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28 years, 2 months

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by manney＠nwohio.com

Don't forget to try re-inking if you can't find one. manney > Does any one know what type of printer ribbon can fit onto an original adam > (Colecovision)printer (ginerec one I thought Was a deablo hytype but it wont > fit. > And where to get one from I live in Castlegar, British Columbia Canada. > > Thanx for your help > > Chris >

28 years, 2 months

Nostalgia

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have to comment on a few things that have recently been posted here. One is the addition of 37 books to a vintage library. How many books do you people have? One would need a bill gates-type house to store all of these old computers and books! I live in an apartment, and envy people who can- I am trying to sort out a few tens of manuals! Incidentally, I have finally gotten permission to take old stuff from a supply room in my school. I picked up Ventura Publisher 1.0, DOS 3.3 (I had an un-shrinkwrapping ceremony for that), and the PC XT manuals. And, there is lots more stuff. Harvard Graphics, printer manuals, that System/34 I mention every few weeks... What was the first publishing program anyway? Also, how many different home/small office computers have been made, do you suppose? Now, it's just Intel and Mac :( Lastly, I wanted to know if there was any place where I could actually sit down at an old machine and play with it for half an hour, just to get the feel for it. P.S. How big was the IBM 370? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

3270pc, 5272, 5271 stuff wanted

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

Who's in PDX?

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

Alright, this may be a REALLY stupid idea, but it sounds like fun. First, how many people on the list are in Portland, OR? Sure seems like there are a lot. Second, who in PDX would be interested in seeing a new classic computers users group? Not a dozen groups of C64 and TI-99 fans, but a UG for ALL of the old computers, wether it be an old mainframe/minicomputer or a funny looking micro. Well? What do you think? Would it be worth it? That's all for now, from my strange mind... But be careful, I might pounce at any time! :-> -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek

28 years, 2 months

Sun 3/50 and Shoebox

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)email.msn.com> wrote: > I don't have a Sun keyboard or mouse, so what are the > terminal-equivalent keys for L1? Oh. Never mind L1-A (or stop-A on newer keyboards), just press the break key. > I've tried the "b sd(0,0,0)" command from the montior in DIAG mode, but > it complains that the device is not present. I don't have a SCSI terminator > on the end of the chain, so that may be an issue (the shoebox did not come > with one; I ordered one :-)). Yep, it does want to see one. Something that you may want to look out for: some Suns (including the 3/50 and 3/60 I think) do not supply termination power on the bus. And some of these short the termination power line on the bus to ground, which can lead to fireworks of one sort or another if another device on the bus is trying to supply termination power over the bus to an external terminator. So you may want to do something like open that disk/tape box up, declare one device to be "on the end" of the SCSI bus, install the appropriate termination resistors on that device, and get that device to provide termination power to its resistors but not to the bus. Confused yet? Good. -Frank McConnell

28 years, 2 months

VCF gets media coverage

by dastar＠wco.com

I'm pretty proud of this so I thought I'd share it with the group. I hope nobody minds.

28 years, 2 months

CLASSICCMP digest 318

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> Subject: More books for the library >I added another 37 volumes to my vintage computer library yesterday. >By far the most valuable from a historical standpoint is the book >_Computer Power for the Small Business_ from 1979....[snip] Some of those books are pretty good, years ago I passed by many of them but nowadays they deserve a second look. >It contains information on systems we know much of, such as the Atari's, >Apple, PETs, Radio Shack, etc. But it also has blurbs on systems that >I've not seen mentioned anywhere else (at least not in a way that is >looking back on these systems with a historical perspective) like the RCA >Cosmac VIP, the Sol-20, Exidy Sorcerer, Heathkit H-8 and H-11, Intecolor >8031. >The best part is the descriptions of systems I've never knew about before. >Has anyone ever heard of an Outpost computer? Its a fully integrated >package with keyboard, display and 5.25" drive, but its almost three feet >wide, with the two 5.25" drive bays to the side of the display! How about >the PeCos One from APF Electronics. Is that the "imagination machine?" Never saw one, the production run must have been short-lived. > I have a pong machine made by APF but >who would've thought they once made computers? How about The Renaissance >Machine (aka Compucolor II)? I saw it in a computer store in 1980, I recall it was pricy, nice display, real crisp for the time, no hint of any decent games whatsoever... [snip] >Here's an interesting tidbit. Apparently Data General made a line of >computers dubbed "The Digital Group". According to this entry in the >table, they were systems based on the Z-80, 8080A, 9080A, 6800 and 6502 >processors; they had 2K of main memory; they used cassettes for storage. >Can anyone verify this? Really cool cases, seen lots of pictures, no actual unit though... 001010111010100100100101001001011011001001011001101011010100101110100100100011 Speaking of old publications, does anyone remember the the album (12" record) titled something like the "First Philidelphia Computer Music Festival" it was distributed by Creative Computing, had music for a variety of sources including some astounding stuff from Bell Labs and the like (a computer sythesized Daisy tune, cathedral organ sethesis of Fuge in D minor, etc.) as well as more contemporary for the time computer stuff (Cosmac ELF three-voice tunes, etc.) All of it was pretty extraordinary given the time it was recorded, to some it may seem old compared to today's 'sythesisers on a card'... 001010111010100100100101001001011011001001011001101011010100101110100100100011 From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Nostalgia >I have to comment on a few things that have recently been posted here. >One is the addition of 37 books to a vintage library. How many books >do you people have? One would need a bill gates-type house to store all >of these old computers and books! I live in an apartment, and envy >people who can- I am trying to sort out a few tens of manuals! It is not always the quantity but the quality too... I also live in an apartment and have to be somewhat selective of what I get... Many of my books are in storage... Maybe when I lin the Lottery I can buy a museum for it all... >What was the first publishing program anyway? For micros, I would have to say the original Print Shop by Broderbund Software, it was a landmark achievement in my books... Wow graphics, text with free-form design! I didn't say it was the best but one of the first most popular publishing program for home use... >Also, how many different home/small office computers have >been made, do you suppose? Now, it's just Intel and Mac :( Untrue Amiga is still in production (Gateway 2000 now owns em). I am sure there are others, you limit yourself by saying that... There are hundreds of brands/models... >Lastly, I wanted to know if there was any place where I could actually >sit down at an old machine and play with it for half an hour, just to >get the feel for it. P.S. How big was the IBM 370? Well where do you live? Maybe someone on this list lives nearby... Heck I'd be tickled to have someone come over and look at my machines while I fill their ear for an hour or so... Other than that there is shows like the Vintage Computer Festival. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our Commodore 64 BBS (Silicon Realms 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

No subject

by chrish＠knet.kootenay.net

Does any one know what type of printer ribbon can fit onto an original adam (Colecovision)printer (ginerec one I thought Was a deablo hytype but it wont fit. And where to get one from I live in Castlegar, British Columbia Canada. Thanx for your help Chris

28 years, 2 months

ProFile interface/cable needed

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On : Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:10:59 -0800 , Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote: >>Well, you need a ProFile interface card :) >>That's going to be hard to come by. If you are an extremely persuasive >>person, you may be able to get one from Sun Remarketing (www.sunrem.com), >>but you'll have to talk 'em into it. Hmmm. I've heard of these guys before, but never contacted them. Thanks for the lead. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 2 months

slipping sticks

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Gemmary tell me they're out of ES500 rules :( Pity, they were a bargain at that price. So, your next stop could be The Slide Rule Universe. The site is a bit hard to navigate through, but in the forsale section you'll find new Picketts and other rules - prices a bit higher... but if you need one you need one http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/swap.html Cheers Andrew Davie -----Original Message----- From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, February 07, 1998 3:50 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: slipping sticks >At 16:04 2/6/98 GMT, you wrote: >>> PS: Brand new Pickett ES500 rules (quite nice model) can be had for US$25 >>[snip] >>....I've never heard of the Gemmary - can you give >>a bit more info? > >How about: > >The Gemmary >Box 2560 >Fallbrook CA 92088 USA >+1 760 728-3321 voice >+1 760 728-3322 fax >rcb(a)gemmary.com mail >www.gemmary.com/rcb/ website > >They sometimes have Curtas too but not for $25! >__________________________________________ >Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html >Computer History Association of California > > >

28 years, 2 months

More books for the library

by dastar＠wco.com

I added another 37 volumes to my vintage computer library yesterday. By far the most valuable from a historical standpoint is the book _Computer Power for the Small Business_ from 1979. It is a buyer's guide for microcomputers of the mid- to late -0's era. Talk about a treasure. This book has pictures and decriptions of many computers I've never even heard of. It contains information on systems we know much of, such as the Atari's, Apple, PETs, Radio Shack, etc. But it also has blurbs on systems that I've not seen mentioned anywhere else (at least not in a way that is looking back on these systems with a historical perspective) like the RCA Cosmac VIP, the Sol-20, Exidy Sorcerer, Heathkit H-8 and H-11, Intecolor 8031. The best part is the descriptions of systems I've never knew about before. Has anyone ever heard of an Outpost computer? Its a fully integrated package with keyboard, display and 5.25" drive, but its almost three feet wide, with the two 5.25" drive bays to the side of the display! How about the PeCos One from APF Electronics. I have a pong machine made by APF but who would've thought they once made computers? How about The Renaissance Machine (aka Compucolor II)? There's also mention of the Teal SHC-8000, which is sort of like a pet with display, keyboard and cassette player in one unit. It then has a listing with about 40 different system descriptions, including CPU, memory, external storage, input (ie. keyboard, lightpen), output (ie. display, printer) and basic cost. There's also the company address which is extremely valuable for research. Here's an interesting tidbit. Apparently Data General made a line of computers dubbed "The Digital Group". According to this entry in the table, they were systems based on the Z-80, 8080A, 9080A, 6800 and 6502 processors; they had 2K of main memory; they used cassettes for storage. Can anyone verify this? I also got another similar book entitled _The Peter McWilliams Personal Computer Buying Guide_ circa 1985. I haven't had a chance to go through it in much detail but it is basically more nice descriptions of early- to mid-80's computers, again some of which I've never heard of. I'll do a review later. In my travels I also picked up a Victor 800 electric adding machine. I don't collect adding machines and only rare grab them for specific reasons. In this case, this is the same Victor as the Victor 9000 computer. I knew right away because the 'o' in the "Victor" emblem was that striped-circle that is telling of a Victor product (plus it had a Scott's Valley, CA address on the back). Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 2 months

CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> How much is there on the 3270pc? I have absolutely NO documentation and > I'd like to have some refs. I have half a dozen to a dozen pages, I think. Email me privately at Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk with your snail-mail address and I'll post you a photocopy - I don't think there can be any objection to this (can there?) It is only marketing stuff, but it is not completely clueless (unlike modern equivalents!) Philip.

28 years, 2 months

Nostalgia

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:43 PM 2/6/98 PST, you wrote: >been made, do you suppose? Now, it's just Intel and Mac :( And AMD, Cyrix, Centaur, Alpha... -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Just a thought, Y2K Situation | Classiccomp to rescue?

by wpe＠interserv.com

Hi, Just a thought, but, this group has a handle on the "heritage systems" that are still in use..... Lott'a COBOL etc floating around... Could we, as individuals, or as a group, help work this situation? Could be a lot of employment out there, not to mention a "save the world" type thing... I apologize if this is off-topic, or out of line.... Will

28 years, 2 months

IBM 5155 Portable Personal Computer Available

by dastar＠wco.com

I ran across an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155) today in a thrift store sans keyboard ("sans" = "without" for the English language purists). The price was $50. I'd be happy to buy it and ship it to someone who would want this. I don't know if it works, but I believe I may be able to test it. I imagine shipping would be about $25 to the farthest corners of the country (I'm in California, 94588), more for out of the country of course. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 2 months

PC/AT Config programs

by mallison＠konnections.com

Steve, and all, Its in here: ftp://204.146.167.81/pub/pccbbs/refdisks should be atdg207.* look in the gen_text directory for allfiles.txt for a list of all the bbs stuff. -Mike Allison Steve Przepiora wrote: > > Hi, does anyone have the setup utility for the IBM AT BIOS? > > Thanks, > > Steve Przepiora > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: vcard.vcf > Part 1.2 Type: text/x-vcard > Encoding: 7bit > Description: Card for Stephen Przepiora

28 years, 2 months

Sun 3/50 and Shoebox

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: I got a no-name "shoebox" drive for my Sun 3/50M workstation. It has a Maxtor 300mb SCSI hard drive and what appears to be a 60mb DC600 tape drive. After reading the Sun FAQ, I'm left clueless on how to get it to boot >from the hard drive. The workstation that I got appears to have been a remote-boot type, because it looks for an Internet address at startup. Dirst off, how do I change the default boot device? Second, what are the appropriate SCSI device IDs for the hard drive and tape drive? Right now, they are set for tape:6, drive:4 (I remember from somewhere that the Suns look for a drive on ID=6). Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 2 months

Dec/Vaxstn 3100, and source in SF

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>>Anyway, the place I saw them is called HMR Global Recycling. They >> >> 5 Mac Mice $6.00 ea > >This reminds me... can any of you recommentd a good mailorder place where I >can find a couple of inexpensive Mac ADB keyboards and ADB mice (2 each)? Hmmm... Perhaps I could pick up some for you next time I'm there? What are you willing to pay for keyboards? Say, anyone in the Bay Area wanna get together there sometime? I work from home (generally) MWF, and can be somewhat flexible about my time. Lemme know... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

3270pc, 5272, 5271 stuff wanted

by mallison＠konnections.com

If you have any 3270pc stuff laying around, I'm still in the market for documents, software, parts, pieces or systems. Lemme know. Or, if anyone is in Cleaveland and might be willing to go to the Lewis Research Center to pick up items and send them to us, lemme know. There's a beer in it somewhere.... -Mike

28 years, 2 months

Real hackers

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:54 AM 2/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >Heheh. So true, unfortunately. The other extreme is the >fat-pud-who-eats-while-he's-hacking stereotype and then the Ever see "Cloak and Dagger"? Y'know the fat-pud-who-eats-while-he's-hacking character who gets killed? I got into a couple of fights because people said that that was me... P.S., I think real hacking is basically just a strong sense of curiosity, coupled with a need for adventure. A lot of people go rock climbing or skydiving or skiing or what-have-you to get their adrenalin flowing, and some get that same rush from getting a tricky program working (Like that web page generator I wrote a couple weeks ago) or from getting a circuit up and running. I think innovation comes not necessarily from a desire to innovate, but >from running out of challenges that have been done before. The first time you write a "hello world" program, it's great. But pretty soon, that, and G.P.A. average programs and Tetris-clones get to be old hat, and hackers start looking for new challenges, only there's nothing left they can say "hey that's neat, I think I'll try and do something like that" and they have to find something like "Hmmm... what if I used that thing to make doing this thing easier..." and voila, you've got Visicalc or whatever. P.P.S. warezloosers are just liquor store robbers in disquise. Doesn't take much intelligence to copy MSWord on to a CD or upload it to an FTP site. P.P.P.S. For them what was interested in my web page generator, I'm working on documenting it and will put it up on the web Real Soon Now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

IBM Archive

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:55 PM 2/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone know where there's a good IBM program and/or doc archive that >goes back beyond last month? Really into the 80's Looking for original >PC stuff... IBM has one -- internally. I was just e-mailed some good info on the IBM 9075 PC Radio's I have in response to form I filled out on their web site. (Sorry, I don't know where...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

Panasonic 32k toy computer

by mallison＠konnections.com

I've had my eye on a little toy Panasonic, improved sinclair clone. Anyone know what's inside? It's silver with a nice keypad, letters with basic functions, tape port, tv port, etc. and 32k Can't remember the name off hand. Just wanted to know before a spend the whole 6 dollars. (yeah, I'm becoming a bit of a baby). But I coould pull down the Apple ][ + with a Z80 card.... I'm leaning towards the Z80.... but it's twice the price : -} -Mike

28 years, 2 months

Card sorter question

by harlen＠erols.com

Are there still usable punch card sorting machines out there? Do you know where any are? TIA.

28 years, 2 months

ProFile interface/cable needed

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, you need a ProFile interface card :) That's going to be hard to come by. If you are an extremely persuasive person, you may be able to get one from Sun Remarketing (www.sunrem.com), but you'll have to talk 'em into it. The cable is simply a DB25-DB25 straight through. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard A. Cini [SMTP:rcini@email.msn.com] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 5:41 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: ProFile interface/cable needed > > I just got a ProFile /// hard drive off of eBay. What is the interface > card > that I need for it? > > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) > ClubWin! Charter Member (6) > MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking > ============================================ > > > >

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