I originally said it, but your email dosnt work manny.
-----Original Message-----
From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.nwohio.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Apple II GS
>
>> I'll take it!
>
>Who said dat?
>
>manney(a)nwohio.com
>"Why are manhole covers round?"
>
I don't even know what Turbo Prolog is.
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Development, round II
>Gee, I was hoping for a Turbo Prolog trade.....Whatcha got???
>
>.,.
> v
>
>-Mike
>
>
>
>Hotze wrote:
>
>> BTW, if no one else wants it, can I have the OS/2 2.1?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim D. Hotze
>OS/2 Warp was 386, as I recall. 2.1, I can't remember, 1.2 was 286.
>You might need a 386 for the Program Manager, But I don't recall. I
>still have copies of 2.1 and 1.2, if you need to know....
Well, the phrase is OS/2 Warp IS, they're still selling it, *and* making a
new version, hopefully this one will be MS compatible, which gave IBM the
advantage over Windows 3.1
OS/2 Warp is a strange 32-bit OS, it RECOMMENDS a 386 or better, but
doesn't REQUIRE a 386 or better.
BTW, if no one else wants it, can I have the OS/2 2.1?
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
I looked in my never used copy of os2 version 1.3 standard edition and found
no mention of rexx so maybe it arrived in version 2.x but i'm not opening my
shrinkwrapped version to find out! minimum requirements for 1.3 are a 286,
2meg, and 12 meg of hdd space.
david
In a message dated 98-01-28 23:22:35 EST, you write:
<< OS/2 Warp was 386, as I recall. 2.1, I can't remember, 1.2 was 286.
You might need a 386 for the Program Manager, But I don't recall. I
still have copies of 2.1 and 1.2, if you need to know....
-Mike
Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote:
>
> > >REXX on a PC? >>
I got an E-mail from a fellow in New Zealand (don(a)daedalus.co.nz) who
needs info on the 20ma current loop hookup used in the old ASR-33 Teletype
machines. If anyone on here can help, please respond to him directly. Thanks!
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At 05:15 AM 1/29/98 +0300, you wrote:
>Two things: One, the person that said that appeared as the "from" on the
>e-mail. ClassicCmp appears as the "to."
>>"Why are manhole covers round?"
>So that you can put them in any direction, without worrying about turning to
>fit it in.
> Tim D. Hotze
>
>
Actually, it's the only shape that won't let them fall through the hole, no
matter which way you turn it....
Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote:
> I've heard of those drives but I don't think this is for a drive. The
> only connector on it is a three pin plug that is accessable through a hole
> in the metal bracket. There is one 20 pin DIP socket that might be used
> for a connector but it looks like it's for an IC.
This is an Omninet interface. 1Mbit/s RS-422 twisted-pair bus
networking.
The interfaces for the Apple ][ (a card) and Corvus Concept (built-in)
have 6801s to actually do the work of moving packets between the
computer and the Omninet. I'm not sure if that's what is missing from
your 20 pin DIP socket or if it was intended to hold a BIOS extension
ROM to let the PC boot over Omninet.
-Frank McConnell
At 10:40 PM 1/28/98 EST, you wrote:
>I've got an 1129, but im keeping it. anyone know of a way of clearing the
>passwoid? when i choose various apps from the menus, it prompts for one and
>after i key in the wrong one, it brings me back tothe initial menu. i cannot
>get into anything.
Aw, c'mon! Wouldn't you rather have a password free GRiDCase 3? :) I'd say
disconnect the CMOS battery, but I don't think they have a CMOS setup. :)
The 1100 I had was running Dos 2.11, but the GRiDCASE 3 runs GRiD-OS or
MS-DOS 2.11, and no passwords on the GRiD-OS apps. This is one problem that
I see all the time, either passwords set on the GRiD-OS apps, password set
on setup, or just a password on startup. (You can tell these were gov't
contract machines.)
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
I have a Computone 4(?) port card. long 16 bit ISA bus with 4 RJ11
ports and 2 RJ45 ports. its a 1989 Computone with some proms marked
"AT6S"
Looks like it was manu'd in 7/92
Anyone have any ideas or specs?
THeres 2 Z0853006PSCs and an AM8530H, and a NEC D70216L-8 V50
Need info on real purpose and uses, jumpers and switches, thanks
Mike
I understand that these messages are a major bother, but I have a problem. What is the address to send the "unsubscribe" email to?
I tried using one of the search engines, and came up with this URL:
http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/join.html
However, this link appears to not be working... and for some time (I would not have simply gone to this site for one or two days, and reported it down... but it's been two weeks.)
Can anyone help me?
You're direct email response is VERY welcome... and appreciated.
- Ed (edhaack(a)ionet.net)
> >REXX on a PC? I think I have heard (very dimly) of this (there was
> >something called REXX-88 or some such name when I was at IBM) but I
> >haven't used REXX for years! What does it run on? Will it run on a
> >Compaq 386? An IBM AT?
> You can probably find REXX in a lot of places... There's even a shareware
> version on Macintosh. And if there's an old IBM programming language on a
> Mac, it's almost definitley on a lot of other platforms. Did REXX start on
> the IBM mini/mainframes or is it from somewhere else? Has anyone seen a
> copy of Cobol for Mac? MicroFocus used to make it, but it seems the Cobol
> crowd has abondoned Macintosh...
Thanks everyone for their help. I shall sometime consider PC-DOS with
REXX as an environment for my AT or possibly one of my Compaqs... Am I
right in thinking that OS/2 _won't_ run on an AT?
ORIGINS OF REXX
I met REXX in what I believe to be its native habitat - as the macro
language for VM/CMS running on an IBM 370 descendant mainframe. It
replaced a language called EXEC2, whose main distinguishing feature was
% signs everywhere (although I can't remember what they meant). This in
turn replaced a language called (you guessed it) EXEC. REXX is/was
quite a nice language to use, but some features rendered it unsuitable
for serious programming - numbers, for example, are stored as strings of
digits in the character code of the machine you are using...
Philip.
I've got an 1129, but im keeping it. anyone know of a way of clearing the
passwoid? when i choose various apps from the menus, it prompts for one and
after i key in the wrong one, it brings me back tothe initial menu. i cannot
get into anything.
david
In a message dated 98-01-28 22:16:08 EST, you write:
<< Anyone ever hear of a GRiD Server? Want info/specs/etc.
Also, if anyone out there has a GRiD Compass 11xx,
I will trade a GRiDCASE 3 for it. Oh, either that, or
will trade for an external floppy for the GRiD 1535exp.
>>
I'll take it too
-----Original Message-----
From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.nwohio.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Apple II GS
>
>> I'll take it!
>
>Who said dat?
>
>manney(a)nwohio.com
>"Why are manhole covers round?"
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Who among you collects mainframes? I couldn't resist asking in light of the
"what's the heaviest portable" thread, because the CPU of IBM System/3 Model
15 I have weighs 1800 lbs.
This list community has already dealt with the question of why collect
mainframes, so let's try to avoid a repeat performance and stick to
answering the lead question.
Many mainframe collectors aren't on the Internet (and frankly, they tell me,
they don't miss it). These people are retired and grew up with big iron so
its natural for them to be drawn to mainframes.
I have the Sys/3 and an IBM 360/22 (complete systems including keypunches
and boxes of unused 80-column cards).
Yours in good faith
Kevin
Anyone ever hear of a GRiD Server? Want info/specs/etc.
Also, if anyone out there has a GRiD Compass 11xx,
I will trade a GRiDCASE 3 for it. Oh, either that, or
will trade for an external floppy for the GRiD 1535exp.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
Peter Prymmer wrote:
> bloatware - but some of that is quite fun. e.g. PC-DOS can be optionally
> installed with Rexx and I chose that option. I also have a couple of
> different DPMI's available including the one for DJGPP.
REXX on a PC? I think I have heard (very dimly) of this (there was
something called REXX-88 or some such name when I was at IBM) but I
haven't used REXX for years! What does it run on? Will it run on a
Compaq 386? An IBM AT?
Philip.
> Who among you collects mainframes? I couldn't resist asking in light of the
> "what's the heaviest portable" thread, because the CPU of IBM System/3 Model
> 15 I have weighs 1800 lbs.
I expect the heaviest unit I have on wheels is the IBM 709 CPU, in
addition to its size and steel frame the whole back end is covered with
filament transformers to light the tubes. I can roll it around on a
level concrete floor OK, but its a good idea to avoid the cracks or at
least roll it crooked (so only one wheel sees a crack at a time, and not
straight on) and keep the speed up. But there are other contenders - the
709 power supply units, the motor-generator set for the 7094, the 407
accounting machine, etc. I don't know what any of these weigh off hand
and don't have the installation manuals handy. There exist larger units
(e.g. old CDC mainframes even apart are in large, very tall pieces; the
assembled 709 memory is a T about 4 times the floor space of the CPU)
but they tend not to have casters. I wonder what a more recent
water-cooled machine (e.g. 3090) weighs, the TCU's (thermal conduction
units) can't be very light.
On other subjects
- a common source of serious mildew smell is the absolute filter in a
disk drive. I would check that first.
- I'm reasonably certain you can still get blank punch cards. The last
bunch I bought maybe 10 years ago cost $75 for 10,000. I've been meaning
to get some more now that the collection has a dry home and will try to
remember to post info.
Paul
http://www.teleport.com/~prp/collect/
We were discussing Frogger a month or so ago. I've found a shareware (DOS)
version available. If anyone misses it as much as I, it's at
http://users.deltanet.com/users/phixus/kgames/rof.html
along with other classic arcade games. Registration is $10
manney(a)nwohio.com
>My understading is that this machine needs no reference disks, but
> >can I use a hard drive > 20MB? It never mentions it on IBM's site.
I successfully installed a 3 1/2" ST-506/412 drive (a Seagate, IIRC), which
worked OK. Has to be 3 1/2" because it fits in the floppy bay. You have to
find a controller card which has the power output because the floppies take
power off the drive cable.
I think you could bodge it to take a hardcard in one of the expansion
slots.
manney
The Model 25 takes the cake for the world's most stupidly designed PC --
and the hardest to work on.
> well, you could get your 5150 in several different flavours: one, two or
no
> floppy drives.
You could actually get four, supported by the motherboard switches. ($529
each, IIRC) There was some sort of expansion box, or you could get external
drives. I presume that's what the connector on the back of the FDD
controller was for.
manney
There's a lever/spring mechanism that shoves the floppy out when the disk
"carriage" is up and aligned with the slot in the case. When you put in a
disk, it extends the spring, the lever latches, and a microswitch activates
the motor that draws the carriage down. I expect that either the spring is
broke or the lever connected to it is bent. The previous owner probably
shoved in a floppy upside down or backwards and had to wrench it out using
brute force.
Dont laugh. I know someone who repairs machines for a living with GE (they
do repair for Circuit City and others), and he once found a slice of
american cheese in a floppy drive (guess it was a 5-1/4 inch unit). Coins
inside the drives and case are also common sources of PC/Mac repairs. Kids-
you gotta love 'em.
Anyway- the mechanism would go back down after failing to eject. The switch
contacts are still closed, and that's what it's designed to do - keep
running the motor.
You might be able to fix it with a pair of small needlenose pliers if the
spring is not broke. You will have to remove the drive to do this. Be
careful with that paper clip! You could hose up the head, or send a minute
electrical charge through your body that could affect your ability to
reproduce in the future. Unless you are really good with working on tiny
mechanical parts, save yourself the headache and replace the drive.
-----Original Message-----
From: SUPRDAVE <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 11:16 PM
Subject: back ontopic: mac 400k drive.
>part of my new additions last week was a bunch of old mac stuff. i finally
got
>one of the 400k drives, but its having eject problems. the mechanism was
stuck
>so now im able to get a disk in, but when i call it to eject, the motor
turns,
>the disk lifts up to the slot, but wont pop out, then the mechanism goes
back
>down in position to read the disk. it does the same thing when i use a
paper
>clip; it will go up, the disk will stay in, then it goes back down into
read
>position. amazingly, the drive works fine otherwise. i dont quite
understand
>the mechanicals of it, anyone have ideas?
>
>david
>
Hi!
Recently I tried advertising for obsolete computers in a national
computer trading magazine, and it has paid off well. But I just got a
phone call today regarding an old Smelter near Mt Gambier in South
Australia. Apparantly they had a huge pile of old computer equipment,
and they went through and sold off the relativly new stuff. What they
have left is a whole lot of old stuff (around 15 years+) includig a huge
number of PCs and XTs, XT laptops, terminals, a mainframe, "a hard-drive
as big as a computer", terminals, and, presumably, a volume of non-dos
stuff. The guy I talked to has no idea what it all is, just that they
want to get rid of it really cheap. It's too much for me to handle on my
own, and it certainly is nowhere near where I live - would anyone else be
at all interested too?
Adam
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: Re[3]: Development, round II
Roger Merchberger wrote:
!>REXX is/was
!>quite a nice language to use, but some features rendered it unsuitable
!>for serious programming - numbers, for example, are stored as strings of
!>digits in the character code of the machine you are using...
!
!Uh, Sir Philip?
!
!Maybe there are other reasons that your statement of unsuitability stands,
!but I can think of one programming language that's very handy (& powerful &
!serious) which stores it's digits as charcter codes: Perl. From experience
!I can tell you that one heckuva lot more stuff gets done with Perl on the
!WWW than Java -- and it's a lot easier to pgm. in.
!
!Guess what! This is still ontopic for this list... there's a version of
!Java for almost every 16-bit or higher machine available -- including a
!native version that runs on an Atari ST... (version 4.035 and I think you
!need a meg to run it -- I've done it!)
But Perl is 10 years old and Java is not. It is still quite easy to
distinguish a perl scalar that contains a numeric value from one that does
not. From the old FAQ you add 0 to see if the thing remains unchanged:
$ perl -e '$s = "a"; if ($s + 0 eq $s) {print "num"} else {print "string"}'
string
$ perl -e '$s = "1"; if ($s + 0 eq $s) {print "num"} else {print "string"}'
num
See also "perlfaq4: Data:Misc: How do I determine whether a scalar is a
number/whole/integer/float?" at
http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/doc/FAQs/FAQ/PerlFAQ.html
for a whole slew of regular expressions for numbers.
BTW Tcl runs on a bunch of platforms and treats many things like strings as
well (hence it requires the expr() call for numeric evaluation and has
trouble with data containing embedded nulls (whereas perl does not)).
Apologies to folks (such as myself :) who tire of language wars though.
If the original poster wanted to run Rexx I say let them.
Peter Prymmer
(Someone who just spent a great deal of time porting perl to MVS recently)
On average, were most external floppies that used a db25 connector, pretty
much standard, as in interchangable? I'm basically talking along the lines
of mid-80's laptops. I've got a GRiD 1535exp that has a db25 connector on
the back for an external floppy, the left bottom most pin on the connector
is plugged up. Any ideas? Anyone?
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
