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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i thought the command was something like LIST D1:filespec but its been so long. my 1050 drive manual doesnt have much info on it. to get dos help, the manual says to press H at the dos menu. this will bring up a help menu. press h and return to bring up screens of info. In a message dated 98-01-25 21:07:05 EST, you write: << And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. >>

28 years, 2 months

SoCal PDP Items at TRW

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A reminder to any PDP/Plessey collectors among us that I will have several pieces of Plessey 'PDP-clone' items at the monthly TRW Amateur Radio Swap Meet this coming Sat the 31st. I have a Plessey MicroII complete except for software... it boots into ODT '*', also a twin 8" drive for it.. a Kennedy 5xxx drive with see-thru cover.. needs an interface, and various other items of interest to the classic mini collector. I am trying to thin my collection and keep to 'true-blue' DEC stuff. Bad pun. Sorry.... ANYWAY... e-mail for info/directions/chat/whatever: delivery is available for the right bribe. I am looking for: An interface/formatter to connect a Kennedy 9300 9trk to an 11/34a A/D and/or D/A cards for the MINC-11 70's vintage D/A boxes for the PDP-11 If you are local or visiting, TRW is a great place to score micros and the occasional mini. Last time, an IBM Sys/34 complete went for $20.. software and terminals and docs. The guy 'inherited' it and just wanted it off the back of his little truck. Had not another indivdual (who had been an IBM field tech) bought it... it would be here. In what's left of the garage space. This is just an example of what turns up there. TRW plant in El Segundo, 7:30am to 11:30am e-mail me for space numbers and more. Cheers to all John

28 years, 2 months

Wanted Bernoulli drive

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. They're SCSI. Old enough that I don't know whether they'll work with anything; I've hooked up a 44MB Bernoulli to a Linux box and it works (I just have to have it powered off when I turn the machine on because the SCSI ROM BIOS doesn't like it), but I've not fiddled with my 10MB units yet. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 2 months

Interact Model One

by s-ware＠nwu.edu

I recently acquired an Interact Model One computer. It's a relatively small unit with calculator-style keys and a built in cassette deck for data storage. Inside, there is an 8080 CPU and 16 Kbytes of RAM. The latest date codes on the components place its manufacture in early 1978. Video output is color NTSC, and there is a built-in RF modulator for driving a television. The rather large pixels yield a 16 x 12 text display. The ROM seems to contain only enough code to start the process of loading programs from tape. Fortunately, I picked up two different BASIC variants (EDU-BASIC, which is a usable "tiny" BASIC, and Level II Microsoft BASIC.), as well as about a dozen games on tape. The 20-year old cassette tapes I obtained with this machine are starting to deteriorate. Unfortunately, copies made using relatively high-quality audio cassette decks do not load. The head on the internal cassette deck is a standard 1/2 track mono head, so copying the tapes should not be difficult. Does anyone know if Interact produced their cassettes slightly off "standard" alignment as a form of copy protection? I'm currently planning to use one of the prerecorded Interact cassettes to set the azimuth adjustment on an old cassette deck, and then use this deck for both playback and recording to make working copies of the Interact tapes if this is the case. If not, I'll record copies on a properly aligned deck and then adjust the Interact to read the copies. -- Scott Ware NUMS-MPBC Macromolecular Crystallography Resource 303 East Chicago Avenue, Ward 8-264, Chicago, IL 60611 (312)503-0813 Finger ware(a)xtal.pharm.nwu.edu for PGP public key

28 years, 2 months

DEC and Apricots

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>>2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >>model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >>were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >>as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >>commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? >The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are >all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the >voice recognition before. I've never used one myself, so I can't comment on the GUI. However the portable Apricot did indeed have voice recognition. It was a nice box - a very attractive V-shaped design (to put the monitor at a good angle), light keyboard, and voice recognition. It was also black, which is a fine thing. However, it was a membrane keyboard similar to the Sinclair QL, the voice recog was not very good, suffered from an awful microphone (apparantly you had to almost literally swallow it before it could pick up anything), and the neat V-shape meant that you could not adjust the monitor angle - which was not good at all, as it was one of those early LCD sorts where than angle had to be perfect. It did run MS-DOS, but wasn't 100% compat. My faviourite touch, though, was that if you included an external monitor, the LCD one could be used independently - much like on the Mac Powerbooks. If anyone knows where I can get one please let me know - it's near the top of my wish list. Adam.

28 years, 2 months

Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:44 PM 1/25/98 EST, you wrote: >I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not >the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks >and even an unused cleaning kit for it. I don't have a controller either, probably why it's sitting up in the rafters of the garage. Think I should dig a big hole and bury it for future generations? -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Luggables

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The luggables look cool on the outside, but they're pretty boring. The Compaq Portable seems to have a non-standard video card; it wouldn't run Works 2.0 correctly. I liked the one IBM Convertible I've seen, though they could have made it lighter. Unfortunately, it was trashed w/o my consultation [ 8^( ] and I never got a chance to try the software package that used to come with those things. If you ask me, the Mac Plus -like machines were/are better. At least they have a normal screen. I LOVE my Mac Portable, though it has a bit of an appetite for power. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

Wanted Bernoulli drive

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I have the drivers for bernoullis (don't know what kind, but they came off an XT). manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: Wanted Bernoulli drive > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 5:05 PM > > I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. > > david

28 years, 2 months

DEC and Apricots

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>Two questions: . >2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the voice recognition before. There is an Apricot wep page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html

28 years, 2 months

Wanted Bernoulli drive

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks and even an unused cleaning kit for it. david

28 years, 2 months

Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:55 PM 1/25/98 +0100, you wrote: >I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music >console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read >old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without >succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only >for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in I've got a dual 10mb unit sitting in the garage, but that won't help you. Does anyone else want it? It's pretty hefty. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by weese＠mind.net

C'mon, Sam, don't hold it back -- tell us how you really feel! ---mikey > I don't care to hear about your drug addictions and your non-existent sex > life! It is of no interest to me whatsoever! Now, if you've got > something regarding old computers to talk about, let's hear it. > Otherwise, go join a support group. > > > BIG HINT: This was posted publicly in the hopes that others who might > consider writing about similar blather will get a clue. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

28 years, 2 months

Archives

by aaron＠prinsol.com

In the spirit of the last few posts: Hi, I'm new to the list. My collection so far includes several Sun 3 models, Atari 8-bit and ST stuff, a couple of old AT's and XT's, Apple II's and Macs, and a few CP/M machines. I am a former refugee from the mid-80's Atari user's groups, when the same people would meet *socially* twice a week - once for the Atari group and once for the skeptics/athiests group. Pleased to meet you all.... BTW, is there a publicly available archive for this list? Regards, Aaron Finney

28 years, 2 months

IBM Portable Personal Computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

there's an interesting story concerning my portable pc. i bought my first at a thrift store for $5 with no keyboard so i just ran a cable extender out of the back. quite a while later, i bought a box of keyboards at a radio rally for $5 and whaddya know, but there's a portable pc keyboard in there, complete! i snapped it into my ppc, and now it's complete. now, if only the same thing would happen with an atari power supply... david

28 years, 2 months

IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:32 PM Subject: IBM Portable Personal Computer > >I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe >its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor, >512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the >Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool. > >QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced? > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

28 years, 2 months

Mac Development

by rkneusel＠post.its.mcw.edu

There are several freeware Mac development systems out there you can try if you are interested. Personally, I often use MacMETH Modula-2. It runs under System 6 or System 7, haven't tried it with System 8. I should post my version of it on the web as it has a library of Mac Toolbox routines that for some reason were not included in the usual release. Nice documentation, too. I'd also look at Pocket Forth (http://keaggy.intmed.mcw.edu/pf.html) which is probably my current favorite programming language. It is very small but fast and can be used to build nice little standalone apps. If you are curious as to how I have a recent article in Forth Dimensions that can be used as a starting point, just let me know. Others to try would be Yerk and Mops, both similar, both object-oriented Forths. Yerk is more likely to work on old Macs. I use them when the project is too large for Pocket Forth's dictionary (a 16-bit Forth, the others are 32-bit and very powerful, and very well documented) Aren't most of the IM books, at least the old ones, available from an Apple web site somewhere? I thought they were. Also, you'd be surprised (I am) at the amount of software that still runs on a 12 year old Mac SE under System 6.0.8! Finally, someone mentioned Apple's MPW as the way to get a CLI on a Mac. Another possibility is the Alpha text editor which has a command line shell and uses Tcl as its programming language. I don't think it runs under System 6, though. If you want one, write your own! Give the app the type/creator of the Finder, rename it Finder and put it in the System Folder. When the Mac starts up it will be used in place of the Finder. - Ron Kneusel rkneusel(a)mcw.edu

28 years, 2 months

DEC and Apricots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Two questions: 1) What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a PC clone? What processor? 2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? Ok, a third question: What is an IBM Eduquest? They are PC-like machines, but how different? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

Okimate 10

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The Okimate 10 uses a serial connection designed for computers without a parallel port, such as the Commodore. There are interface cables made to allow such a computer to communicate to a printer with a standard centronics connector. However, I have never seen a way to do it the other way around (but such a beast may exist, FAIK). A more likely scenario is to find an adaptor to allow the Okimate to interface with a PC's serial port. HTH, Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:33 AM Subject: Okimate 10 > >I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it >accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information >that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may >have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow >connection with a centronics cable. > >--Thank You-- > >whunt >

28 years, 2 months

IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The 5140 is the IBM convertible computer released in 1986, two years after the 5155. A real nice machine, BTW. Closer to a true portable (weighs in at about 12 lgs.) than the previous luggables by IBM, Compaq, Kaypro, et. al. Also one of the first (not sure of what I speak here) with a LCD screen. For a picture and complete specs go to: http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/5140.html Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:20 PM Subject: Re: IBM Portable Personal Computer > > > >>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems >>to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a >>perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). >> > > >I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140? > >

28 years, 2 months

Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I had bought an AT at an auction sale once. it was the old type 1 board, with 512k and double stacked ram chips. much to my surprise, it was upgraded to the familiar AMI bios, which of course gave it type 47 for user defined drives! should of kept it for that reason. i sold it before i started my collection in 1991 david In a message dated 98-01-24 21:57:20 EST, you write: << Correct. The PC/AT bios only stores a drive code (a number that points to a table in the ROM) in the CMOS RAM/RTC chip. There's no support for storing drive parameters there. That's why there's a kludge ROM in this machine with a patched drive table so I could add a larger IDE drive to it. >>

28 years, 2 months

toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

When I usta repair Xerox machines, I used trichloroethane to get rid of it. Do NOT put trichlor on hot metal (such as a fuser), or else you'll end up with phosgene gas, which is -- shall we say -- slightlu harmful. (It was one of the war gasses used during WWI). I've heard that trichlor was outlawed, but I still see it around. My favorite all-around solvent is MEK, but I haven't tried it on toner. manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 2 months

PDP-8/Es available

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

new additions: macs!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:30 PM 1/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Dave: > >Sun Remarketing in Smithfield Utah still has MacWrite and MacPaint for >the 512 and I think they have an agreement allowing them to produce >copies of MAC OS 3.2 on 400k floppies. They did for me, anyway. Just >copied it. Good on them. They have a page, I just dunno what it is. You can also find System .97 and some other older systems and software to run on them available on some page out there. Do a search on classic+mac+software and it should pop up towards the top. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

diskdrive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 03:21 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, James Bradford wrote: >Where do these damn posts keep coming from? And why do people think they >are sending e-mail to some dood when they post to classiccmp? I think that's how I got subscribed to this list. I came across an obscure reference to it on a web page and posted a message to it, pre-apologizing for posting, and asking how to subscribe. Someone immediately helped me out, and I'm now on the list. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Off topic Topicalities from the Deep!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

<twocents> <topic=off> Isn't complaining that something is off-topic be off-topic in itself? Wouldn't that complaining be better directed to the list admin or to the off-topician themselves? That's my insight on the matter, on-topic, off-topic, under-topic, et al. </topic> </twocents> At 09:47 AM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >sure it's all very interesting, our nerd lives, but I'm sure there's an >IRC chat room where you can openly discuss your life and views without >going severely off-topic. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

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