If you ask me, drugs are a BAD idea. I mean, if it's not you, then it's not
you. I would rather be ME and be sitting in a basement, rather than some
powder, effectively turning my body into a slave.
Also, drugs are getting to be the past. Ask a group of junior-high
schoolers about drugs. 9 out of 10 will say that they're a mistake. As for
tobacco and alcohol, that's border-lined, but many are anti-tobacco, but
alcohol.... that's kind of next-generation. We're getting there.
Tim D. Hotze
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Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: PDP-8/Es available
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>>Uncle Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>> >>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29
>now
>>> >>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to
>get me
>>>
>>> >Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I
>can
>>> >remember them all, my web site is a partial listing.
>>>
>>> One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum
>of
>>> Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble.
>You
>>> don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and
>they
>>> don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't
>actively
>>> collecting anything in high school.)
>>
>>What exception? In high school I actively collected science fiction
>>books since computers weren't affordable yet to a high school kid -- I
>>wore a slide rule on my belt because (1) I used it (2) that honestly
>was
>>the easiest way to carry a Pickett and (3) the HP-35 came out in my
>>junior year of high school priced about $395.00 more than I had on
>hand.
>>
>(SNIP)
>If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though
>I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) than not
>do drugs and sit for years in the basement without seeing the light
>of day. It seems to me that since we all die anyway, might as well
>enjoy. I am not brave enough to take that approach, so I sit at my
>computer all day (when I am not at school-I am in 9th grade).
>
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Anyone know right off hand what the highest supported baud rate is for the
RS-232 on a CoCo 2 or CoCo 3? Asking for a friend who thinks she can use a
9600 baud external modem on it. (!)
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
Subject: Re: 99 cent store find...
> Every once in a while you actually find something cool at those places.
> There is a 99 cent clearance store (same chain as the one you went to
> Larry) near me where I found a bunch of mid 80s computer programming books
> (all in a series). The titles were like '6502 Assembly Language
> Programming' and 'Z-80 Assembly Language Programming', 'FORTH', some
> others.
Were those those thinnish hardback editions... I have come across
PILOT, FORTH, and TRS-80 Graphics... No 6502 Assembly though, better
check there again...
A couple years back I bought a couple 64 games books from another
discount store, I could easily tell why they were so cheap, some had
doubled or missing pages, or pages upside-down... oops.
> I bought all of them at $.99 each (about 35 in all) kept a set
> for myself and sold the rest on Usenet. I still have a few copies left if
> anyone's interested.
There are some things where you can never have too many. I find
Commodore datasette drives at a real low price is my particular
weakness...
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I just got some e-mail from a user who was thanking me for the PET FAQ
and directed me to a page where some Commodore stuff is (was) being
sold, of course he snagged the 8010 (PET) modem before he e-mailed but I
may had added a few precious books to me library. You may want to check
out the site at:
http://www.puppetgallery.com/compucat/sale/c64.html
Besides some nice pics of what he offered for sale (I think the drives,
cables, and 64 software are still available), the main page has an
interesting history of the couple's computer experiences over the years
(from buying one of the first PETs to having Lenoard Nimoy call his
BBS...)
Larry Anderson
P.S. the user who e-mailed me also has a notable page, especially if you
have any interest at all in the history of Commodore 64/128 BBS
programs... Check it out at: http://www.prismnet.com/~bo
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> Slot 8 on an XT
> is strange, and the card put in it needs to assert one of the pins (I
> think it's B8) during a read cycle. Just about the only card that does
> this is the IBM Async card
Um. My references tell me that the PC (thus, slot 5, nearest the P/S) is
peculiar, but nothing is strange with XT slot 8 -- at least, according to
my references.
FWIW, I've run a variety of cards in XT slot 8 and PC slot 5 with no
problems.
manney(a)nwohio.com
"Would a skinny ballerina wear a one-one?"
Wonderful things, but....
I was looking around on eBay, and found several things that cought my eye.
Hey, there's a Mac IIx 2/40 for $2! But pay another $20-50 more for
shipping? I could probably find it for the same price or cheaper locally.
Well, it will take some time... The most recent IIx I've seen for
sale(although much more RAM/HD) is $175. But I HAVE seen them around(before
I got interested in collecting computers) for anywhere from $10-500. It's a
crazy world... Everyone always asks me why I don't have a C64 or TRS-80 or
any of those type of computers. Well, I was offered a TRS-80 Model 4, I
offered $5 for it, he responded that he didn't even sell it when he was
offered $75 a few months earlier. I either run into people trashing or
giving away their computers(Series/1, Apple IIe, PS/2 Model 50Z) or they
want to sell them as antiques(and at prices much worse than any antique
store I'VE ever seen...). Would someone hurry up and invent a time machine?
Zip back about 5-10 years ago when people didn't really care either way and
pick up some collectors pieces for $5 and come back to the future where
people sell them for $500...
<sigh>
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
Anyone have an extra dBASE II manual they'd be willing to part with? I've
got dBASE II in ROM on one of my GRiDCASE 3 laptops, and would like to
learn more about it.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
That's easy... the IBM 5100 is well over 50 lbs.
Kai
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdenham(a)tgis.co.uk [SMTP:cdenham@tgis.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:35 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Mines heavy er than yours
>
> While moving some off my old computers around I wandered which was the
> heavy est luggable ever made so just for fun I got the bathroom
> scales out and weighted some off them .
> Commodore sx64 23 pounds
> Osbourne One 28 pounds
> Andromeda Zita D 44 pounds
>
> So lets have a fun competition , get those bathroom scales out and
> find out who made the heavey est luggable .
>
> Happy weighing
> Chris
>
> ps
> Any body got a boot disk for the Andromeda Zita D , I think its
> CPM based on a Raid its got 5 1/4 disks on it .
>No old computer is ever "dead". One shouldn't hold onto them only if they
>work. The point is to keep them around so that one can at least see and
>touch them, open them up and look at their circuitry. You can't do that
>with a picture obviously. All computers will eventually "die", but I'm
>not about to start burying them all. After all, they don't start
>decomposing and smelling bad. If you don't want to keep it, e-mail me
>privately and I'll pay to have it shipped to me and I'll hold onto it.
Sorry. :) I don't mean to say that I would dump it - simply that as I
cannot repair it myself, is it worth paying for someone to do that or
would I be better off just keeping it as a record, and looking at the
manuals as the main part of the deal (for now). Mostly I like to display
my computers as working systems (although I ran out of floorspace months
ago), and so prefer working models to broken ones. :) I figure that it is
better to have a computer working than broken, so long as I can afford to
get it fixed - but I refuse to trash any of my systems, no matter what
the problem. And this goes triple for anything that I only have one of
anyway!
I got very angry at a local dealer recently, for he trashed some 30
microbees 2 weeks before I got there. I had been searching for a
Microbee for about 6 months, and he was supposed to sell second-hand
8-bit systems as his business. He said he never liked Microbees anyway.
:( I finally got one, but if I could have saved those others I would
have been able to offer them (for shipping) to the list. Microbees, for
those who haven't heard of them, are neat little cp/m systems that were
designed and built in Australia - not many computers were made here,
although there were a few, but the Microbee would be one of the two most
significant locally made computers.
Adam.
Does anyone have a remedy for bad case yellowing? I have the suspicion
that it's a permanent chemical change, but I thought it might be worth a
shot. For most of the systems, I don't really mind and for some, it adds
to the character. The only one that's bugging me is my Atari 800xl, which
was my first real "programming" computer.
Thanks,
Aaron
Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> wrote:
> At 15:33 1/28/98 +1100, Huw Davies wrote:
> >....I seem to remember
> >that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm
> >this?
>
> Well, that's not a combo I've run, but if a Europlus will do it, any ][+
> should do it, the implication being that you need 48K RAM. (32K mainboard
> and the Language Card?? Help me out here....)
48KB on the motherboard, and the Language Card or equivalent 16KB RAM
card. The canonical configuration is a Language Card in slot 0 with a
16-pin DIP jumper installed between a socket on the card and a the
upper-left motherboard RAM socket (the RAM chip gets relocated to the
card), but of course there were many compatible memory cards.
I don't recall any reason why you couldn't do this on an Apple
][, but I know I did it on a Rev 7 ][+, and a friend had done
it on an earlier rev (4?) ][+ that still had the 4K/16K jumper
blocks on the motherboard. Obviously they were all set for 16K
(as you must have 48KB on the motherboard).
-Frank McConnell
I just acquired a PS/2 Model 25, the one with an integrated monitor and
8086. The reason it was being thrown away was that while it starts up
fine, the MCGA monitor eventually becomes tinted red and blurry. If I
turn it off and let it sit for a few minutes, then turn it on, it will
work fine again. What is the problem? Can I solve it without the risk of
shorting
capacitors and blowing myself halfway across the room?
My understading is that this machine needs no reference disks, but
can I use a hard drive > 20MB? It never mentions it on IBM's site.
Lastly, does anyone have any of the original stuff for it, ie software,
manuals, etc.
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At 03:33 PM 1/28/98 +1100, you wrote:
>To add some "on-topic" content to this e-mail:
>
>One of the seminal articles I remember reading in Byte (in the good old
>days :-)
>was one by Carl Helmers talking about setting up an Apple II to run UCSD
>Pascal. I'm slowly assembling all the necessary bits but I seem to remember
>that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm
>this? Preferably someone running UCSD Pascal on an Apple II...
>
> Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au
If you know which issue it was, I may be able to look it up.
Joe
>
Don't laugh. I'm getting complaints around here about one of my computers
the SMS-1000 (PDP-11/73) smelling of mold and mildew, and have been asked
to either remove it, or spray it down with Lysol. How safe is it to spray
a computer down with Lysol? Obviously I'd not run it for a while if I do.
Zane
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On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:03:21 -0600 (CST), Uncle Roger
<sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote:
> It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming.
>>Can't disagree there...
Well, I should clarify. I'm sure that they did see it coming. A buyout
of some form was headed for DEC like a Conrail freight train traveling at
100 mph. I'm not too well-versed with DEC's current product line, but I get
the impression that, while good quality and adequate performers, there is
nothing very distinguishing.
>Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies.
>>Huh? What about HP? Still going strong with the HP3000 (ca. 1972?).
I probably shouldn't have said "last" either. Wasn't DEC part of the
original "seven dwarfs" of early computing? I think that IBM was "Snow
White" and there were seven other mini/main companies right behind it. When
I said "old line," I was thinking along the lines of Sperry and Burroughs
and not HP or IBM.
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- ClubWin Charter Member (6)
- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
At 06:33 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
> It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming.
Can't disagree there...
>Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies.
Huh? What about HP? Still going strong with the HP3000 (ca. 1972?).
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At 15:33 1/28/98 +1100, Huw Davies wrote:
>....I seem to remember
>that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm
>this?
Well, that's not a combo I've run, but if a Europlus will do it, any ][+
should do it, the implication being that you need 48K RAM. (32K mainboard
and the Language Card?? Help me out here....)
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
I'll take it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Apple II GS
>On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, PG Manney wrote:
>
>> I've been offered and Apple II GS. Anyone interested? I doubt it'll ever
be
>> rare...
>
>Doesn't matter. Its a fun computer to play with and hack on. Someone
>should take PG up on this.
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
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At 06:29 PM 1/26/98 PST, you wrote:
>Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything, usually with
>about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
>did they put in there?
The MicroSloth License Agreement. 8^)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
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At 03:01 PM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
>FastLynx: A program from RUPP corporation, alot like LapLink, except
>with a much simpler (and easier to use) user interface (IMHO). The
>program died off though, as Lap Link became more popular (I still
>don't understand why). If you used the serial link, it could upload
>itself to the target machine. I still use it.
I think it died out because of the gawdawful color of their cables. 8^)
(Some horrid shade of Red, iirc?) Actually, I had both, and preferred
LapLink. Haven't used FastLynx in about 10 years.
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I think I have 2 of these somewhere, but called PC7000's. One with a HDD and
the other with 2 FDD's. No Docs unfortunately.
I think they have some unusual distinction, the first backlit LCD screen
maybe (from memory).
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Gregory <cgregory(a)lrbcg.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 28 January 1998 10:24
Subject: Interesting Find
>Found an interesting (at least to me) luggable/portable at the local thrift
>the other day. It's a Sharp PC-7100. Very compact and sharp (no pun)
>design. About half the size and weight of an old Compaq, with a
detatchable
>keyboard, tiltable LCD screen, 5.25 floppy, 20 meg hard drive. It booted
>fine from the hard drive (MSDOS 3.2).
>
>I haven't taken the time to open it up and look inside, but I ran MSD from
a
>floppy, and it reported the computer to be a Sharp/ERSO, 8088 or 8086
>processor, 704k RAM. When I browsed the ROM memory, the result was:
>aVADEM-SHARP Personal Computer System Firmware Version 3.0B copyright 1985
>Vadem Inc.
>
>I did a cursory search on the net for more information but came up empty,
so
>if anyone can help with more info or docs for this one, I would appreciate
>it. BTW, the screen has a blue/purple sort of tint to it. Kind of
>attractive in a psychodelic sort of way ( oh please, no more drug-related
>threads <g>).
>
>Cliff Gregory
>cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
>
>
>
Andrew Gammuto said:
>I never saw anybody use the cassette port for practical purposes. In fact, I
>never saw a cassette drive from IBM. Good trivia question. Has anybody >ever
>seen one? I do remember reading something years ago about hobbyists >using
>the cassette port for plugging in wierd hardware hacks.
I don't think IBM would have made cassette recorders.
IBM made a cassette adapter cable for the IBMPCjr, but I don't think
one was ever made for the PC.
Pero, Jason D. said:
>The orignals were lower density like 320k each at first but quickly
>gone after XT came out with standard 360k drive or two, or floppy and
>10mb HD.
It was DOS 2.0 that increased the formatted capacity from 320K to 360K.
---------------------------------------------
Fun Fact:
( system requirement chart for DOS from
the IBM Personal Computer Software Library
booklet,1985)
DOS version Computers
1.00 PC
1.10 PC
2.00 PC, XT
2.10 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC
3.00 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC, AT
3.10 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC, AT
Notes: DOS 3.00 does not support the 30MB IBM
Personal Computer AT. DOS 2.00 or higher is
required for fixed disk storage. DOS 3.10 or
higher is required for operation on the IBM
PC Network.
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
In a message dated 98-01-28 00:28:34 EST, you write:
<< And, this is NOT only compaq, IBM is bit guilty on few of their late
PS/1 486 with (soft power switch). Discovered Win95 would wedge in
strange manner unless we got the proper cd from IBM for specific
machines. Those machines were intended for LOW END users so they're
usually bit oddball.
>>
later model ps1 machines had rapid resume, which was basically a suspended
animation function essentially which i think bill gates wants to include in
some PC9x specification to known as instant on or something like that. win95
should still be able to to work with that function. I know the ibm machine i'm
using has the soft power switch and apm, and windont95 works fine with it.
david
Why not put in baking soda, as with a refrigerator? Just don't spill it...
> > Don't laugh. I'm getting complaints around here about one of my
computers
> > the SMS-1000 (PDP-11/73) smelling of mold and mildew,
Found an interesting (at least to me) luggable/portable at the local thrift
the other day. It's a Sharp PC-7100. Very compact and sharp (no pun)
design. About half the size and weight of an old Compaq, with a detatchable
keyboard, tiltable LCD screen, 5.25 floppy, 20 meg hard drive. It booted
fine from the hard drive (MSDOS 3.2).
I haven't taken the time to open it up and look inside, but I ran MSD from a
floppy, and it reported the computer to be a Sharp/ERSO, 8088 or 8086
processor, 704k RAM. When I browsed the ROM memory, the result was:
aVADEM-SHARP Personal Computer System Firmware Version 3.0B copyright 1985
Vadem Inc.
I did a cursory search on the net for more information but came up empty, so
if anyone can help with more info or docs for this one, I would appreciate
it. BTW, the screen has a blue/purple sort of tint to it. Kind of
attractive in a psychodelic sort of way ( oh please, no more drug-related
threads <g>).
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com