I found a guy on comp.sys.apple2 selling //gs systems. $125 + S/H for a very
clean ROM.03 version with both 51/4 and 31/2 floppy drives, an RGB monitor,
keyboard, and all cables.
Since this is my first time looking at the //gs's, how does that price
sound? He also has ROM.01 versions.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
<From: Zeus334(a)aol.com
<Is there any way that CP/M is better than MS-DOS? i.e. does it provide
<anything that DOS doesn't?
CP/M is a generic but there are distinct flavors so...
First off it's not a MS product and sources can be had. For the
8080/z80 crowd there is literally a mountain of free software out there.
For the 8088/6 and 80x86 family MS managed to snuff it out before much
was developed. CPM-86 uses a different directory than MSDOS.
Now... there are CPM for PC products like CCPM, DRdos7 and OpenDOS
and they are dos replacements based off the outgrowth of CP/M-86.
Caldara is one source. They offer things dos didn't do and most are
available as sources.
Allison
> Is there any way that CP/M is better than MS-DOS? i.e. does it provide
> anything that DOS doesn't?
One thing I've always really really missed in MS-DOS is the IOBYTE. I've done
enought whacky wild things with the IOBYTE (debugging a program running on one
screen by interacting with the debugger on another, interacting with a user on
one terminal while drawing pictures on a Tek 4010, even a serial mouse-based
dorky little sketch program) that I really miss it.
But by far the absolutely most important thing CP/M does better than MS-DOS is
be hardware independent. The CP/M community isn't tied to one hardware
platform like the MS-DOS community is. Sure, there _used_ to be wild and
interesting MS-DOS machines, but you can no longer run even the most basic
software on anything that doesn't have memory mapped video in a certain
location, a pair of 8259 interrupt controllers, 8250 UARTs, a particular
keyboard controller, etc.
I'm split about whether CP/M's filesystem or MS-DOS's file system is worse.
FAT sucks big time (especially FAT12), but at least it doesn't have to go
searching through the entire directory every 16KB. Of course, given exactly
how much FAT sucks, it's usually only one day a week or so that I think CP/M's
filesystem is worse than MS-DOS's...
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Does anybody need some old Mac Software (great for all of those
"classic" macs that don't have the memory for system >= 6). Lots of
great stuff that I just can't bring myself to toss out, but which I will
*never* use again.
If you want it badly enough to pay for shipping, plus a token $1 for my
trouble, email me.
-mark
<thompson(a)tgsoft.com>
p.s. Includes lightspeed C, kriya neon, microsoft multiplan and borland reflex
Well; on the case; it just says "Zenith"; I believe. It's a square design;
with two horizontally-located 5 1/2" bays; occupied by some kind of black
disk drive. One of the computers IS a Zenith 286; w/ 20MB HDD; 2 FDDs; etc.
and a CGA (EGA?) monitor. The others are Wangs.... not really too peachy
either; but they seem to run like 286's. Of course; at the Embassy; we've
all got our Pentiums; our Windows 95 w/ a Windows NT server.....
But the HDD is just DEAD; from what I can tell. I'd just want to
replace that; hardware-transparently if possible; but if not.... I've got
all my life.
Thanks for the advice,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>>malfuctioning PCs that I know of. Remember; this is for a high school;
>>for >the Department of Defence dependants; and a few others, but their
>>funding is >not... ideal. So if you could please just send a MFM HDD,
>>or; if you have
>
>I can guarentee that, the whole base in Bahrain isn't that great. I just
>happened to realize something, are these 286's "Zenith 248's"? If so they
>can be a real pain to add anything to. The DOD had ton's of these, back in
>'87 the government was getting them for about $1500 apiece. Horrible
>design, but I've got "fond" memories of them :^)
>
> Zane
>
>
>| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
>| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
>| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
>+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
>| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
>| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |
>
>
No idea how many Australians are on this list, but I have just been offered
3 CPC6128's with colour monitors. I am thinking I could do with one (both
of the others I own have some faults) and would be willing to pick up the
others if anyone is after one. They'll cost me around $30 each, though - a
good price (they are normally around $50 because of the monitors), but not
wonderful.
Adam.
>Dunno, I attended a Navy class on these back in '91 or '92, and the bit
>that really shocked me was the CPU on a daughterboard. I'm also almost
>positive it didn't use SIMMs. It could be this design was the DOD version
>of the Z-248, or was yours upgraded with a different MB to get a more
>expandable system.
Well; we'll find out soon enough! (When I get the supplies)
>I just happened to think of another oddity about this computer, it's the
>only IBM clone I can remember using that had a Boot ROM that you could drop
>into. I think CNTRL-ALT-INS drops you into it, but I'm not sure. I seem
>to remember finding it by accident originally.
I'll try that the next time I see one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tim D. Hotze | "I'm Sure that God intended for me to be |
Techie | rich, it just hasn't happened yet."
|
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> Okay... I'll take the IDE cards; but then I'd need IDE HDDs. I used to
have
> 2; but then I gave one to a friend (and their 286!) and the other ended
up
> going to repair another friends computer. So I'd need the drives too....
As
> close to 15MB as they come....
I don't know if there was such a thing as a 15 MB IDE. There was a 20 MB
(ST 125? It had the same characteristics as the ST-225). I think I have a
coupla 40 MB's.
You'll have to have IDE cards with floppy controller, and serial/parallel,
'cause that's what I have.
> You can just ship 'em to me. I can pay for shipping; if you want.
Please. I'm not independently wealthy, as some of the collectors on this
list seem to be (OH NO! I've just started another flame war! :)
> DO NOT SHIP THEM TO THE SCHOOL.
manney(a)nwohio.com
Cross-post from comp.os.cpm. Reply to the author.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use)
ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
============================================
"My basement is overflowing with stuff I have been unable to send to the
landfill. Lots of Boards, 8" disks, Terminals, C P/M programs.
What I'm trying to do is find a home for are some Godbout CompuPro
CPUs running C P/M. I tossed several band printers into the dumpster along
with the LearSiegler Terminal, but couldn't bear to do that with
these reliable, inestructible old Classics.. I still have terminals for the
S-100 's a Wyse with separate keyboard and a Heath/Zenith Z-19.
The Godbout machines work marvelously. I am interested in contacting
anyone who could use these reliable old machines.
reply to joanahone(a)aol.com "
=======================
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
Has anyone heard of a Sanyo MBC - 675. Do you know anything about it?
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
Not So. Atari was completely sold to Tramiel. You might be confusing
them with Activision which was founded by former Atari programmers.
----------
From: Uncle Roger
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 12:29PM
At 05:24 PM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still
retain
>the rights!
I think that's Atari Games which Warner held on to (? at least it didn't
fall into the hands of Tramiel) and has been putting out arcade games as
well, I think.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 05:24 PM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still retain
>the rights!
I think that's Atari Games which Warner held on to (? at least it didn't
fall into the hands of Tramiel) and has been putting out arcade games as
well, I think.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
They gave JTS a bridge loan of 25 Million and merged with JTS. If the
merger did not work JTS owes the loan. If it does work, then the loan
is forgiven. Atari licensed games to Sega and Nintendo. They also
write games for other platforms including MS DOS/Windows. I believe
their name is now ATARI INTERACTIVE GAMES, but I'll check on it.
----------
From: Hotze
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:17PM
Can you give me more info?
-----Original Message-----
From: Faiaz, Michael C. HSD <FAIAZMC(a)hsd.utc.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still
retain
>the rights!
>
> ----------
>From: Don Maslin
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:06PM
>
>
>On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
>
>> At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> >Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation
has
>the best
>> >HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and
it
>was
>>
>> For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the
>remnants
>> of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in
the
>> future...?
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
O-
>>
>> Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being
mad
>> sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen
know."
>> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
>> San Francisco, California
http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>
>For a little more 'classic content', the "JT" in JTS is for Jugi Tandon
>of oldtime floppy disk drive fame and later hard disk and PC clones.
>The
>hard disk rights were sold to Western Digital at the time that they
>bailed out of the card making business. Small world, ain't it?
>
> - don
>
> donm(a)cts.com
>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
-
>*
> Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
> Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
> Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
> Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-
-
>*
> see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj
>
>
;-) Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Bill Whitson said:
>So, everybody knows where the web site is
>now ;). The system was changed to NT recently
>and I'm still figuring out IIS. I'll either
>fix the machine or the FAQ ;).
This is NT we're talking about -- the machine is a lost cause unless ya
revert to *nix / Solaris.
Of course, I wonder if I could write a webserver for OS-9 Level II.... ;-)
Does anyone have the specifications for programming a TCP/IP stack? (yea
I've heard of KA9Q... but that's all in C, so it's too big for a CoCo). I'm
talking from _scratch_...
Have fun,
"Merch"
--
Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional
Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers
zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
Okay... I'll take the IDE cards; but then I'd need IDE HDDs. I used to have
2; but then I gave one to a friend (and their 286!) and the other ended up
going to repair another friends computer. So I'd need the drives too.... As
close to 15MB as they come....
You can just ship 'em to me. I can pay for shipping; if you want. DO
NOT SHIP THEM TO THE SCHOOL. If it would make you feel more comfortable, I
can get the teachers address, but not yet.
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>Haven't they made 3 1/2 to 5 1/4 rails for lo, these many years?
>
>I have a box full of WD 103 controller cards somewhere...just not sure
>where. I _do_ know where my ISA IDE cards are.
>
>...but where are these supposed to be sent?
>
>manney
>
>----------
>> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
>> To: Manney
>> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 8:51 PM
>>
>> Yes; but then I'd have to ship the controller cards as well. These only
>> have the 5 1/2" (or whatever) drivebays; the ones that fit the XTs; etc.
>I
>> think that they're half-height.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>>
>>
>> >On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, PG Manney wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sent where?
>> >>
>> >> Since those are 286's, they could be outfitted with cheapo IDE's such
>as
>> >> ST-157's and 125's as well...IDE paddle cards are common.
>> >>
>> >Actually, that is probably the smarter thing to do. Smaller drives,
>less
>> >shipping weight and less postage. Also newer than MFM/RLL and more
>> >readily available, and about equally inexpensive.
>> >
>> > - don
>> >
>>
I'm in contact with someone who has some good classic machines and
alot of extras that he tring to find a good home for. He is located in
Billings, Montana.
=================
"My basement is overflowing with stuff I have been unable to send to the
landfill. Lots of Boards, 8" disks, Terminals, C P/M programs.
What I'm trying to do is find a home for are some Godbout CompuPro
CPUs running C P/M. I tossed several band printers into the dumpster
along with the LearSiegler Terminal, but couldn't bear to do that with
these reliable, inestructible old Classics.. I still have terminals for the
S-100 's a Wyse with separate keyboard and a Heath/Zenith Z-19.
The Godbout machines work marvelously. I am interested in contacting
anyone who could use these reliable old machines.
reply to joanahone(a)aol.com "
=================
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
Can you give me more info?
-----Original Message-----
From: Faiaz, Michael C. HSD <FAIAZMC(a)hsd.utc.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still retain
>the rights!
>
> ----------
>From: Don Maslin
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:06PM
>
>
>On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
>
>> At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> >Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation has
>the best
>> >HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it
>was
>>
>> For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the
>remnants
>> of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in the
>> future...?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>>
>> Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
>> sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
>> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
>> San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>
>For a little more 'classic content', the "JT" in JTS is for Jugi Tandon
>of oldtime floppy disk drive fame and later hard disk and PC clones.
>The
>hard disk rights were sold to Western Digital at the time that they
>bailed out of the card making business. Small world, ain't it?
>
> - don
>
> donm(a)cts.com
>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
>*
> Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
> Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
> Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
> Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--
>*
> see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj
>
>
=============================================================================
ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List
Part 2 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy
List Specific FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.6.3
Last Update: 12/10/97
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available
answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is
Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor-
mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but,
in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain-
ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible
and often failed ;).
This FAQ is Part 2 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented
deals with regular day-to-day issues on the list.
If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please
contact me at the address above.
A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://haliotis.bothellwashington.edu/classiccmp or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.188 in the
directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as cclpart2.faq.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updates: Added: section 1.8
Changed: section 1.3, 1.5, 1.7, 3.1
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1. About the List
-----------------
1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
1.2 Why is ClassicCmp?
1.3 What's a Classic Computer?
1.4 Who runs this thing?
1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator?
1.6 Don't you know you're duplicating what others have done?
1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list?
1.8 How long has this list been around?
2. Protocol and Etiquette
-------------------------
2.1 What can I talk about?
2.2 Can I talk about PCs?
2.3 Can I talk about Mini/MainFrames?
2.4 Can I post advertisements?
2.5 Can I ask people to give me their computers?
2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x?
2.7 Where should I look before posting a dumb question?
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS?!?
2.9 Can I post trophy lists?
2.10 Can I use obscene languagein my posts?
3. Misc List Information
------------------------
3.1 How many subscribers are there?
3.2 How many subscribers use machine x?
3.3 Is this list archived?
4. ClassicCmp Resources on the Net
----------------------------------
4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a Web Site?
4.2 How come the Web Site is so ugly?
4.3 Does ClassicCmp have an FTP Site?
Collecting
----------
5.1 Where can I find Classic Computers?
5.2 How much is machine x worth?
5.3 Will thousands of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them?
5.4 I don't understand anything. Help!
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1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center
on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place
for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions
dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are
often better handled in private e-mail ;)
1.2 Why is ClassicCmp?
Uh, why not? There are lots of people who love these old machines and it
seems like a fun idea to get together and talk about them.
1.3 What is a Classic Computer?
_Any computer_ that has not been manufactured for 10 years is a classic.
This definition is one I made up and it's entirely arbitrary. It seems to
work OK, so I've kept it.
This definition has come under fire recently but remains the guideline.
Remember that it is certainly flexible. The idea is to keep conversation
on track, not to restrict what you can talk about.
1.4 Who runs this thing?
That would be me, Bill Whitson - email bcw(a)u.washington.edu.
1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator?
Sorry. It does often take me several days (sometimes weeks!) to respond
to e-mail. I am often away for days at a time and when I'm not I'm still
probably busy doing real work. I receive more than double the amount of
mail that goes to the list in the form of spam, bounced messages, odd
user requests, general bitching, etc. and I still have to filter out the
messages I actually have to respond to, to remain employed ;). I will get
back to you eventually.
As an update, I've been _really_ hard to reach for the last couple months.
Hopefully, this has now changed. Please keep in mind that this list is
recreation for me, and I sometimes cannot devote any time to it. This
does not indicate a lack of interest in the people or activities
involved.
1.6 Do you know you're just duplicating work other people have done.
I get a "reinventing the wheel" e-mail at least once a week. If you show
me another group of computer collectors that claims a membership as large
as this one I'll show you a group that must be very hard to find. Obviously
there are other groups of collectors and I'm cheering them on - I don't see
a problem with duplicating and reduplicating lore that's quickly disappearing
anyway.
1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list?
The daily load varies widely from about 20 messages to over 100. Average
seems to be about (I haven't checked lately, will update) messages a day.
There are times where the message load peaks for as much as a week.
1.8 How long has this list been around?
The first message went out March 13, 1997.
[][][][][][][][][]
2.1 What can I talk about?
Anything related to classic computers as defined above. There are many
people on this list that really know what they're talking about, so you might
want to check facts before you start shooting off messages. It's also a
good idea to actually read the FAQs and check the archives a little before
posting.
2.2 Can I talk about PCs?
Yes. PCs which haven't been manufactured for 10 years. Even then, be
aware that in many cases you would get a better response posting to PC
newsgroups.
2.3 Can I talk about Minis/MainFrames/WorkStations/Gigantic Talking Boxes
with Flashing Lights & Coundown Timers/Robots from Alien Civilizations?
There has apparently been some misconception that this is a list for
micros/home computers only. You'll note I said "misconception".
2.4 Can I post advertisements?
Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. And, of course,
use your brain - don't spam. Also, please state up-front whether or not
you are willing to ship the items you sell outside your country as there
are members of this list in a number of different countries.
If your post is commercial, please be sure to indicate that in some way
in the subject line.
2.5 Can I ask people to sell/give me their computers?
Sure. But you're not likely to get a very nice response. Mine, for example,
would be: Get your own f***ing computer! There are several people on
usenet who will vouch for this. When someone posts about one of their
machines without offering to sell it - it's really a pretty good bet that
they're not secretly trolling for offers. See section 5 for info on how to
find yourself a computer.
2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x.
Yes. Be aware that it may be difficult to help you fix things if you don't
have much knowledge of how computers work or of how to use basic
electronics tools (VOM/DMM, soldering iron, EPROM burner, etc). I'm no whiz
with this stuff and the little knowledge I have has come from asking
questions and then buying books to find out what "Simple... Just check
the voltage on the caps in the PS to make sure one of them isn't flaking
out!" exactly means.
2.7 Where can I look before posting a dumb question?
It might be a good idea to take a look at what's available in the Archive
section of the ClassicCmp web site (see below).
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?!
(Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?)
Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop
any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars.
2.9 Can I post trophy lists?
Some people like to read other peoples' trophy lists, some do not. There
have been times when most people have been interested in these and times
when many wanted to see them banned. So, they remain - appreciated or
tolerated and somewhat controversial. Can't make everyone happy all the
time ;)
2.10 Can I use obscene language in my posts?
Yes. Although I'm sure many people would prefer you did not. A number of
people have complained about this. I'm not going to outlaw swearing - now
that I've informed you that it bothers people you can make your choice.
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3.1 How many subscribers are there?
Around 210 and changing daily.
3.2 How many subscribers use machine x?
Check the web site (see below). The Classic Computer Encyclopedia shows
the number of machines registered by subscribers.
3.3 Is this list archived?
Yes. The archives are available on the FTP site (see below) in the
directory /pub/classiccmp/archive. The file name format indicates
the month/year of the archive. Keep in mind that they are quite large.
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4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a web site?
Yep. http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp
4.2 How come the web site is so ugly?
How come a PET is so ugly? Who cares as long as it works?
4.3 Does ClassicCmp have an FTP site?
Yes. Anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.188. Look in /pub/classiccmp. There's
not much there that's not available on the web site. I'm starting to
load old drivers and system disks on occasion. There is an incoming
directory which subscribers may use for ClassicCmp-related file transfers
if needed.
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5.1 Where can I find classic computers?
The best places seem to be thrift stores and swap meets. These are
closely followed by pawn shops and mom and pop computer stores.
The holy grails are electronics scrap yards - but they tend to be wary
of individual pick-and-choosers. Oh yeah - garage sales!
5.2 How much is machine x worth?
Precisely as much as you'll pay for it. Oh, you're selling it? Then,
precisely as much as I'll pay for it. Seriously, no one prices these any
more. I have an old Computer Blue Book that lists many classic
computers but the prices are just ridiculous. Some machines (Apple
Lisa's, old old Mini's, and unreleased prototypes) are starting down
the road toward their original selling prices but it's unlikely that
most will ever be worth more than the cost of their components.
5.3 Will 1000's of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them?
Yes. This is the impetus behind every collector's tireless and selfless
effort. Each machine we fail to save has it's gold parts mercilessly
hacked off and sold (just like rhino horns - and look at the rhinos).
The remainder is then sent to China to be made into bicycle spokes (you
probably think I'm joking). Save a computer! Act now! Remind your
SO of the rhino and cuter, fuzzier animals. It might work.
In all seriousness - there are a large (and growing) number of so called
"computer and electronics 'recyclers'" who take usable computers and
recycle them into "reusable scrap". Small amounts of gold, silver, and
platinum are extracted and the remainder of the material is generally
just marketed to less wasteful countries.
5.4 I don't understand anything. Help!
Don't worry - you're not the only one. Reading this list, old magazines,
books and whatever else you can get your hands on is the first step.
Once you reach a critical mass of knowledge thigs get a lot easier.
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Haven't they made 3 1/2 to 5 1/4 rails for lo, these many years?
I have a box full of WD 103 controller cards somewhere...just not sure
where. I _do_ know where my ISA IDE cards are.
...but where are these supposed to be sent?
manney
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> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 8:51 PM
>
> Yes; but then I'd have to ship the controller cards as well. These only
> have the 5 1/2" (or whatever) drivebays; the ones that fit the XTs; etc.
I
> think that they're half-height.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>
>
> >On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, PG Manney wrote:
> >
> >> Sent where?
> >>
> >> Since those are 286's, they could be outfitted with cheapo IDE's such
as
> >> ST-157's and 125's as well...IDE paddle cards are common.
> >>
> >Actually, that is probably the smarter thing to do. Smaller drives,
less
> >shipping weight and less postage. Also newer than MFM/RLL and more
> >readily available, and about equally inexpensive.
> >
> > - don
> >
>
Greetings:
I hope this isn't too far off the goal of this list... I am hoping that
some of my friends from this great list might be able to help me out. I am
desperately looking to buy 1 or 2 IBM compatible 386 machines. The reason
is, I am looking to get a fairly low cost computer system for my brothers
who are currently freshman and sophomore in college. Yes, I know, I tried
the TRS-80, Commodore, and Apple, etc., route with them already, but my
parents are looking to get them some fairly recent computers for a
Christmas gift. I guess what they are looking for is 386/486 machines,
with at least 4-8meg ram, Windows 3.1 (yuk!), 200 meg+ hard drive, and
possible some old dot matrix printers. I of course have printers so that
isn't a priority. But, the parents are willing to pay for them, so... if
any of you have 1 or 2 old 386s setups around, PLEASE get in touch with me
ASAP, with your offering price + shipping, and I know we could work out a
deal. Software also isn't needed, as I have a $%!^ load, but I would like
to get something that is fairly already setup, complete, and ready to go.
Payment could be to in with a couple of days and would like to receive the
units ASAP. Of course, this is all sight-unseen, so I'll trust your
judgements and descriptions.
Thank you very much for your consideration on these wants. I hope you
could wade through my b.s. and figure out what I'm looking for. :-)
Thanks,
CORD
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|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
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Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still retain
the rights!
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From: Don Maslin
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:06PM
On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
> At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation has
the best
> >HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it
was
>
> For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the
remnants
> of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in the
> future...?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>
> Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
> sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
For a little more 'classic content', the "JT" in JTS is for Jugi Tandon
of oldtime floppy disk drive fame and later hard disk and PC clones.
The
hard disk rights were sold to Western Digital at the time that they
bailed out of the card making business. Small world, ain't it?
- don
donm(a)cts.com
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Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
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see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj
Perhaps needless to say, old MFM and even < 100 meg IDE drives are
throw-away items at today's computer shops. There's a mom-and-pop
computer store near here that gave me a box of old drives. They
regularly toss old 86/286/386 and even 486/33 machines. I'm in a
town of 6,000, I can't imagine what's being tossed in the big city.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
