphins are more than a Pilot.
Of the lot, the HP's are probably the most powerful.
Another option would be an early Newton or one of the machines that came out
at the same time (like the Zoomer).
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>Try http://www.powells.com next to Amazon they're about the biggest
Whups. Got confused a bit in my last reply. This isn't the Land Rover
list. So ignore the (true, but) irrelevant comment about Land Rover manuals.
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sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Hi David:
> boards for decoupling capacitors, if their is one near each chip then that
> is what it is, any .01uf ceramic would replace it. It would be on the
> traces to the corner power and ground pins.
Well there ARE a bunch of them, they ARE near several ICs, and they are in
parallel with one side at ground. I think you're right.
I think I have found the major problem with my board:
The symptom I'm experiencing is that the DC OK H line, nominally 3.2V,
drops to 2.2V when the M8310 is inserted into the backplane, and then the
machine doesn't work anymore (not really, just can't RUN from the toggle
switches). This voltage stays constant at 3.2V either on an empty
backplane, or with all boards except the M8310 installed. Put the 8310 in
and the voltage drops to 2.2V.
I've traced this DC OK H pin to the input of a 7404 IC on the 8310 board.
With power off, the gate's input and output are seen to be at ground, i.e.
I think the gate is shorted. I wonder if you could look at your printset
and see where the DC OK H line actually goes and what happens after the
7404? I think this is a bad chip.
Thanks in advance,
Kevin
> > If you need any more help email me >
> David Gesswein. >
--
Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD
mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca
<I have just done a search in the Jameco catalogue and although there are
<some 8080A for sale the 6800 seem NOT to be available anymore.....
I just got hardcopy catalong this week and also checked on line. They have
it!
The 8080A is the same thing and the 6800 also came in a B part (different
speed).
Allison
Today I picked up a KIM-1 with Commodore/MOS label for free they had it in
the trash at the yard. No power supply was with it and they sold these for
169.99 with power supply. Anyone have information or know were I can get a
power supply for this unit?
Thanks John Keep Computing !!!
This machine came with a green-phosphor, slow-phosphor screen that's sharp
and rock steady. The screen tilts up and down and left and right for maximum
comfort. It has a silent keyboard with a large shift key next to the Z, the
return key is also large, and the cursor-movement keys are separate from the
numeric keypad. The disk drives are 5 1/4-inch and hold 640k each and are
expandable to 1200k each. 128k of user programmable memory is standard. It
sold for $4995 new. It had a 16-bit processor like the IBM and you could
buy a plug-in card that increased the memory by 64k for $600 that also had
the Z-80 microprocessor on it and allows you to run CP/M. This was called a
Victor-80 Card. The 9000 does excellent monochrome graphics but it will not
do color graphics. Hopes this info helps John Keep Computing !!!
At 10:21 AM 11/13/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M
>machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't
>found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will
>be great. Thanks
>
>Anthony (Tony) Lee
>
>
>
Do a web search there many rainbow sites that offer software for download.
At 04:46 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
> DOS or CP/M?
>
>manney(a)nwohio.com
>
>> I just bought a DEC Rainbow, does anyone have any idea where I can get a
>>boot disk for it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Charlie Fox
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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<What is this? I have one.
It's decs a80/8088 powered alter to a PC.
<Some guy brought it in, said it was an XT he got at a garage sale, and
<wanted it upgraded. Bought it for $10.
Fall on floor laughing. While similar it's not upgradeable to a XT.
First off it has 768k of ram(or more) possible if not installed. Unlike
IBM they actaully fully decoded addresses for memeory so there are no
"holes" There is a z80 that does IO and it ran both CP/m-80/86(both!) and
MSDOS2.11.
<No video or whatever...
Should have a tube and LK201 keyboard as well as it has video and all. It
was a vastly better machine than the XT but not as accepted due to poor
marketing by DEC(actually none at all!) It was faster than the XT and had
at the time of offering better graphics.
<Is it a PDP relative?
Only in that it came from DEC. No PDP-11 or PDP-8 connection.
Allison
In a message dated 97-11-13 06:51:18 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Re: System/34
Date: 97-11-13 06:51:18 EST
From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
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computers)
> Sorry, folks. I've been asking around about what a System/74 is. I looked,
> and it's really a System/34. Could someone tell me what they were for, how
> much they were sold for, what year they are, what they're worth now,
etc,etc.
> Thanks.
I used a System'34 when I worked for IBM in 1985-86. It was old then -
late '70s?. I seem to remember about 224K of RAM, possibly 256MB of
hard disk.
There were a number of posts on this subject on this list in late
September - start with the thread on IBM 5120 on 18th.
I would be very sad to see such a system vanish - I have a certain
affection for it after discovering that I - the newest student - knew
more about system/34s than anyone else in the building (this wasn't much
- the building housed two marketing units).
If you - or someone - do manage to acquire this sys/34, I may have some
spare copies of one or two pocket quick reference guides I could send
you. I'm pretty sure I've got OCL pocket reference (about 1/2 inch
thick) and I may have the Assembler pocket reference.
Finally, where is this machine? If it is in England or Wales I might
consider acquiring it myself...
Philip.
>>
This machine is in Boston, MA, USA. It also has three very ugly terminals -
anyone know what kind?
<Well I want it for my CPU collection and therefore it is QUITE different
<to me...
<
Enrico,
What your saying is you want a real Intel 1974 C8080D date code part!
That's the commercial grade cermet package part that was the initial
offering. Not an AMD, NEC or some dozen others, not all identical.
On the other hand if you really wanted all of the various permutations
of the 8080 and there are at least 4 or 5 (all pre 1979) I know of. You'd
have to consider the 8080a a find as that is still pre '79 design! You
have to qualify the vendor and mask set used of or if it was a reverse
engineerd design like the NEC parts the 8080, 8080a and 8080af. Of course
there were subtleties like the round lid uPD8080AFD or the square.
So if you are going to preserve history, you have to be a lot more specific.
Or otherwise an 8080A is really then just another 8080! It's the specific
part, vendor and die level aspects of the history you loose by collecting
those 40 pin slabs of plastic or ceramic indiscriminately.
FYI: the MDS I have has a intel 8080 cermet late 74 date code nonstandard
branding hand written part number. It appears to be a engineering sample
marking. I also have several dated copies of the 8080 and NEC 8080 parts
as they were different both in packaging and specifications. Never minding
the other intel one from my altair(early 75). The 6800D1 board I have has
a MC6800L, that's the cermet 1mhz part circa 1976(august if the datecode
reads right). Since I was designing with and using these parts I retained
samples that I never threw out as I figured some day I may use them again.
they are also part of the collection of processors that includes the DEC
T-11 single chip version of the PDP-11 chips I have with DC310es60
(engineering samples 4 of them). One of the ES parts is in a internal DEC
demo/proto board. Then there are the pre '79 SC/MP, cosmac, Intersil, TI
I know a bit about the history as I was one of the now older hackers from
then!
Allison
well, a cd disk cleaning kit only costs <$10. I myself dont even know how one
would clean a cd drive if it was taken apart as the disk cleaner would do
everything.
david
In a message dated 11/13/97 10:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
engine(a)chac.org writes:
<< My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI
CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like
tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly
on audio CD's. My Wintel guru says that it is literally not worth trying
to clean the thing, that the cost of a cleaning will exceed the cost of a
new 8X or 10X SCSI CD drive, and the bother of going inside the case,
removing, and re-installing will be the same. I hate to pitch this drive,
it's worked so well; is there anything non-invasive I can try before I give
up on it?
thanks much,
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby >>
The BUS ERROR wasn't from the card not being installed. I reinstalled
everything, and it refuses to boot.
Apparently, I've snipped the wrong wires on the UDA50 slots.
Or forgotten to plug things in...
No, that's not it. EVerything's plugged in, the lights on the UDA strobe,
I've cut the wrong pins and boogered this up worse.
I really should stop destroying these machines and just pass them on to
more capable people...
But I like them too much. Where are the pins I am SUPPOSED to have
clipped? I'll rejumper the old ones, it doesn't look hard...
I saw your request for info regarding UNIBUS pinouts. I will try to look
them up for you... no promises though.
I have a complete set of 11/44 boards and a couple of 1 MB memory boards for
it. Would you be interested in them? Reasonable offers or begging will be
considered.
John Aiken
JAiken8269(a)aol.com
At 15:52 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I could probably get you a full distribution of MS-DOS 3.2, with manual,
>reference cards, etc. It depends where I have to ship it. There are maybe 5
>copies, so if anyone else wants them....
Do remember, though, that of the DOSes under discussion in this thread,
both 3.2 and 4.0 were prone to notably ugly behavior. The fix to 3.2 was
3.3, the fix to 4.0 was 4.01. Of that list, what I would hold out for is
either 3.3, which was quite good, or Compaq 3.31, which was the jewel in
the crown.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
Snickering quietly at the visions of people fleeing in terror and
revulsion... B^}
I'm seeking some docs on a couple of recent additions to the collection.
(be kind, they both have microprocessors so they at least kind of fall
into the charter)
I've rescued a Scantron 888MP test scorer OMR unit and a model 8400
(option 40) OMR page reader, both (of course) with no docs, information,
or software. (for the 8400 at least, the 888MP is a stanmd-alone)
So... after the prerequsite inquires toward Scantron (which so far have
netted a couple of nice catalogs, and an offer to sell me the
latest/neatest units, but nothing useful for what I've got... I turn
here...
So... if anyone has (or has access to) spare manuals (or copies thereof),
I'd appreciate hearing from you... Hey, this could even be an opportunity
to dump that carton of old Scantron (bubble) forms you have been using for
note pads and connect the dot (bubble?) games! <G>
-jim
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The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
In a message dated 97-11-13 10:46:26 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Re: Victor 9000
Date: 97-11-13 10:46:26 EST
From: Aperiodic(a)aol.com
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computers)
To All:
Know where I might be able to obtain MS-DOS 3.2, 3.3, or 4.0 on a 5.25"
disks? This would be for an older machine--my only other alternative is to
remove a 5.25" drive and plug it into my "newer" HP, download DOS and CP/M
from the internet, and save it to this drive.
Anybody else had to do something similar to get a boot disk for their older
computer? Any experiences would be extremely helpful.
Sam
>>
I could probably get you a full distribution of MS-DOS 3.2, with manual,
reference cards, etc. It depends where I have to ship it. There are maybe 5
copies, so if anyone else wants them....
< >>
<This machine is in Boston, MA, USA. It also has three very ugly terminals
<anyone know what kind?
<
Hey, it's local to me. I think I know people that might want it and I
can move it if it fits in a toyota pickup.
Myself I know little of IBM stuff other than PC XTs. What is a sys/34?
How big?
Allison
<Aaaaah! but does the "A" at the end of the number makes any difference?
<I think it does: it's not THE 8080 then.
Then you know not the 8080! Actually the A was identical save for the NEC
8080 which was interchangeable in most cases but, had a different Hold
state, they corrected that with the 8080AF part. Generally the answer is
no it makes no difference.
Allison
I have a spare new 6800 which I would like to swap for a similar 8080.
Any taker?
Thank you
enrico
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Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M
machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't
found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will
be great. Thanks
Anthony (Tony) Lee
To All:
Know where I might be able to obtain MS-DOS 3.2, 3.3, or 4.0 on a 5.25"
disks? This would be for an older machine--my only other alternative is to
remove a 5.25" drive and plug it into my "newer" HP, download DOS and CP/M
>from the internet, and save it to this drive.
Anybody else had to do something similar to get a boot disk for their older
computer? Any experiences would be extremely helpful.
Sam
> Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M
> machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't
> found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will
> be great. Thanks
AFAIK, both DOS and CP/M86 were available for it. It is not IBM
compatible, though - neither the architecture nor the disk format - so
attempting to boot from a PC disk won't achieve much.
I have an Act Sirius-1 which I believe is a re-badged Victor 9000. If
the worst comes to the worst I can attempt to copy some disks and
snail-mail them to you. However I am in the UK and I imagine you are in
the US, so you ought to be able to find people to help you nearer at
hand...
Philip.
<I have a spare new 6800 which I would like to swap for a similar 8080.
<
Here in the USA JAMECO sells 6800s for $1.95. they are still pretty
easy to come by. I should pick one up as I've done little with that chip.
Allison