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by mallison＠konnections.com

www.timco-computers.com Wow, Great prices. Looks like they have an awful lot of worthless junque for people who regularly crave such things. Been looking for a MAC board for my 2page display, Guess I know where to get one... Thanks for the ref.. -Mike

28 years, 2 months

back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-26 23:36:11 EST, you write: << The grease on the eject rails hardens and causes this behaviour. You -can- get it out with the paper clip if it moves at all, but you have to push hard. >> turns out that's exactly what it was! thankfully the drive mechanism separates >from the rest of the drive with screws. i had some head and disk cleaner (alcohol) in a spray can, so i just sprayed it on the parts and worked them back and forth until they were loose. i've no grease, but at least its working just fine now. david.

28 years, 2 months

DEC Sold to Compaq!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, I found out that Atari is kicking. Has anyone heard about the game "Primal Rage" It's copywrighted to Atari Games. Tim D. Hotze PS-It's my opinion that OS/2 (there making a new version) and DEC will be around, in one form or another, for quite awhile. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Prymmer <pvhp(a)forte.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 4:59 AM Subject: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! >classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! > >Richard A. Cini wrote: > >>Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >>stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >>Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. >> >> After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >>paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >>nothing about DEC's products. > >According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS >mailing list he said: > > We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly > its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha > microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, > open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief > executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. > >And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list >of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > >> It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >>Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. > >Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has >been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes >are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... > >Peter Prymmer > > >

28 years, 2 months

DEC Sold to Compaq!

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! Richard A. Cini wrote: >Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. > > After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >nothing about DEC's products. According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS mailing list he said: We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... Peter Prymmer

28 years, 2 months

This is the end... (Compaq buys DEC)

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Well, look here... http://www.digital.com/flash/f192 It's the end of Aplha, I know that... Compaq likes Intel, and so they'll do Intel a favor and kill Alpha off. Then all DEC will make is PC clones... And that's the end of decent architectures from Maynard! -------

28 years, 2 months

Luggables

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I have seen have VGA and network cards in there.

28 years, 2 months

Luggables

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:14 PM 1/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if >anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... There was one for sale recently on ebay; I forget what it eventually sold for, but it was: Compaq Portable III ISA Expansion Unit. (item #3694518) You can do a search to look up the final price. Also, I know where there may be one for $100, but you have to take the Compaq it's attached to as well. 8^) (Condition unknown, etc.; it's outta my price range.) P.S., Just to let folks know, this list doesn't get anywhere near as off-topic as a couple of Land Rover lists I'm on, and it is nowhere near as well policed as the Dressage list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

MFM drives

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>My two favorite tools for HD work are the "On-Track Disk Manager >program V 5", and "Hard Drive Test Specs" program. DM lets you test, >LL format, create, and prep partitions. I will give a hearty second to the recommendation for Disk Manager. Can't be beat. If you've ever swapped a hard drive, or you ever plan to, get this program! If you even know what a hard drive is, you should probably have it. Also good is LapLink Pro, which allows you to transfer itself to another computer without having to use diskettes -- handy for those older (PC) machines (like >10 years) whose floppy drives have gone south, but you want access to the hard drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > would have sold it. > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > the software... Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally UNDERNEATH the terminal program. The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal program. IBM sold an API (Application Program Interface) which was a piece of software allowing programs running on the PC to type on the terminal, look at the terminal screen memory, etc. Very crude. File transfer software - not very good - was available too. The reason they were rare was that the IBM 3270 terminal protocol (SNA, Systems Network Architecture) was only used on IBM mainframes - not even on the System/3X minis. I don't know how it worked but it was EBCDIC for a start... Returning to the 5155, when I was working at IBM this was the cheapest complete system in the IBM range - it was much the same price as an XT (if not less) and it had a monitor built in. Many IBM employees bought them as an entry level system (IBM required us to sign a contract saying we wouldn't develop software for other than IBM machines - I don't know whether this would have survived a court case!) But there must be some around if only for that reason. Hope this helps! Philip. PS *** Off Topic *** Will Sam and Anthony please go and have their argument somewhere else? The first couple of posts about Anthony's personal testimony were interesting and related to computers. The subsequent argument about drugs and off-topic posts, not to mention mature adults of 17 and silly kids of 30 (I'm one of the latter FWIW) was not. Sam, you say Anthony has problems - but so do you. Will you stop jumping down everybody's throat as soon as the topic starts to drift, please? Finally, alcohol. Interesting points about Prohibition (which we didn't have over here). Thank you whoever posted them (even though off topic). Denatured alcohol here is still "Methylated Spirit" - i.e. it has had methanol added. It has also had pyridine (I think) added to make it look purple and taste foul, and it is therefore even more poisonous, but it doesn't leave a residue. On the subject of home-made booze, if you use the wrong sort of yeast, you may well get methanol in the ferment. During prohibition I'd guess that proper brewer's yeast was not easily available! Apparently potatoes are particularly susceptible, and this has given the traditional Irish spirit made therefrom, Poteen, a bad name for making you literally "blind drunk." Since I am a non-drinker I'd better say no more on that subject... Philip.

28 years, 2 months

toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

IT IS CARBON TETRACHLORIDE that produces phosgene when it is > reduced on a hot surface. Carbon tet (tetrachloromethane) hasn't been > available for 30 years! Funny how legends continue to spread. :) H'm. Sorry for shooting off my mouth. Computers (peecees, anyway...) I know, but chem is not my cuppa tea. manney

28 years, 2 months

Mid-Atlantic Antique Computer Club

by Marty＠itgonline.com

To whom it may concern: I would like to get in touch with anybody interested in 'antique' computers, especially in the Washington, DC metropolitan area to exchange info and perhaps start an east coast collector organization. Please email me: marty(a)itgonline.com Thanks- Marty Mintzell 5635 Heming avenue Springfield, Virginia 22151 703-569-2380 email:marty@itgonline.com

28 years, 2 months

toner cleaning

by Squest＠cris.com

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Great, but what does homemade booze have to do with collecting old > computers? Well, one guy wondered what it was that caused denatured alcohol to leave residue on his computer printed circuit boards he was cleaning. My off-topic message answered that question he never even asked. :) Now if you'd like to eat your words, start munching. :) My off-topic post was of benefit to ONE PERSON, and that's enough to justify it's creation. sq (just put the unique word "Squest" in your killfile if you don't like it.) -- -<squest(a)cris.com>---------\ ( ( | ) ) Amendment1 Congress shall make ============================> /_\ no law abridging the freedom MicroPower FM Broadcasting-/ /\_/\ of speech, or of the press.

28 years, 2 months

IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by mallison＠konnections.com

I wouldn't know if my 3270pc is original or not, but there's no extended keyboard. -Mike ---------- > From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re[2]: IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things) > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 10:44 AM > > > I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > > would have sold it. > > > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > > the software... > > Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the > hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort > of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, > locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally > UNDERNEATH the terminal program. > > The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 > of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a > block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys > did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC > session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the > keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that > wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about > the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal > program. > >

28 years, 2 months

99 cent store find...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

While on a recent excursion to Stockton (a realtively close big city for us) we stopped by one of those 99 cent clearnace centers and I was surprised to find boxes of disks available. I picked up 90 DS/DD diskettes for just $8.91, 9.9 cents for a 'new' brand name disk is pretty good. They also had 5.25" DS/HD (don't have any need for those...) and also a few boxes of 8" disks, (W/WP, is that the format? It was the only thing that looked like a format/sectoring I.D. to me...) Other than that I picked up a VIC-20 RF modulator for 75 cents... Wasn't really thrift-storing that day... :) I did pick up a Maganavox composite/RGB monitor for only $4.50 a couple weeks back though. Question on this, it has TTL RGB and Lin. RGB ports, is the Lin. RGB Analog RGB? (Magnavox did produce a few Commodore/Amiga monitors, I am hoping this one may be Amiga compatible...) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

Wanted Bernoulli drive

by bufforec＠studiobuffo.com.pl

I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in a basement store... Thanks for colaboration. Jarek Warsaw 25.01.98

28 years, 2 months

Luggables

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... (It probably just went up in value.....) -Mike ---------- > From: Olminkhof <jolminkh(a)c2.telstra-mm.net.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Luggables > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:08 AM > > > > >The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box > >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus > >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to > >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... > > > The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. > Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I > have seen have VGA and network cards in there. >

28 years, 2 months

Looking for a Fujitsu M2382 User

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: The title says it all. I have a sick M2382 SMD drive, and am looking for someone who is running one successfully, so that we can compare switch settings, QD32 or QD33 parameters, or documentation. The drive's on a known-good QD32 on a Microvax II. It's in tandem with an M2372, on the same QD32. The M2372 drive is working well. Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

28 years, 2 months

Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) (fwd)

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, so, he mailed a personal note, off line off the list, like he's supposed to, so that there isn't a bunch of drivvel on the list. That's the whole point to this seemingly pointless discussion. -Mike Allison ---------- > > I think the following says all that need be said about this debate. > I received it from Mr. Ismail this evening. > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead

28 years, 2 months

"Black Apple" Floppy Drive

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Somebody's selling a Bell & Howell "black Apple" floppy drive on Ebay: http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4986738

28 years, 2 months

//gs manuals

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, after closer investigation, I found the DOS info that I needed. Sorry for the post. I'd still like the manuals, though. Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 2 months

Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sorry to but in, but some of us ARE CHILDREN. ;-) And, honestly, I hate to point out, but you're acting less mature than we do. Honestly, the guy made a mistake. Why blame him? If there's anyone who can seriously tell me their perfect, then disregard this, but we all make 'em. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) >Oh, stop acting like children! I screwed up by misdirecting that message in >the first place. Nobody needs to get violent! Just tag the posts [OFF-TOPIC] >like is done in a.f.s-m. That way you can kill the message if you don't want to read it. >-------

28 years, 2 months

II+ Os/Software

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. I'm getting a II+ from Jeff Kaneko, but, as usual from thrift stores, no OS/Software. Is the II+ like the II GS, downloadalbe from the 'Net? Also, is there any software out there? If I can download it from the net, where, and how do I copy it (using either 1.44MB 3.5" or a 360K 5.25" drive, PC, SERIAL connection???) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 2 months

Now, back to topic...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Yes, I know I started that mess :) Sorry. I just picked up a MicroVAX 2000. Little bitty box. It's portable, it even has a handle. Runx VAX/VMS 5.4. I'll drop NetBSD on here and have it up in no time at all. Or, I may keep VMS... -------

28 years, 2 months

IIgs manuals wanted

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a spare set of Apple //gs manuals that they'd be willing to part with? I just got two floppy drives for my new gs, so I'm just beginning to work my way around it. I'm running ProDOS until I can get OS/GS transferred to it. I've got a 5-1/4" and a 3-1/2" floppy, but can't seem to get ProDOS to INIT a new disk. No immediate solution is apparent from Nathan Mates' on-line info. Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 2 months

Atari 800/ 800XL DOS commands?

by archive＠navix.net

Hello: Here's my question. I am trying to figure out how to load certain commands on an Atari 800xl. I guess I should say 'files'. I can load BASIC files just fine with DOS loaded, I just exit to BASIC and RUN"D1:game.bas" -- is there a way to do it directly from DOS 2.5, etc., without going back to BASIC? And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. Please respond back if you have any information, as I am trying to catalog all those Atari 800 (and everything) disks. Thank you very much, CORD COSLOR -- _________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net | | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | |-----------------------------------------| | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421-0308 | | (402) 872- 3272 | |_________________________________________|

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