But then where would the mac (toaster style) fit? Computer or system?
I am not sure the term computer to differenciate the box styles is adequate
since they are all basically "Computers" I guess what I'm trying to find is
a term to differenciate the packaging of computers.
Also consoles is used for video games that plugs on the TV and would cause
confusion.
System is a pretty broad designation that can describe a lost of things.
Am I getting picky or what? Maybe we need to invent some terms a la jargon
in order to differentiate the various types of packaging.
>For computers like the C-64, the TI-99/4a, Atari 800, etc. I call the CPU
>a "console". Basically, anything with an integrated CPU, keyboard and
>video output I call a console. I don't tend to think of things like the
>Apple ][ as "consoles" because they didn't use a TV as their monitor by
>default, which the above systems generally did (there goes my Apple ][
>bias again). But really, the Apple ][ fits my description of "console".
>
>The all-in-one dealies like the TRS-80 Model II/III and their ilk would
>be "computers" because they have all the basic adjuncts to define an
>entire computer in the most generic sense of the word (CPU, keyboard,
>display, storage).
>
>Piece-part systems like the IBM, I'd call "systems" because you have a
>system consisting of a CPU and peripherals, such as the keyboard, monitor,
>disk drives, perhaps a mouse...
>
>Also, things like a PDP or DG Nova would be "systems", but I think people
>prefer to refer to them as "mini's".
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
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I meant by the original posting to try to gather a list of firsts. Any definitions of first are acceptable and if they can be extended to familly of hardware, software, packaging gimmicks etc. is OK.
What I found interesting in the question is more in the order of finding out how long an idea has been out there and how many categories can be found. I see a lot of questions about defining such and such term I guess it is more fun to find out what YOU understand by the words OS, Personal computer, etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Francois Auradon <francois.auradon(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 6:18 AM
Subject: Firsts
Here's a questionthat is probably going to generate some passionate debates:
What are the firsts?
first video game
first TV video game
first personal computer (I think I know that one)
first portable computer
first laptop
first GUI
first OS
etc...
It would be interesting to compile a list of first with their date of appearance.
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At 11:13 PM 1/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>When I go back tomorrow, I'm going to try to pick up the HP IPC, Kaypro
>2000, and DG One I saw. (:
>
>
What were they wanting for the HP IPC? If you don't want it, I'll take
it off your hands. BE SURE to look around for any external HP disk drives!
Get an HP-IB cable or two if they have them but don't let them overcharge
you for them. A lot of people act like they're made of gold.
Joe
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: Firsts
Allison J Parent wrote:
>You missed calculators and there are rough catagories:
>
>First eletronic calc
>
>first pocket calc
>
>HP35 $700, the lowcost market breaker being the Bomar Brain.
>
>First programable calc
Then there is the "first solid state electronic calc" which I think goes to
the Busicom from Japan that employed the first production run of the intel
4000 chip set: the 4001 (2048 bit ROM), 4002 (320 bit RAM), 4003 (10 bit
shift register), and the 4004 (4 bit CPU). That chip set was shipped to
Busicom in March 1971 according to Michael S. Malone's "The Microprocessor:
A Biography" ISBN 0-387-94342-0 (which is not a great book: much content was
apparently largely dictated by the PR departments of a few Silicon Valley
companies and thrown together much as a newspaper article would be. It
nontheless contains some interesting photos and bibliographic references
and I think was the result of a rushed editorial deadline (why would a
publisher rush a history book?)).
><first OS
>
>This is real old likely in the late 40s early 50s and was likely a
>machine monitor system to load/save programs. Even the PDP-1 had an OS
>to timeshare multiple users. You may have to be more specific as to tthe
>type or style of OS as there are several and the appearance of each
>corosponds to emerging concepts in computing.
There are references to the operation of the IBM/Harvard Mark I (programming
loops were constructed by literally looping the input tape back on itself e.g.)
It could be argued that such an early machine was not a stored program computer
hence could not even support an OS. If however one does not limit oneself
to only software notions of OS then the "Start" button could be considered to
be an OS - implemented in hardware. I personally don't know much about the
early Sperry Rand or Manchester->Ferranti computers (first commercial computers)
since so much of the widely available literary records are dominated by IBM's
history, but certainly by the time of the IBM 705 (mid 50's) there were OSes.
Few of the early ones were time-sharing and many were not even "full-duplex".
Peter Prymmer
You missed calculators and there are rough catagories:
First eletronic calc
first pocket calc
HP35 $700, the lowcost market breaker being the Bomar Brain.
First programable calc
<first personal computer (I think I know that one)
If you mean PC (as in the IBM PC) then the answer is IBM. However if you
man pc as in personally owned computer, then you go back by maybe 10-20
years to things like old surplus missle computers, homebrewed systems and
PDP-8s and the like. Prior to the IBM abortion pc meant personally owned
and was not based on what it was but who owned it. Personally owned
computers was a new thing starting in the late 60s to early 70s. Around
72-73 it was possible to buy a used PDP-8 or CM2000 for a few thousand
dollars. I know in December of 72 I almost bought a Cincinati Millicron
CM2000 for the offered price of $2000(big bucks then) with 8k of core,
serial line card and 6port muxed serial card.
<first portable computer
Define portable as I'd seen totables in the late 70s. One very nice one
was an expanded EVK68 board in a classy wood case with a small crt and
keyboard.
One that comes to mind was the HP(5100?) complete packaged system with
tape for storage and basic and GPIB for external interface.
<first laptop
Not sure but it wasnt a dos based for sure. Tandy trs100 or the similar
NEC, Epson, and others.
<first GUI
Xerox PARC smalltalk
<first OS
This is real old likely in the late 40s early 50s and was likely a
machine monitor system to load/save programs. Even the PDP-1 had an OS
to timeshare multiple users. You may have to be more specific as to tthe
type or style of OS as there are several and the appearance of each
corosponds to emerging concepts in computing.
Allison
>I picked up an Amigo computer today from a thrift store. Now, this is
>something cool as I have never seen one before and it is an interesting
>design for its time.
>
>The CPU and CRT are in one unit. In fact, at first I thought this was
>simply a dumb terminal because normally when you had a computer with
>integrated CPU/CRT it was a lot bulkier than this one is. The motherboard
>on this is tucked right under the tube. It has a Z-80 CPU and a 6502 (I'm
>assuming the 6502 is for the video display). The keyboard is an IBM XT
>keyboard (same key layout) but it has a 1/4" phono plug that connects to
>the front of the CRT/CPU (just like the Apple Lisa keyboard). I also got
>a dual half-height disk drive unit for it and two boxes of 5.25" floppies
>with programs such as WordStar, Supercalc, etc. I got a couple CP/M
>master disks with it as well.
I have something called an Amigo, made (although the name is hard to
read) by Surwave. Mind you, it could well be a Surwave made by Amigo. :)
It also has the z80 and the 6502 on the mother board, but it is not an
all-in-one unit. Indeed, it looks a bit like the Aplle ][. I have done
what research that I could, and so far have learnt that it was a Korean
Apple ][ clone, that could run cp/m or Apple software. They were made in
the very early eighties, and were imported into Australia via a person
who still resides in Adelaide. I have tracked down some information
about him, but have yet to find the person himself. They were quite
popular here, but few survived - mine didn't, as it won't show anything
on the screen. I am considering getting it repaired, but I don't know
enough to do it myself.
Anyway, I imagine that your computer is another model by the same people
- try an Apple boot disk and see what happens. :)
If you want I can continue to try and track down the importer. I know he
stopped importing computers and went into the computer embroidery
business, which does give me something to work with, anyway. I had given
up as I had covered almost everyone I could find who had anything to do
with old Apples, but there are still a couple of loose leads. I'm sure he
would know about any other systems made by the company.
Adam.
This weekend, I decided to replace the rotting foam in my RK05 drives.
BTW, self-adhesive weather striping seems to fit well. Home Depot carries
one in white (3/8" square) that works for the disk pack air intake. There is
also a black one, 7/16" x 3/4" that works for the foam between the blower
motor and the card cage.
Anyway, I digress. When I finished replacing the foam, I made sure that
I vacuumed up any foam particles. I powered-up my 11/34a, and now neither
drive gives me an "On Cylinder" light.
AFAIR, inserting a disk pack and pressing "load" would produce a
distinctive hum, indicating that the spindle motor is starting. Now, I get
no hum. Looking inside, I don't see the spindle running. Also, for the first
time, one drive popped its circuit breaker. It's almost like both spindles
are stuck. They're not, though; I checked (While looking into the spindle
motor and spinning the disk spindle I can see the motor fan move.)
I did not disconnect any wires during this process. Any clues?
BTW, what's the little red switch on the power supply board for?
Thanks for the help, again.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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<a M9192? The list I have shows it as being a "DUAL HEIGHT CPU BRD", whic
<is "real" informative! According to the list I've got the 23's CPU's hav
<different numbers.
M8186 PDP-11/23 (KDF11A)
M8189 PDP-11/23 (KDF11B)
<
<They both have 256KW of 18-bit memory. This brings up an interesting
<question, how many bytes are there in in a Word when you're talking
<PDP-11's? Since it's 18 my guess would be 2 with parity bits.
Correct the extra are parity and it's always 2 8bit bytes to a 16bit word.
<SCD-RQD11/EC -- this one had 6 connectors for ribbon cables
I believe this is a distribution board for the RQDX1/2/3 floppy/hard disk
controllers.
<M8059-KP -- I believe it's 64k, is it for PDP?
256kb(128kw) parity memory.
<M3104 DHV11 -- It's got two ribbon connectors, by guess is it's for addi
<other terminals. I seem to have a pair.
These are terminal line controllers with silos and modem controls. Handy!
<Distributed Logic Corp. DQ342 -- no idea, two ribbon connectors
Unknown to me.
<Plessey P/N 70590-100A -- looks to be a RAM board
There were a lot of third part ram suppliers.
Allison
<> > BTW, what is a DEC Professional 350? I passed on both that and a Rai
<> > or two (they had a huge stack of Rainbows, but no monitors or keyboar
<> > sight). I really want to go back, and would tomorrow I think, but th
<> > weather is turning bad, and I'm supposed to be elsewhere :^(
The PRO350 is a member of the PDP-11 family. The processor is the F-11,
that's the same one as the 11/23 and they could carry up to 1meg of ram.
The bus physically is unique to the pro but it is similar to q-bus in
signals and timing.
As to options:
RX50 floppy
RD50/51/52 hard disks(rd51 10meg was common)
various memory options
APUs for 8088 or z80s
eithernet interface
Color graphics
Operating system was POS and was a modified version of RSX and is a
multitasking os. RT-11 was also available. Many programming languages
were available. Venix is available on the net for this box.
Speed, the PRO350 was slightly faster than the 11/23 though the disk
interfaces were slower. It did make a good workstation.
Versions, There was a PRO380 which used the J-11 (11/73 11/83) processor
which was faster and also the design carried more memory. Same box.
I have one and they are neat small machines. You need a monitor and
keyboard to make it complete.
Allison
Hello. From what I've heard, XT's practally line the streets in some
places. But, not here. :-( But, I've got most of an XT here. If anyone
has some spare parts, that they're willing to donate/sell, than that would
be great.
What I need:
a HDD, as after testing the one that came with mine on 2 machines, it
doesn't work. It sounds bad, too. Preferably, one that's a 10MB, like the
origional IBM. I don't have any SW, so it would be handy if you could just
take one out. But, if not, I can try other things.
A Controller, one that can handle Big Blue's origional 360K
A second one, that can handle the above hard drive. (May not be needed)
A video card. I need to figure out what's wrong with my XT monitor, as it
doesn't seem to be working. But, I could just use my CGA.
And, yes, I'm sure that I need all these. I've tried every part, and
none of them work. I tested my monitor on a friends CGA graphics card (but
set to mono), and the picture was CLEAR.
I'm willing to pay for these, as they'd make my first working classic.
And, I know that beggers can't be choosers.
<> >First programable calc
<>
<> Then there is the "first solid state electronic calc" which I think goe
<> the Busicom from Japan that employed the first production run of the in
<> 4000 chip set: the 4001 (2048 bit ROM), 4002 (320 bit RAM), 4003 (10 bi
No, this was not the first by a long means. I vaguely remember a desktop
HP job that was years earlier.
There were designs that were RTL and utililogic and even earlier designs
that were about the size of a desk drawer that were both totally
electronic and to some extent programable.
Allison
At 01:53 PM 1/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> Get an HP-IB cable or two if they have them but don't let them overcharge
>> you for them. A lot of people act like they're made of gold.
>
>That is because they are, at least to the test engineering world. These
>people spend large amounts for just about everything ($500 power supplies,
>$3000 signal generators, etc.), so a $20 cable is nothing to them. The
>dealers know they can get a large amount for HPIB cables, so they do.
>
>William Donzelli
>william(a)ans.net
$20 HA! Some of the dealers want $50+ plus for used ones around here.
OTOH I have been given bunches of them and there are tons of them
available. I just meant to warn him not to let them stick it to him for a
cable or let the price of the cable stand in the way of buying the HP IPC.
Joe
>
>
At 01:44 PM 1/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> >First programable calc
>>
>> Then there is the "first solid state electronic calc" which I think goes to
>> the Busicom from Japan that employed the first production run of the intel
>> 4000 chip set: the 4001 (2048 bit ROM), 4002 (320 bit RAM), 4003 (10 bit
>> shift register), and the 4004 (4 bit CPU). That chip set was shipped to
>> Busicom in March 1971 according to Michael S. Malone's "The
Microprocessor:
>> A Biography" ISBN 0-387-94342-0
>
>Wang's first (or quite near their first) product was an all electronic
>calculator, introduced in the late 1960s. They are big, but could be
>lugged around. The best part about them is the core memory! No
>microprocessors here (in fact, it may be discrete transistors - I better
>open the thing up a check).
>
>William Donzelli
>william(a)ans.net
>
HP's first calculator, the 9100a, was introduced in 1967 or 68. It had
no ICs, used core memories, and used logic gates made of diodes and
resistors. It did have transistors but they were mainly used as amplifiers
for the core memory. I guess it still qualifies as "solid state".) It was
fully proggramable and used RPN. I have a 9100B with a 1969 date code.
I believe the Japanese Busicom calculator is even older and dates from
about 1966.
Joe
>
>
OK, pardon my myriad of questions tonite, but I'm learning something
totally foriegn here. I've done some hunting, and it appears that I was
right, the pair of small PDP-11's aren't 23's their 73's. I wan't to see
if I can get them to boot, however, I'm wondering how I should connect the
terminal. Do I use a straight serial cable 9600 8-N-1, null modem cable,
or what.
I'm already getting the impression that I'm going to end up building a
cable for the VAXstation 2000. Based on what I've been able to find out on
that. Hopefully the snow tonite isn't to bad, I don't think I've got any
spare connectors laying around right now. Probably a good thing, I'd be
tempted to build the cable right now :^) Is this the correct penout for
the VS2000 console cable?
2<->3, 3<->2, 7<->7
Zane
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I got back from the Portland sale, pretty cool. Seems like most of the
people there were Hams, with some possible camara buffs. Most people
looking at the computers were interested in stuff for modern systems.
There were at least four other people there into the classics though.
I went a bit crazy, and ended up with the following:
PDP-11/44:
Rack 1: 2 RL02's and what appears to be the connections for terminals
Rack 2: CPU, dual floppies (8" I think), those funny little tape
drives
I've heard mentioned, and a Battery Backup
I'm questioning the identity of these two, it's how they were labled, but
they don't have a DEC nameplate.
PDP-11/23: 8" disk and 20Mb HD
PDP-11/23: 5.25" disk and 20Mb HD
Kaypro II: I'm hoping the floppies are in good shape, I've really been
wanting to get one of these.
VAXstation 2000
S-100 bus cards: ~6 floppy controllers, ~1 I/O controller, a lot of RAM cards
Q-Bus cards: ESDI floppy controller (YES!!!), 2 8Mb RAM cards, a whole pile
that looked interesting and I honestly don't have any idea what they are.
I think at least a couple are for a MircoPDP-11, and I'm wondering if one
isn't a CPU for the MicroPDP-11. I'll probably have questions on what some
of these are later, thankfully a couple days ago I found a pretty good
Excel Spreadsheet on the net that will hopefully help me to identify them!
A shrinkwraped copy of CP/M for the Rainbow 100, one of the manuals and
another expansion unit for the Tek workstation I picked up a couple days
ago, and maybe one or two other minor items I can't think of now.
What can I say I'm pooped, I got my Dad to go, so I could use his Suburban,
but I didn't think about how little he can lift nowdays. If it wasn't for
Jim Willing, and the guy selling the stuff helping I don't think I'd have
gotten the Rack with the 11/40 CPU in the truck. Unfortunately we couldn't
figure out how to get the CPU out of the rack :^(
I've gotten everything except the 11/40 out of his truck, that's going to
have to wait. Unfortuntaly it's starting to snow, so it's probably going
to wait until next weekend.
No idea if anything works, I'm going to start playing tonite after I get
done taking a break.
As for the place having the sale, it was incredible, piles of old
computers, tons of S-100 bus cards and computers. O-Scopes, ham junk, old
camera equipment, etc., etc., etc. Of course to my thinking the prime
stuff was was the PDP-11/44 and the VAX 11/730, with those around it was
hard to see anything else. I'd have liked to get the VAX, but in all
honesty now that I've got the /44 I think I'll stick to MicroVaxes, they're
easier to move.
I passed up a couple of Bell & Howell Apples (the black ones), they were
trashed and didn't have the floppies, I'd have loved them for my Apple
collection, but they were to far gone. I really should have picked up a
VT220 or one of the other terminals that they had. They had a lot of
Televideo stuff, but I didn't recognize what it was.
BTW, what is a DEC Professional 350? I passed on both that and a Rainbow
or two (they had a huge stack of Rainbows, but no monitors or keyboards in
sight). I really want to go back, and would tomorrow I think, but the
weather is turning bad, and I'm supposed to be elsewhere :^(
Well, that's it for now, I want to start checking stuff out!
Zane
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I was wondering if anyone knew how to install a Hayes 9600 modem into
an XT (Ogivar Tech.). There are a MASSIVE 21 megs in the hard drive,
and a 5.25 " drive. This is just a learning computer for a friend
who will buy up if this one can work. I'm on a non-graphical internet
account and the XT has a program already loaded on it to dial out,
but the modem isn't being recognized. All I've done is physically put
it into the slot ( it fits perfectly inside) and I haven't touched any
switches or the autoexec.bat at all. I have no idea it those things
are what I'd need to do anyway. Could someone help me out? Keep the
information in English, not tech-ese, I'm still learning too!
Thank you!
I picked up an Amigo computer today from a thrift store. Now, this is
something cool as I have never seen one before and it is an interesting
design for its time.
The CPU and CRT are in one unit. In fact, at first I thought this was
simply a dumb terminal because normally when you had a computer with
integrated CPU/CRT it was a lot bulkier than this one is. The motherboard
on this is tucked right under the tube. It has a Z-80 CPU and a 6502 (I'm
assuming the 6502 is for the video display). The keyboard is an IBM XT
keyboard (same key layout) but it has a 1/4" phono plug that connects to
the front of the CRT/CPU (just like the Apple Lisa keyboard). I also got
a dual half-height disk drive unit for it and two boxes of 5.25" floppies
with programs such as WordStar, Supercalc, etc. I got a couple CP/M
master disks with it as well.
It powers up and on the screen it says:
V.10 BOOT Insert system diskette in lower drive.
I can hear the drive spinning as if its trying to boot from the disk but
none of the system disks I have seem to work. Perhaps they are bad, or
the drive heads need cleaning.
What I really want to know is if anyone has ever seen or worked with one
of these, and if you've got any information on it.
Thanks!
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I went to a hamfest today and picked up two systems that "AREN'T GOING BACK
HOME". One is a Rubicon II and the other is a Tandy 6000 HD. The Rubicon
uses 2 floppy drives and I think runs CPM. The Tandy is running Xenix (sp?)
and has a 8 inch floppy drive and 15Mb hard drive. Can anyone tell me
anything about these? How rare? When they were made? If they have any
value? etc.
Joe
> a PC type can't consider until he's bloated his system to at least
> 640K (or lately, 32Mb).
96MB is what I just put into mine. Corel 7 _flies_!
...but, it's hard to unlearn habits. I still find myself deleting <1K text
files to "save space". I don't program much anymore, but if I did, I
suspect I'd still be trying to squeeze a few bytes out here and there.
With memory and HDD's so cheap, tho', and the intense pressure in the
software market, it's simply not economically feasible to shave bytes.
Also, a lot of the bloat is not only in features ("PIM outputs next year's
schedule in HTML for easy posting to the web -- now with finite element
analysis of paperclips!"), but things such as clipart, which gets stuck on
the hard drive, for convenience...even MSWorks comes with clipart, for
Pete's sake. Everything comes with 20 fonts (reminds me of an English
restaurant: everything with chips) and a tutorial.
Pete,
Have to send this on list as your address bounces.
<Have you installed the "N" diskset - networking tools? If so then it
<should be in /usr/sbin.
I'd selected it for install but for some reson setup didn't install all
the files I'd selected. I ran pkgtool and put everthing from the "n"
diskset in and it's there now.
<With regard to the packet driver for your DE-100 card it may be worth
<visiting D-Link's web site.
The PDI8023 would be better if I could use it in the dos/win3.1 box. I'll
check the web site.
Allison
OK, the question of the moment is how do I connect a console to a
VAXstation 2000? Is it the plug with arrows pointing in opposite
directions or do I need a special cable?
I'm assuming for a terminal I can just use a laptop running a comm package
that does VT100 emulation.
Zane
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At 13:29 09/01/98 -0800, Kip Crosby wrote:
>Between Christmas and New Year's I was cleaning out my mother's house and
>found a Texas Instruments TI-71, complete with its docs and warranty card.
>This is a small, line-powered digital clock. Still works fine.
>
>What interests me here is that I recall hearing an unsupported contention,
>years ago, that this was the _first_ commodity digital clock that used
>seven-segment displays instead of flippers. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Yes, more or less the "nostalgic taste" is more or less the same with all
the '70 's innovations.
I recall my first electronic watch: it was one of those black TI with red
plastic display.
Because of it's strong energy consumption, I had to replace the cells every
year.
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I saw a Boox by Tom somebody (sorry, forgot last name) on
Vax-11 programming and assembly language at Barnes&Noble for $6.
Its a big hard cover book.
It was in the discount stack, if anyone is interested I'd get it
and ship it at cost. You might want to check your local B&N and
see if they can order it at that cost too.
Michael Fulbright
msf(a)redhat.com
Peter the folloing messages may be of interest to you.
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<553 lyndale-486.-. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
<554 <pjoules(a)lyndale-486.->... Local configuration error
The rest of the crowd may be interested in this.
<Is your DOS box pure DOS or do you use Windows?
<Do you use any networking software with DOS?
Currently no networking with windows and it's windows 3.1. I call it dos
box as unlike Win95 win3.x is layered on dos.
I do however run trumpet(winsock), FreeAgent, winftp and Netscape3+ via
modem to the ISP.
<If you use windows 3.x then you will need to have a packet driver
<installed via autoexec.bat for your network card and then just install
<Trumpet Winsock and configure that.
Then I need a packet driver for either purdata PDI8023plus-16 or DECPCA
(DE100) card as that what I have.
However if I do that how do I run trumpet for the modem and the NI?
Allison
