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by manney＠nwohio.com

Yes, I checked. It is a multispeed. One of these days, when I have some time (rofl) I'll take it apart and see if I can figure out what's wrong with the HDD, which reports a 1701. One hopes these used a standard HDD? > Is that Nec a MultiSpeed? I have an older model without the backlight > and no hard drive. > > Joe

28 years, 2 months

Zenith Z-433+ Memory Problem

by plogan＠scsn.net

To whom it may concern: I have a Zenith Z-433+ and recently upgraded memory to 16MB. I am currently getting an error when I boot which says 'memory not configured correctly'. How do I get to CMOS (setup)? How do I correct error in CMOS? Thank-you in advance> Phil Logan plogan(a)scsn.net

28 years, 2 months

QUESTION: can x86 Linux write ATARI TOS boot image?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/19/98 9:23:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com writes: << I'm sure there must be some places doing mail order, however, it seems most places can't even get DD 3.5" disks, and a lot of the Amiga and Atari dealers are selling used ones. Now might be a good time to stock up on a supply of HD floppies, especially 5.25" ones! >> i think the overrated demise of 5.25 disks is way too premature. wally world (walmart) still sells 5.25 disks, in both high and low density and at work, i was looking through a catalog someone brought to work, and saw low density 5.25 disks for 19cents in lots of 100. i wouldnt worry about it yet. david

28 years, 2 months

QUESTION: can x86 Linux write ATARI TOS boot image?

by jmg＠iac.net

I'm about to pick up an ATARI with 5 1/4" 1050 floppt drive, but it will lack an OS and software. Can I use a standard DD 5 1/4" drive (say an old shugart with the BIOS set to 360K) and use dd to write an ATARI boot image file to this drive? I don't see why not, but I'm not certain if the ATARI drives used some pecular hardware, like the old mac 400k/800k variable speed drive incompatabilities. If so, does anyone have a boot/OS image for this thing? And where do I find old DD floppies these days? Thanks! J. Maynard Gelinas

28 years, 2 months

Apple //gs Boot sequence

by adept＠mcs.com

I just picked up a //gs on the cheap but never was much of an Apple guy. The machine appears to have some sort of problem (what is what I am trying to determine). When the machine is powered, it gives a tone sort of like a "tong", then it polls the floppy and repeats the tone when it is finished. No video appears on the screen at any time. Anybody have hints or foreknowledge? ;) Cheers, Dan

28 years, 2 months

Zenith Z-433+ Memory problem

by plogan＠scsn.net

28 years, 2 months

OOPs AT&Ts

by Marty＠itgonline.com

If you decide to buy an old IBM PS/2 and need tech support you can get info from IBM's web site. I picked up a PS/2 Model 60 286 based pc last year (which I used as barter for a complete IBM 16-64K PC and Victor 9000 from a furniture dealer who wanted a word processor). The system wouldn't boot due to a spent cmos battery so after replacing the battery I found the reference (setup) diskette at IBM's web site, downloaded it to a 3 1/2" floppy and was done with it. Go to ibm.com/support and search under ps/2. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: OOPs AT&Ts Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 2/19/98 3:15 PM > At 08:54 PM 2/18/98 +0000, you wrote: > >> At 11:11 PM 2/15/98 +0000, you wrote: > > > >> >Jason D. > >> > >> Still haven't been back to the place that had the pile of them. There > >> were bunches at the hamfest though. Most were $75 to $100 (asking price). > > > >Joe, > > > >Ouch! > > > >What was the usual PS/2 models with this inflated asking prices > >unless it has special reason for this? > > > >Let us know after thru these piles anyway. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Jason D. > > > > The owner is a typical surplus store owner. He buys the stuff for $30 > a pallet load (20 to 30 machines), but wants an arm and a leg for each one. > He'll scrap the stuff before selling it cheap. I went back down there > yesterday to look at some HP's and found out he had pulled ALL the boards > out of them and was still wanting $100 each for the empty boxes and power > supplys. The owner was acting like a jerk so I didn't even ask about the > PS-2s. I don't think they're anything special about the PS-2s but I'm not > very familar with them so I don't know for sure. Hee hee, I agree with you, that guy is jerk! :) Well, so good luck with alterative place anyway and see how things goes. What do you mean by what do you not familiar with PS-2s? I could help you to ID? Jason D. > > Joe > email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca Pero, Jason D. ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9g for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Feb19.151548.1767.27718; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:15:49 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA18771; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:57:32 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA39528 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:57:26 -0800 Received: from mail.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA13992 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:57:24 -0800 Received: from jpero.cgo.wave.ca (cgowave-33-17.cgocable.net [24.226.33.17]) by mail.cgocable.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA27211 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:57:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802191857.NAA27211(a)mail.cgocable.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:03:56 +0000 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: OOPs AT&Ts In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980219072323.4837c97c(a)intellistar.net> References: <199802190148.UAA01293(a)mail.cgocable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years, 2 months

CPT 8525... what is it?

by rws＠ais.net

Hi everybody- I've gotten another oddball computing object that I have no information on. (like the Diablo 1340 hardcopy terminal I posted about last week.) I've found a CPT 8525 system (out in the rain, but it doesn't look too bad). It has an internal monitor, portrait orientation, and two half-height 8" floppy drives. The keyboard is huge, with a whole section of what appear to be word-processing-related keys. Opening the case (two quarter-turn screws) reveals a somewhat modular layout. There are 4 cards in a 5-slot cardcage: (1) 1771-based floppy controller, (2) 8080A-based CPU, (3) unknown, probably I/O, and (4) 128k x 9 RAM (in 4116's). The floppy drives are held in by thumbscrews. Two more bolts and the top comes off. From here the CRT is visible. The power supply is underneath the whole thing, and the keyboard connects through heavily shielded ribbon cable. Right now I'm waiting for it to dry out before I fire it up. If anybody knows anything about this thing (or has even heard of it), I'd appreciate the help. I also picked up a (wet) TI-99/4A expansion chassis and Panasonic KX-D4910 portable data terminal with acoustic coupler or direct-connect modem and thermal printer. Richard Schauer rws(a)ais.net

28 years, 2 months

This is an RD54, right?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I have here a Maxtor XT-2190. That is an RD54, right? I have a uVAX 2000 I'd like to drop it in, but I can't get it to work, it doesn't want to acknowledge the controller. It thinks it's drive 1, and if I try to lowlevel format the drive at ID 1, it fails on the Mbb check. Ideas? The computer did have an RD53 in it, that failed (bad sectors). Failing that, can I put an ST251 or ST220 in there, hang a SCSI harddisk >from the SCSI port, and boot the ST and mount /usr on the SCSI device? I plan on running NetBSD on here. -------

28 years, 2 months

kayrpo 10 computers

by david-fisc.king＠fmr.com

You mentioned in a new aritcle that you knew someone who wanted to git rid of some Kaypro 10 computers. Do you have any more information? Thanks.

28 years, 2 months

Here's another 11/23+ question...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> < <How do I enable the console halt-on-break? Is there a switch on the CPU <for that? It's the M8189 11/23+ CPU. <------- Remove the wire or jumper from J14. J14 is in the row of pins roughly on the centerline of the board and is the fourth up from the card edge fingers (the pin closest is J10). Allison

28 years, 2 months

IEEE-488 and Commodore (was: GP-IB)

by jfoust＠threedee.com

From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> wrote: >They did, ever hear the term "the lumbering hippo", that was a nickname >many gave the 1541 disk drive... Dumpster diving at the then-recently closed offices of Amiga Corp. in Los Gatos, I found several disassembled 1541s. Later I talked to the engineer who'd thrown them out, and he described the 1541 as the "best computer that CBM ever made." :-) I distinctly remember a 1541-to-1541 disk copy taking about 40 minutes when I first got my C-64, but later "fast loaders" reduced that. The inane serial-to-parallel-to-serial business was no doubt due to a desire to get things done quickly and with the least disruption of existing ROM code and known-working applications migrating from the PET to the VIC-20 and C-64. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

Subject: Re: Apple //gs boot problem

by pb14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 18 Feb 98 at 18:24, Richard A. Cini wrote: > First, I know that this may sound silly, but where is the RESET key on the > GS? My system came with what looks to be a Mac ADB keyboard. Is the RESET > key the power key along the top, above the number keys? Lots but not all Apple ADB keyboards work with the IIGS; if a keyboard works, the Reset key will be the one somehwere at the top of the board with the left pointing arrow icon. Anyway, it's the same one that you'd use to start up a Mac with soft-power on. > Back to the drive. I initialized the drive from within the GS/OS Finder > (using the Disk | Initialize menu item). I did not specifically partition > the disk, though. If you use the Apple Disk utility (that's probably not the > exact name) that comes on the GS/OS disks, it shows no partitions, although > it identifies the drive as ProDos. > > How exactly should I take to get this to work properly? I'm obviously > missing a step somewhere. I think that you need to do a low level format on the IIGS to remove any hidden Macintosh partitioning data from the disk. You should be able to use this using the utilities on the GS/OS 6.0.1 installation disks. Formatting from the GS/OS Finder may not be sufficient. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

28 years, 2 months

Commodore Ramblings

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>> They did, ever hear the term "the lumbering hippo", that was a nickname >> many gave the 1541 disk drive... I didn't think it was that slow >Well, I always knew the 1541 drive sucked egregiously, speed wise. I >mean, it was as bad as a cassette player...what was the point? Until fast >loaders came along. They made the 1541 as fast as any Apple drive with a >fast DOS. Then it was passable. > >But what was very cool about the 1541, I later learned, was that it had >its own processor, and that you could upload a program into two drives, >hook them to each other and have them copy disks automatically...very >cool. Then when my friend gave me the program that played Daisy on the >1541 (by this time I had my own C64) I was dazzled. I wrote a similar >program for the Apple Disk ][ but the farts and grunts it made were hardly >comparable to the violin-like sqeaks that emanated from the 1541. Very >cool. I can't stay up late with an Apple //c, because it makes that awful noise when trying to read a nonexistent disk! >> >> >PS. So the Commodore did suck after all ;) It did, but I like it sooo much more than the Apple II, which is just plain boring >> performance for a very low price. (albiet slower than necessary). Also >> the 64 had other merits such as its graphics ability and incredible >> sound... Every one rips the Commodores, but you have to remwmber who >> was posting profits and who was going bankrupt in the 80s... the >> nineties are a different matter I'm afraid.. :( Exactly >After I got over the computer-cock-war syndrome I did come to realize what >a cool machine the C64 was. I actually started to program on it and >started experimenting with the sound. It could make the wildest sounds. >I wanted to port the Apple ROM Monitor to the C64 so that I'd have a >decent Monitor with which to assemble machine code, but alas my C64 died >on the carpet in front of my TV (thus beginning the C64 curse I've fallen >victim to), I guess from static electricity. They just didn't make C64's >to last I'm afraid. Thus my C64 programming soire was cut short. I killed my C64 by trying to add a reset switch and attaching the wire to the wrong power terminal. BTW, what IS the command to get into Apple's monitor from DOS? I always forget... > >Ok, now that is just plain lame. Who the hell designs a printer and >forgets about the tractor feed bands? Don't forget some certain operating systems that are self incompatible ;-P > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

GP-IB (was Re: Atari 8-bit Find)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 08:52 PM 2/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >It's used by: > >Commodore Pets >GRiD Compass >HP 3000 >HP 1000 (I think) On a side note, the GRiD 15xx series also had an add-in pod that supported GPIB. Fits in the battery compartment, passthrough for external power. Speaking of which, anyone got any GRiD 15xx PODs they want to get rid of? Also am still looking for an external floppy for my GRiD 1535exp (ooh, I shouldn't have said that: It was made in 1989! Forget I said anything, I'll just bring it up next year!) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Searching for old HPs

by joel.vedrenne＠mail.dotcom.fr

Hello, for my personnal collection I'm searching for HP-16C, 33C, 34C, 67, and/or 71B or all others HPs. I have too a HP-41CX to swap for another machine. Please respond me by mail. Thx. Joel.

28 years, 2 months

Found a decent use for a PC...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

This is downright bad... :) Today is class pictures. A few days ago, my parents (Remeber that thread?) decided they wanted, of all things, a computer. My stepdad decided to see for himself what was available online, rather than just listen to the TV. (I think it's because he figured out he can automate a lot of his business [Running a motorcycle shop] on it...) Anyway, they got a nice Pentium, with a color printer and a scanner, and so they asked me to edit a few images for them. So, we scan in his 2 grandsons, and a volkswagen bug, and combined the 2 - they were dazzled. A few more interesting tricks - aged a picture of them in front of an old car, etc. Anyway, they like the picture of the volkswagen so much, they bought T-shirt transfer papers to print on. So, I did that... I also got some time to play with said paper myself last night... Remeber when I said today was class pictures? I'll be the one in the decsystem-10 shirt... :) I conjured up a T-shirt for myself! It has the decsystem-10 logo, stolen >from the front of a TOPS-10 user manual, and underneath that is says "If it's not 36 bits, you're not playing a full DEC." (I know there should be a with in there, but there was no room on the xfer sheet) -------

28 years, 2 months

Subject: Re: I got an Apple ProFile hard drive.

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Filing the graphite slug on the ground worked like a charm. Thanks! Also looking at the drive, it seems that the drive has an Apple-custom logic board. There's probably no chance that the interface to the internal controller card is standard. Bummer. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 2 months

Apple //gs boot problem

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

> First, I know that this may sound silly, but where is the RESET key on the >GS? My system came with what looks to be a Mac ADB keyboard. Is the RESET >key the power key along the top, above the number keys? > That's the standard GS keyboard. I don't believe that true Mac keyboards include a Reset key. Yes, the key above the numbers is the Reset key. One other tidbit, the Option key can be used is also the solid-apple key. -- Kirk

28 years, 2 months

Junk nite

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I used to service the AT&T 6300 which was an Olivetti machine. The keyboard used a DB-9 connector and the power supply was unconventional using spade lugs to secure the power cables. Does this sound like your machine? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Junk nite Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 2/19/98 8:17 AM At 08:24 18/02/98 +1100, you wrote: >Just curious if I should really keep this rather well designed computer >Its an "Olivetti M24 Personal Computer". Yes, the design was "original" (=completely different) for a X86-flavour based machine;specially inside where the layout is spread on three boards:CPU, VIDEO, 8 bit ISA.(have you openened it yet?) Do you have the original keyboard also? > I'd never seen an Olivetti before, which is why I saved it from the scap heap. Now is >it scarce or nice enough to attempt to get running? It depends on what you are looking for? As "collectible" can be interesting because of its early solutions on monitor power supply (1 plug with signal and DC-PS toghether) and its design. Otherwise is another obsolete PC as many other of that age. Ciao §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ § Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE § § AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY § § Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* § § where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html § § e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it § §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9g for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Feb19.081721.1767.27610; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:17:22 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id FAA08510; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:14:26 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id FAA29306 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:13:47 -0800 Received: from mbox.queen.it (mbox.queen.it [195.223.140.7]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id FAA28895 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:13:39 -0800 Received: from async23-fo.queen.it (async23-fo.queen.it [194.184.164.33]) by mbox.queen.it (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA02799 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:17:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199802191317.OAA02799(a)mbox.queen.it> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:17:15 +0100 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: RICCARDO <chemif(a)mbox.queen.it> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Junk nite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sender: chemif(a)mbox.queen.it X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years, 2 months

Commodore tape and disk speed (was: Commodore Ramblings)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

A friend and I wrote a game for 6502 machines. Versions exist for BBC B, Acorn Electron and C64. The load module in each case is 20k bytes. I haven't got a full list of time taken to load - must do that sometime! - but on the Commie 64 it was one minute on the 1541 and SEVEN minutes on the tape (same tape system as PET, BTW - among other things, saved everything twice.) The BBC disk system was much faster - but you only got 100K or so on a disk, and a file had to occupy a contiguous chain of blocks. Philip.

28 years, 2 months

Junk nite

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 08:24 18/02/98 +1100, you wrote: >Just curious if I should really keep this rather well designed computer >Its an "Olivetti M24 Personal Computer". Yes, the design was "original" (=completely different) for a X86-flavour based machine;specially inside where the layout is spread on three boards:CPU, VIDEO, 8 bit ISA.(have you openened it yet?) Do you have the original keyboard also? > I'd never seen an Olivetti before, which is why I saved it from the scap heap. Now is >it scarce or nice enough to attempt to get running? It depends on what you are looking for? As "collectible" can be interesting because of its early solutions on monitor power supply (1 plug with signal and DC-PS toghether) and its design. Otherwise is another obsolete PC as many other of that age. Ciao ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

28 years, 2 months

Commodore Ramblings

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sam Ismail wrote (after Larry Anderson I think): > > (note, 1525 uses THIN paper not 9 1/2" form feed, a misunderstanding in > > the design specs, they thought 8 1/2" wide WITH the carrier.) > > Ok, now that is just plain lame. Who the hell designs a printer and > forgets about the tractor feed bands? Integral Data Systems, makers of the Prism and the Paper Tiger. The Paper Tiger was rev 2. Rev 1 was this...thing...called the BrighterWriter aka the IP-125 (text only) and IP-225 (with bit-mapped graphics). I used to have one. I can't remember what I did with it and don't think I want to be reminded. It was really underwhelming and without charm. Narrow paper path, lame tractors that didn't pull the paper worth a darn, dain-bread graphics support (send a ^C I think to enter graphics mode, then the characters you send go straight to the pins on the print head -- one bit per pin, send another ^C to get out, and no there was no way to escape ^C to send 0x03 to the pins). At least it took the same ribbons that went in a model 33 Teletype. -Frank McConnell

28 years, 2 months

Here's another 11/23+ question...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

How do I enable the console halt-on-break? Is there a switch on the CPU board for that? It's the M8189 11/23+ CPU. -------

28 years, 2 months

Anyone want a Cray

by adam＠merlin.net.au

How often do these come up for sale? A Cray, about 6 or 7 years old, apparntly, is being sold in Australia. They're asking $100,000, which puts it a tad out of my range. :) However, if it isn't sold it will be scrapped - I wonder if they will accept a couple of cartons of beer over whatever the scrap offer is? Anyone want it? :) Adam.

28 years, 2 months

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