At 04:45 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Two are in and out to the 9114, one is power (I'm pretty sure) but I'm not
>>sure about the last. Perhaps input for the barcode wand?
>
>What does the mystery connector look like?
It's kinda roundish wiht (I think -- I'm on bart, it's at home) 5 holes for
pins -- made me think of the old Hayes modem power supply connectors.
The one that I'm pretty sure is the power is two adjoining square holes with
1 pin-hole in each. The same connector is on the disk drive.
Someone said these take a standard HP 8v ps... Anyone know where to get
one? Thanks in advance!
The other thing I noticed about this (and I found something on the web that
seemed to agree with this) is that to the right of the space bar it appears
there's a slot for a magstripe card. It's a little wider than the strip on
a credit card. Pretty neat.
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<sounds as if the head is hitting against the case or something. Now,
<there is no disk access going on at all when this is happening, and it
<happens regularly at (seemingly) random intervals throughout the day. All
<of a sudden I'll start to hear the thunking sound and it will be coming
<from one of the two machines' hard drive. Very odd.
It may be that most of the non stepper drive will reseek from time to time
to correct for temperature and wear. It's recalibration.
Allison
I have a MicroVAX 3100 I'm putting a floppy in.
Where does it attach?
YOu can see where it was removed, and there's no option card slots...
Where do I put the floppy in?
At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation has the best
>HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it was
For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the remnants
of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in the
future...?
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In a message dated 97-11-14 14:43:02 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Re: Re[2]: System/34
Date: 97-11-14 14:43:02 EST
From: allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent)
Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu (Discussion re-collecting of classic
computers)
<> Anyway, if the Boston System/34 is available, perhaps the RCS/RI people
<> might want it.
<
<Allison has expressed an interest...
It will be for the RCS/RI folk if I collect it as I am not IBM oriented.
<I can't now remember who asked, but whoever you are, your Toyota should
<have no difficulty carrying the thing if you can get it into the back.
<Warning: If you need people to help you lift bits into the back of your
<truck, you will _definitely_ need help lifting it off again when you get
<home.
Good to know. A few racks will fit no sweat I was wondering if it were
more like a room full.
However, I've heard nothing from the owner.
Allison
>>
I don't actually own the thing, and never offered it per se. I could probably
get the administration to let go of it, esp. if there' s money involved.
I'll ask around. The terminals are 3 5250's -- I found the manual for one of
them. As soon as I get a definite response, I'll post. Tell me how much you
would pay.
as specified before, if the "about this mac" doesnt show it, you may have to
remove the case and look at the simms. plus models came with 1 meg standard
in 4 256k simms. other mem configurations are 2 1meg simms and 2 256k ones
for 2.5 meg and 4 1meg simms for a total of 4 which is what my platinum mac
plus has. i've noticed two mac plus designs; one in the apple //e beige
colour and the other in corporate gray. i presume they are identical though.
In a message dated 97-11-14 10:49:08 EST, PG Manney put forth:
> Can anyone with Macintosh experience help me, please?
>
> 1) How do I check the amount of memory installed without ripping open the
> beast?
>
> 2) The machine was running some programs (Chess, for example) and suddenly
> refuses to do so, claiming, "xxx K needed to run this program. You have
512
> K). Customer doesn't know how much was installed. Might this be a
> configuration problem, or has it lost contact with half its RAM? (and it
> hasn't even hit 40 years yet!)
>
> Thanks,
> manney(a)nwohio.com
>
In a message dated 97-11-14 13:04:53 EST, you write:
<< I can supply original DOS disks for 3.31 >>
I would most certainly appreciate it. The computer these would be used on is
actually a Visual Technologies Commuter--a colleague noted that although this
unit runs intel 8086, 8088, 80286, it can boot into DOS 6.22. I have yet to
find out if this is true or not; however, what can we work out so that I may
get those disks?
Thanks
Sam Uncler
<> Anyway, if the Boston System/34 is available, perhaps the RCS/RI people
<> might want it.
<
<Allison has expressed an interest...
It will be for the RCS/RI folk if I collect it as I am not IBM oriented.
<I can't now remember who asked, but whoever you are, your Toyota should
<have no difficulty carrying the thing if you can get it into the back.
<Warning: If you need people to help you lift bits into the back of your
<truck, you will _definitely_ need help lifting it off again when you get
<home.
Good to know. A few racks will fit no sweat I was wondering if it were
more like a room full.
However, I've heard nothing from the owner.
Allison
<>My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI
<>CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built lik
<>tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribl
<
<Run down to Tower Records and pick up a CD Lens Cleaner. Shouldn't be mor
<than $10-15 and it just might do the trick. (Not a bad thing to have in an
<case.)
My phillips cm205 (yes single speed) gets cranky every so often and
removing and opening it finds a cloud of dust. Careful vacuum and soft
brush and clean the lenses with a blast of dry air in a can seems to do
it every time.
The dust accumulates in the CDrom as a result of the PCs cooling fan that
blows out. The cooling intake air come from a grill at the opposite corner
of the box about also some is sucked through the 3.5" floppy and the CDrom
via the doors. After a while I can see the dust if I push the door open.
Since the system runs 24x365 it does gather dust!
Allison
<I would really doubt this. The oxide coating on just about any tape,
<digital or analog, flakes off even if never used. As for CD-ROMs, I would
<say that the stamped ones (normal ones) will probably last for a very
Mag tape (reel to reel) has the longest life. Many companies depend on
it lasting in excess of 10 years in a good enviornment and 20+ is not
uncommon. Much of the newer media and backings have the likelyhood of
lasting longer from improved materials.
Here at home I have NS* disks that are in excess of 15years old some 19!
My TU58 tapes(DC100/DEC) none are newer that 1985 and some go back to '81.
I have RX01/2 media that is clearly late '70s and early '80s. My RL02
(removeable 10mb 14" platter) packs are 1984. I take real good care of
the media and drives and rare is the failure. Several things to consider,
if your comfortable the magnetic media is. Clean is good, no smoking or
dust will help greatly for long term. Careful storage, do not over stuff
boxes, a stiff cardboard seperator to prevent warping or bending. Nothing
is a substitute for opening the drive and hand vacuuming and cleaning it.
Doubtful drives should be cleaned, repaired or replaced rather than risk
media in them. A dirty head or bad pressure pad can scratch a an otherwise
good disk.
Allison
<>journalists, who would connect with a modem an upload the files. Is
<>this true? If so, what on earth ever happened to these? (Does this
<>sound like something else... H/PC come to mind?
<
<Journalists around here used the Radio Schlock thingie (Tandy 100?) Don't
<know the processor, tho'.
T-100 was 80c85, cmos 8085 which with the exception of two instructions is
an 8080/8224/8228 reduced to 40 pins and cmos. Good chip by the way. It's
most current use is the mars rovers for it's very low poaer and resistance
to radiation effects.
8085 is 1977, cmos part is 1981ish.
Allison
Our local NASA is selling off older PC and other stuff. I'm local, if anyone
wants anything.
Stuff is at
http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/Logistics/sales.htm
on the world's slowest server.
manney(a)nwohio.com
At 08:56 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
> I speak French, mut I'm not an expert on computerese
>French...unfortunately, I'm snowed under at my business, so I don't have
I took french in high school & college... which means I can swear at you,
ask you out, and say "Je deteste des ordinateurs". (but I can say that last
bit in several languages.) 8^)
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At 01:24 PM 11/13/97 -0800, you wrote:
>My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI
>CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like
>tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly
Run down to Tower Records and pick up a CD Lens Cleaner. Shouldn't be more
than $10-15 and it just might do the trick. (Not a bad thing to have in any
case.)
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sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>> > This machine is in Boston, MA, USA. It also has three very ugly terminals -
>> > anyone know what kind?
Yes, I know exactly what kind, but I can't remember the IBM number
(5250? Something like that, anyway). You daisy-chain up to eight of
each port on the Sys/34 using IBM twinax cable.
> Anyway, if the Boston System/34 is available, perhaps the RCS/RI people
> might want it.
Allison has expressed an interest...
For your information, it is about 4 feet tall, two or three feet wide,
and at least six feet long, the actual length depending on what options
are installed. It is very heavy (I don't know how heavy) but some
dismantling should be possible.
I can't now remember who asked, but whoever you are, your Toyota should
have no difficulty carrying the thing if you can get it into the back.
Warning: If you need people to help you lift bits into the back of your
truck, you will _definitely_ need help lifting it off again when you get
home.
> > I have one available here, in Peoria, IL...
> > Anyone want it? I can't store it...
> > It has all sortsa 8" floppies with it...
>
> It might not be a bad idea to grab the floppies, even if you can not
> find a taker for the hardware.
Good point. Well said, William. Whoever gets the Boston machine will
want [copies of] the Peoria floppies, I imagine.
I may well be visiting the eastern US in the next few weeks but I
absolutely _refuse_ to take a system/34 home with me! In the summer, I
got sent to Jakarta (Indonesia) and I bought a large gong. You wouldn't
believe how expensive excess baggage costs to bring home! (I had 76kg
total baggage on that flight...)
On the other hand, I might be able to shuttle a _FEW_ _SMALL_ items in
each direction. Suggestions??
Philip.
>Disclaimer: This is not a ten-year-old topic and you are free to ignore the
>message as you see fit. I write, however, in full confidence that someone
>reading this can answer the question.
>
>My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI
>CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like
>tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly
>on audio CD's. My Wintel guru says that it is literally not worth trying
>to clean the thing, that the cost of a cleaning will exceed the cost of a
>new 8X or 10X SCSI CD drive, and the bother of going inside the case,
>removing, and re-installing will be the same. I hate to pitch this drive,
>it's worked so well; is there anything non-invasive I can try before I give
>up on it?
Have you tried a cleaning CD? You can get them for $8 or so.
I can supply original DOS disks for 3.31
manney(a)nwohio.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Manney <Manney>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Victor 9000
>To All:
>
>Know where I might be able to obtain MS-DOS 3.2, 3.3, or 4.0 on a 5.25"
>disks? This would be for an older machine--my only other alternative is to
>remove a 5.25" drive and plug it into my "newer" HP, download DOS and CP/M
>from the internet, and save it to this drive.
>
>Anybody else had to do something similar to get a boot disk for their older
>computer? Any experiences would be extremely helpful.
>
>Sam
>
>Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M
>machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't
>found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will
>be great. Thanks
IIRC, it would run either. A local doctor has a Victor in his basement
(anyone want it?)
manney(a)nwohio.com
>Microsoft to Buy The U.S Government
>REDMOND, Wash. - Oct. 21, 1997 -- In direct response to accusations
>made by the Department of Justice, the Microsoft Corp. announced today
>that will be acquiring the federal government of the United States of
>America for an undisclosed sum. "It's actually a logical extension of
>our planned growth", said Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, "It really is
>going to be a positive arrangement for everyone".
>Microsoft representatives held a briefing in the oval office of the
>White House with U.S. President Bill Clinton, and assured members of
>the press that changes will be "minimal". The United States will be
>managed as a wholly owned division of Microsoft. An initial public
>offering is planned for July of next year, and the federal government
>is expected to be profitable by "Q4 1999 at latest", according to
>Microsoft president Steve Ballmer.
>In a related announcement, Bill Clinton stated that he had "willingly
>and enthusiastically" accepted a position as a vice president with
>Microsoft, and will continue to manage the United States government,
>reporting directly to Bill Gates.
>When asked how it felt to give up the mantle of executive authority to
>Gates, Clinton smiled and referred to it as "a relief". He went on to
>say that Gates has a "proven track record", and that U.S. citizens
>should offer Gates their "full support and confidence". Clinton will
>reportedly be earning several times the $200,000 annually he has
>earned as U.S. president, in his new role at Microsoft.
>Gates dismissed a suggestion that the U.S. Capitol be moved to Redmond
>as "silly", though did say that he would make executive decisions for
>the U.S. government from his existing office at Microsoft
>headquarters. Gates went on to say that the House and Senate would "of
>course" be abolished. "Microsoft isn't a democracy", he observed,
>"and look how well we're doing".
>When asked if the rumored attendant acquisition of Canada was
>proceeding, Gates said, "We don't deny that discussions are taking
>place".Microsoft representatives closed the conference by stating that
>United States citizens will be able to expect lower taxes, increases
>in government services and discounts on all Microsoft products.
>About Microsoft: Founded in 1975, Microsoft (NASDAQ "MSFT") is the
>worldwide leader in software for personal computers, and democratic
>government. The company offers a wide range of products and services
>for public, business and personal use, each designed with the mission
>of making it easier and more enjoyable for people to take advantage of
>the full power of personal computing and free society every day.
>About the United States:
>Founded in 1789, the United States of America is the most successful
>nation in the history of the world, and has been a beacon of democracy
>and opportunity for over 200 years. Headquartered in Washington, D.C.,
>the United States is a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft
>Corporation.
Not knowing what system you are running, I may not be able to help. But...
>1) How do I check the amount of memory installed without ripping open the
>beast?
Under the apple symbol in the top left of the menu bar is an "about this
macintosh" option - that should give you memory, memory usage, and the
version of the OS. This is under system 7.1, but it should be on most (if
not all) the versions of the OS.
>2) The machine was running some programs (Chess, for example) and suddenly
>refuses to do so, claiming, "xxx K needed to run this program. You have 512
>K). Customer doesn't know how much was installed. Might this be a
>configuration problem, or has it lost contact with half its RAM? (and it
>hasn't even hit 40 years yet!)
I haven't encountered that problem yet. The Mac plus should have more than
512k as standard. (mine has 2 meg, but that was expanded). Anyway, when you
highlight a program, but don't start it, you can go to the file menu and
look under the get info option. That will tell you, at the bottom, what
the suggested memory size is, and what the minimum and prefered sizes are.
Changing these may solve your problem, and if not I can only assume that it
is, indeed, hardware related. I don't think there are any software
settings for memory, but I imagine there are the usual switches on the
motherboard - unfortunatly I don't have that much info.
Hope that helps,
Adam.
>OK. By the way, speaking of "sub-laptops", does anyone know what kind of
models
>might be good for me? I just pretty much want to be able to take notes;
etc.
>Windows CE is cheap enough for me, but they're keyboards aren't for REAL
people.
>Possibly an Apple Newton? Or are there any classics that have a keyboard
large
>enough to type on(not two-finger typing.) ? Where can I get one of these
Radio
>Shack 100's?
>
Radio Schlock 100's had the loveliest keyboards I've ever seen. Don't think
the display was backlit, tho'. I see 286 and 8088 laptops (floppy only)
going for cheap $$ at hamfests.
>> Whoops! of course...and didn't they make a calculator or two?
>
>Yes, they made quite a few calculator models. I've only seen one myself.
>My father used it in his engineering work many years ago. I now have it,
>and although it is functional, a friend that I lent it to smashed the case
>up pretty badly by accidentally hurtling it against a cement floor. <s>
>
>It's a PR-100 programmable scientific calculator. It has one of those
>very intense orange displays (I forget what the technology is).
>
>My father says that the engineering firm he worked for used to have tons
>of Commodore equipment around. Mostly mechanical adding machines and
>office furniture. :)
>
>I've been running into far more Commodore furniture recently than
>Commodore computers.
I usta have a Sinclair programmable calculator that ran on a 9V battery,
thus requiring a large bulge in the case that would tilt the calculator away
>from the
user when set down. Magnificently intelligent design.
manney(a)nwohio.com
>P.S., I stumbled across a site that might offer insight into this question.
>It's at <http://www.mygale.org/08/samurai/> and offers a listing of
>computers by microprocessor (as well as other ways). Only problem is it's
>in french. 8^)
I speak French, mut I'm not an expert on computerese
French...unfortunately, I'm snowed under at my business, so I don't have
time to translate the whole document. I can research and/or translate
portions for anyone who wants, tho'.
manney(a)nwohio.com
Can anyone with Macintosh experience help me, please?
1) How do I check the amount of memory installed without ripping open the
beast?
2) The machine was running some programs (Chess, for example) and suddenly
refuses to do so, claiming, "xxx K needed to run this program. You have 512
K). Customer doesn't know how much was installed. Might this be a
configuration problem, or has it lost contact with half its RAM? (and it
hasn't even hit 40 years yet!)
Thanks,
manney(a)nwohio.com
Disclaimer: This is not a ten-year-old topic and you are free to ignore the
message as you see fit. I write, however, in full confidence that someone
reading this can answer the question.
My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI
CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like
tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly
on audio CD's. My Wintel guru says that it is literally not worth trying
to clean the thing, that the cost of a cleaning will exceed the cost of a
new 8X or 10X SCSI CD drive, and the bother of going inside the case,
removing, and re-installing will be the same. I hate to pitch this drive,
it's worked so well; is there anything non-invasive I can try before I give
up on it?
thanks much,
__________________________________________
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