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by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:35 PM 1/28/98 GMT, you wrote: >A friend is heavily into classic cars; he says a car depreciates >typically until it hits a low at about 13 years, after which its' >value rises. Computers probably do the same pattern although the time >probably varies. The trick is to know when the machine hits bottom and >which will go up from there. (If it climbs slowly, there's no hurry) Not anymore. There's no way all these Pentium systems out today will ever be worth anything, at least not in 13 years, IMHO. Maybe in about 30 years, when most have been destroyed will they be truly worth something as an classic. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Sage IV microcomputer

by d_w_edwards＠hotmail.com

Please, someone help me! I have acquired, free of charge, a Sage Iv microcomputer circa 1983. Specification is : 512K RAM, 12MB hard drive, 1 x 5 1/4 inch floppy drive. I need help with : Group A/B microswitch settings, cable to connect to the serial port of an Amiga A600, serial comms settings, and what I am likely to find on the Sage IV once it's up and running. So far, it appears sane (Processor light blinks meaningfully) but without a terminal connection, I'm completely in the dark. I really would like to get this machine up and running because it was my dream machine circa 1982/1983, and I lusted after one of these for years. Unfortunately I couldn't afford the £7,000 price tag (U.K./British prices - always worse than American prices!) so it remained a dream - until now! Anyone with the relevant technical expertise please e-mail me at: d_w_edwards(a)hotmail.com. HELP!!!! Thank you for your time and consideration. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

eBay and online auctions

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Actually, though, building a Transputer system is pretty easy. I did so <back in 1989 (so it's not quite a classic). The time from opening the <data book to having the machine boot was about 30 minutes!. That was <using bare chips, not TRAMs as well. Now the transputer is one that I never got to play with but would have liked to. Allison

28 years, 2 months

Computone Port Card

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 21:06 28/01/98 -0700, you wrote: >I have a Computone 4(?) port card. long 16 bit ISA bus with 4 RJ11 >ports and 2 RJ45 ports. >Need info on real purpose and uses, jumpers and switches, thanks I have several Computone still in use. What I can say: They are Multiport card used mainly to hook several tty-devices to a xenix/unix box. Usually these cards have an external multiport (DB25) small box connected. In latest version I thnk they used space-saving RJ's Are you shure they are true RJ11? (or they are DEC RJ with side ?) ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

28 years, 2 months

FW: PDP-8 or 11 wanted in Idaho

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Anyone help this fellow out? If so, please respond directly to him. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Path: Supernews70!Supernews73!supernews.com!news.he.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.16!news-incoming.cyberhighway.net!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "HeVi@rTi" <heviarti(a)cyberhighway.net> Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: wanted. PDP 8 or 11/45 /50 /65 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:48:20 -0800 Organization: wouldn't you like to know Lines: 4 Message-ID: <34D4DF93.1DB4(a)cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.139.62.220 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) Xref: Supernews70 alt.sys.pdp11:2976 looking for pdp-11's in idaho. also after pdp-8's my uncle needs a smallmainframe, and i figure an 8 or 11 will do the trick...mebbe pop a few vt-100s on.. heviarti(a)cyberhighway.net -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 2 months

Stuff, while we're at it...

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I'd be interested in the Mac stuff manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 2 months

Apple //e

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I'd like to find a copy of metal or modem MGR. anyone have copies of either? david In a message dated 98-01-31 15:54:59 EST, you write: << Some things that I would like to find are an Apple //e system, a copy of Networks II BBS, and a copy of Nexus BBS. I'm pretty sure that along my travels I will eventually find the Apple //e but I don't know if I have a chance of finding either piece of software. >>

28 years, 2 months

Development, round II

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i ran version 3.0 on a 386dx40 and wasnt bad, although it took almost 10 minutes to restore an archive! i had it running on a dx2-80 with 8 meg, and was pretty snappy. it was interesting to place the swap file on the second hard drive, so you could hear when vm was being used. Ive experimented with version 4.0 but setting up my nic and a pnp soundblaster was difficult. thankfully, there are plenty of os2 advocates out there in comp.sys.os2.* that can help out. os2 trivia: os2 had a START command way before BILLGe thought of it! david In a message dated 98-01-31 10:36:27 EST, you write: << I ran OS/2 v. 2 on a friends system (and helped him with the memory upgrade from 16 to 32 meg). I also ran the Rexx gopher server on version 3 (Warp) on a system with 16 Megs of RAM. I never ran Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 on either machine so I cannot make a direct comparison (Win NT 3.51 was running on the latter machine long enough to allow setting up the OS/2 installation). We also played around with the Voice control on a beta release of Merlin (thanks for reminding me of the code name) but that machine was eventually pressed into service running NT (I never saw it after that). The advice of "you should have more than 4 MB RAM" was taken from my friend (who is still quite the OS/2 zealot) and I thought that I had read it in the paperback version of the OS/2 FAQ as well - but I could easily be mistaken about that latter source. I am quite glad to hear that your performance was so good with only 4 MB - great OS isn't it? >>

28 years, 2 months

"i"486

by mallison＠konnections.com

The "i" (intel) prefix is an intel copyright. It has been used, afaik since the beginning, esp the 80x86 series, as this is the iAXP series of microprocessor. Many took to using "x86" notation to avoid the copyright issues of "i86" -Mike Allison

28 years, 2 months

Development, round II

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>BTW What is Warp? Is it the OS/2 windowing system? If so, why would I >want to use it at all, let alone on a 286? ;-) Yes, it is. Actually, if I remember, it came out in 1994, but it could have been early 1995, but definately PRE WINDOWS '95! You might want to use it for several reasons: If you've got software for it. There's WordPerfect for Warp, Netscape Navigator for Warp, amongst others. Actually, if you ask me, Warp's more of a competitor to NT than '95, as it's definately not consumer-oriented. It features a *nice* plug and play system. Actually, the interface on the older Warp's looks AMAZINGLY like Windows '95, which makes me wonder if it was copied, and who copied who. Theoretically, IBM's designing a completely new version of OS/2 Warp, called 'Bluebird' or something. This is a guess, but it's probably going to be NT as well as '95 compatible, plus rock-solid stability, much better than NT. The reason that we're using Windows as opposed to OS/2 is (in my opinion) because IBM did two things: With Windows 3.0 and 3.1, they waited until AFTER the MS release, and made it Windows compatible. They had relatively high success, but they weren't happy with it. So, with the 32 bit version, they released BEFORE Windows, but ruined all their success. The advantage is that if you want to run Windows 3.x apps with the current version of OS/2, you get 32 bit performance, compatiblity, and many of the features of a "next-generation" operating system. It's a good alternitive for people who want a Windows look and feel, but without the "Microsoft" beofore the name. I could be wrong on most/all of this, so please feel free to correct me. Hope that his helps, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 2 months

Win 3.0

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>(Does anyone else think that the sounds made by old MFM drives is really >cool??) Yep. I think that some sound like "lasers" or optical devices of some sort. Still make me feel like I'm living in the future. Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 2 months

Development, round II

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<1. The AT had been deliberately set up so that it couldn't make one of <the transitions between modes - IBM were being paranoid and thinking of <crackers having a back door - but this "feature" was removed in the <PS/2. Incorrect. the I286 has real and protected modes and intel for some wacky reason gave you a way to go from real to protected but not back. The only way to get to real mode agan was...reset! <2. Intel had a fault on a large batch of 286s that couldn't do some of <the things you'd expect. IBM bought a job lot on the cheap and stuck <them in XT286s. Nope, xt286 was a way to put a cheap system of slightly higher performance out there using slower parts. Allison

28 years, 2 months

EPROM programmers

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 02:34 PM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I have a very old e-prom programmer that uses this CPU. I'm hanging >on to it as it's the only programmer I have that can handle 2708's! I may be in the market for an e-prom programmer soon. I've never operated one before, so I don't know everything that is involved, but I'm looking for something that I can use to first read the ROMs and then copy them. Something with a PC interface and software would be nice too. What's the price range on these units? I've never even priced them. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:29 AM 2/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >The best way to deal with that is to create a diversion: place an old >keyboard on the floor and let the little one play with it. >It works for a while;) Been there, done that. :) That's one good thing about having a GRiD laptop laying around: I can give her a working computer to play with, and know I'll get a working computer back. Note: This is Ontopic, since it deals with the preservation of my old computers! :) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

IBM PC/XT-286

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

My 3 year old is already telling me how to use "HER" sofware! and my 15 month old plays a lot with my test equipment (there are more buttons). I got my daughter started on a VIC20 then she moved to a PC (she loved maing it beep). Gotta find a list for Kids and computer learning :) -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Christopher Finney <aaron(a)orr.wfi-inc.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 11:42 AM Subject: Re: C-64c probs >I have two little ones, 2 /12 years and 15 months, and I try to get them as involved with this stuff as possible. My older guy loves to help me clean and restore the systems, as well as play games and simple learning progs (I have to admit that he's not turning out to be normal, he's got quite a knack for the stuff already). I wrote a nice program for the younger guy for the Atari 8, it divides the keyboard into 4 sections and a different colour/sound part executes depending on which quadrant he touches. He's already learned to be gentle with the keybards, so nothing gets hurt and he's learning how to use a computer! My older son learned the same way, and I just gradually made more sections of the keyboard until now he can type any letter or number on the keyboard (we're working on the other characters). > >Why all this rambling? And what does it have to do with classic computers? Well, my dad had his hobbies that were "adult stuff" and I was excluded (collecting old rifles). Older computers are a fun hobby for me, but are also something that lets me invest time with my kids and teaches them skills that will give them an advantage in life. Older computers, especially the ones that are so plentiful and inexpensive right now (C64's, Ataris, etc) are perfect for teaching them this stuff. I admit that I would be a little nervous about leaving my new Dell laptop on the floor for them to play with, but what can they do to an 800XL? And even if they manage to break it somehow, what is $25 when compared to what they're learning? So don't just try to divert them with a junk keyboard, put some time into helping them learn to use the stuff too. Believe me, 15 months is *not* too young, and it will save you a lot of yelling and frustration when they're terrible two! > >Aaron

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by aaron＠orr.wfi-inc.com

I have two little ones, 2 /12 years and 15 months, and I try to get them as involved with this stuff as possible. My older guy loves to help me clean and restore the systems, as well as play games and simple learning progs (I have to admit that he's not turning out to be normal, he's got quite a knack for the stuff already). I wrote a nice program for the younger guy for the Atari 8, it divides the keyboard into 4 sections and a different colour/sound part executes depending on which quadrant he touches. He's already learned to be gentle with the keybards, so nothing gets hurt and he's learning how to use a computer! My older son learned the same way, and I just gradually made more sections of the keyboard until now he can type any letter or number on the keyboard (we're working on the other characters). Why all this rambling? And what does it have to do with classic computers? Well, my dad had his hobbies that were "adult stuff" and I was excluded (collecting old rifles). Older computers are a fun hobby for me, but are also something that lets me invest time with my kids and teaches them skills that will give them an advantage in life. Older computers, especially the ones that are so plentiful and inexpensive right now (C64's, Ataris, etc) are perfect for teaching them this stuff. I admit that I would be a little nervous about leaving my new Dell laptop on the floor for them to play with, but what can they do to an 800XL? And even if they manage to break it somehow, what is $25 when compared to what they're learning? So don't just try to divert them with a junk keyboard, put some time into helping them learn to use the stuff too. Believe me, 15 months is *not* too young, and it will save you a lot of yelling and frustration when they're terrible two! Aaron

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 02:16 AM 2/1/98 +0930, adam(a)merlin.net.au wrote: >>At 10:02 AM 2/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>>Assuming the drive's device number has not been changed from eight, then the >>>correct command is LOAD "*", 8, 1 >> >>What's the differenct between "$" and "*"? I've seen both used in this >>context. How does one change a device number? I'm not Commodore expert. The >>only other Commodore product I've had is a C-16, and that seems like ages >>ago. > >"$" loads the file directory from the disk, and you use "list" to see >what files are on it. "*" loads the first program on the disk, and I >assume the ,1 is to either load an assembly program, or to automatically >run the file once loaded. The ,8 is the device number - thus try, say, >,9. :) LOAD"*",8,1 will load the last program loaded. If there was none, it will then load the first program on the disk. The ",1" is what is called the relocate flag. When it is notr there (or ",0") it tells the 64(or any commodore) to load the program at wherever the BASIC memory space starts. A ",1" tells it to load the program into whatever area of memory from which it was saved. (Usually used for machine language) This is why you get a screwed up screen if you use LOAD"$",8,1 to get a directory. To change a devce number on the 1541 (1571, 1581 too) use: OPEN 15,"dn",15 PRINT#15,"M-W"CHR$(119)CHR$(0)CHR$(2)CHR$("New Device Number" + 32)CHR$("New Device Number" +64) CLOSE 15 "dn" is the current device number of your drive (probably 8) and "New Device Number" is the number you want to change it to. (Anything from 9-127 or so I think) Les

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

The best way to deal with that is to create a diversion: place an old keyboard on the floor and let the little one play with it. It works for a while;) >I'll try it next time I get the system out to play with it. We've got an 19 >month old running around now, and something like the Commodore with it's >multiple cables and pieces is a prime target for her. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Auradon. Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

28 years, 2 months

Mac printer on PC (slightly off topic)

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Hi, Is there a way to hook up an old Mac printer to a PC? Any kind of adapter serial or parallel will do. It's an old PC and an old printer;) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Auradon. Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Load "*",8,1 loads the first program found on the disk; I'm not sure what load "$" does, if anything. To change the device number in a 1541 is not difficult, but it is a PITA because you must open the drive and cut through one or more connections. It is also semi-permanent in that you need to solder the connection back to reverse the procedure. There is a way to configure device numbers on a two drive system by way of a command, but that method escapes me at the moment. You should get the error messages immediately. I pulled out a Commodore and drive to try to recreate your problem, but could not (always got an error message of one kind or another). The only thing I could suggest is that one of the two serial ports on the drive is flakey. Either should work equally as well, but try the other one just in case. Then maybe there is something wrong with the C64 itself or its serial port. I'm just throwing out guesses now. Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 11:38 AM Subject: Re: C-64c probs >>Assuming the drive's device number has not been changed from eight, then the >>correct command is LOAD "*", 8, 1 > >What's the differenct between "$" and "*"? I've seen both used in this >context. How does one change a device number? I'm not Commodore expert. The >only other Commodore product I've had is a C-16, and that seems like ages ago. > >>changed to 9, 10, or 11, then you will get a "device not found" error. Try >>the other numbers in place of 8 until you find the correct one. If the >>cable is bad or not connected properly, you should get a "device not >>present" error. > >I'll give it a try. How long should I wait for a device not present >message? It's just sitting there looking for the floppy. I've got both the >C-64 manual and the 1541 manual, but can't see anything that'll help me. > >>PS: I've got all kinds of 1541's if you really want/need one. > >I'd like to get a second drive if this one is good, or two drives if this >one is bad, but I think the problem is just me sitting in front of it, and >not the drive. > > >-John Higginbotham- >-limbo.netpath.net- >

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 02:16 AM 2/1/98 +0930, you wrote: >"$" loads the file directory from the disk, and you use "list" to see >what files are on it. "*" loads the first program on the disk, and I >assume the ,1 is to either load an assembly program, or to automatically >run the file once loaded. The ,8 is the device number - thus try, say, >,9. :) > >At least this is as far as my memory goes. I'll try it next time I get the system out to play with it. We've got an 19 month old running around now, and something like the Commodore with it's multiple cables and pieces is a prime target for her. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Future Services & Events from the Vintage Technology Cooperative

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Just one thing to say: <big> <bigger> <bigest> <bigger than that> Thank you. </big> </bigger> <bigest> </bigger than that> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 8:41 PM Subject: Future Services & Events from the Vintage Technology Cooperative > >I just thought I'd give yous guys a sneak peek of some of the things I am >working on... [Major snip] >ALL THIS AND SO MUCH MORE! A VERITABLE NERD EXTRAVAGANZA TO SATISFY YOUR >VINTAGE COMPUTER HUNGER! > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:02 AM 2/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Assuming the drive's device number has not been changed from eight, then the >correct command is LOAD "*", 8, 1 What's the differenct between "$" and "*"? I've seen both used in this context. How does one change a device number? I'm not Commodore expert. The only other Commodore product I've had is a C-16, and that seems like ages ago. >changed to 9, 10, or 11, then you will get a "device not found" error. Try >the other numbers in place of 8 until you find the correct one. If the >cable is bad or not connected properly, you should get a "device not >present" error. I'll give it a try. How long should I wait for a device not present message? It's just sitting there looking for the floppy. I've got both the C-64 manual and the 1541 manual, but can't see anything that'll help me. >PS: I've got all kinds of 1541's if you really want/need one. I'd like to get a second drive if this one is good, or two drives if this one is bad, but I think the problem is just me sitting in front of it, and not the drive. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 09:31 AM 2/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >I have my indos not by hand but I nelieve you must type > >type LOAD "$",8,1 Manual says ,8 but I also tried ,8,1 and nothing happened -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

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