Just happened to come across an old post regarding the PCjr. Its
interesting that people still occasionally talk about it. I designed the
cartridge that you were talking about. It did reset the machine. This
was done to insure that the CPU didnt go into the weeds because of the
bus glitches. I (IBM got a patent on the little "L" reset tab on the
card edge. There is also a mechanism where the cartridge actually
replaced the on-board BIOS.
..gary
While packing up two minis in racks today, I noticed that one of the
switches on my PDP-8/S is broken. It appears that the little bits of
plastic on the handle that snaps into the metal (trunnions?) have snapped
off. I think I can repair it, but in case I can not, does anyone have a
white DEC switch, as found on PDP-8/Ss? It looks to be the same shape as
those found on PDP-8/Es.
The other mini, an Interdata 14, needs lots of the caps for the
incandescants, but finding any of those would be pure fantasy.
Anyway, thank you.
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
<95 run? I mean, could a C64 or VAX have modern computer features?
Well, VAX is a modern computer! It was/is 32bits when intels biggest was
still 8bits. So happens that the version I use happen to be over ten
years old but new ones are still being built.
Now what features would a modern computer have that a 1986 Microvax-II/GPX
doesn't? Windows(is 1280x1024 color enough), multiuser, networking and
maybe even speed. If anything I'm still waiting for the modern X86
powered boxen to aquire some of the attributes of the VAX (they do but
only when running NT or LINUX).
Could a C64 do that... YES and NO. The video graphics included in the C64
is far more limited and the 8bit CPU would certainly impact speed but
every modern feature is doable(and likely was originally done on the likes
of C64s, trs80s, compucolor, ti99/4 Etal). There are people running web
browswers, Email and IP on 6500 based machines. The latter proves that
the answer is yes in that to the performance limits of older machines
there is much that can be done.
<BTW, what do you use the Vaxen and so on for?
Mostly editing files and pretty printing them. It doesn't eat much
more power than a PC so why not. The OS(VMS) allows 36 character file
names (18.18), versions and journaling and deep heirarchal directories.
The versions is nice when editing as foo_file.text;1 when edited becomes
foo_file.text;2 and the ;1 version is still around is needed. Great for
coding.
Allison
What I wonder every so often is considering the examples set by
classic computers, how quickly, efficiently, and stabley could Windows
95 run? I mean, could a C64 or VAX have modern computer features?
BTW, what do you use the Vaxen and so on for?
>
>Hummmphf!
>
>I must be real retro then...486DX2/50, 8mb ram, 516mb disk, 1x cdrom,
>33.5 modem and no sound capability.
>
>I run Gcadd6, PADS, WP5.0 and 6.0 dos, winders3.1. Almost a classic
>and it does everything I need it to do and adaquately fast.
>
>BUT... My s100 z80 crate still sees several hours a day as do my
PDP-11s
>and the vaxen that always has one up full time. All provide useful
>capability and often surprizing speed when compared to the new GUI.
>
>Allison
>
>
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If I know the problem with your Kaypro II, the red light by the disk
drives does not light up when it says "Please insert disk into Disk A".
I don't know why it happens, but a couple swift bashes on the top of the
computer will get the light on, and the drive will read the disk.
Sometimes it take 8-10 hard pounds on the top, but the light should go
on. I've been punching the top of my Kaypro II for over ten years, and
have caused no other problems by doing so.
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Hummmphf!
I must be real retro then...486DX2/50, 8mb ram, 516mb disk, 1x cdrom,
33.5 modem and no sound capability.
I run Gcadd6, PADS, WP5.0 and 6.0 dos, winders3.1. Almost a classic
and it does everything I need it to do and adaquately fast.
BUT... My s100 z80 crate still sees several hours a day as do my PDP-11s
and the vaxen that always has one up full time. All provide useful
capability and often surprizing speed when compared to the new GUI.
Allison
I have FTP working... If you have interesting PDP-10 stuff, you can
FTP it up to 209.174.127.164 in /pub/pdp10. I have about 1.2GB to burn.
I'm still working my way up through DEC breauocracy to get permission to post
my KA-10 docs.
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I just bought a Northstar Advantage. I plugged it in and
turned it on. It ran fine for about 5 minutes after which it
locked up. I pressed the reset button, but nothing happened.
So, I opened the case and found a length of wire coming off of the
floppy drive rack. It appears to be grounded to the rack. A large
resistor is in series with teh wire and the other end was floating
free. Does anyone know where this wire might connect? It was
sliding around on the motherboard, I hope it didn't short anything.
Thanks...Win
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I just got a copy of IBM PC Xenix (MS's Xenix as distributed by IBM).
It is the Base Operating System V1.00 (1984), and it runs on the PC/AT.
There are two additional products in the IBM distribution:
Software Development System
Text Formatting System
If anyone has any of these two additional components and would like to
discuss giving/selling/trading, I would greatly appreciate hearing.
Thanks,
Dave
From: "Jeff Kaneko" <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com>
Subject: RE: IEEE-488 and Commodore (was: GP-IB)
>Pardon me if I ask a stupid question, but If they were going to
>implement a high-speed serial bus for the C64/VIC/1541's, why would
>they use a device that was primarily designed for PARALLEL
>operation?
For one thing Commodore OWNED MOS Technologies (one of Tramiels more
shrewder decisions after getting burned in the pocket calculator wars by
their then calculator chip supplier, Texas Instruments). So all of MOSs
chips were dirt cheap to Commodore. The 6520/6522 played multiple roles
in the PET/VIC/64 handling the keyboard, parallel port, etc. also the
PET's parallel user port was very popular among the experimenters and
having it on the VIC and 64 added to it's appeal (besides being cheap
and in COLOR with SOUND!)
>It seems that a 6850/6851 ACIA would have been much more appropriate,
>and would have not been such a software mess.
If that were the case it would be as easy to interface as an ATARI...
yuk. I am glad, with those two CIAs you can hook just about anything to
the computer (easily given the parallel port). If it didn't it may have
fared worse than thier competition.
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From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
Subject: RE: IEEE-488 and Commodore (was: GP-IB)
>If computer holy war zealots knew the story behind this Commodore debacle
>back in the 80's when the flames were at their highest temperatures, the
>anti-C64 contingent would have had a field day.
They did, ever hear the term "the lumbering hippo", that was a nickname
many gave the 1541 disk drive...
>Oh well, you gotta love it.
>PS. So the Commodore did suck after all ;)
You forget that the VIC and 64 had an advantage over the competition,
performance for a very low price. (albiet slower than necessary). Also
the 64 had other merits such as its graphics ability and incredible
sound... Every one rips the Commodores, but you have to remwmber who
was posting profits and who was going bankrupt in the 80s... the
nineties are a different matter I'm afraid.. :(
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From: Cord Coslor <archive(a)navix.net>
Subject: Weekend finds! (CPU's, Printers, Disk Drives, Software, etc.!!)
>*Commodore 128D computer. Mint condition CPU. No monitor, disk drives,
>cables, etc. What does it take... also what type of keyboard does it
>use?
Disk drive is built-in, uses either a composite or split-composite
(Svideo) for the 40 column mode and a TTL RGBI for the 80 column mode.
Can run in three modes, Commodore 64 Emulation (99.94% bug free...),
expanded '128' mode some 64 likeness but offers better BASIC and speed
as well as access to 80 column output, and last but not least, CP/M mode
runs latter CP/M versions and the built-in drive can read a variety of
forigen CP/M format disks...
The keyboard is a non-ascii encoded keyboard that is used on the
Commodore 128. The D version is the same but in a separate unit and a
coiled cable.
>*Imagewriter // printer for Apple
Very fast, even for today, can do multi-part and does COLOR! Good
utility printer, downside is that it uses a serial (RS-422) interface.
Still supported on Macs.
>*Commodore MPS 802
Decent text output (8-pin) but only 'one-character programmable
graphics'. (there were programs that would do hi-res dumps by
constantly redefining that character and reprinting it on the same line
till it was complete, a hi-res page would take HOURS!!!)
>*Vic 1525 Graphic Printer
(note, 1525 uses THIN paper not 9 1/2" form feed, a misunderstanding in
the design specs, they thought 8 1/2" wide WITH the carrier.)
yawn... either for printing speed or 7-pin graphics printing matrix - or
both... The 7-pin 1525 printhead design set back the printer industry
for a couple years with cheap parallel versions like the Shiekosha and
Gorilla Banana.
>*KoalaPad. I think for the Commodore computer. Does anyone have some
>more info on this? Maybe some software?
Should work on the Commodore VIC-20/64/128 and Atari Computers. My
favorite Koalapad program is Dancing Bear for the VIC-20 (64 version
sucks) It's claim to fame though is Koala Paint which defined the
multi-color graphics file format standard for the 64.
>*Commodore Model 1200 Model #1670
Very nice 1200 baud direct connect modem can be used on the VIC, 64,
128, and Plus/4 (though on the +4 you have to flip one switch or cut a
trace depending on the modem version) Uses Hayes type modem commands.
>*MasterType cart for the C-64
I bought that recently, a pretty cool typing aid!
>*Below the Root (???) game copy on disk for the Commodore 64.
IMHO one of THE BEST 64 games made, a graphics adventure with a solid
story that is non-violent, a wonderful game for the kids!!!! Based on
the Below the Root book triligy by Zylpha Keatly Snyder.
>*Aztec game original box, manual, and game disk for the Apple/Commodore.
Another quality Graphics Adventure, keep it for your library. Follow in
the footsteps of the missing Professor Forrester looking for Aztec
treasures.
>*Choplifter by Broderbund orginal game disk for the Apple (?)
A computer-to-videogame classic on it's original platform.
>* Vic-20 cartridges: Pin Ball, Omega Race, Jupiter Lander, Gorf, Radar
>Rat Race, Raid on Fort Knox, Avenger, Poker, Cosmic Cruncher, and Mole
>Attack In 8 cartridge storace holder.
There are some great ones: Omega Race (THE BEST translation I've seen is
the VIC-20 one), Radar Rat Race (like arcade Rally-X, the 64 version is
just a lame port of this fine VIC version), Cosmic Cruncher (what can I
say it's a Pac-Man variant with the Commodore logo as the main
character! COOL!), Mole Attack (a fun one for the 'little kids' bonk
the moles on the head, uses keyboard) The rest are pretty good too...
>Was it all worth my $150. :-)
VERY MUCH SO, take the stuff you don't want to VCF 2.0 and you will make
your money back I'm sure... (even at reasonable prices)
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From: "kroma" <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: C64 Modem issue
>I have a C-64c and a Commodore brand 1200 modem. Since I still haven't had
>a chance to resolve the problem with my 1541 disk drive, I'd like to
>explore using the modem a bit. Can it be done in BASIC? Meaning, can I
>issue certain BASIC commands to init the modem and dial out? It's been a
>while since I've messed with any Commie machine, and when I did, I couldn't
>afford the "luxury" of a 1200 baud modem. This may be something simple, and
>I'd appreciate any help, even a pointer to info on the internet.
The Modem 1200 uses a standard Hayes command set fortunately.
10 open 2,2,3,chr$(8)+chr$(0)
20 get a$:ifa$="" goto40
30 print#2,a$;
40 get#2,a$:print a$;:goto 20
I THINK that will give you enough to use the modem at 1200baud-8/n/1...
There was a program in an issue of BBS magazine that also supported
X-Modem downloading (in BASIC!), I'll try to find it.
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Subject: Re: GP-IB (was Re: Atari 8-bit Find)
At 12:09 AM 2/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 08:52 PM 2/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>It's used by:
>>
>>Commodore Pets << *** capitalize PET, it is an acronym! ***
>>GRiD Compass
>>HP 3000
>>HP 1000 (I think)
>
>On a side note, the GRiD 15xx series also had an add-in pod that supported
>GPIB....
And for only a few hundred bucks you can buy a NEW IEEE-488 interface
card for your IBM or compatible PC... It is used ALOT in
scientific/electronic measuring devices, as well as plotters (HP mostly,
no wonder...)
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In a message dated 98-02-20 01:35:57 EST, you write:
<< PS/2e doesn't have a standard floppy drive connector nor does it have any
free non-PCMCIA slots (it has one slot that looks like MCA, and has what
looks like a 16-bit ISA riser card plugged into it, which then has the
4-slot PCMCIA box plugged into it!). I don't think there's another
machine quite like it.
>>
the 9533 has a standard 16bit isa slot, but the pcmcia adaptor fits there. you
can remove the adaptor though.
In a message dated 98-02-20 01:24:27 EST, Jason D put forth:
<< But the latest MCA based machine is currently in production are 700
series these days. Real reliable machine days in and out without >>
IBM discontinued MCA ~2 years ago. it's all pci/isa now to comply with that
pathetic pc97 specification. risc boxes still use MCA. someone at work gave me
a bunch of old software and 5.25 disks including a book on MCA explaining why
it was superior to the isa bus machines.
david
New Hampshire Computer Flea Market
?Bring your unwanted computer items to sell, and/or buy at bargain prices?
Someone may be looking for the computer hardware and software that you no
longer use. Sell those items at the Computer Flea Market on Sunday March
8 from 9 Am to 2 PM, at Daniels Hall, Rt 4, Nottingham, NH. This is an
excellent opportunity to turn your unwanted computer hardware & software,
MAC or PC, games, etc., into cash, or purchase at bargain prices. Also
just come to swap ideas with other local computer users.
Non-dealers - bring whatever you want to sell - no charge for display
space. Dealers are also welcome ($20.00 table charge, electricity
included). Admission for adults is $5.00. Free admission for children
under 12. Members of local computer groups receive $1.00 off of admission.
Join us at the flea market on the 2nd Sunday of each month starting March
8. Food & drink are available.
Dealers should reserve display space by e-mailing nhdirect(a)tiac.net or
calling 603 942-8525. Visit the Computer Flea Market web page at:
http://www.tiac.net/users/nhdirect/flea.html
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What is QDSS? Wait, let me guess...Quick Display SchlutzeStaffen?
Quantum Display Sub System? OK, I give up! What is it?
>
>[We don't need no steenking displays!]
>
>Ehehe... I expected a remark about QDSS or something here...
>-------
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Well, I can't download anything right now, but another small thing
like that is the NeoDesktop at www.newdealinc.com. It seems to
descend from GEOS. It won't fit on a floppy, but is cool anyway.
>To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Modern Minimalism (Was: Future Computing Trends)
>
>At 02:46 PM 2/20/98 PST, you wrote:
>
>>and ran it fine when it had 8MB. Visual Basic and IE4 (I don't use
>>it regulary, Opera at www.operasoftware.com is much better: 1MB
>>download!)
>
>If you think that's cool, you need to check out what they are doing
with QNX:
>
>http://www.qnx.com/iat/createdemo.html
>
>QNX is a very small micro-kernel OS that has the look of Windows 95,
has
>builtin TCP/IP networking, a notepad, a few other little doodads, and
to
>top it off, a fully functional HTML 3.2 compliant web browser. Also
>supports graphics modes up to 1024x768 in millions of colors.
>
>Okay, not amazing enough for you already? How about if I told you it
all
>ran off a 1.44mb floppy disk? Hmmmm? :)
>
>Everyone owes to themselves to go grab this FREE (yes, FREE) OS and try
it
>for themselves.
>
>
>-John Higginbotham-
>-limbo.netpath.net-
>
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Here's an interesting article from Byte magazine:
http://www.byte.com/art/9802/sec5/art1.htm
It talks about how computers are becoming obsolete the day you buy them
due to all the crazy new technologies being released into the market. My
observation is that anyone who chases technology and is always upgrading
to the latest and greatest is always going to have an "obsolete" computer.
The situation is not as bad as the article makes it out to be, not that
the article is actually saying the speed of new technology introductions
is a problem. But if people could be satisfied with what they have on
their desk, this issue of obsolescense would not be an issue at all.
In 1995 I bought a Pentium-90 system which I clocked up to 100Mhz. It
came with Windows 3.1 but I quickly upgraded to Win95. It originally had
16MB RAM (which I've since upgraded to 32M) and a 1GB HD. It has a 5.25"
and 3.5" floppy and a CD-ROM drive. I'll soon be adding another 540MB HD
I have lying around spare, and then a 1.7GB SCSI HD as soon as I find a
SCSI cable. It's slow by today's standard, but the damn thing works. I
use an old version of Microsoft Works (3.0) for my word processing and
spread sheeting; some people haven't even heard of Works! They only know
Word. But Works loads instantly, whereas Word takes it seems forever to
load which is why I don't use it. Plus its bloated and drags my system
down.
Which brings me to my point. The computers we collect are still so damn
useful! And this is not a new argument, but even though these old
machines don't have SVGA and EDO RAM and Ultra-SCSI and other new-fangled
fanciness, they still work! They can still process words, and crunch
numbers and hold information. And best of all, they play games MUCH more
fun than the current cache of cathartic creations; DOOM was novel when I
first played it, but every other incantation after it (DOOM II, QUAKE,
DUKE NUKEM, ETC) is the same game with a different "scenario" and
graphics, and that damn bobbing up and down makes me sick anyway!
Give me Choplifter, Rescue Raiders or Dino Eggs any day!
If you read the article carefully it gives a glimpse of the types of
machines that may be collectible in ten years or so. The article proposes
the dawn of the age of the "disposable" computer. This is totally
ridiculous. I cannot even relate to that mode of thinking. But on the
positive side, it means disgustingly cheap (and probably FREE) computers
10, 5, even 1(!) year(s) from now. More cheap PCs for us to run Linux on!
(Imagine having your own DLA [Distributed Linux Array] consisting of 16 or
more 300Mhz Pentium II PC, alls for just a song! You could break
government encryption with something like that :)
People these days with their 333Mhz Pentiums with 128MB RAM and 4GB
harddrives should shut the hell up and be happy.
Long live "obsolete" computers.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Sam has inspired me to once again ask for anyone interested in the
preservation and maintenance of old computer equipment and history of
the same to contact me at email: marty(a)itgonline.com
I appreciate the response I've received so far. Most responses have
been from North Carolina and Pennsylvania, only two from the DC metro
area. Hopefully we can get some activities going.
Thanks-
Marty Mintzell
"Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> wrote:
>Remeber when I said today was class pictures? I'll be the one in the
>decsystem-10 shirt... :)
Daniel, you're just so darn cute. I know what you're up to:
you're trying to get these old greybeard DEC collectors to put you
in their will - sheesh, toad.xkl.com - Paul Allen included! :-)
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
I've never heard of a Datanumerics DL8A but judging from the
description would jump on it. Sounds intriquing to me. Ask the seller
what price would make them happy. You might be pleasantly surprised.
On several occasions when I have asked this question I've been given
the equipment free or at a nominal cost. Anyway, it sounds too worthy
to be passed up. If you don't want it I certainly do.
Marty Mintzell
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Subject: Info on Datanumerics
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 2/20/98 9:17 AM
I've been offered the following
Datanumerics DL8A. It is 8080 based,
comes in a 19" rack mount case, has 4k 600ns ram, 1 current loop (I
think) port, and obviously a full front panel.
I'm curious if anyone can provide any more information about this machine.
Obviously its an early one, but I couldn't find any mention of it on the
'web. Any suggestions as to scarcity and fair price would be welcome, too.
Cheers
Andrew
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This is to all Bay Area, Ca locals...
I'd like to start a vintage computer hackers group that would cover all of
the Bay Area. This will be open to anyone interested in our hobby.
Please e-mail me so that I can add your address to the mailing list. Even
if I already know you (ie. Frank, Doug, Paul, Roger, etc.) please send me
an e-mail so that I have your most current address.
I'll start filling you in with the details once I've collected everyone's
address.
Thanks!
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:58:47 +0100 (BST), Phil Beesley
<pb14(a)leicester.ac.uk> wrote:
>I think that you need to do a low level format on the IIGS to remove
>any hidden Macintosh partitioning data from the disk. You should be
>able to use this using the utilities on the GS/OS 6.0.1 installation
>disks. Formatting from the GS/OS Finder may not be sufficient.
>Phil
I finally got it working properly. I copied the GS disk utility to
another floppy and booted from it. I then totally wiped the disk and started
>from scratch. There must have been, as you said, some leftover info from the
old Mac that was attached to it.
Thanks everyone for your help.
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- ClubWin Charter Member (6)
- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
Captain Napalm <spc(a)armigeron.com> wrote:
> I attended an auction at Florida Atlantic University last year, hoping to
>pick up some nice computer equipment. There were a stack of HPs (68k based
>ones) for sale (that I had actually used years before at the university) in
>one pallet, the monitors were in another, and the keyboards in yet a third
>(my first complaint about the auction - the people running it didn't know
>the first thing about anything they were selling).
Sounds like the University of Wisconsin-Madison surplus sale, too.
In their zeal to sell, they separate all the systems: main units over
here, keyboards in that pile, monitors over there, software and docs
to the wind. So stupid. It if looks like a PC, it must be a PC.
And then the stuff they throw out because they don't understand it...
one day I picked up several $1500 video printers in the dumpster,
still working. A bunch of janitors promoted by the Peter Principle.
And this is just the dregs! So much property simply disappears before
it runs through the cloaca of UW-Surplus. My tax dollars at work.
State and UW employees get in early, too. Gads.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
I've been offered the following
Datanumerics DL8A. It is 8080 based,
comes in a 19" rack mount case, has 4k 600ns ram, 1 current loop (I
think) port, and obviously a full front panel.
I'm curious if anyone can provide any more information about this machine.
Obviously its an early one, but I couldn't find any mention of it on the
'web. Any suggestions as to scarcity and fair price would be welcome, too.
Cheers
Andrew
Check out this URL if you're in San Francisco; it's a list of thrift
stores in the City.
http://www.sfbayguardian.com/GuardianGuides/Superlists/SFthriftstores.html
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