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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

If you ask me, drugs are a BAD idea. I mean, if it's not you, then it's not you. I would rather be ME and be sitting in a basement, rather than some powder, effectively turning my body into a slave. Also, drugs are getting to be the past. Ask a group of junior-high schoolers about drugs. 9 out of 10 will say that they're a mistake. As for tobacco and alcohol, that's border-lined, but many are anti-tobacco, but alcohol.... that's kind of next-generation. We're getting there. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:49 PM Subject: Re: PDP-8/Es available >>From classiccmp-owner(a)u.washington.edu Sat Jan 24 00:03:17 1998 >>Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) >> by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with >SMTP >> id XAA16594; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:48:10 -0800 >>Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu >[140.142.33.5]) >> by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with >ESMTP >> id XAA20360 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 23 Jan >1998 23:48:04 -0800 >>Received: from news2.cnct.com (root(a)news2.cnct.com [165.254.118.91]) >> by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with >ESMTP >> id XAA21553 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 >23:48:02 -0800 >>Received: from cnct.com (gram(a)terra.cnct.com [165.254.118.73]) >> by news2.cnct.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02059 >> for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:50:28 -0500 >>Message-Id: <34C99D0D.E0B76342(a)cnct.com> >>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:49:33 -0500 >>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >>Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu >>Precedence: bulk >>From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> >>To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >>Subject: Re: PDP-8/Es available >>References: <3.0.16.19980123181422.37e71016(a)ricochet.net> >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Sender: ward(a)news2.cnct.com >>X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> >>Uncle Roger wrote: >>> >>> At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 >now >>> >>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to >get me >>> >>> >Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I >can >>> >remember them all, my web site is a partial listing. >>> >>> One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum >of >>> Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble. >You >>> don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and >they >>> don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't >actively >>> collecting anything in high school.) >> >>What exception? In high school I actively collected science fiction >>books since computers weren't affordable yet to a high school kid -- I >>wore a slide rule on my belt because (1) I used it (2) that honestly >was >>the easiest way to carry a Pickett and (3) the HP-35 came out in my >>junior year of high school priced about $395.00 more than I had on >hand. >> >(SNIP) >If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though >I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) than not >do drugs and sit for years in the basement without seeing the light >of day. It seems to me that since we all die anyway, might as well >enjoy. I am not brave enough to take that approach, so I sit at my >computer all day (when I am not at school-I am in 9th grade). > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

CoCo 2 & 3 max speed

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Anyone know right off hand what the highest supported baud rate is for the RS-232 on a CoCo 2 or CoCo 3? Asking for a friend who thinks she can use a 9600 baud external modem on it. (!) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

99cent store find/missed finds...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> Subject: Re: 99 cent store find... > Every once in a while you actually find something cool at those places. > There is a 99 cent clearance store (same chain as the one you went to > Larry) near me where I found a bunch of mid 80s computer programming books > (all in a series). The titles were like '6502 Assembly Language > Programming' and 'Z-80 Assembly Language Programming', 'FORTH', some > others. Were those those thinnish hardback editions... I have come across PILOT, FORTH, and TRS-80 Graphics... No 6502 Assembly though, better check there again... A couple years back I bought a couple 64 games books from another discount store, I could easily tell why they were so cheap, some had doubled or missing pages, or pages upside-down... oops. > I bought all of them at $.99 each (about 35 in all) kept a set > for myself and sold the rest on Usenet. I still have a few copies left if > anyone's interested. There are some things where you can never have too many. I find Commodore datasette drives at a real low price is my particular weakness... 00101001111010100001010111010100001101101110100100010000101101001001000111 I just got some e-mail from a user who was thanking me for the PET FAQ and directed me to a page where some Commodore stuff is (was) being sold, of course he snagged the 8010 (PET) modem before he e-mailed but I may had added a few precious books to me library. You may want to check out the site at: http://www.puppetgallery.com/compucat/sale/c64.html Besides some nice pics of what he offered for sale (I think the drives, cables, and 64 software are still available), the main page has an interesting history of the couple's computer experiences over the years (from buying one of the first PETs to having Lenoard Nimoy call his BBS...) Larry Anderson P.S. the user who e-mailed me also has a notable page, especially if you have any interest at all in the history of Commodore 64/128 BBS programs... Check it out at: http://www.prismnet.com/~bo -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

IBM Portable Personal Computer

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> Slot 8 on an XT > is strange, and the card put in it needs to assert one of the pins (I > think it's B8) during a read cycle. Just about the only card that does > this is the IBM Async card Um. My references tell me that the PC (thus, slot 5, nearest the P/S) is peculiar, but nothing is strange with XT slot 8 -- at least, according to my references. FWIW, I've run a variety of cards in XT slot 8 and PC slot 5 with no problems. manney(a)nwohio.com "Would a skinny ballerina wear a one-one?"

28 years, 2 months

eBay and online auctions

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

Wonderful things, but.... I was looking around on eBay, and found several things that cought my eye. Hey, there's a Mac IIx 2/40 for $2! But pay another $20-50 more for shipping? I could probably find it for the same price or cheaper locally. Well, it will take some time... The most recent IIx I've seen for sale(although much more RAM/HD) is $175. But I HAVE seen them around(before I got interested in collecting computers) for anywhere from $10-500. It's a crazy world... Everyone always asks me why I don't have a C64 or TRS-80 or any of those type of computers. Well, I was offered a TRS-80 Model 4, I offered $5 for it, he responded that he didn't even sell it when he was offered $75 a few months earlier. I either run into people trashing or giving away their computers(Series/1, Apple IIe, PS/2 Model 50Z) or they want to sell them as antiques(and at prices much worse than any antique store I'VE ever seen...). Would someone hurry up and invent a time machine? Zip back about 5-10 years ago when people didn't really care either way and pick up some collectors pieces for $5 and come back to the future where people sell them for $500... <sigh> -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

28 years, 2 months

dBASE II manual

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Anyone have an extra dBASE II manual they'd be willing to part with? I've got dBASE II in ROM on one of my GRiDCASE 3 laptops, and would like to learn more about it. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Mines heavy er than yours

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

That's easy... the IBM 5100 is well over 50 lbs. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: cdenham(a)tgis.co.uk [SMTP:cdenham@tgis.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:35 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Mines heavy er than yours > > While moving some off my old computers around I wandered which was the > heavy est luggable ever made so just for fun I got the bathroom > scales out and weighted some off them . > Commodore sx64 23 pounds > Osbourne One 28 pounds > Andromeda Zita D 44 pounds > > So lets have a fun competition , get those bathroom scales out and > find out who made the heavey est luggable . > > Happy weighing > Chris > > ps > Any body got a boot disk for the Andromeda Zita D , I think its > CPM based on a Raid its got 5 1/4 disks on it .

28 years, 2 months

Sharp MZ-700

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>No old computer is ever "dead". One shouldn't hold onto them only if they >work. The point is to keep them around so that one can at least see and >touch them, open them up and look at their circuitry. You can't do that >with a picture obviously. All computers will eventually "die", but I'm >not about to start burying them all. After all, they don't start >decomposing and smelling bad. If you don't want to keep it, e-mail me >privately and I'll pay to have it shipped to me and I'll hold onto it. Sorry. :) I don't mean to say that I would dump it - simply that as I cannot repair it myself, is it worth paying for someone to do that or would I be better off just keeping it as a record, and looking at the manuals as the main part of the deal (for now). Mostly I like to display my computers as working systems (although I ran out of floorspace months ago), and so prefer working models to broken ones. :) I figure that it is better to have a computer working than broken, so long as I can afford to get it fixed - but I refuse to trash any of my systems, no matter what the problem. And this goes triple for anything that I only have one of anyway! I got very angry at a local dealer recently, for he trashed some 30 microbees 2 weeks before I got there. I had been searching for a Microbee for about 6 months, and he was supposed to sell second-hand 8-bit systems as his business. He said he never liked Microbees anyway. :( I finally got one, but if I could have saved those others I would have been able to offer them (for shipping) to the list. Microbees, for those who haven't heard of them, are neat little cp/m systems that were designed and built in Australia - not many computers were made here, although there were a few, but the Microbee would be one of the two most significant locally made computers. Adam.

28 years, 2 months

Plastic yellowing

by aaron＠prinsol.com

Does anyone have a remedy for bad case yellowing? I have the suspicion that it's a permanent chemical change, but I thought it might be worth a shot. For most of the systems, I don't really mind and for some, it adds to the character. The only one that's bugging me is my Atari 800xl, which was my first real "programming" computer. Thanks, Aaron

28 years, 2 months

UCSD Pascal on Europlus (was: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]))

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> wrote: > At 15:33 1/28/98 +1100, Huw Davies wrote: > >....I seem to remember > >that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm > >this? > > Well, that's not a combo I've run, but if a Europlus will do it, any ][+ > should do it, the implication being that you need 48K RAM. (32K mainboard > and the Language Card?? Help me out here....) 48KB on the motherboard, and the Language Card or equivalent 16KB RAM card. The canonical configuration is a Language Card in slot 0 with a 16-pin DIP jumper installed between a socket on the card and a the upper-left motherboard RAM socket (the RAM chip gets relocated to the card), but of course there were many compatible memory cards. I don't recall any reason why you couldn't do this on an Apple ][, but I know I did it on a Rev 7 ][+, and a friend had done it on an earlier rev (4?) ][+ that still had the 4K/16K jumper blocks on the motherboard. Obviously they were all set for 16K (as you must have 48KB on the motherboard). -Frank McConnell

28 years, 2 months

Monitor woes

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I just acquired a PS/2 Model 25, the one with an integrated monitor and 8086. The reason it was being thrown away was that while it starts up fine, the MCGA monitor eventually becomes tinted red and blurry. If I turn it off and let it sit for a few minutes, then turn it on, it will work fine again. What is the problem? Can I solve it without the risk of shorting capacitors and blowing myself halfway across the room? My understading is that this machine needs no reference disks, but can I use a hard drive > 20MB? It never mentions it on IBM's site. Lastly, does anyone have any of the original stuff for it, ie software, manuals, etc. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 03:33 PM 1/28/98 +1100, you wrote: >To add some "on-topic" content to this e-mail: > >One of the seminal articles I remember reading in Byte (in the good old >days :-) >was one by Carl Helmers talking about setting up an Apple II to run UCSD >Pascal. I'm slowly assembling all the necessary bits but I seem to remember >that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm >this? Preferably someone running UCSD Pascal on an Apple II... > > Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au If you know which issue it was, I may be able to look it up. Joe >

28 years, 2 months

Computers & Lysol

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Don't laugh. I'm getting complaints around here about one of my computers the SMS-1000 (PDP-11/73) smelling of mold and mildew, and have been asked to either remove it, or spray it down with Lysol. How safe is it to spray a computer down with Lysol? Obviously I'd not run it for a while if I do. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

28 years, 2 months

Compaq buys DEC

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:03:21 -0600 (CST), Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >>Can't disagree there... Well, I should clarify. I'm sure that they did see it coming. A buyout of some form was headed for DEC like a Conrail freight train traveling at 100 mph. I'm not too well-versed with DEC's current product line, but I get the impression that, while good quality and adequate performers, there is nothing very distinguishing. >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. >>Huh? What about HP? Still going strong with the HP3000 (ca. 1972?). I probably shouldn't have said "last" either. Wasn't DEC part of the original "seven dwarfs" of early computing? I think that IBM was "Snow White" and there were seven other mini/main companies right behind it. When I said "old line," I was thinking along the lines of Sperry and Burroughs and not HP or IBM. ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 2 months

DEC Sold to Compaq!

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:33 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. Can't disagree there... >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. Huh? What about HP? Still going strong with the HP3000 (ca. 1972?). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

UCSD Pascal on Europlus (was: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]))

by engine＠chac.org

At 15:33 1/28/98 +1100, Huw Davies wrote: >....I seem to remember >that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm >this? Well, that's not a combo I've run, but if a Europlus will do it, any ][+ should do it, the implication being that you need 48K RAM. (32K mainboard and the Language Card?? Help me out here....) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 2 months

Apple II GS

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I'll take it! -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Apple II GS >On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, PG Manney wrote: > >> I've been offered and Apple II GS. Anyone interested? I doubt it'll ever be >> rare... > >Doesn't matter. Its a fun computer to play with and hack on. Someone >should take PG up on this. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

28 years, 2 months

Development, round II

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:29 PM 1/26/98 PST, you wrote: >Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything, usually with >about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What >did they put in there? The MicroSloth License Agreement. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

MFM drives & Interlink

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:01 PM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >FastLynx: A program from RUPP corporation, alot like LapLink, except >with a much simpler (and easier to use) user interface (IMHO). The >program died off though, as Lap Link became more popular (I still >don't understand why). If you used the serial link, it could upload >itself to the target machine. I still use it. I think it died out because of the gawdawful color of their cables. 8^) (Some horrid shade of Red, iirc?) Actually, I had both, and preferred LapLink. Haven't used FastLynx in about 10 years. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

Interesting Find

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

I think I have 2 of these somewhere, but called PC7000's. One with a HDD and the other with 2 FDD's. No Docs unfortunately. I think they have some unusual distinction, the first backlit LCD screen maybe (from memory). -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Gregory <cgregory(a)lrbcg.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 28 January 1998 10:24 Subject: Interesting Find >Found an interesting (at least to me) luggable/portable at the local thrift >the other day. It's a Sharp PC-7100. Very compact and sharp (no pun) >design. About half the size and weight of an old Compaq, with a detatchable >keyboard, tiltable LCD screen, 5.25 floppy, 20 meg hard drive. It booted >fine from the hard drive (MSDOS 3.2). > >I haven't taken the time to open it up and look inside, but I ran MSD from a >floppy, and it reported the computer to be a Sharp/ERSO, 8088 or 8086 >processor, 704k RAM. When I browsed the ROM memory, the result was: >aVADEM-SHARP Personal Computer System Firmware Version 3.0B copyright 1985 >Vadem Inc. > >I did a cursory search on the net for more information but came up empty, so >if anyone can help with more info or docs for this one, I would appreciate >it. BTW, the screen has a blue/purple sort of tint to it. Kind of >attractive in a psychodelic sort of way ( oh please, no more drug-related >threads <g>). > >Cliff Gregory >cgregory(a)lrbcg.com > > >

28 years, 2 months

: Re: Development, round II

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Andrew Gammuto said: >I never saw anybody use the cassette port for practical purposes. In fact, I >never saw a cassette drive from IBM. Good trivia question. Has anybody >ever >seen one? I do remember reading something years ago about hobbyists >using >the cassette port for plugging in wierd hardware hacks. I don't think IBM would have made cassette recorders. IBM made a cassette adapter cable for the IBMPCjr, but I don't think one was ever made for the PC. Pero, Jason D. said: >The orignals were lower density like 320k each at first but quickly >gone after XT came out with standard 360k drive or two, or floppy and >10mb HD. It was DOS 2.0 that increased the formatted capacity from 320K to 360K. --------------------------------------------- Fun Fact: ( system requirement chart for DOS from the IBM Personal Computer Software Library booklet,1985) DOS version Computers 1.00 PC 1.10 PC 2.00 PC, XT 2.10 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC 3.00 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC, AT 3.10 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC, AT Notes: DOS 3.00 does not support the 30MB IBM Personal Computer AT. DOS 2.00 or higher is required for fixed disk storage. DOS 3.10 or higher is required for operation on the IBM PC Network. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

28 years, 2 months

back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-28 00:28:34 EST, you write: << And, this is NOT only compaq, IBM is bit guilty on few of their late PS/1 486 with (soft power switch). Discovered Win95 would wedge in strange manner unless we got the proper cd from IBM for specific machines. Those machines were intended for LOW END users so they're usually bit oddball. >> later model ps1 machines had rapid resume, which was basically a suspended animation function essentially which i think bill gates wants to include in some PC9x specification to known as instant on or something like that. win95 should still be able to to work with that function. I know the ibm machine i'm using has the soft power switch and apm, and windont95 works fine with it. david

28 years, 2 months

Apple II GS

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I've been offered and Apple II GS. Anyone interested? I doubt it'll ever be rare... manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 2 months

Computers & Lysol

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

Why not put in baking soda, as with a refrigerator? Just don't spill it... > > Don't laugh. I'm getting complaints around here about one of my computers > > the SMS-1000 (PDP-11/73) smelling of mold and mildew,

28 years, 2 months

Interesting Find

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Found an interesting (at least to me) luggable/portable at the local thrift the other day. It's a Sharp PC-7100. Very compact and sharp (no pun) design. About half the size and weight of an old Compaq, with a detatchable keyboard, tiltable LCD screen, 5.25 floppy, 20 meg hard drive. It booted fine from the hard drive (MSDOS 3.2). I haven't taken the time to open it up and look inside, but I ran MSD from a floppy, and it reported the computer to be a Sharp/ERSO, 8088 or 8086 processor, 704k RAM. When I browsed the ROM memory, the result was: aVADEM-SHARP Personal Computer System Firmware Version 3.0B copyright 1985 Vadem Inc. I did a cursory search on the net for more information but came up empty, so if anyone can help with more info or docs for this one, I would appreciate it. BTW, the screen has a blue/purple sort of tint to it. Kind of attractive in a psychodelic sort of way ( oh please, no more drug-related threads <g>). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com

28 years, 2 months

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