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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: Zeus334 <Zeus334(a)aol.com> <What exactly is a PX-8? BTW, I have a Mac Portable, which I got because it PX-8 aka geneva is a z80 based CP/M portable circa 1984. <few seconds, it worked. The battery is dead now, though. I use another AC <adapter for the battery, as well as the normal one. That thing eats power! <your battery is alive and mine died, god only knows. Well I've had to replace the cells due to age based failure. The CPU is a CMOS z80 and uses very little power, combine that with no backight LCD, no hard drive (uses ramdisk or microcassette) the power consumption is extremely light. FYI the two week limit was not for lack of battery but the fact that nicads self discharge and would be dead within 30 days if not charged. The nicads used for PX-8 are real cheap I got a set of 4 cells for $10 new. Allison

28 years, 4 months

FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's

by manney＠nwohio.com

Another person asked first. He asked about "the TRS-80s", which indicates he wants all of them. I e-mailed, mentioning someone else (you) wanted some, and will wait for his e-mail. manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's > Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 3:08 PM > > I'm interested in the TRS-80s you mentioned. How much will it cost? I'm in > PA 17347. > > Thanks, > Tom

28 years, 4 months

RED ALERT!! BIG LOAD OF FREEBIES!!

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

I stopped in there today and they're not kidding. Piles of PDP-11s: 11/04, 11/23, 11/34, 11/44. VAX, MicroVAX, VAXstation (I picked up a Tempest-shielded VAXstation cabinet), disk and tape drives, terminals (tons of VT100s,) monitors, documentation, you name it. I didn't see any PDP-8s, though the guy said he thought there might be some 8/a stuff squirreled away. The DECsystem 2020 is in a single cab. They're anxious to empty the building and stop paying rent, so at some point, the unclaimed items will be tossed. I snagged a small pile of stuff and put dibs on a couple others that I'll be picking up early next week. -- Tony ---------- From: kyrrin2@wizards.net[SMTP:kyrrin2@wizards.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:30 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RED ALERT!! BIG LOAD OF FREEBIES!! ATTN: Classic Computer Rescue Crewmembers in the Dover, Delaware area! Take note of this missive I found on Usenet. If I were ANYwhere near the east coast, I'd already have visited the place. This is a terrific opportunity for those of you who want to get your hands dirty on DEC hardware to do it. And, if anyone goes down there and finds an M7552 module (RRD50 controller), please snare it for me! ;-) Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- OK. The powers that be no longer want to store this stuff, so the time has come to make it go away. We have around 5000 square feet of Vax and PDP equipment that needs to find new homes. It's mostly older Qbus and Unibus stuff, so don't expect to find state of the art stuff in here. There is way too much stuff to list, but in a nutshell, there are vaxen from 11/730 up to 8820, with many microvaxen in ba23's and ba123's. There are many unibus pdp-11's, and some pdp-8 stuff. There is also a DEC-system 2020. Many peripherals. TONS of books, manuals, and printsets. Miles of tape, zillions of disk packs, many 8" floppies, etc. If someone is looking for something in particular, let me know and I can see if it is there. Your best bet, however, is to come walk around and see what you can use. Equipment is free for the taking and is located in Dover, Delaware. Don't respond if you are only interested in scrap. We want to get rid of it, but don't want to see the stuff junked. Hell, we can junk the stuff ourselves if that is what we wanted to do. We thought there should be people out there that can use this equipment. take one piece, or take everything. First come, first served. You haul. Unfortunately, we do not have time to package things for shipping, although if the item is small enough, and you make a good enough case, exceptions may be possible. :-) We are interested in moving this stuff quickly, so please respond if interested. Email address has been purposely munged to prevent spam. Re-assemble the address below to respond. Thanks, Jim Bender jbender at corpamerica dot com

28 years, 4 months

Spoiled by geezers

by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-12-05 05:03:13 EST, you write: << Yes but the PX-8 is now 13 years old and the nicads in it could sustain continous computing for 12-16 hours. I've tried one for logging data and it ran for two weeks at 1-2 minutes per hour without trouble. The time and autostart/shutdown was built in, no extras needed. Most laptops would be hard pressed to run the total uptime without killing the battery. Allison >> What exactly is a PX-8? BTW, I have a Mac Portable, which I got because it wasn't working. After connecting the battery directly to the AC power for a few seconds, it worked. The battery is dead now, though. I use another AC adapter for the battery, as well as the normal one. That thing eats power! Why your battery is alive and mine died, god only knows.

28 years, 4 months

Panasonic HHC

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:01 PM 12/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >I have an HHC in perfect working order and was just wondering what it might be worth to a collector. I recently got mine for $15.50. See <http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1585402> for details. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

Forward: Atari STacy FS

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:23 PM 12/5/97 EST, you wrote: >Atari STacy portable computer. 4MB RAM. 40 MB hard disk. Built-in >screen, MIDI, and trackball. Can also use external mouse and monitor if These still sell for several hundred dollars, mostly because they are just about the ideal MIDI solution for traveling musicians (except maybe for the never-produced ST-Book). I'd love to have one, but since I don't get to use my various ST's & Falcons as it is... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's

by TOwad＠aol.com

I'm interested in the TRS-80s you mentioned. How much will it cost? I'm in PA 17347. Thanks, Tom

28 years, 4 months

Interest In Unix

by mark＠cyberlightstudios.com

Hi, Yes, I've got experience with Linux. Email me at mark(a)cyberlightstudios.com Mark -----Original Message----- From: Hotze [SMTP:photze@batelco.com.bh] Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 9:49 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Interest In Unix << File: ATT00000.htm >> Season's greetings! I have just gotten interested in Linux, (so, it's not truly classic content, but it's implementations are); and I was wondering if anyone here has experience with this kind of thing.... any Linux experience at all. (Sorry for the decipful headline) And I know that it makes me look like an idiot; but possilby if someone could transmit some good newsgroups. People have said time and time again that there are betternewsgroups where we can put all of our "modern" questions. Possibly, that could be included in the FAQ. (Or NAQ) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 4 months

Advice wanted for cleaning edge connectors, IC sockets, etc.

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

I recently started the process of bringing my old IMSAI back to the land of the living; it's been packed away for about 10 years, and while it is still functional, the front panel (which never was too stable to begin with) is showing some signs of dirty connections, such as LEDs that flicker if the panel is bumped, unpredictable response to some address switches, etc. I would like to give it a good cleaning, and was wondering what I should use. I didn't know if something like "tuner wash" would be bad for the connectors, PC board, plastic IC sockets, silk screening, solder mask, etc. I considered rubbing alcohol, but I don't know what the effect of that would be either. I checked the FAQs that I know of, and about all I came up with was someone's technique of "giving the circuit board a good scrubbing" with dish soap and swinging it on the end of a string to dry it. As this technique strikes me as possibly dangerous, to myself, the boards, and passers-by, I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. :^) -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing about it." -www.paranoia.com

28 years, 4 months

Forward: Atari STacy FS

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

found on dc.forsale.computers, so it's located somewhere in northern va. email the seller, not me! For Sale: Atari STacy portable computer. 4MB RAM. 40 MB hard disk. Built-in screen, MIDI, and trackball. Can also use external mouse and monitor if desired. STacy is perfect for serving as the MIDI heartbeat of an art installation or for live gigs. To this day, the Atari has the most accurate MIDI clocking ever produced on a computer. No other full-computer package provides the perfect MIDI portablility of the STacy - one piece grab and go! Though the memory and disk seems small by modern standards, the software written for this machine (and there is lots of it) was written small and fast. Thus, MIDI-wise, STacy can do it all, and do it well, besting many modern boxes running modern un-tuned code. (No digital audio though...) Also, if you want to exercise the score-printing capabilities, I can provide an Atari laser printer with it. Though old, this is still a special box. I'm not "blowing it out", but all reasonable offers will be considered. Please respond via email. Subject: FS: Atari STacy portable MIDI computer Path: lobby01.news.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!pitt.edu!dsinc !news.voicenet.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!winter.n ews.erols.com!progster From: progster(a)erols.com (Progster)

28 years, 4 months

DECmate II

by scott＠saskatoon.com

Yesterday I picked up a DECmate II. Unfortunately, there were no disks with it. I have a few questions... 1. How would I recognize an APU or XPU board? 2. Where can I get a boot disk for it? 3. What software was(is) available for it? (I guess I can now say I have a PDP-8.) ttfn srw

28 years, 4 months

Interest In Unix

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Season's greetings! I have just gotten interested in Linux, (so, it's not truly classic content, but it's implementations are); and I was wondering if anyone here has experience with this kind of thing.... any Linux experience at all. (Sorry for the decipful headline) And I know that it makes me look like an idiot; but possilby if someone could transmit some good newsgroups. People have said time and time again that there are betternewsgroups where we can put all of our "modern" questions. Possibly, that could be included in the FAQ. (Or NAQ) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 4 months

RED ALERT!! BIG LOAD OF FREEBIES!!

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 04:59 PM 12/3/97 -0500, William Donzelli wrote: >> > There is also a DEC-system 2020. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> Holy &*^%&*%! (Spits out soda) That's a DEC-10! > >Wipe that up! > >Well, it is a 36 bitter, thus deserving a spot in any collection, but I am >sure some of the PDP-10 old timers (hmmmm, who could they be?) will be >quick to tell you that the 2020s are the little runts of the family. They >were slow and not really elegant. I think of myself as a young DECsystem-10 old timer :-) Whilst it's true to say that the horrible orange 2020s are runts, not real -10s (they're the wrong colour and size to start with), they are the only practical DEC 36 bit system for the home user.... It's no bigger than a VAX-11/780 and there are quite a few people with systems that size at home. The biggest regret I have is that I was offered one about 5 years ago and didn't have the space or money at the time to get it - it was later scrapped.... Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "My Alfas keep me poor in a monetary Melbourne Australia 3083 | sense, but rich in so many other ways"

28 years, 4 months

oldies but goodies

by mwhybark＠halcyon.com

Seattle area: Zenith Z-180 portable, circa 1983 lotsa SW manuals battery unvouched for display spotty please bid, not looking for a gold mine, u-haul! FREE: Katpro 2, manuals, some SW + Jukiwriter 6100, cables (hey, it got me through school about 10 years ago!)

28 years, 4 months

Spoiled by geezers

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> <> Th PX-8 can wake up, do something and go to sleep automajikally. <> <Well, I agree that these systems are better; recently, wintel machines als <have certain accessories which can schedule the PC to turn on. Yes but the PX-8 is now 13 years old and the nicads in it could sustain continous computing for 12-16 hours. I've tried one for logging data and it ran for two weeks at 1-2 minutes per hour without trouble. The time and autostart/shutdown was built in, no extras needed. Most laptops would be hard pressed to run the total uptime without killing the battery. Allison

28 years, 4 months

weekend finds

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:12 AM 12/2/97 -0600, you wrote: >>I am amazed that there isn't a standard for remotes -- 01 for on/off, 02 for > >Hmm. I've got seven remotes and devices here on my desk, and I'm glad >they don't speak the same symbols. I wish they had fewer standards >and more configurable uniqueness, so I could run two of the same >devices each with their own remote. :-) Okay, good point. So what we need is channels, like MIDI gear (and maybe Device ID's, like SCSI.) Hmmm... But then we're getting too complicated for the average bozo (comment about flashing 12:00 omitted.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

apple rgb monitor problems

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>i need some help with an applecolor rgb monitor if anyone can. >does anyone know any way of testing this monitor? i have one in the >silver-gray colour that matches my mac IIcx yet, i cannot seem to get any >video on it. This really sounds like the monitor for an Apple IIgs. I have three such monitors. (One isn't in very good shape and the other two are in use.) I think there are some Macs that can use this monitor, but I'm not positive. Make sure you are using analog RGB, not digital. What pinout is on the end of the cable? (I think it's supposed to be DB-25, if I have the number right, but I'm using the monitor to type this message and thus can't check right now. :)) -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

28 years, 4 months

Spoiled by geezers

by Zeus334＠aol.com

><< <> I hate to continue the waste [well, maybe not], but in my original post ><> said "on _and_ off..." These machines cannot turn on by themselves > <> unattended by setting an internal wake-up time. > <> > <Well, actually, they can. > > Th PX-8 can wake up, do something and go to sleep automajikally. > Well, I agree that these systems are better; recently, wintel machines also have certain accessories which can schedule the PC to turn on.

28 years, 4 months

FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's

by manney＠nwohio.com

Two TRS-80 Model 4's are available for free in northern Ohio. I can stall the owner for a couple of days, but if I don't get a reply, they get trashed. Some software, too, (don't know what, will find out) and a wide carriage daisy wheel printer. I'll pack if you pay for shipping. manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: Franklin Ace500 ??? > Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 9:19 PM > > Probably the same as the IIc and Laser 128: > > Input: AC120v 60Hz 36VA > Output: DC17V 1.8A > > Polarity: > > NC(1) > +VE(2,3) > GNd (4,5,6) > NC(7) > > Pin 1 is at 1:00. Pin 7 at 11:00. > > Hope that helps. > > Tom > > >I just got a Franklin Ace 500 copy of Apple ][C, no documentation or power > >supply. Would anyone have the pin outs and voltages of the seven pin DIN > >power connector?

28 years, 4 months

MicroVAX II and NetBSD

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

I have got some more bits to add to my MicroVAX II - 2 extra RA81s and an RA82 in their own rack unit. This makes RA drives in all now but I can't connect more than 2 at a time as I didn't get any cables with the 3 'new' ones :-(. The RA82 has NetBSD on it but the person who gave them to me said he wasn't sure whether it would work on my machine. When I try to boot off that drive I get the following: 2..1..0.. howto 0x0, bdev 0x11 booting... 10556+552+33996 start 0x0 Nboot :/netbsd 610304+2696+61260 start 0x8c17c ?06 HLT INST PC=00000003 >>> Am I right in thinking that this means I am not going to be able to boot >from this drive. As it is a Unix filesystem I tried to mount it from Ultrix running on the other drive and failed. Is it possible tat I may be able to boot >from the drive, or failing that, is there any other way that I can have a 'nose around' in the drive or should I just incorporate it into my Ultrix filesystem and forget about NetBSD. Eventually I hope to assist in the VAX-Linux port and then use this machine as a server. If anyone knows of any VAX architecture and/or assembly language tutorials on the web I would welcome the URL, and if anyone in the UK has any books or documentation going spare... ;-) I tried buying books but at about 50UKP each, I have no chance. Regards Pete

28 years, 4 months

Info on RQDX3

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Initially, pulled the RQDX1 from the last slot, and installed RQDX3 into <> empty dual wide position (slot 3, right, seemed odd that it was empty. <> And yes, the system ran prior to this) next to tape controller. Later <> reversed process. < <I assume this is a BA23? "Slot 3, right" is empty for a good reason - <it's a special "CD bus" slot, and isn't connected to the rest of the <Q-bus. Nothing works there unless it was specially designed to work there depending on what in the slot order only the first 3 quad slots are CD and the remaining are dual width Q/Q. So if the RQDX1 was was in quad slot 4 or lower you could have a bus grant problem if rqdx3 was plussged into the wrong one of the two now vacant dual with slots! You would definatly get an error if that was the case. Micro11 ba23 from the rear. The numbers are the bus grant order. ----+---- 1 CPU (q/cd) ----+---- 2 memory (q/cd) ----+---- 3 memory (q/cd) Devices get Q off left slot ----+---- 4/5 device (q/q) ----+---- 7/6 device (q/q) ----+---- 8/9 device (q/q) ----+---- 11/10 device (q/q) ----+---- 12/13 device (q/q) I forgot the message but error 14 or 15 is a drive or controller error. kdj11b error 11 not bootable, 12 no disk, 14 no controller, 15 nonexistant drive, 16 invalid unit selected. kdf11b error 12 no controller, 13 drive not ready, 14 drive error, 15 controller error, 16 not bootable Allison

28 years, 4 months

Info on RQDX3

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

New day, new aggrivations... I've been trying to get an ST-212 drive formatted up as an RD51 so I can install a copy of Micro-RSTS onto one of my systems. Got the parameters to format the drive on my VS2000, and that seemed to go OK. Put the drive into the system (a MicroPDP 11/23), and it looked OK until I told the RSTS installer to prepare the drive, at which point it started complaining about various things, and claimed that the drive was an RD52?!? Back to the notes... Find a note that drives formatted on a VS2000 are not compatable with an RQDX1 controller... Whats in the 11/23? Yank the back off... Figures... An RQDX1! FOO!! Off to the board box... Locate an RQDX3, looks promising... Install it in the system... Now the system completes its self test and immediately complains about a "DU0 - ERR 15 Controller Error". WTH is this? Off to the book shelf... NUTZ! Latest book I've got only gets up to the RQDX1! Decide to bag it for the night... Put the RQDX1 back in... Same error??? AARGH!!! So to the questions: What is "DU0 - ERR 15 Controller Error" ? Did the RQDX1 perhaps munge the format on the drive during the install attempt? Anyone have a list of the jumpers on the RQDX3 that might be of use ? Can a RQDX3 be subbed straight across for an RQDX1 ? If not, does anyone have a formatter disk (or whatever) for the RQDX1 ? Why am I now getting the same error from the RQDX1 and the RQDX3 ? Anyone got a spare copy of a manual that covers the various RQDX? ? Foo! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

28 years, 4 months

Spoiled by geezers

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> I hate to continue the waste [well, maybe not], but in my original post <> said "on _and_ off..." These machines cannot turn on by themselves <> unattended by setting an internal wake-up time. <> <Well, actually, they can. Th PX-8 can wake up, do something and go to sleep automajikally. Allison

28 years, 4 months

Spoiled by geezers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Merchberger [SMTP:zmerch@northernway.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 1:41 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Spoiled by geezers > > ; > I hate to continue the waste [well, maybe not], but in my original post I > said "on _and_ off..." These machines cannot turn on by themselves > unattended by setting an internal wake-up time. > Well, actually, they can. Kai

28 years, 4 months

Donation - old mainframe Unix system

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>Funny... My CoCo can support multiple users, and it wasn't expensive at <>all... $xxx for the machine, $yyy for the floppy drive, $zzz for OS-9 = And the point was... I made a subtle point that the older and often smaller machines were not short on capability and also didn't lack for understandability. The later is significant. Far to many of the wintel boxen are undocumented kluges running a million or more lines of incomprehensable code that sometimes works. After that programming something like PDP-8 with it's smaller memory and very small instruction set suggest getting to the concise solution was essential. Same so for the early micros were 64k of ram and an instruction set that could be remembered. Often the only difference was speed. Allison

28 years, 4 months

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