Hi, went to a hamfest and picked up a Wango Disc Exerciser. Can anyone
tell me what drives it works works on? It's a blue box about 5 x 8" inches
in size and 3/4" think and has a ribbon cable connector at one end. It has
the following switches: Start, auto-man, seq-alt, inc-fix-dec, 200 -100
TPI, Top-Bot Head, Rem-Fix Disc, Restore.
I have used disk exercisers before so I know what all the switches are
for, I just need to know what drive(s) it' for.
Joe
At 10:22 PM 2/12/98, you wrote:
> He is. Having the original version was a condition to him being allowed
>to buy the upgrade.
I suspect that that varies from vendor to vendor. Furthermore, unless it
is specifically stated on the info about getting the upgrade, I don't think
it would hold true, legally.
> That says it all. You must have the old version as a condition to have
>the upgrade.
Unless the license for the new version eliminates the license (or inherits,
if you prefer) for the old version. Which would make the old system disks
as invalid (unlicensed, whatever) as a backup of the old version.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Well, I've got a long weekend, so I've decided to start in on my
restoration project by determining exactly what I've got. I few minutes
ago I figured out how to get into the RL02 drives, only to discover they
are empty.
Now I'm trying to figure out how on earth to open up the CPU to find out
what cards are in it. Both James Willing and myself spent a little time
trying to figure this out the day I bought it with no luck. Finally gave
up and moved it with the CPU still in the rack.
The CPU in question is sitting in the top of a DEC rack that I believe is
about 4' high. There appear to be some sort of hydralic things on either
side of the box.
Anybody have any questions, ideas, or suggestions?
Zane
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If you found this in Australia with a 240v power supply, this is a unique
computer. I don't think the "PC Junior" was ever sold outside the US.
Most of the design was however later used by IBM Japan, and sold in
Australia as the PC JX. It is probably very similar but had a different
monitor and a different looking case.
PC JX's are fairly common here as they were used in schools etc, but on the
other hand they may be disappearing. I think they are classic computers and
collectible.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, 13 February 1998 14:47
Subject: IBM PC-Junior
>"some IBM PC Junior pieces (a monitor, printer, cpu, keyboard). last time
i
>plugged it in, it worked"
>
>I would appreciate some info; I don't knnow anything about this one.
>Should I grab it, and if so, what is a fair price? Ie: is it scarce, do i
>want it.
>
>Andrew
>
I also have an Apple II Duodisk, which unlike the II fdd s has a
DB25 pin female connector. Were these for the GS or did Apple
simply upgrade the disk connections with the + or A-3. would it
work on a II with an adapter ?
-----------
Actually the Duodisk never worked properly on the GS. They were designed for
latter model //e's. Apple redesigned the Disk 2 controller card to use the
new connector.
-- Kirk
Needless to say, I was extremely disappointed when I was told that the
manuals and software for the System/34 were thrown away, along with
5 5250 video terminals. There are three left, and I picked up one of
the two remaining manuals. If was somewhat amused by some parts of the
manuals. for example, after instructions on mailing comments, "Comments
become the property of IBM". A full page on safety, including CPR
instructions. On line reads,"Wer safety glasses when performing any
work that may be hazardous to your eyes. REMEMBER-THEY ARE YOUR EYES"
another,"Knowing safety rules is not enough. An unsafe act will
inevitbly lead to an accident. Use good judgement - eliminate unsafe
acts." A warning"The display station has a weight of ~ 34kg (75lb).
NEVER LIFT BY YOURSELF" With all this, I'm surprised they ever got
sued...
PS Does anyone have the jumper setting for a Tiara Lancard /E*AT?
PPS I am reading "The Soul of a New Machine". Great book!
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At 08:17 PM 2/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
><People try, but the age of hacking is gone. Right now, there is just
><nothing exciting in the computing industry. Wait till holographic
>
>You got to be kidding. Just look around the edges at things like
>autonomus robots and navagation to suggest a few. Theres plenty to be
And there is plenty of opportunity in terms of software -- new uses for the
internet connectivity is a big one. CUSeeMe, for example and the internet
phone stuff... These are things that make me envision some guy, surrounded
by empty coke bottles, about 3 in the morning thinking, "Hey, if I can send
data over voice lines, why can't I send voice over data lines?" and such.
Also, how about purpose-built devices? Wanna buy a dedicated alphapaging
station so you're grandmother (who keeps pointing her calculator at the
Microwave and trying to change the channel) can just turn it on, type a
message (See, grandma, it's just like a typewriter!) and hit a send button
to send you an alphapage? Probably can't do it affordably. But take a
Basic Stamp, add a keyboard and a little LCD screen, some code, and voila...
Speaking whihc, has anyone else ever read Heinlein's book (whose name I've
forgotten) about the inventor whose partners steal everything and freeze
him for 20 years etc? One of the things he invents is an automated vacuum
cleaner. When Heinlein wrote the book, I'm sure that would have been very
expensive and very difficult to do. Now, however, it would seem like an
acheivable goal, especially since Heinlein does a lot of the specs for
you... So how come you can't buy one at Target? Anyone want to make millions?
(That book, btw, is what made me want to be an EE (along with Steve Ciarcia
calling it "programming in solder"). Perhaps someday I'll finally get to
become one...)
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Whoops, I didn't read it all. Only the person that posseses the license is
the person who owns it. It dosn't matter who original purchased it, if the
license was purchased it is then transferred. But if you give the disks
back, and keep the software, your the bad guy. [sorry, just woke up]
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: disk equals license
>Uncle Roger wrote:
>> Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>> software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>> for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>> me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>>
>> Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>>
>> Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>> disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>> before?
>
>You're wrong (in this case) You stole the upgrade from the company
>because you didn't have the right to the upgrade. Then you stole the
>upgrade. You now have a free copy running on your machine.
>
>You didn't pay for the original disks (not a crime) but the SINGLE
>entitlement to the upgrade was already used. You have no further right
>to upgrade....
>
>-Mike
>
I Must dissagree. The person who willfully sell's the product and surrenders
the original's to you has transferred the license. It is the original
purchaser who is wrong. He has obligated himself at that point to remove
the software from his machine, or he shouldn't have sold the license in the
firstplace.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: disk equals license
>Uncle Roger wrote:
>> Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>> software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>> for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>> me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>>
>> Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>>
>> Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>> disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>> before?
>
>You're wrong (in this case) You stole the upgrade from the company
>because you didn't have the right to the upgrade. Then you stole the
>upgrade. You now have a free copy running on your machine.
>
>You didn't pay for the original disks (not a crime) but the SINGLE
>entitlement to the upgrade was already used. You have no further right
>to upgrade....
>
>-Mike
>
<The reason for the quotes around "no problem" is that some people have
<wrongly assumed you can format 360K disks in a 1.2 MB drive and just use
<them in a 360K drive. This is only true if the disk being formated has n
That is a big no-no. The 1.2m drives have a write head that is have the
width and if not properly configured the wrong write current for 360k
media(1.2m media is different magnetically). Also that narrower head
produces a much lower read signal on a 360k drive with more errors.
Scandisk works excellent for me here even on my Leading Edge XT. It's
something your doing not scandisk.
Allison
At 09:06 PM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Speaking whihc, has anyone else ever read Heinlein's book (whose name I've
>forgotten) about the inventor whose partners steal everything and freeze
Okay, a little webbery (www.amazon.com) and the title is, <tada> _The Door
Into Summer_. (So named, because the protagonist's cat was always looking
for a door that opened into summer during the winter, but of course, so are
we all...)
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
This web site is probably only relevant to the PC Apricots.
There is info on older stuff like the F10 at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, 13 February 1998 17:42
Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>A lot of scouting around (www.apricot.com.uk is no longer active) dug up
the
>following, which is particularly useful - in particular, anydisk.zip looks
>teriffic!!
>
>http://www.apricot.co.uk/ftp/bbs/atsbbs/allfiles.htm
>
>Cheers
>Andrew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 1:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>
>
>>>
>>> Amazingly enough, there is a ton (relatively) of F1 stuff on Apricot's
UK
>>> web site file library...
>>
>>Do you happen to have the URL for that ?
>>
>>ADVthanksANCE
>>
>>>
>>> Kai
>>
>>-tony
>>
>>
>
A lot of scouting around (www.apricot.com.uk is no longer active) dug up the
following, which is particularly useful - in particular, anydisk.zip looks
teriffic!!
http://www.apricot.co.uk/ftp/bbs/atsbbs/allfiles.htm
Cheers
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>>
>> Amazingly enough, there is a ton (relatively) of F1 stuff on Apricot's UK
>> web site file library...
>
>Do you happen to have the URL for that ?
>
>ADVthanksANCE
>
>>
>> Kai
>
>-tony
>
>
>I'd say you have the right to purchase a "previous version 1st disk
>required" upgrade of the product. You have the disks and the manuals, and
>the imaginary license laying right next to it, that the previous owner of
>the software threw away along with his right to upgrade.
Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
Who (if anyone) is wrong?
Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
before?
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Hi,
I got an apple IIe today and it came in a big padded case with a handle. It
looks like an oversize suitcase and wheighs a ton. It has reinforced corners
and edges. Inside are three compartments: the center one holds the Apple IIe
and the sides hld the disk drive, floppies, docs and hard drive.
Has anyone heard of the case or is it a custom one of a kind part?
Any information would be appreciated.
Fran?ois
All,
Figures I'd be out of town when this topic came up; I'd been
waiting for a quiet moment to ask about them as well.
I remember *lusting* for a digital group system just before dad
bought a TRS-80 Model 1. (He was right, Tandy made systems for a lot longer
than digital group did. :-()
digital group chassis had a backplane bus which could accomodate
processor cards carrying any of the 4 processor architectures mentioned by
Sam (6502, 6800, 8080, and the super-powerful chip of the future Z-80).
They offered a storage system using cassette tapes but recording to them
digitally, not tone-encoded, which they called the phi-deck (I think). They
sold a separate cabinet which would hold up to 4 of those, for a pretty
large (for those days) total storage - over a megabyte, if I recall
correctly.
They sold a fair selection of software. I recall OASIS (sic?) as
the name of one of the operating systems, and OPUS-1 and OPUS-2 as the
names of two levels of a programming language (I think).
I trashed my promotional literature describing all of this years
and years ago, once we decided to go the TRS-80 route. Sigh. If anyone can
amplify or correct any of this, or better yet has a working system, I'd
love to hear more about it.
Oh yes, there was a picture of one of the cabinets on the cover of
Byte magazine just before they went out of business. Along with many other
systems, suspended in space around a shattering crystal goblet with the
Title "Breaking the Sound Barrier". The cover story was about computers
with sound-generation capability. This would be maybe 1-2 years after the
introduction of the Z-80, I'd guess, but don't remember better than that.
More and better information, anyone?
- Mark
Technically, everyone is wrong. Now, if he gave you the disks/manuals/etc.
and did the upgrade, he'd be wrong. If you didn't upgrade, you'd be in the
clear. You were a pirate before, a pirate now, and will always be a pirate
if you keep the upgrade installed and use it.
I guess that leaves only one thing to say: Arrgh! Join the crew, matey! :P
But if you got the disks from an entirely anonymous source, you wouldn't
know the history behind the software, and you could use the software with a
slightly less guilty conscience if you were so inclined. Everything is
relative, no two cases are the same, and some leeway needs to be taken into
consideration where software "piracy" is concerned. I think there's a
pretty big grey area there, IMHO.
At 09:06 PM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>
>Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>
>Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>before?
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
Please contact Mr. Grier directly if you're interested. Thanks!
-=-=- <snip> -=-=-
>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:34:42 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Aaron J. Grier" <agrier(a)poofy.goof.com>
>To: port-vax(a)NetBSD.ORG, port-pmax(a)NetBSD.ORG
>Subject: tk50s up for grabs in Portland, OR
>Sender: port-vax-owner(a)NetBSD.ORG
>Delivered-To: port-vax(a)NetBSD.ORG
>
>
>in the basement of the Reed College library, there's a wall of tk50s which
>are being tossed. (All have been run through a bulk-eraser...)
>
>If you can get 'um before the custodians come and trash them, they're
>yours. (I've already got my fill.) Drop me an email, and I can meet you
>to help carry them to your vehicle.
>
><sigh> at least they'll be giving away the hardware to students...
>
>----
> Aaron J. Grier | "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | agrier(a)poofy.goof.com
> agrier(a)reed.edu | agrier(a)metro.grumblesmurf.net | ...!reed!vla!agrier
> DECBEE65 0DEE3A0C 1ED7F54D 9E023CC4 and 0x0663D1A9 at a server near you.
>
>
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"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
"some IBM PC Junior pieces (a monitor, printer, cpu, keyboard). last time i
plugged it in, it worked"
I would appreciate some info; I don't knnow anything about this one.
Should I grab it, and if so, what is a fair price? Ie: is it scarce, do i
want it.
Andrew
Hello,
My company currently has several examples of antique computers,
software, and various hardware pieces from the early eighties on.
We tend to hold onto things in our warehouse and have accumulated boxes
of stuff. Some items include:
Apple Lisa (one 3.5 drive) unknown model
Apple III (one of my personal favorites)
Tons of Apple Hardware including II+, IIe, and GS carcases
AE Hardware (remember the Ram Charger and Vulcan Hardrives?)
Different Upright Macs including 128's, 512's, and the Plus
We used to sell a bunch of this stuff in the late eighties, and most of
these items were returned without packaging and such, so we could never
get refunds for them.
I would be interested in receiving an e-mail from someone to discuss the
values of some of these items.
Thanks
--
Sincerely,
Thomas Veselenak
Product Development Manager
Scantron Quality Computers
Brighter Paths
20200 9 Mile Rd.
St. Clair Shores MI, 48080
Phone: 800-777-3642 Ext. 712
Fax: 810-774-2698
>These were commonly advertised in the back of _BYTE_ and other computer
>magazines in the late 70's and early 80's. Is there any indication of
>a manufacturer or brand name for the case?
>
>Tim.
Not that I can see. The panneling is made of wood (I got i off my trunk and
can take a closer look), it looks like a home job (a well done one).
Fran?ois.
Amazingly enough, there is a ton (relatively) of F1 stuff on Apricot's UK
web site file library...
Kai
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Duell [SMTP:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>
> >
> > Having just obtained a 1984 Apricot F1 computer (and a lovely looking
> > machine they are!) I find I can only get to the ROM boot stage.
> Onscreen, I
> > have Aprictot F1, a floppy icon, a chip icon, a hand pointing down, an
> arrow
>
> I have an Apricot F1 Technical Manual here, mainly because it's the only
> thing that I've found that's at all relevant to the Apricot PC which I
> have.
>
> > pointing up, and thats about it. The arrow and hand are flashing.
> > When I place disks in the drive, it spins for a bit and places an X and
> a
> > number on the screen. Numbers I've seen are 4, 8 and 99. So... any
> proud
>
> OK, here's the error table from Appendix A of the manual :
>
> Boot ROM Error codes :
> 20 ROM checksum test
> 22 SIO register test
> 25 RAM test
> 28 Floppy Controller test
> 29 CTC clock chip test
> 33 Clock interrupt test
> 35 Drive 0 test (can it step correctly?)
>
> Disk Error codes :
> 2 Drive not ready, or disk removed during boot
> 4 CRC error, corrupt sector
> 6 Seek Error, unformatted or corrupt disk
> 7 Bad media, corrupt media block
> 8 Sector not found, unformatted or corrupt disk, bad load address in label
> 11 bad read, corrupt data field on disk
> 12 disk failure, disk hardware or media fault
> 99 Non-system disk. Not a valid boot disk
>
> I assume you are using an Apricot boot disk. This machine, while based on
> the 8086 and running MS-DOS, is certainly not a PC-clone. According to
> the manual, this machine uses double-sided 80 track 720K disks (my,
> older, machine uses single-sided disks).
>
> I don't know if boot disks for other Apricot machines will work. The
> hardware is somewhat different (the F1 doesn't have the 8089 'I/O
> coprocessor' (a fancy DMA chip) that's fitted on the PC).
>
> If you are using an Apricot boot disk, I'd firstly try a different one,
> and then suspect disk drive or disk controller problems. The Apricot uses
> a Western Digital 2797 disk controller. There's a few tweakers associated
> with this chip as well.
>
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Cheers
> > Andrew
> >
> >
>
> -tony
I also need alignment for a drive on my 8800b. I have the documentation and procedures plus the MITS program to step to a specific track. In addition to an oscilloscope, one tool needed for alignment is a hammer! The biggest problem will be finding an alignment diskette. The Pertec drives are 32-hard-sectored eight-inch. Most eight-inch drives are soft-sectored. Assuming your drives are one drive per case, they are probably a FD410 with a DC motor. If your drives are two drives per case, they are probably FD511s with a AC motor. Both drives can read the same diskettes. I also have a supply of blank diskettes.
I would appreciate any suggestions on locating an alignment diskette. I would also like to hear from anyone with working drives. I would like backup and add to my MITS software collection.
Tom Sanderson
wts(a)exo.com
http://exo.com/~wts/wts10005.HTM Virtual Altair Museum
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subject: Altair 8800b + drive alignment
From: "Andrew Davie" <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:13:10 +1100
Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
I recently purchased an Altair 8800b from the original owner. He told me
that last he used it (1984?), he was having trouble reading from the disk
drive, and he was sure that it needed alignment. Apparently an alignment
disk is required.
I suspect an oscilloscope as well.
I have two questions;
1) Can someone explain the process of aligning a disk drive, what is out of
whack, and how tricky it is for a rank electronics amateur like myself
2) Where can I obtain an alignment disk, if required.
Oh, I forgot to mention, the drive is an 8", the Altair model that has the
same basic case and look of the Altair itself. This repair is one of the (I
suspect) many that will be required to bring the Altair back to life.
I've managed to get it (almost) firing up during the self-test stage, but
one of the address lines doesn't behave (the light doesn't come on on A2
when I flick the switch that should light all of them, yet the light is
operational at other stages). I'll get to that one later.
Looks like a long, slow process. But worth it, no?
Cheers
Andrew
> AutoDesk requires you to trade the original disks from the previous
> version at the dealer to order the upgrade.
Not any more . I have a customer who has her old disks.
>
I used to feel very antagonistic towards recyclers, since I saw them
as greedy sharks that would cheerfully smash any type of electronic
equipment or component, no matter how potentially useful, just for a few
cents worth of gold.
While I don't doubt that there are some who are like that, it strikes
me that they're likely only out there to make a living like the rest of
us. With that in mind, I think establishing positive relationships are
much more constructive.
I've attached a post from a recycler. He may or may not be willing to
sell useful and undamaged parts as well. Those who are interested, please
contact him directly.
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>>Learn to recycle gold. Old circuit boards, IC Chips, jewelry, etc.. can =
>>be recycled and sold again. I will buy them. If you would like more =
>>information visit my web site.=20
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>>http://www.tiac.net/users/quiksand/goldtek.htm
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>>Thanks,
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>>Jim=20
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The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272)
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"...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe
an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly
define any of them!..."
