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by cfandt＠servtech.com

At 12:30 03-02-98 -0500, William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: > >Just because the sticker says 30 amps does not mean it will draw that >much! In general, those ratings are worst case (a fully blown system), and >includes some safety factor (as well as some surge). Oh I already knew that, William. A 30A breaker works out fine to handle the six 9332 DASD units (IBM's accronym for these type of hard disks for some of you other observers), 9345 tape drive, rack power controllers and the 9370-60 CPU. > >For example, the ex-NFSnet RS/6000s are rated for 240V @ 20 amps, but in >their current state (loaded with memory, one DASD shelf), they only suck >about two amps! > >Do not be suprised if that 9370 only sucks a few amps. Can't recall exactly, but total draw was about 11 to 12 amps or so when I checked last fall before I put the system to bed while we were shopping for a house. 30A dual-pole breaker was on hand and turns out to handle surge okay. I have done industrial wiring at work as part of my engineering responsibilities so have experience with handling stuff like this. Still dumped alotta heat! :-) We got cheap electricity in this town. $0.036 per KWH vs. about $0.08 or more per KWH outside of the area. Can't wait to work more with the system later this year if the wife has no additional remodeling in the new house for me to do :-( -- -- ======================================================= Christian Fandt Phone: +716-488-1722 -Home 111 Harding Avenue +716-661-1832 -Office Jamestown, New York Fax: +716-661-1888 -Office fax 14701-4746 USA email: cfandt(a)servtech.com

28 years, 2 months

Visual Basic for DOS?

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

And it sucked!!!!!!!!!! As for QuickBasic for DOS, it ended with version 4.5... sort of. There was a professional version, called PDS, which ended at version 7.1 -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Withers [SMTP:bwit@pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 12:29 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Visual Basic for DOS? > > > There actually was a Visual Basic for DOS product. It was very much > like > Visual Basic V1 execpt that everything was in character mode. It > supported > menus, listboxes, comboboxes, and like like without graphics. > > Bob > > At 04:56 PM 2/1/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Max, > > > >There was a Microsoft QuickBasic for DOS. I believe it got up to at > >least version 4.0. I used it long ago on a project or two. > > > >You probably can find a cheap (~$20?) copy of this at some used > software > >store, like Half Price Software. > > > >Dave > > > >Max Eskin wrote: > >> > >> It is my understanding that there was once a (Microsoft?) Visual > Basic > >> for DOS. Was it like VB for Windows, and was it any better than > QBasic? > >> If someone has a copy, could they let me (ahem) borrow it? > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\vcard5.vcf" > >

28 years, 2 months

Visual Basic for DOS?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Someone said they would post it at an FTP site,and I lost the email address; would the person email me? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

new additions: //c lcd display

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i decided to make a run for old computer stuff and i'm glad i did. i managed to find the apple //c lcd display in its original box. used, but in good shape. price? $3.18 no printed material came with it. i also saw a complete tandy 1000, a never used colecovision with steering wheel, imagewriter 1, apple //c, //c 9 inch monitor, apple 300/1200 modem in box, //c mouse never used, and //c disk drive and some apple laserwriter carts. i may go back for some of the other goodies. i might consider trades for the lcd. david

28 years, 2 months

Visual Basic for DOS?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

It is my understanding that there was once a (Microsoft?) Visual Basic for DOS. Was it like VB for Windows, and was it any better than QBasic? If someone has a copy, could they let me (ahem) borrow it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

PGA (RE: CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0))

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

PGA is a three-card sandwich, not two... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kaneko [SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 8:07 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0) > > > It seems like it means "Professional Graphics Adapter" > > Hmmm. > > -Jeff > > > > Isn't PGA Pin-Grid-Array? (It's probably wrong, but hay....) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Kaneko <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 6:39 PM > > Subject: Re: CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0) > > > > > > > > You sure this isn't PGA? > > > > > I'm sure my 3270pc handles a "better" quality CGA. It just looks like > > > EGA, thought it was... It was running a version of Norton Utes and it > > > was just beautiful turquoise blue set and clear characters. > > > > > > I'd have to think this was better than CGA, especially since it took > two > > > coupled long cards to run the video... > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > >

28 years, 2 months

RED ALERT! FREE VAX Cluster needs rescue!

by aaron＠orr.wfi-inc.com

I asked about the mass of the thing, just to dream about shipping it. 6 boxes, 250 kg's or so apiece (over a ton). It's a fairly large system, eh? Aaron From CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Tue Feb 3 07:40:40 1998 Return-Path: <CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu> Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by orr.wfi-inc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24217 for <aaron(a)orr.wfi-inc.com>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:40:39 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id HAA04106; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:34:38 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id HAA34798 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:31:13 -0800 Received: from threedee.com ([208.18.183.65]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id HAA25999 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:31:01 -0800 Received: from winnie (winnie [192.198.5.13]) by threedee.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00712; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:29:27 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980203093044.00be26f0@pc> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:30:44 -0600 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: RED ALERT! FREE VAX Cluster needs rescue! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Cc: hulbertj(a)msoe.edu X-Sender: jfoust@pc (Unverified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: R >To anyone interested, my school is looking to make the old VAX cluster >disappear. It consists of two MV3600's, several racks of RA81/82's, one >MVII, and a TU-something-or-other. How large is all this equipment, in square and cubic feet? What sort of power does it take? Anything particularly interesting or novel about this system? MicroVAX III circa 1987, KA650 processor, QBUS, ~32 meg RAM, RA-82s are ~600 meg, VMS 5.x? Roughly 2.8 VUP? Main unit, rack-mount half-height? Maybe a TU-81+, half-height rack tape? - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

VAXStation 2000 start-up questions

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>It was thus said that the Great Allison J Parent once stated: >> >> <just typing a B to the prompt would do it, or B <bootstrap device> such >> <as >> <B CSA0 ,,, Allison'd probably know better on this... >> >> You have three bootable devices... >> >> B DUA0 *RD5x in the box, never seen one external but it can be done. >> B MUA0 or 7 *tk50 tape I forget the device number as it's slow. >> B XQA0 *boot via eithernet. It was possible to run them diskless. >> >> B does the default device first (dua0) then tape then eithernet. > > Does this also apply to the uVAX 2000 (or are they in fact the same >thing?) Also, do you have the specs about the boot protocol over the >eithernet? It does, assuming you use the right device name for the Ethernet. There is a MOP demon for Linux that some NetBSD folks have used to boot a 2000 diskless; you could look into that for info about the boot protocol. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 2 months

greetings / my collection

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Hello to the list members. I've just joined you. Based in Australia, I have Altair 8800b (don't ask the price!) Kaypro II (found today - $30) Exidy Sorcerer x 2 ($25) Ohio Scientific Challenger 1P board (free) Dick Smith Wizzard (aka. CreatiVision) ($10) Sinclair ZX80 ($1) Sinclair ZX81 ($1) Sinclair Spectrum (trade for a slide rule) Atari 800 + 810 (well my Mum has it, but I'm working on that) Although not a big collector of the older computers, I am in general an avid collector of smaller computing devices such as slide rules and calculators. I'd like to announce my web-sites on these subjects... Museum of Soviet Calculators http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html Slide Rule Trading Post http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/ My intent in joining, however, is to share my resources (boxes of software for Exidy Sorcerer - but I can't load any of it - no working drive!) and perhaps utilise the brain pool of this list to help me get my Altair up and running, and also enable my Kaypro II to boot to anything but <System?> I also have manuals for about 10 different Kaypro packages - email me for list. In any case, I was pleased to accidentally stumble on this list, and fervently hope it is still an active one. I do welcome private communications, but would generally prefer discussion on the list for the benefit of all. Cheers Andrew Davie

28 years, 2 months

VAXStation 2000 start-up questions

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> <just typing a B to the prompt would do it, or B <bootstrap device> such > <as > <B CSA0 ,,, Allison'd probably know better on this... > > You have three bootable devices... > > B DUA0 *RD5x in the box, never seen one external but it can be done. > B MUA0 or 7 *tk50 tape I forget the device number as it's slow. > B XQA0 *boot via eithernet. It was possible to run them diskless. > > B does the default device first (dua0) then tape then eithernet. That's B ESA0 for the Ethernet. But if he can't type, he can't enter any of those commands. I don't know what the various failure modes of an LK201 look like (none of mine have failed), so I can't say offhand what's wrong with the keyboard. I would first try swapping it (since I have plenty of them lying around) and, failing that, going for a serial console. Also, the ? on 7 indicates some sort of problem with the disk controller. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 2 months

CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Isn't PGA Pin-Grid-Array? (It's probably wrong, but hay....) -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kaneko <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 6:39 PM Subject: Re: CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0) You sure this isn't PGA? > I'm sure my 3270pc handles a "better" quality CGA. It just looks like > EGA, thought it was... It was running a version of Norton Utes and it > was just beautiful turquoise blue set and clear characters. > > I'd have to think this was better than CGA, especially since it took two > coupled long cards to run the video... > > -Mike >

28 years, 2 months

RED ALERT! FREE VAX Cluster needs rescue!

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>To anyone interested, my school is looking to make the old VAX cluster >disappear. It consists of two MV3600's, several racks of RA81/82's, one >MVII, and a TU-something-or-other. How large is all this equipment, in square and cubic feet? What sort of power does it take? Anything particularly interesting or novel about this system? MicroVAX III circa 1987, KA650 processor, QBUS, ~32 meg RAM, RA-82s are ~600 meg, VMS 5.x? Roughly 2.8 VUP? Main unit, rack-mount half-height? Maybe a TU-81+, half-height rack tape? - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

VAXStation 2000 start-up questions

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: Captain Napalm <spc(a)armigeron.com> <> You have three bootable devices... <> <> B DUA0 *RD5x in the box, never seen one external but it can be don <> B MUA0 or 7 *tk50 tape I forget the device number as it's slow. <> B XQA0 *boot via eithernet. It was possible to run them diskless <> <> B does the default device first (dua0) then tape then eithernet. < < Does this also apply to the uVAX 2000 (or are they in fact the same <thing?) Also, do you have the specs about the boot protocol over the <eithernet? VS2k, uV2k and MV-II and a bunch of others. However if you have the manual....RTFM comes to mind. :) The NI boot protocal for small vaxen is MOP, to explain that requires a book...come to think of it you may have that in your book. Allison

28 years, 2 months

CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>Is it some kind of "Super CGA" that wasn't really supported by anyone? > > I know some game companies "tweaked" certain memory registers or something > so that standard CGA could do 320x200x16 colors, but as far as I'm aware, > there was only 320x200x4 and 640x400x2 for CGA, 640x400x16 for EGA, and of > course 320x200x256 for MCGA. (The latter was what my Compact IBM PS/2 Mac > wannabe had) I never heard of 320 x 200 x 16 for the CGA - I seem to remember 160 x 200 x 16 - surely it would not have had the memory for the other? The CGA never did 640 x 400 x 2 that I ever heard of - I assume that was a typing error for 640 x 200 x 2. The EGA did 640 x 200 x 16 on a CGA monitor, 640 x [was it 400 or was it 350] x [a number of colours dependent on the memory installed] on an EGA monitor, and even did 640 x 350 x 3 (I think) on an MDA monitor. I also once saw a demonstration on a CGA card that changed colours in real time faster than the scan rate and so gave more colours than you'd expect. But I digress. What was the question again? :-) Philip.

28 years, 2 months

TI 99/4A Exp. Box

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-02-02 18:38:17 EST, you write: << Uncle: Considering the rarity of this item, I'd say you made out like a bandit. Not too many of these were sold as it cost alot more than the computer itself! Jeff >> i have one also, but the front plastic panel is missing. concerning the disk drive, will an xt type floppy drive work? david

28 years, 2 months

Stupid bus tricks

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 06:57 PM 2/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >It's not PS/2, it's MicroChannel Architecture. NuBus isn't PC, it's Mac. And PCI can also Mac. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

VAXStation 2000 start-up questions

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<just typing a B to the prompt would do it, or B <bootstrap device> such <as <B CSA0 ,,, Allison'd probably know better on this... You have three bootable devices... B DUA0 *RD5x in the box, never seen one external but it can be done. B MUA0 or 7 *tk50 tape I forget the device number as it's slow. B XQA0 *boot via eithernet. It was possible to run them diskless. B does the default device first (dua0) then tape then eithernet. Allison

28 years, 2 months

CPM86, GEMDOS, GEM Files - Whole free systems

by mallison＠konnections.com

I'm sure everyone knows about this, but for the few, such as I: For a bunch of CPM systems, 68k, 8080, Z80, Z180, CPM-86, MPM, checkout: http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/download.html They have it all including CPM-86 OS + C compilers, Basic Compilers, Fortran and Pascal. Plus the same for CPM Z80 & 8080 system: Plus, the Digital Research Library with GEM stuff for Atari and DOS, including GEM Desktop, Draw, Write, and GEM Publisher You could have a good 8088 or 8080/Z80 or Atari system, for just a little time. -Mike

28 years, 2 months

System Info&config Archives

by mallison＠konnections.com

One place to find system configuration and info files: http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysinfo/ -Mike

28 years, 2 months

TK50 tape drive and Linux (PC)?

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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28 years, 2 months

Stupid bus tricks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>Ah but to answer the question with out philosophy - NO. >In reality (with philosophy 8-) Yes! It is called networking 8-) > >Linux has been used in the Beowolf configuration where (I think) >16?? machines were/are set up for parallel processing. You could >net-research this and find a bunch of stuff. > >I have done it using Perl on two machines, one running a 6532 emulator >and the other running a 6502 emulator. > >BC (Sigh!) Well, it seems that I need more explanation. I was wondering if this would be a more resource-conserving way to do it, and technologically easier. I would do this with network cards if I had them. Serial ports might be good, as well as parallel. Is there a way to make the computer do TCP/IP via serial or parallel port? So, could you please tell me, COULD I STICK A RIBBON CABLE INTO TWO DIFFERENT MOTHERBOARDS AND PRETEND THAT THE MBs ARE CARDS OF EACH OTHER? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> Subject: Re: C-64c probs >>Assuming the drive's device number has not been changed from eight, then the >>correct command is LOAD "*", 8, 1 > >What's the differenct between "$" and "*"? I've seen both used in this >context. LOAD"*",8,1 loads the first file off of a disk to it's recorded start address in memory (This is usually the way you boot commercial software disks, rarely anything with various programs on it.) Loading the directory is done by loading "$", you can add file spec wildcards such as "$pac*" (load the first program with a filename starting with 'pac') > How does one change a device number? I'm not Commodore expert. The >only other Commodore product I've had is a C-16, and that seems like ages ago. > Via software is pretty complicated, the hardware method requires you to open the case of the 1541 and look for two 'jumper pads' on the circut board and cutting one or both 'jumper' connections to change the number. >>changed to 9, 10, or 11, then you will get a "device not found" error. Try >>the other numbers in place of 8 until you find the correct one. If the >>cable is bad or not connected properly, you should get a "device not >>present" error. > >I'll give it a try. How long should I wait for a device not present >message? Should be an immediate response. > It's just sitting there looking for the floppy. I've got both the >C-64 manual and the 1541 manual, but can't see anything that'll help me. > They are OK, but many people don't take them seriously... >>PS: I've got all kinds of 1541's if you really want/need one. > >I'd like to get a second drive if this one is good, or two drives if this >one is bad, but I think the problem is just me sitting in front of it, and >not the drive. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our Commodore 64 BBS (Silicon Realms 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Fritz Chwolka <Chwolka(a)nt-gmbh.de> Subject: Re: C-64c probs >John Higginbotham wrote: >> >[snip!] >> What's going on here? Drive misalign? How do I realign? Bad drive? Bad cable? >> >> Anyone have one or two extra 1541 floppy drives they want to sell? -- >I have my indos not by hand but I nelieve you must type >type LOAD "$",8,1 > ^^^^ NOOOOOOO!!!! That will make the drive do a 'non-relocating load' with the directory starting at memory location 1025 ($0401) which is screen memory on the 64. The load address of $0401 is remenants of 4040/2031 code left in for use by people with PETs whose BASIC starts at $0401 and cannot do any sort of relocating load. use just: LOAD"$",8 Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our Commodore 64 BBS (Silicon Realms 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

Kids and classics (was: C-64c probs)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Since there seem to be a few folks who want to save their classics from their kids, let me stray off-topic long enough to say my girlfriend is an educator (best in the business, honest) so if any one wants suggestions for kids software, let me know and I'll pass on her recommendations. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

C-64c probs

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:29 AM 2/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >I'll try it next time I get the system out to play with it. We've got an 19 >month old running around now, and something like the Commodore with it's >multiple cables and pieces is a prime target for her. At 19 months, she's definitely ready to start using the computer! (Be it classic or new.) Lemme know if you need software recommendations. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

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