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by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 12:14 AM 12/6/97 -0500, William Donzelli wrote: >Yes, portable Unix machines do exist! The SPARCstation Voyager is somewhat >like what you describe. It is a luggable monster, and was replaced by the >SPARCbooks some time ago. There was a neat Sony? MIPS based Unix portable that I played with about 7 years ago. Large B&W LCD display, 500Mb disk in a box not much bigger than a Toshiba 5200. Really neat and really expensive. I had one on evaluation for a week or so and it was cool running X at home (of course, these days X is just run of the mill). Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "My Alfas keep me poor in a monetary Melbourne Australia 3083 | sense, but rich in so many other ways"

28 years, 4 months

Interest In Unix

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<everybody expects to figure everything out from little hieroglyphs. <That don't work for me -- I read and use a command line. Intuitive? <Intuition is for illiterate women (NOT ALLISON -- don't hit me!) That is sexist.... ;-) I prefer "pets and small children" in place of women in that sentence. As to hitting you, never. I've trained old dogs and I don't hit them either. ;) <Intuition is for illiterate pets and small children. Here's a historical quote.... "Unix is snake oil" Tee shirt seen at the mill: owner remains: Front: The NO circle with the word unix in lower case. the digital logo (the "keys") "Unix the unsystem, never had it never will". Allison

28 years, 4 months

10 years and change/use it or lose it

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Off-topic part of post, please ignore. Here's the way I remember these things: BeeGee = 70's pop music group memeber GeeBee = 30's racing aircraft Meantime, back to the computers; 1) I vote strongly in favor of keeping the 10-year rule. It's simple, it's hard to start an argument over, and it has worked wonderfully so far. It is a "moving window", but that's appropriate. Time is moving on... 2) On whether to mothball or use a system: if it's your second one, mothball. If it's your first one of that type, follow Tony's good suggestions regarding PS testing and then *use it*. Keep the packing material, keep the manuals pristine, but get some time on it. Why? Nobody is going to get passionate about a box in the closet. Five years from now when the rest of your family needs more room in the closet, that box will hit the streets or the dumpster if it's just a box. ("But you *never use it!*") Worse, 5 years from now Tony may have been hit by a truck (er... lorry. and no offense intended, Tony!) and no one will be able to help you debug the power supply if you decide to fire it up and it fails its test. On the other hand, if it's the system you spend your nights hacking on to try to port Mosaic or bring up a Mandelbrot-set displayer on, it's *safe*. Your family will hit the streets instead :-). And if it's got an infant-mortality problem, better to flush it out while this group is around to help you. Just my humble opnion. I play Tetris on my Rainbow and am planning to (real soon now (TM) ) write a Mandelbrot set program on it. I use my Mac Plus for the family finances and all sorts of games (it's getting flaky though. needs work.). My NeXT is at my office and web-surfs and runs Mathematica analyses for my job, in exchange for its IP address. (urk! wasn't I just advocating the 10-year rule? Sorry. We'll be there soon!) - Mark

28 years, 4 months

Interest In Unix

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu, photze(a)batelco.com.bh Subj: Re: Interest In Unix Tim D. Hotze wrote: >------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD01A6.0C8FEE00 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Season's greetings! I have just gotten interested in Linux, (so, it's = >not truly classic content, but it's implementations are); and I was = >wondering if anyone here has experience with this kind of thing.... any = >Linux experience at all. (Sorry for the decipful headline) > And I know that it makes me look like an idiot; but possilby if = >someone could transmit some good newsgroups. People have said time and = >time again that there are betternewsgroups where we can put all of our = >"modern" questions. Possibly, that could be included in the FAQ. (Or = >NAQ) > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > I was under the impression that Linus started with the minix code - early versions of which are certainly approaching the 10 year classical limit. Here is some other help: % newsgroups | grep linux comp.os.linux.admin comp.os.linux.advocacy comp.os.linux.announce comp.os.linux.answers comp.os.linux.development comp.os.linux.development.apps comp.os.linux.development.system comp.os.linux.hardware comp.os.linux.help comp.os.linux.m68k comp.os.linux.misc comp.os.linux.networking comp.os.linux.setup comp.os.linux.x have fun. Peter Prymmer

28 years, 4 months

Portable Collection

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:41 PM 12/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Th PX-8 can wake up, do something and go to sleep automajikally. I noticed that in the docs t'other day too. Which brings me to the changed subject... With the receipt of a PX-8 (with matching P-80 Portable printer!) I kinda feel like I've got a pretty decent collection of portable computers going. What I've got so far is: Altima 2 Amstrad PPC640 Amstrad PDA 600 "PenPad" Apple Macintosh Portable Atari Portfolio Bondwell B310plus. Casio FA-10 Docking Station Compaq Portable 386 Data General One Epson HX-20 Laptop Epson PX-8 Laptop Grid GridCase3 Grid GridPad 1910 Hewlett-Packard 75D Hewlett-Packard Vectra LS/12 Hewlett-Packard Portable Vectra CS Iasis Computer in a Book IBM PC Radio IBM PS/2 Model 70 Lunchbox Interactive Network NEC MultiSpeed NEC PC8201A NEC PC8401A "Starlet" Osborne 01 Osborne Executive Outbound Laptop Panasonic HHC (HandHeld Computer) Radio Shack Model 100. Sharp PC-7000 with printer Sharp PC-7100 Seequa Chameleon Sharp PC-4 Texas Instruments Compact Computer 40, Type-O-Graph Zenith ZP-150 Zenith ZF-161 Zenith Z-170 Zenith Supersport 286 Not all of these are working 100% (yet), and a couple are still enroute (Outbound & Portfolio). So anyway, I sorta feel like I could not add another machine and still have a collection of portables that covers the important ones, plus a bunch that were kinda weird or personally significant. But, I'm certainly no expert, so there may very well be some that I'm missing that are important. I know I'd like to get a Z88 and a Poquet PC, an Original Compaq (I've got a Compac [sic] but that's not the same thing). Can anyone else think of some I should be looking for? Thanks! (And sorry for the longness(? Length)!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

Epson PX-8 finally dead with no hope?

by Bryn＠bwc.org

Over the last couple of years my PX-8 has suffered a slow degredation of its quality of life. Firstly the old batteries gave out, but when these were replaced with a set from Tauber Electronics of 4901 Morena Blvd, San Diego, Ca., the replacement set took a looooong time to charge up, and in the process burnt out a transistor - GRB - R6 in the attached Multi-unit (64) board. Nothing would work. So I detached the multi unit and limped on with the original 12kb of memory. However, the tape drive also stopped writing correctly. If I wrote to it I could no longer access any thing from it. But still we limped along for over 2 years, by downloading through the serial port via a VT200 cable to the Unix system at work using the Term program, each time we'd written four pages of text. But finaly the it is also not powering up, and all the advise I read in the archives of this list - particularly: To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Epson PX-8, no power up From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:16:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <33DB9664.7DF771DF(a)rain.org> AND To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Epson PX-8, no power up From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:41:40 -0700 References: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970727103047.2032L-100000(a)crl3.crl.com> Etc. has been to no avail. All the ROMS are in, the batteries are connected, the Power units work etc. etc... Is it time to turn the unit into a boat anchor? It has served us so well for so long it seems there should be a more fitting way of saying goodbye. I'd be willing to mail it anyhere, but it was repairable when it left Israel, I doubt it would be by the time it got to where it is going. Now I'm left with an orphaned P-80X printer - I guess I may as will ditch it as well. Pity... regards, Bryn Deamer -------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: bryn(a)bwc.org : Bryn and Sherna Deamer URL : www.poboxes.com/bryn : P.O. Box 155, 31001 Ph: 972-4-8358457 fx: 8358591 : Haifa, Israel ---------------------------------END--------------------------------

28 years, 4 months

Old Systems Available

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

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28 years, 4 months

new additions (long)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

this weekend brought me several interesting items. someone from south carolina noticed my name was on the classic computer mailing list and emailed me about some machines he wanted to give me so i met him halfway and picked up a truckload of items. i got: 2 xycom cpm workstations which are big old one piece units, complete with 8 inch floppy drives. an external 10 meg hard drive unit. add on floppy unit for a total of 3 drives a giant and extremely heavy box full of original documentation and cpm 1.1 system disks/wordstar/spellstar/business software. ~200 disks total, and some are still blank and never used! also got a decwriter on casters and all the cables to hook everything up. i have not powered up the machines yet, as i'm letting them acclimate for 24 hours since they had to ride in the back of the truck in 20 degree weather. at a radio rally the same day i got: mac se fdhd ibm basic primer handbook still in shrinkwrap. mca modem <?> card apple //c power supply in original plastic wrap. ( i didnt know it was supposed to be so white!) some C= 64 stuff, including some manuals, a print interface and a modem in the original box with a price tag of over $100. i even got the quantumlink software in a never opened box. and my best find, a tandy 102! complete with owner's guide, ps, and matching battery operated cassette recorder. the guy wanted $30 for it, but my girlfriend's smile got the computer for $20 lol. david

28 years, 4 months

: Re: Hot Dog! I got my 11/34 today!

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:34:40 +0000 (GMT), Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>Well done!!! Thanks! This has been a long time in coming (since October). Unfortunately, I have to go down there again because the guy there e-mailed me and said that he "found the right-hand panel for the rack." Dooooh! >>If you ever need to change the heads on an RK05 you need to get an >>alignment disk. I'm rather too far away to pop round with mine. Is there a way to make a copy of that disk pack, or is it a factory-made item> >>Have you clamped the RK05 heads (remove the top covers and there's a 'L' >>shaped clamp on top of the positioner. Use that to hold the voice coil in >>the rearmost position)? If not, do it now. There's a battery pack (4 off >>1/2AA NiCds) on top of the RK05 PSU that's supposed to keep the heads >>retracted (and to retract them if there's a power failure with a pack >>mounted), but it's probably decayed by now. I don't recall seeing a battery pack when I opened the RK05's, but yes, I did lock the servos before moving the computer. I also, looked at the specs for the computer -- I definitely have to drop a new electrical service to my shop. Start-up current on the two RK05's alone is 20a at 125v. >>I'd advise you to take all the units out of the rack to move it. With 2 >>people helping, you can carry an RK05 or PDP11/34 CPU box fully >>assembled, but I'd not want to carry more than 1 at a time. You should be >>able to move the rack with all the slide rails still in place, I think The PDP is in my garage right now. What a trip it was trying to tilt it up while getting it out of the van. It took 3 people to make sure that no one got crushed! >>Enjoy your new toy - it's a great machine I can't wait to get it up and running. Thanks for the tips! Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 4 months

Donation - old mainframe Unix system

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<A 68040 -based machine is not that old, maybe a bit under 10 years. What I <was wondering is whether or not there is any objective advantage of old <machines to new ones. F.E. one could get an old IBM mini (System/3X) for <little or no money, but is there anything doable on it that is impossible t <do on a W****** 95 machine? It would be rare to say that a late W95 box isn't more capable. The only thing it cant do is support more than one user! Though I've seen PDP-8s that can. Now a late model PC running something other than w95 like linux can support multiple users, not that common though. Most older machines that was an expectation. After all they were expensive. ;-) There is something that is possible on older machine that is close to impossible on a win95 box. I can completely document my entire s100 machine right down to sources for CP/M, a significant number of applications and the circuits for all the cards, backplane and power supply. Some of my PDP-11 stuff I can do near as well. In other words I have all the resources to understand it and even copy it or improve it, something I have done. Allison

28 years, 4 months

Portable Collection

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>The military once procured a bunch of XT-like machines that were portable >and keyboardless. Everything was done thru a touchscreen, including a >virtual keyboard. About five years ago, there were a bunch floating around >the hamfests in the Chicago area. That would be _so_ cool to see.... can anyone tell me what they looked like?

28 years, 4 months

Help, Dyna Micro

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Hi, I found today a Dyna Micro. This is all I know about the thingy. It is apparently a learning system or a prototping system. Unfortunately the board was completely nude (only sockets). Does anybody have any info on it, is it worth salvaging? It has a 4x4 keypad on the bottom right corner and a vero style prototyping area on the left side, the circuitry is above there is a row of 24 LEDs room for a processor (whaterver it might be) and a couple ROMS the rest might be RAM and glue. On the brighter side I also found two Osbone I in perfect condition with one set of disks for $7 :) :) ------------------------------------------------------------ Francois Auradon Visit the Sanctuary at: http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

28 years, 4 months

Portable Collection

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>But, I'm certainly no expert, so there may very well be some that I'm >missing that are important. I know I'd like to get a Z88 and a Poquet PC, >an Original Compaq (I've got a Compac [sic] but that's not the same thing). >Can anyone else think of some I should be looking for I forgot one more - the Cambridge Z88. It's not significant because of what it was (being very similar to the Amstrad Notepad, although I am not sure just how similar as I failed to pick up the only one I have seen), but for who made it. Cambridge Computers, I believe, was the computer company set up by Sir Clive Sinclair after the collapse (and sale to Amstrad) of Sinclair. Adam.

28 years, 4 months

Portable Collection

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>But, I'm certainly no expert, so there may very well be some that I'm >missing that are important. I know I'd like to get a Z88 and a Poquet PC, >an Original Compaq (I've got a Compac [sic] but that's not the same thing). >Can anyone else think of some I should be looking for I would have to suggest the Commodore SX-64 (I have one, and they are pretty good) and the TRS-80 Model 4P (also one I have, and certainly worth having). Also, although extremely unlikly to be found, there was a C64 laptop made that didn't go into production - I doubt there were many prototypes, but I know they existed. Someone else mentioned the Apricot Portable _ I am desperatly after one myself, and figure it would be a wonderful find. Not a great computer, mind you, but nevertheless a wonderful find. Very stylish. Adam.

28 years, 4 months

One collector down temporarily.

by jbeolett＠ssi.net

Unfortunatly, my good friend Daniel Seagraves (dseagrav) a frequent contributer to this list is temporarily out of service due to the death of his grandmother last night. He is expected back Tuesday. I feel sorry for him being he is one of my closest friends. I don't reguraly post to this list and this doesn't really fit in to classic computing other than the fact that he's a collector and he's out of service for a few days.

28 years, 4 months

This weeks finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Slow begining but a few finds Friday and Saturday. My biggest find was a Wang laptop with carrying case (black), 14.5 lbs, 512k ram, NICAD battery (dead), 10mb HD, full size keyboard, full size supertwist LCD screen, RS-232 port, SCSI port for external floppy drives, MS-DOS 3.2 and DOS reloaded, builtin modem, uses NEC V30 CPU, 8 Mhz clock rate. It's missing the ext drives 3.5 and 5 1/4 and 18V power supply. This unit has a builtin printer also. Other finds - Socrates infra-red keyboard do not have a base unit here to test it with; 2 Mac Plus keyboards; Apple Personal LaserWriter NT $5 not tested yet; Hitachi external CD-ROM drive (free) not tested yet; Laser128 with power brick not tested yet; a Amiga 500 with mouse, ext 3.5 FD, and power brick not tested yet cost was .80 cents for all of it; HP Thinkjet model 2225C not tested yet; a Zenith luggable model ZFA-138-42 not tested yet $5; about 30 different manuals for many different products like Kennedy model 1600 tape unit;VTech video painter; and last a Apple personal modem model A9M0334. Well that's it for the week, will take a day off Sunday. Still trying to setup the warehouse deal for BIG load of systems. - John Keep computing !!

28 years, 4 months

GRiDCASE 3 info

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Hello. First post to this list: I am looking for any and all info for the GRiD GRiDCASE 3 laptop. I know all the specs, but I need info for the GRiD-OS and any software and it's availability for the GRiD-OS. As it stands now, I have MS-DOS 2.11 ROM installed, GRiD-OS ROM internal daughter card with various apps installed, and an optional ROM that includes a VT100 terminal. I would really like to find out how to format a disk under GRiD-OS, and any other system commands I can use besides the built-in menu. I have no external (floppy) software for the GRiD-OS, but if anyone has it, I'd pay for copies. Also, if anyone is looking for specs and info for GRiD laptops, please checkout this page I am slowly putting together: http://limbo.netpath.net/hw/GRiD - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

28 years, 4 months

Portable Collection

by Zeus334＠aol.com

--Original So anyway, I sorta feel like I could not add another machine and still have a collection of portables that covers the important ones, plus a bunch that were kinda weird or personally significant. --- Well, an interesting one was the Apricot portable, which I have no experience with. I heard it had voice command, and ran off an 8088.

28 years, 4 months

Seeking classics for collection

by agammuto＠cybersoft.com

Greetings- I'm new to this list. Anybody willing to sell or know a source for: IMSAI 8080, OSI Challenger, or KIM?

28 years, 4 months

Hot Dog! I got my 11/34 today!

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Today, my father and I drove to Philadelphia to pick-up an 11/34 system. It has been used by the Univ. of Pennsylvania psychology department since its original installation date. It was only decommissioned two months ago because its "user" retired. I haven't taken a complete inventory yet, but here's the haul: 11/34 processor, expansion box and two RK05s in a 6' rack (It's even configured as shown on the cover of the 11/34 hardware book), engineering diagrams, manuals, programming books, 4 disk packs, replacement drive heads, air filters, one spare RK05, and loads of spare boards. I'll start inventorying this week. Also, I have to tear the rack down in order to move it to the basement (it's in my garage now). At 450 lbs., it was too heavy to move downstairs. I'll probably remove the RK05s to move it. Then, I have to drop a 120v/30a line into the shop. More to come... Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 4 months

???

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Is this a list? Hoping this won't show up to a bunch of subscribers... Want to see if I can join the list, and all I have is this obscure e-mail address reference... Didn't mean to piss anyone off if I did by posting this message through the "wrong" channels... Prease Excuse. - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

28 years, 4 months

Advice wanted for cleaning edge connectors, IC sockets, etc.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<"tuner wash" would be bad for the connectors, PC board, plastic IC <sockets, silk screening, solder mask, etc. I considered rubbing <alcohol, but I don't know what the effect of that would be either. I <checked the FAQs that I know of, and about all I came up with was <someone's technique of "giving the circuit board a good scrubbing" <with dish soap and swinging it on the end of a string to dry it. As <this technique strikes me as possibly dangerous, to myself, the Remove the front panel circuit board. Insure any dress items like the front pannel overlay are not on it and put it in the dish washer with the usual cleaner (any dishes too). This will do a very good job and is not caustic. It dry it well, if it come out with water in the switches don't panic. Put it in an oven set real low (you want 140 degrees) and bake it dry. Lubricate the switches with a contact leaner that has some low residue lubricant in it. Drying is a no rush thing. FYI soap with plenty of clean water rinse is the least damaging thing you can use. I've done this many, many times (whole production runs!) using this approach. Any switches once dries that are failed/flaky can be replaced easily as they are common parts. Allison

28 years, 4 months

Portable Collection

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:36 PM 12/5/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hmm. Just thinking about portables in my own collection.... > >Convergent Workslate Yep, definitely very cool. Gotta add it to my wish list. (Hey, christmas is coming! 8^) >Gavilan I know the name, but little else. I'd love to hear more when you get through all the docs & such. >HP 110 (Portable) >HP Portable Plus Y'know, I donated a couple of these to CHAC back when I thought I could get away without actually collecting computers myself... But I'm an HP lover too, so these go on the wish list... (P.S., do you know about the 918DX offer?) >HP Integral PC > - Unix in ROM Oh yeah. Saw yours at the VCF. <drool, drool, lust, lust> I *definitely* want one of these. >Osborne 3 > - Somebody please tell me I don't have the *only* one in the world! >Osborne 4 (Vixen) > - Hey, if you're interested in collecting the whole set.... I wouldn't mind having the whole set at all. 8^) Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

Spoiled by geezers

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:36 PM 12/5/97 EST, you wrote: >What exactly is a PX-8? BTW, I have a Mac Portable, which I got because it The PX-8 is a small laptop, kinda similar to the HX-20 or the m100/NEC/m10 crowd, but more in the same class as the NEC Starlet. It's a CP/M machine with an 8(?) line flip-up display and built-in micro-cassette drive. >wasn't working. After connecting the battery directly to the AC power for a >few seconds, it worked. The battery is dead now, though. I use another AC The Mac Portable is an odd critter. It seems it runs off the battery, and the power supply is only there to charge the battery. I'm learning a lot about them right now, in fact. My current idea is to make a doohickey that will feed power in from an external power source to the battery contacts so you don't need the regular power supply at all. Basically, if you don't have a working battery (or something to fool the mac portable into thinking you do) then it won't work. The battery is a 6v lead-acid battery. >adapter for the battery, as well as the normal one. That thing eats power! Why >your battery is alive and mine died, god only knows. The PX-8 runs (iirc -- I only got mine on Wednesday and spent yesterday at a funeral so I haven't played with it much) on AA batteries. It has no floppy or hard drive, and the small LCD screen probably doesn't use much juice. Hence, all you need power for is the RAM and CPU/electronics. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

Panasonic HHC

by ddales＠cts.com

I have an HHC in perfect working order and was just wondering what it might be worth to a collector. Just curious, Dave Dales Ddales(a)cts.com San Diego, CA

28 years, 4 months

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