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by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:07 PM 1/14/98 -0800, you wrote: >>We do not keep them! We throw them out as soon as they come in! There is no >>market for that kind of stuff. Just tell them to call you; you'll guarantee them $5 (or whatever) per computer they were going to through out. You'll get some dogs, but you may get some gems too. There's a thrift shop near my house that has a list of stuff people are looking for; I'm on it for old computers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

What I did this weekend

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:56 PM 1/14/98 EST, you wrote: >if this happens, count me in. there's plenty of radio rallies coming up in nc >in the spring. > > Actually I was thinking of starting a collector buying ring: Everybody going > to a hamfest or thing like that let the other ones know and take orders. Count me in too... I dunno how many hamfests I'll make it to, but I can look at thrift shops and such. (Of course, I don't have much luck compared to a lot of youse guys!) As for me, I'm into portable stuff... Anything, say $20 or less I'll definitely take it off your hands (or at least send you the $20). More than that, maybe ask first, unless it's really cool... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

Software archeology

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:16 AM 1/15/98, you wrote: >lot of software packages that I've asked around for for quite some time and >cannot turn a copy up to beat the band. (For purchase, archiving or otherwise) If anyone ever comes across the terminal emulator for the ST that had HP terminal emulation, *please* let me know... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

Amstrads (PPC640) in the US

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:16 PM 1/14/98 -0600, you wrote: > >>>How much did it go for? Just curious. >> >>$100 >> >>if I were a rich man... > >Funny I paid 100FF for mine (that's about $18) I got mine for $10, but no PS, or case, and a rust stain near the battery case. If you find another one for 100FF, I've got francs... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

Uncles/PC-C64c file transfers

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 08:13 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >>"Bob's your uncle" is an expression indicating the completion of a >>simple task. Or something. > >I always thought it meant something like "and all is right in the world." >Of course, Bob really is my uncle... 8^) Uhhh, I'll be a monkey's uncle! :P (The following used to keep that comment on topic) Okay, so I have a C-64c, 1541 floppy, and monitor. Now how exactly would I go about downloading programs from the internet on my PC machine and porting them over to the Commodore? Will I need a special serial cable? I have the 64 boxed up at the moment so can't really tell what I need. While we're talking commodores, what's so special about the C-64c besides the C-128 style case? -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

Uncles/PC-C64c file transfers

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:10 PM 1/15/98 -0800, you wrote: >That was the cheap, but hard way. Now for the easy, but expensive way. >Lay out about $100 and get a Catweasel board either for your PC or better Where's that webpage again? That sounds interesting, even if I don't get one. >>While we're talking commodores, what's so special about the C-64c besides >>the C-128 style case? > >Based on the answers I got a week or two ago, apparently nothing. Ah, progress! Sometimes I wonder what drives computer companies to waste resources like that. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

What I did this weekend

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Does this happen to anyone else? I don't usually frequent the 5 or 6 thrift shops around here, and flea markets and yard sales I don't have time for usually, but sometimes when I'm going somewhere else, I have this "feeling", a sixth sense if you will, that I absolutely have to stop at these places. When I do, I usually find really rare or super deals on old computers, the ones I used to collect anyway, before the GriD bug got ahold of me. I live in a city of 25,000 people, and I believe I'm the only person that owns any sort of GRiD laptop. Any GRiDs I get are usually through deals on the internet. I call this sixth sense my "metal telepathy". (Doh!) At 09:17 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >I do that too stop at garage sales and couple stores on my way from work. I >guess it was mostly meant for major events. For 'casual' shopping we >probably can E-talk before making a move (the machine is probably not going >to disapear overnight). -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

What I did this weekend

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Tat goes without saying: placing a machine in a want list is also an engagement to purchase it. Otherwise the system would not work for too long. There should be an update prior to each outing to make sure that the machines are still wanted. let's say I'm going to a hamfest next WE, I post the info on that mailing list (for the ones that want to be part of the ring), then I get requests and bring the list of wanted with me. If i find one of the machines I buy it and let the party interested know about it. If I get an I don't want it anymore response I don't thinl I'll be looking for more of the guy's stuff. And I'll make sure that everybody knows about it. > Another problem is knowing if they still want the item. If you tell me >that you want an X-computer and I buy one for you 2 months later I don't >want to hear that you've changed your mind or that you've already found >one. > > If anyone isn't going to take the stuff that they said they wanted then >don't post a message saying that you want it. If you post a "wanted" >message then you're obligated to take it when someone gets it for you. > > Joe >

28 years, 3 months

Score/1

by william＠ans.net

The day started out with no suprises. I arrived at the MCI building intending to finish up an installation. Walking down the halls, I peeked in some of the rooms, packed with all manner of telco equipment. It is 10 AM, and I start working. By noon my work is done. I walked down the stairs, looking for the MCI contact I deal with, and am confronted by a rather beat up looking IBM Series/1 minicomputer, left in the hallway. It is fairly stripped out - all of the processor boards have been removed, many cables have been cut, and some of the front panels of the 6 foot rack are gone. It seems that this beast is headed for the recyclers. I have wanted a Series/1 for some time, and I had been eyeing a few at the Chicago site. Unfortunately, I do not have a way to move the thing. That shot down my idea of grabbing it. Anyway, just down the hallway is the room that had quite a large number of Series/1 racks. They were part of some project that is still running in some parts of the country. I looked around and saw that most of the racks have been raped. Then, one of the racks starts rolling towards me. Behind it is a man, pushing it along. I asked about the fate of the boxes, and he replies that they are indeed scrap, and that he is the scrapper. I told him that I collect computers, and that I have wanted a Series/1 for a while. His expression immediately changed to that of pleasant suprise. He replies that he collects chips. We reached common ground quickly, swapping stories about some of the old beasts. Although he is not very old, it seems that we has seen and scrapped just about every type of big iron ever produced. He then motions me over to a few racks off to the side. They had not yet been raped! For 25 dollars each, I could have them, as they were no longer MCI property. Hmmmmm... I made a quick call to my storage locker company, as they rent vans. The quote is quite reasonable, but they are 25 miles away. Time is very short, as I have a plane to catch in the morning. I decided to go for it - for 100 dollars, I could have two big Series/1 machines to play with, shipping included. By 1:30 PM, it is quite clear that I needed to find a local rental companies. A few stops later, I parked my car and drove off in a big van. Now the fun started. It dawned on me that my storage locker may close up after 6 PM, so I switched into hyper mode. I picked out the two best machines, then started to remove the disk drives, two each at 64 meg, and two each at 200 meg. The things are very heavy, but proved to lighten up the racks remarkably. I then decided to take only one whole rack, and all the bits of another rack for spares. By 4:30 PM, the stuff is all loaded in the van. Now I had to race to the storage locker. By 5:45 PM I arrived at the locker. The place was still open, but time is short. By the time everything is unloaded, the place was closing up. It was 6:50 PM. Greatly relieved, I headed back to retrieve my car. By 8 PM I am finally done, still amazed at what had just happened. And all of this without a plan. William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

28 years, 3 months

metal telepathy/Great White Trader

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:30 PM 1/15/98 EST, you wrote: > >ive had that happen meself. thanks to it, i got two undisk drives and colour >composite monitor that way for my //e. in another instance, i found a platinum >//e with matching unidisk and colour monitor at a separate place as well as >stopping by a place i went once before and got my atari portfolio. Anyone remember that story about the mouse that wanted some cheese, and he had to go make all these other deals with the other animals, finding the dog a bone, etc, until he finally got the cheese? While flea market hopping one day about two years back, I came across a TRS-80 model 100 in mint condition, included hard plastic carrying case, data recorder, acoustic couplers, and manual. I paid $25 for the whole rig. Kept it until a few months ago, when I saw a message on a newsgroup somewhere. This guy wanted to trade an Atari Portfolio for an M100. I traded him the M100 itself, none of the accessories for it (Since I had an NEC PC8201a too I could use the other stuff with) for the Portfolio, with the serial and parallel modules, manual, 3 memory cards, the works. Then, about a month later, I found another collector that was having a big moving sale. I traded the portfolio for a Zenith 386sx laptop, which I then ended up selling for $176. But I swear if I kept doing the trading loop thing, before too long I would have ended up with a active matrix pentium laptop somewhere down the line, maybe even a car. :) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

Upcoming PBS special on bit rot

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: Upcoming PBS special on bit rot I wrote: >I saw an advert in the latest issue of Scientific American for >an upcoming special about archiving digital data to appear on >PBS. It is supposed to show on the 13th (tomorrow) and alas OK I have the magazine: there is a Review (not an advert) on page 110 of the Jan 1998 issue of Sci. Am. The television program will be: "Into the Future: On the Preservation of Knowledge in the Electronic Age" A film by Terry Sanders, narrated by Robert MacNeil; American Film Foundation, 1997; Airing January 13 on PBS. I do not know much about the "American Film Foundation" but MacNeil is a PBS regular and PBS quite often offers transcipts and tapes for sale at the end of many (but not all) of their broadcasts. While I have several CRTs for use as monitors I do not own a television tuner or a VCR. (I also note that the schedule posted at http://www.kqed.org/ implies that the main Bay Area PBS broadcaster will not be showing Into the Future.) Could folks who do manage to see it please post a message regarding whether there is an address to which one could write to obtain transcripts/tapes? Thanks. Peter Prymmer

28 years, 3 months

Amstrads in the US

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Well you show me what you have and I'll show you what I can find:) Seriously I would very much like to find an Oric1 and an Atmos, I remember drooling over the Electronique Pratique magazines when I was living in France. There are also a few more that I have not seen around here but it may well be like the amstrads who apparently made to Florida and not to Minnesota (they must pretty smart machines;) I have absolutely no clue as to what shipping from France to the US can cost (the las shipping I did over the ocean was in 1989 when I moved to the US) >I live in France ;-) but it IS my hobby TOO so how do we split the >spoils? > >-- > Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> > Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> >_-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_ >

28 years, 3 months

What I did this weekend

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

ive had that happen meself. thanks to it, i got two undisk drives and colour composite monitor that way for my //e. in another instance, i found a platinum //e with matching unidisk and colour monitor at a separate place as well as stopping by a place i went once before and got my atari portfolio. david << Does this happen to anyone else? I don't usually frequent the 5 or 6 thrift shops around here, and flea markets and yard sales I don't have time for usually, but sometimes when I'm going somewhere else, I have this "feeling", a sixth sense if you will, that I absolutely have to stop at these places. When I do, I usually find really rare or super deals on old computers, the ones I used to collect anyway, before the GriD bug got ahold of me. I live in a city of 25,000 people, and I believe I'm the only person that owns any sort of GRiD laptop. Any GRiDs I get are usually through deals on the internet. >>

28 years, 3 months

What I did this weekend

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

>At 11:48 AM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Tat goes without saying: placing a machine in a want list is also an >>engagement to purchase it. Otherwise the system would not work for too long. >>There should be an update prior to each outing to make sure that the >>machines are still wanted. > > That's not practical for me. I went looking (and found :-) last >Saturday, yesterday (found more) and I will go again today ( I know where >there's a keyboard that I need) and again next Thursday (big NASA auction) >for certain. I look a lot, that's why I find a lot. One of the FEW >advantages of living in a big city. > > Joe I do that too stop at garage sales and couple stores on my way from work. I guess it was mostly meant for major events. For 'casual' shopping we probably can E-talk before making a move (the machine is probably not going to disapear overnight). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Auradon. Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

28 years, 3 months

Uncles/PC-C64c file transfers

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:02 PM 1/15/98, you wrote: >Then you just need to find the program that allows the IBM to read/write >Commie progs / files to the drive; which I know is out there somewhere. >(No, I don't watch the X files... ;-) Or maybe there's a program that'll let me read/write commodore disks in a PC 5.25" drive. Anyone? Anyone? >I do have somewhere the circuit that allows you to hook up an Atari drive, >which used a similar arrangement. I never got into building circuits and such. I'm cursed with big, fumbling hands. Some people say I can draw pretty good (http://limbo.netpath.net/art/), I can type, I can mouse, but please, whatever you do, do not put a soldering iron in my hand! If the circuit is the only way to go, I think I'll pass. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

Amstrads in the US

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Thank you for the info. Now I just need to bug one of the EE's at work and I'm up and running. >AFAIK, no computer (at least no micro or mini) ever used the mains >_frequency_ for anything more than a real time clock interrupt and >running the fans. > snip... >Ditto monitors. Every monitor I've ever looked inside (or read the >service manual for) has used the mains to produce DC rails only. I've got >a lot of 60Hz video monitors here (UK, 50Hz mains) with no problems. > >-tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Auradon. Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

28 years, 3 months

Amstrad 6400 DD

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Could you provide more info on th model, I am not familiar with it. Is it on of the PeeCee compatible type? -----Original Message----- From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.nwohio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 5:46 PM Subject: Amstrad 6400 DD >Anyone want one? A local charity that I service has one, and would probably >get rid of it. > >manney(a)nwohio.com > >

28 years, 3 months

Firsts

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 08:12 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >I think the intended meaning was "production/general purpose" (so as to >eliminate computers created specifically and solely for the shuttle.) The GRiDs were made in production runs, but under govt. contracts. They weren't made specifically for the shuttle or NASA, at least the Compass wasn't. >And of course, I'm on the train to work and my Haddock book is at home... >What year was the compass? Compass 1100 1982 (Says it on the case as mfg. date) GRiDCASE 3 1985 GRiDCASE 1535exp 1989 (At least that's what the BIOS says) I threw the other two in just so I could remind myself to come up with a timeline for the GRiD page. I'd like to find the original pricing on these suckers. Anyone know where to look? -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

Power Supply Info

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 08:13 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >But while I'm at it, if you are recording info about your classics, >especially those that use wall-warts, do take note of the info for >posterity's sake, as many show up sans original PS. (Especially voltage and >connector polarity!) Thanks! Dang, I knew I was forgetting something on that GRiDSPeC page. Connector polarity. Well, probably alot more I'm missing too from someone else's standpoint, but hey, I ain't getting paid for this project! :) Shameless Plug: And for those of you who haven't seen the GRiDSPeC page, it's at: http://limbo.netpath.net/hw/GRiD -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

Power Supply Info

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:45 PM 1/14/98 -0600, you wrote: >Gridpad 1910 power supply: Whups! Sorry folks. Netscape died as I was sending John some GRiD info for his web page, so I went to use Eudora, and missent it. But while I'm at it, if you are recording info about your classics, especially those that use wall-warts, do take note of the info for posterity's sake, as many show up sans original PS. (Especially voltage and connector polarity!) Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

Upcoming PBS special on bit rot

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:56 AM 1/14/98 -0800, you wrote: >story of the program. I'm just a natural born archivist (ie. pack-rat) >which is why I never could get myself to delete old copies of source. I >guess I really have a high opinion of myself because I don't think I have >ever deleted any of my own work. Hmmm... I save old versions because most of the time the new version doesn't work. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

Amstrads in the US

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:50 PM 1/14/98 GMT, you wrote: >> And Bob's your uncle.? What does that mean? I thought Roger was our >>uncle? Aw well, never mind. > >Oops! Sorry. I forgot most of you don't speak English ;-) > >"Bob's your uncle" is an expression indicating the completion of a >simple task. Or something. I always thought it meant something like "and all is right in the world." Of course, Bob really is my uncle... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

Firsts

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:37 AM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >>If you're talking commercial laptop, I believe it was the Radio Shack Model >>100. It was one of only two commercial laptops ever certified for Space >That's where it gets a little sticky. GRiD Systems started out only making >their laptops for the government, so it wasn't exactly commercial back I think the intended meaning was "production/general purpose" (so as to eliminate computers created specifically and solely for the shuttle.) >GRiD or the other as it's brains. I do know that the Compass 1100 does >predate the m100 by a few years though. And of course, I'm on the train to work and my Haddock book is at home... What year was the compass? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 3 months

Etymologies...

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:03 PM 1/15/98 +0000, you wrote: >There is no such thing as a DB15 (or a DB9 for that matter). The 'D' >means a D-sub connector (named after the shape?) and the 'B' is the shell >size. For reference, the common sizes are : They may not exist, but there are plenty of monitor and video card manual writers who keep this mythological etymological animal alive. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

Anyone interested in old Macs, Wyse or Leading Edge PCs?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, Went on another scrounging trip today. I found a bunch of old PCs, mostly Wyse and Leading Edge systems. Most of the appear to be 286s or 386s. They're going to be scrapped VERY soon, possibly tomorrow. Is anyone interested in them? I can get them cheap but I have to buy the entire pallet load. I will if there's enough interest in them, otherwise they're history. Oh and there's some Macs in there too. I saw a yellow and a white MacPlus 1 Meg. I think there may be others. I don't know anything about Macs so I'm not much help there. Joe

28 years, 3 months

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