i thought the command was something like LIST D1:filespec but its been so
long. my 1050 drive manual doesnt have much info on it. to get dos help, the
manual says to press H at the dos menu. this will bring up a help menu. press
h and return to bring up screens of info.
In a message dated 98-01-25 21:07:05 EST, you write:
<< And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS
directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I
have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without
the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how
'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS
that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. >>
A reminder to any PDP/Plessey collectors among us that I will have
several pieces of Plessey 'PDP-clone' items at the monthly TRW
Amateur Radio Swap Meet this coming Sat the 31st. I have a Plessey
MicroII complete except for software... it boots into ODT '*', also
a twin 8" drive for it.. a Kennedy 5xxx drive with see-thru cover..
needs an interface, and various other items of interest to the
classic mini collector. I am trying to thin my collection and keep
to 'true-blue' DEC stuff. Bad pun. Sorry....
ANYWAY... e-mail for info/directions/chat/whatever: delivery is
available for the right bribe.
I am looking for:
An interface/formatter to connect a Kennedy 9300 9trk to an 11/34a
A/D and/or D/A cards for the MINC-11
70's vintage D/A boxes for the PDP-11
If you are local or visiting, TRW is a great place to score micros
and the occasional mini. Last time, an IBM Sys/34 complete went for
$20.. software and terminals and docs. The guy 'inherited' it and
just wanted it off the back of his little truck. Had not another
indivdual (who had been an IBM field tech) bought it... it would be
here. In what's left of the garage space. This is just an example
of what turns up there.
TRW plant in El Segundo, 7:30am to 11:30am e-mail me for space
numbers and more.
Cheers to all
John
> I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not
> the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks
> and even an unused cleaning kit for it.
They're SCSI. Old enough that I don't know whether they'll work with
anything; I've hooked up a 44MB Bernoulli to a Linux box and it works
(I just have to have it powered off when I turn the machine on because
the SCSI ROM BIOS doesn't like it), but I've not fiddled with my 10MB
units yet.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
I recently acquired an Interact Model One computer. It's a relatively
small unit with calculator-style keys and a built in cassette deck for
data storage. Inside, there is an 8080 CPU and 16 Kbytes of RAM. The
latest date codes on the components place its manufacture in early 1978.
Video output is color NTSC, and there is a built-in RF modulator for
driving a television. The rather large pixels yield a 16 x 12 text
display. The ROM seems to contain only enough code to start the process
of loading programs from tape. Fortunately, I picked up two different
BASIC variants (EDU-BASIC, which is a usable "tiny" BASIC, and Level II
Microsoft BASIC.), as well as about a dozen games on tape.
The 20-year old cassette tapes I obtained with this machine are starting
to deteriorate. Unfortunately, copies made using relatively high-quality
audio cassette decks do not load. The head on the internal cassette deck
is a standard 1/2 track mono head, so copying the tapes should not be
difficult.
Does anyone know if Interact produced their cassettes slightly off
"standard" alignment as a form of copy protection? I'm currently planning
to use one of the prerecorded Interact cassettes to set the azimuth
adjustment on an old cassette deck, and then use this deck for both
playback and recording to make working copies of the Interact tapes if
this is the case. If not, I'll record copies on a properly aligned deck
and then adjust the Interact to read the copies.
--
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303 East Chicago Avenue, Ward 8-264, Chicago, IL 60611 (312)503-0813
Finger ware(a)xtal.pharm.nwu.edu for PGP public key
>>2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable
>>model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they
>>were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good
>>as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just
>>commercial junk? How much would these machines go for?
>The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are
>all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the
>voice recognition before.
I've never used one myself, so I can't comment on the GUI. However the
portable Apricot did indeed have voice recognition. It was a nice box -
a very attractive V-shaped design (to put the monitor at a good angle),
light keyboard, and voice recognition. It was also black, which is a
fine thing. However, it was a membrane keyboard similar to the Sinclair
QL, the voice recog was not very good, suffered from an awful microphone
(apparantly you had to almost literally swallow it before it could pick
up anything), and the neat V-shape meant that you could not adjust the
monitor angle - which was not good at all, as it was one of those early
LCD sorts where than angle had to be perfect. It did run MS-DOS, but
wasn't 100% compat. My faviourite touch, though, was that if you
included an external monitor, the LCD one could be used independently -
much like on the Mac Powerbooks.
If anyone knows where I can get one please let me know - it's near the
top of my wish list.
Adam.
At 05:44 PM 1/25/98 EST, you wrote:
>I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not
>the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks
>and even an unused cleaning kit for it.
I don't have a controller either, probably why it's sitting up in the
rafters of the garage. Think I should dig a big hole and bury it for future
generations?
-John Higginbotham-
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The luggables look cool on the outside, but they're pretty boring.
The Compaq Portable seems to have a non-standard video card; it wouldn't
run Works 2.0 correctly. I liked the one IBM Convertible I've seen,
though they could have made it lighter. Unfortunately, it was trashed
w/o my consultation [ 8^( ] and I never got a chance to try the software
package that used to come with those things. If you ask me, the
Mac Plus -like machines were/are better. At least they have a normal
screen. I LOVE my Mac Portable, though it has a bit of an appetite for
power.
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I have the drivers for bernoullis (don't know what kind, but they came off
an XT).
manney(a)nwohio.com
----------
> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Wanted Bernoulli drive
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 5:05 PM
>
> I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have
not
> the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70
disks
> and even an unused cleaning kit for it.
>
> david
>Two questions:
.
>2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable
>model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they
>were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good
>as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just
>commercial junk? How much would these machines go for?
The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are
all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the
voice recognition before.
There is an Apricot wep page at
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html
I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not
the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks
and even an unused cleaning kit for it.
david
At 10:55 PM 1/25/98 +0100, you wrote:
>I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music
>console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read
>old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without
>succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only
>for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in
I've got a dual 10mb unit sitting in the garage, but that won't help you.
Does anyone else want it? It's pretty hefty.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
C'mon, Sam, don't hold it back --
tell us how you really feel!
---mikey
> I don't care to hear about your drug addictions and your non-existent sex
> life! It is of no interest to me whatsoever! Now, if you've got
> something regarding old computers to talk about, let's hear it.
> Otherwise, go join a support group.
>
>
> BIG HINT: This was posted publicly in the hopes that others who might
> consider writing about similar blather will get a clue.
>
> Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
>
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>
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>
In the spirit of the last few posts:
Hi, I'm new to the list. My collection so far includes several Sun 3
models, Atari 8-bit and ST stuff, a couple of old AT's and XT's, Apple
II's and Macs, and a few CP/M machines. I am a former refugee from the
mid-80's Atari user's groups, when the same people would meet
*socially* twice a week - once for the Atari group and once for the
skeptics/athiests group. Pleased to meet you all....
BTW, is there a publicly available archive for this list?
Regards,
Aaron Finney
there's an interesting story concerning my portable pc. i bought my first at a
thrift store for $5 with no keyboard so i just ran a cable extender out of the
back. quite a while later, i bought a box of keyboards at a radio rally for $5
and whaddya know, but there's a portable pc keyboard in there, complete! i
snapped it into my ppc, and now it's complete. now, if only the same thing
would happen with an atari power supply...
david
I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems
to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a
perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far).
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:32 PM
Subject: IBM Portable Personal Computer
>
>I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe
>its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor,
>512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the
>Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool.
>
>QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced?
>
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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>
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> See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
>
>
There are several freeware Mac development systems out there you can try
if you are interested. Personally, I often use MacMETH Modula-2. It runs
under System 6 or System 7, haven't tried it with System 8. I should post
my version of it on the web as it has a library of Mac Toolbox routines
that for some reason were not included in the usual release. Nice
documentation, too.
I'd also look at Pocket Forth (http://keaggy.intmed.mcw.edu/pf.html) which
is probably my current favorite programming language. It is very small
but fast and can be used to build nice little standalone apps. If you are
curious as to how I have a recent article in Forth Dimensions that can be
used as a starting point, just let me know.
Others to try would be Yerk and Mops, both similar, both object-oriented
Forths. Yerk is more likely to work on old Macs. I use them when the
project is too large for Pocket Forth's dictionary (a 16-bit Forth, the
others are 32-bit and very powerful, and very well documented)
Aren't most of the IM books, at least the old ones, available from an
Apple web site somewhere? I thought they were.
Also, you'd be surprised (I am) at the amount of software that still runs
on a 12 year old Mac SE under System 6.0.8!
Finally, someone mentioned Apple's MPW as the way to get a CLI on a Mac.
Another possibility is the Alpha text editor which has a command line
shell and uses Tcl as its programming language. I don't think it runs
under System 6, though. If you want one, write your own! Give the app
the type/creator of the Finder, rename it Finder and put it in the System
Folder. When the Mac starts up it will be used in place of the Finder.
- Ron Kneusel
rkneusel(a)mcw.edu
Two questions:
1) What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a PC clone? What processor?
2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable
model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they
were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good
as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just
commercial junk? How much would these machines go for?
Ok, a third question:
What is an IBM Eduquest? They are PC-like machines, but how different?
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The Okimate 10 uses a serial connection designed for computers without a
parallel port, such as the Commodore. There are interface cables made to
allow such a computer to communicate to a printer with a standard centronics
connector. However, I have never seen a way to do it the other way around
(but such a beast may exist, FAIK). A more likely scenario is to find an
adaptor to allow the Okimate to interface with a PC's serial port.
HTH,
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:33 AM
Subject: Okimate 10
>
>I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it
>accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information
>that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may
>have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow
>connection with a centronics cable.
>
>--Thank You--
>
>whunt
>
The 5140 is the IBM convertible computer released in 1986, two years after
the 5155. A real nice machine, BTW. Closer to a true portable (weighs in
at about 12 lgs.) than the previous luggables by IBM, Compaq, Kaypro, et.
al. Also one of the first (not sure of what I speak here) with a LCD screen.
For a picture and complete specs go to:
http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/5140.html
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Portable Personal Computer
>
>
>
>>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there
seems
>>to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a
>>perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far).
>>
>
>
>I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140?
>
>
I had bought an AT at an auction sale once. it was the old type 1 board, with
512k and double stacked ram chips. much to my surprise, it was upgraded to the
familiar AMI bios, which of course gave it type 47 for user defined drives!
should of kept it for that reason. i sold it before i started my collection in
1991
david
In a message dated 98-01-24 21:57:20 EST, you write:
<< Correct. The PC/AT bios only stores a drive code (a number that points to
a table in the ROM) in the CMOS RAM/RTC chip. There's no support for
storing drive parameters there.
That's why there's a kludge ROM in this machine with a patched drive
table so I could add a larger IDE drive to it. >>
When I usta repair Xerox machines, I used trichloroethane to get rid of it.
Do NOT put trichlor on hot metal (such as a fuser), or else you'll end up
with phosgene gas, which is -- shall we say -- slightlu harmful. (It was
one of the war gasses used during WWI).
I've heard that trichlor was outlawed, but I still see it around. My
favorite all-around solvent is MEK, but I haven't tried it on toner.
manney(a)nwohio.com
At 07:30 PM 1/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Dave:
>
>Sun Remarketing in Smithfield Utah still has MacWrite and MacPaint for
>the 512 and I think they have an agreement allowing them to produce
>copies of MAC OS 3.2 on 400k floppies. They did for me, anyway. Just
>copied it. Good on them. They have a page, I just dunno what it is.
You can also find System .97 and some other older systems and software to
run on them available on some page out there. Do a search on
classic+mac+software and it should pop up towards the top.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
At 03:21 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, James Bradford wrote:
>Where do these damn posts keep coming from? And why do people think they
>are sending e-mail to some dood when they post to classiccmp?
I think that's how I got subscribed to this list. I came across an obscure
reference to it on a web page and posted a message to it, pre-apologizing
for posting, and asking how to subscribe. Someone immediately helped me
out, and I'm now on the list.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
<twocents>
<topic=off>
Isn't complaining that something is off-topic be off-topic in itself?
Wouldn't that complaining be better directed to the list admin or to
the off-topician themselves?
That's my insight on the matter, on-topic, off-topic, under-topic, et al.
</topic>
</twocents>
At 09:47 AM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>sure it's all very interesting, our nerd lives, but I'm sure there's an
>IRC chat room where you can openly discuss your life and views without
>going severely off-topic.
-John Higginbotham-
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