i havent had any problems finding either a 5140 or 5155. i have two portable
pcs and one convertible which i traded a nic for. i have seen 5155s at several
hamfests, and even saw two at a hock shop for $150 each <!> I have a book that
says the 5155 was "rare" but i disagree. i'd much rather love to find a
complete 3270pc or a xt370 or even an at370.
david
In a message dated 98-01-24 20:06:45 EST, somebody got back to topic and
wrote:
<< I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems
to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a
perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far).
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com >>
I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe
its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor,
512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the
Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool.
QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced?
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I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it
accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information
that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may
have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow
connection with a centronics cable.
--Thank You--
whunt
I didn't even know you could run a monitor on 12v. Learn somethin
new...
Is that the same on NeXT Monitors with a similar setup? Do you know?
-Mike
jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca wrote:
>
> > I paid the same for my Portable as my 3270pc (complete w/monitor) --
> > 15.00
> >
> > Don't feel bad. I recently pulled down a good little Compaq Portable
> > III lunchbox w/286 & 287 for 6 bucks...
> >
> > Utah sucks, except for its thrift store computer shopping....
> >
> > I watched 2 rainbow 100s and a decmate II sit for months. I would have
> > bought the decmate, but there seemed a small short in the power from the
> > cpu to the monitor. As it is one of those integrated power cords, I
> > figured I'd probably electrocute myself dickin with it.
>
> Via 15pin D-shell connectors?
> The monitor gets the 12v juice from the pc as you suspected. That
> will not bite you! :)
>
> Jason D.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > SUPRDAVE wrote:
> > >
> > > i havent had any problems finding either a 5140 or 5155. i have two portable
> > > pcs and one convertible which i traded a nic for. i have seen 5155s at several
> > > hamfests, and even saw two at a hock shop for $150 each <!> I have a book that
> > > says the 5155 was "rare" but i disagree. i'd much rather love to find a
> > > complete 3270pc or a xt370 or even an at370.
> > >
> > > david
> > >
> > > In a message dated 98-01-24 20:06:45 EST, somebody got back to topic and
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > << I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems
> > > to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a
> > > perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far).
> > >
> > > Cliff Gregory
> > > cgregory(a)lrbcg.com >>
> >
> >
> email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca
> Pero, Jason D.
a friend and i lurk a local forsale newsgroup, and we picked up a bunch of b+w
mac goodies. we got:
3 page monitors, not tested. two use a db9 connector and the other uses a
db15. two are radius, one is an off brand. i've no way of testing these.
platinum plus with 4 meg works good. i noticed the system board on this mac
has 4 sockets with metal locking tabs, instead of the plastic ones which break
way too easy. this must be a later model board that my original platinum plus
i have.
mac 512k model. boots ok, but when accessing a disk with the noisy floppy
drive, the screen narrows and gets a sad mac with f0064 or similar. sounds
like a dodgy power supply for which i have a spare.
mac se shell in excellent shape. i might swap my beat up se into this better
shell.
two mac 512k machines with something interesting called a hyperdrive. it's a
daughterboard that runs a mfm drive crammed in behind the tube. one 512k is
missing the drives, the other is complete. the drive is partitioned into 3
partitions. clever idea.
also got some 400k floppy drives and an apple personal modem which plugs into
the wall and is the platinum colour. model a9m0334. 300, 1200 or 2400 bps?
david
>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems
>to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a
>perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far).
>
I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140?
;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Wirehead Prime typed:
> Max Eskin wrote:
>> If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though
>> I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms)
[snip]
Uh... right. :-(
How can you be so firmly against drugs, etc... and condone their use?
That's highly illogical.
[snip]
> re: cool - vs. - uncool
I agree totally.
>As for my wife, she's beautiful and would never have married me if I'd
>been into drugs. She married me because I'm sweet, stable and
>loving...which is something you don't become by using drugs. Granted,
>there are alot of "computer divorces" but I've cultivated a sense of
>priorities that prevents that.
Same with my wife, except: I *won* her heart in part due to my computers
(which _really_ helps my argument for the full basement... ;-) and because
I could provide a stable home life, etc. Let's take a vote:
My dad is a trucker. He works very hard, was a good provider. Never home
tho. Damn near got divorced. My dad's middle brother - trucker. Never home.
Divorced. (Remarried the same woman, but...) My dad's youngest brother - an
engineer on the Great Lakes ships. 1000 foot freighters don't dock on your
driveway. Thankfully, no plans for splitsville yet, but he never sees his
1-1/2 year old girl, either. My brother - a weldor. (uh, yea - that
spelling *is* correct. ;-) The "welder" is just the juicebox.) He works for
a company that paints watertowers - very dangerous work. Also, how many
watertowers do you have in your town that *need* repair? Marital Status:
Divorced.
All of these people said I was foolish for "playing with those stupid toys"
instead of learning to "work like a man." Yes, I may spend more time in my
basement than all of the above combined, but my family is just upstairs
where I can see them -- or they can come down to see me. I come home every
evening (except for overtime or poker night) and of all mentioned, I have
the happiest home existance. Now how's the geek?
>Anyway, I'm going to get back on topic now...
As shall I - and the whole reason for this e-mail:
A reminder that 18/19 April 1998 there will be a CoCoFest in Elgin Illinois
(NW of Chicago). (I believe it's the 8th annual "Last" CoCoFest ;-)
Everyone with (or who likes) a CoCo come on out of the basement, bring your
CoCos with you, and head on over for a weekend of fresh air (unless it's a
southeast wind... <g>) and socialization with both carbon and silicon-based
life forms! Want more info? Email me at the address below.
Yea, yea, yea... I'll shut up now!
Keep workin' on those Facial Tans! (Who needs MPR-2, anyway? ;-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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> So, that's could settle your doubts.
I didn't have any doubts -- I just wanted it. How much ya want for it? (if
you'll send me yer e-mail addr, we can negotiate in private.)
> What's up with your cataloging your pile of motherboards going so
> far?
Ick. No time
manney(a)nwohio.com
Today a lady in SE Oklahoma called me, and says she just picked up quite
a few things at a local vo-tech auction. I will pass this information
onto you folks, as I'm waiting to find out some shipping charges from
you.
Her name is ShirleyShliger and her home phone # is 405-286- 2965. Her
e-mail address is shirley(a)redriver.com.
Included in the list of things she picked up are:
1) 9 TRS-80s - 3 or 4 each of Model 3 and Model 4 units.
2) 1 TRS-80 Model 1 keyboard only.
3) Some type of Commodore suitcase portable????
4) IBM DisplayWriter's with 8 inch drives.
5) IBM PC, Jr (2) with monitor and keyboard
9) Radio Shack DMP 100-110 printers
10) Several IBM .... printers.
11) Bell & Howell Apple. Black case...!
12) Sounds like much more.
Let's go rescue this stuff.
Good luck,
CORD COSLOR
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I think I have a couple if you still need 'em.
manney(a)nwohio.com
> Also got a VT220 without a keyboard. Does anyone have a working keyboard
> they're willing to get rid of for the cost of shipping?
>This, I'm stumped by. Is it supposed to be BinHex?
Sorry about that. For some reason this was MIME'd.
Try this address at Apple to look up info:
http://til.info.apple.com/
-- Kirk
>If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though
>I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) than not
>do drugs and sit for years in the basement without seeing the light
>of day. It seems to me that since we all die anyway, might as well
>enjoy. I am not brave enough to take that approach, so I sit at my
>computer all day (when I am not at school-I am in 9th grade).
Drugs suck... They are screaming their heads off trying to legalize
marijuana when they should be getting rid of tobacco... My dad ended up in
the hospital getting a quadruple bypass surgery, the only reason it wasn't
worse than that is that he had stopped smoking about a year before that
when he had a heart attack. Although eating fast food most of the time
probably didn't help...
I LIKE sitting in a basement all day... I wake up around noon, go check my
email, grab something to eat, go try to figure out where I put that repair
manual for whichever computer is broken today, eat a snack, try to find
parts to repair the broken computer, eat lunch, try to fix the computer and
break it again, surf the web for a couple of hours trying to find someting
about my broken computer, eat dinner, go to sleep at 3am... OK, so I'm not
quite THAT far gone, but you get the idea. I also volunteer at the local
science museum once a week in the computer lab(30-odd computers and a
sleeping System/34 in the corner), and I might even start working on the
submarine parked outside... So I'm not in the basement all day. In the
summer I ride around the neighborhood on my bike for a while, although it
gets pretty boring. I think it's better to spend the summer in a nice cool
basement and only go outside in the morning when it's cooler, or maybe just
in the spring and fall. And then spend half the winter inside sitting in
front of a nice big fire. And the only reason I get away with this isthat
I'm home schooled... Been doing that for a while, but the first year was
the worst. The entire year my mom sat there torturing me with
multiplication tables... I hated it, but it worked. Right now I'm refusing
to go near anything that hasto do with algebra(keep getting stuck on a few
things), but all the stuff that interests me(quantum whatchamacallits,
trig, and all that other fancy stuff) you need to get past algebra first...
And that's where I've been stuck for the past two or three years. I HATE
ALGEBRA!!! And learning morse code so I can get a ham radio license is the
perfect excuse to stay away from it... :-) Well, I can't stay in the
basement much longer, I need to go get supplies to keep my computers
running! Well, I guess I'd better go get a job so I can buy the stuff
before my computers completely fall apart.
Anyone sick of reading my email yet? I am... I don't think we could get
much more off topic than this.
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
In a message dated 98-01-24 13:41:02 EST, somebody rambled on and on about:
<< > If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs... >>
::major snippage!::
hmm, i thought we discussed collecting old computers.... can we get back on
the PROPER topic?
From: Cord Coslor <archive(a)navix.net>
To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Some classic finds!
Message-ID: <34C915B4.68900862(a)navix.net>
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I just tried her e-mail address, and it doesn't seem to be correct. That
is
what she told me, though. Anyway, the phone # is correct. I will try to
post
the correct e-mail address for her soon!.
CORD
Cord Coslor wrote:
> Today a lady in SE Oklahoma called me, and says she just picked up quite
> a few things at a local vo-tech auction.
[snip]
> 3) Some type of Commodore suitcase portable????
That is a Commodore SX 64, a portable (read 'luggable') 64 with
built-in 5" color monitor and 1541 disk drive. Quite a handy unit....
:)
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From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: Mac development
> I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
> like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
> Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
> I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
> IDE?
Well there ia also a great BASIC for the Mac, Future BASIC, by Staz
Software, It can run under system 6 with 1 meg of RAM and has the
runtime modules to make such things as applications, cdevs, inits, etc.
Supports probably all the system functions in Inside Macintosh...
(lists most of em too). Good documentation (large manuals), help on the
internet, and can make good commercial quality stuff... It is still
hell though, alot of memory management, but it is for a good reason.
New, it is about $200.00, but worth it if you want to do some serious
programming.
Back then (SE times) it was probably Think C, which I belive is now
owned by Symantec..
Larry Anderson
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At 10:45 AM 1/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> Ahh, that sucks! My parents have control of my money again, so I'd
never get away with spending
>> $50 on old computers... (They're trying to discourage me from playing with
>> computers, and being about as subtle as a jackhammer...)
>
>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now
>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me
>to stop playing with computers because my dad thought they were a FAD
>(hahahahahahahahahahaa) and my mom thought it was unhealthy for me to
>hide in the basement all the time like some brain-damaged monster.
My mom once told me that computers were a tool of the devil.
>Tell your parents that today I have a college degree, have been out on my
>own working productively since I was 20 (with VERY little external
>support), earn twice the median income in my state, started a successful
I dropped out of college -- I was too busy working to finish. (Actually,
I'm only 1 beginning Cobol class away from a 2-year degree.) I've been an
independant consultant for not quite 8 years; I went indy when I was 24.
About 5 years ago, I bought my parents house (long story; they'd been
"renting" for 20-odd years) so they wouldn't lose it. My mom passed away 2
years ago (last Saturday 8^( ) and I moved back home shortly thereafter to
care for my dad.
I spent about 3 years driving them to work and home when my dad was no
longer able to take pubtrans; I was able to do that because my clients
didn't mind when I worked, so long as I worked for them. Now I'm working
>from home 3 days a week so I can be with my dad more.
Meanwhile, my older brother (who my folks put through UC Berkeley (BS -
Economic Geography) and Golden Gate University (MBA)) once shouted in the
middle of a crowded plaza that he wanted nothing to do with my father (and
didn't want him attending his concert) because he *smelled bad*. With my
dad standing right there.
My younger brother (who my folks put through SF State (BA - Speech
Communications)) can't be bothered to visit or call his dad -- he's too
busy hanging out with friends and going to church. Last time he visited,
he stole my CB.
The elder of my two sisters, (UC Berkeley, Math, flunked out) is happy
being a secretary and, again, isn't interested enough to call or visit.
(My younger sister, (Johnson & Wales, Equine Business), lives at home too,
and helps out an amazing amount. She's single, btw.)
So, the moral is, your parents should either encourage you to be a computer
nerd, or a horse nut.
>My parents realize their mistake now...my father tearfully gave me his
>gold retirement watch, which I accepted reluctantly, to show how proud
>he is of me. My parents are happy with me and I'm happy with myself all
>thanks to my tinkering all those years in the basement.
My mom, too, came to realize that me and my computers were a good thing (in
spite of the fact that not all those "computer club meetings" involved more
than one person of each sex...).
Let me just add that I don't hire "micro-weenies". That is, if a person
doesn't understand that Pentium II *isn't* called that because the Pentium
was the first computer, I'm not interested in working with them. There are
tons of jobs out there right now for CoBOL programmers (btw, if you want a
job as a CoBOL programmer, you better darn well know who Grace Hopper
was!). And solid programming, database, and operations skills will *never*
go out of style, and they're a lot easier to pick up in the older/bigger
computer world.
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My point was that people are not around to work at computers, which
is a pretty useless activity in the scheme of things. What is really
disturbing to me is that there are people, some my age, who would turn
down a chance to interact with a person, versus a computer. AND they
use Windows 95 or MacOS! The internet may become a problem
psychologically
soon. But this is all way off subject, so I have two questions:
a)What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a clone?
b)I heard that there was an 8088-based machine called an apricot, that
had a GUI, voice recognition,etc.(according to the Machine Room). Is
it what I think it is, or was it a piece of junk? Either way, how much
would the portable go for?
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Max,
I live near a consignment hardware/software store that usually has all of the things you're looking for at very reasonable prices. I've seen the Inside Mac series there for $15-$25. On occasion they have the Apple C development environment but they always have older copies of Think C (V4.0 thru V6.0) for about $15. They are willing to accept credit card phone orders and will ship to you. You can view their web site at:
http://www.intex.net/software-etc/
If you are looking for something you don't see listed on the web site I'd suggest you give them a call as the web site only seems to list a small portion of what they have.
Regards,
Bob
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From: Max Eskin[SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:43 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Mac development
I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
IDE?
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At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now
>>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me
>Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I can
>remember them all, my web site is a partial listing.
One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum of
Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble. You
don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and they
don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't actively
collecting anything in high school.)
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>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
>like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
>Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
>I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
>IDE?
My favorite is the now discontinued Think Pascal. You should be able to find
it used for under $100. Apple used to sell a compilation of tools called
'Macintosh Programmer's Workshop', but from what i understand it was never
that impressive. If you're just want to play around Chipmunk BASIC can be had
as freeware.
I saw the complete set of Inside Macintosh on CD-ROM at Border's Bookstore
for $99. I recall hearing you can download individual chapters from the books
via Apple's web site, but I can't confirm that.
Sincerely,
Tom Owad
I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
IDE?
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>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
>like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
>Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
>I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
>IDE?
As far as I know, Inside Macintosh just keeps expanding, adding new books
as new stuff comes along. For a Mac SE, just don't get the later books.
Check around at used book stores. IM is also available on CD-ROM. As for
what to use, try to dig up old software, there's Lightspeed Pascal(aka
THINK Pascal), Microsoft Basic, I think Microsoft also had something for C
on the older Macs. If you just want to go D/L something of the net, there
are a lot of shareware/freeware programs out there that run on older Macs.
You just have to look a little harder... As for Apple, I know they had
something, I just don't remember what it was.
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
