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by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

MSX was a "standard" that allowed machines to share mostly BASIC source code, it was popular in Europe for about 3 tears then died. I don't know the involvement of MS in that atempted "standard" but since it was crappy from the start I would believe they originated it ;). I think it was followed by MSX2, it was enhanced to keep up with the increase in computing power. >So many Z-80 CP/M machines... were they compatible, to a reasonable >extent? (I heard that MS had some standard in Japan for the purpose >called MSX. More info on that?) ------------------------------------------------------------- Fran?ois Visit the Sanctuary at: http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon PS what's the deal with that hotmail stuff? >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

Sunday Find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Found a complete HP 97 calculator today at Goodwill with leather case, manual, power supply, and some load instructions. May trade this one ?

28 years, 2 months

Free Osborne OCC-1 (Found this post in misc.forsale.computers.other.systems)

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Found this post in misc.forsale.computers.other.systems. Thought I'd copy it here in case anyone was interested and hadn't seen it. I know nothing about the person or the systems. >From: dmanley(a)cdsnet.net (Darrel Manley) >Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other.systems >Subject: Free antique computers! >Date: 22 Feb 1998 17:36:01 GMT >Organization: MegaNews! >Lines: 3 >Message-ID: <6cpnm1$9ma$6(a)news-02.meganews.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: d01a852f.dip.cdsnet.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII >X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (16bit) >Xref: news.inetnebr.com misc.forsale.computers.other.systems:34283 > >2 Osbourne OCC-1 computers, modems installed, all documentation and software >included. You pay shipping. Otherwise - landfill! -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

28 years, 2 months

Prices & Rants(was: Future Computing Trends. Still is, I gu

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>Uh, really? Last I knew, Aceropen was a division of Acer, which everything >I've seen is some of the nastiest junk in the world (read: worse than >Packard Bell)... I've had an Acer. It was nice, except very hard to open. It always jammed. >Just my $0.00002, Come ON, stop making fun of Russian money! Just because it's inflated doesn't mean it's worth less ;) >Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, >Owner, MerchWare | nuclear warhead disarmament should >zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

pong

by rus_wallden＠bc.sympatico.ca

any body want my coin op pong machine

28 years, 2 months

BBC Model B - video help

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

This sounds about right. If I counted the number of characters before the repeat, couldn't I then identify the stuck line? Then, perhaps... I could go to the hardware? Am I making sense? A -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, February 22, 1998 11:57 PM Subject: Re: BBC Model B - video help >Unlikely but possible. More likely is a memory address error. A stuck >address line will cause data to repeat 2*n times in the display memory.

28 years, 2 months

RCA CDP 1802 & SC/MP parts

by jmg＠iac.net

Hey! I just landed pieces to an 1802 kit! I've got everything but the hex keypoad and power supply (though I'm sure +12, +5, -5 would do the trick). This is not one of those single board computers like the ELF-II, it's made up of several boards which connect to the main unit via ribbon cables. Here are descriptions of the boards: Primary board with 1802 labled "Infinite" Part Number UCE100001 dated 1976 This board has a rather large crystal which appears to run at 135khz (if I'm reading the markings right). A large blue 3000 MFD capacitor, some smaller disk .01 uf capacitors, and these chips: 4) RCA 701 CD4001AE 1) RCA 631 4049AE 2) 2606B (I think this is the 256 bytes of RAM) The board also has a two sided 36 connector per side edge card, which connects to nothing. Next to the 1802 is a red ribbon cable which attaches to another board containing four LED readouts and a singfle LED light (attached to the Q bit I suppose). Each LED (but the Q light) has F9368DC 7705 - one for each LED). The second board is listed as INFINITE 1976, UCE30004. On an unattached board are two LED's, four chips and a 24 pin socket (empty - I guess for a monitor ROM). This chips are: 2) RCA 701 CD4001AE 1) M1-0110-5 (7649) 1) MC14013CP (7438) The last unattached board contains three switches and three buttons, with a metal faceplate labeled UC 1800. The buttons are labeled Reset, Start/EF1, and Enter, the switched are labeled ON/OFF, STNDBY Power, and Load Mode. This board also has four chips: 3) MC14013CP (7438) 1) RCA 636 CD4011AE Both of the unattached boards connect to the primary board via a ribbon cable terminated by a 14 pin DIP; there are two 14 pin DIP sockets on the primary board. It's unclear which board should be plugged into which socket. I also snagged pices to an SC/MP kit, along with a bunch of DOCS and old COMPUTE newsletters dating from 1978 or so (WOW!). Also got a COSMAC Microprocessor Product Guide (think I could call up RCA and order any of the things listed therein????? - HA!), and an original RCA 1800 Users manual (WOW!), in almost pristine condition. As a kid I put together an ELF-II in 1980 (I was 12), so I have some familiararity with this line of processors (could never get over the gethi instruction yuck yuck yuck). Looks like I need to put together a hex keypad and P/S to get this up and running. Anyone have any ideas? Also, this things is missing the CDP 1861 video driver which my old ELF-II used to have - what's up with this? I wonder what happened to all those old late 70's kit manufacturers... I don't see any FAQs out on the net for those old ELF's, KIMS, SYMS, and AIMS. Oh well, relpies by the curious and knowledgeable would be most appriciated. Thanks! J. Maynard Gelinas

28 years, 2 months

I got some more stuff! :-)

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

Well, at the hamfest yesterday I got a VT220 terminal, an HP-IL/HP-IB converter(maybe now I can use my HP 2225B...), a Laser 128 with two monitors(broken Zenith and working Apple Monitor III) two disk drives(Apple Disk II and a clone) a box of Apple II cards(mostly printer cards), a Hayes Micromodem II(110/300bps switchable, Apple II card and a box that sits outside the computer), two huge 9600bps leased line modems(kinda useless, but they were free!), an IBM 3180 terminal keyboard(but no terminal...), and of course I couldn't leave without getting a battery for my TH-205 radio. Everything seems to work except the VT220 keyboard and the Zenith monitor, and I have no way of testing the modems but they ligth up when plugged in, and I'm hoping that the 3180 keyboard will work with my 3191... -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek

28 years, 2 months

Tandy/Radio Shack Model 12

by gpine＠popmail.mcs.net

I have a non-working Radio Shack Model 12 computer, some software, and some documentation that I would gladly give to someone who could use them. I don't think that the unit would be worth the cost of shipping as the computer is probably useful only for parts for someone who has one already. I know that one disk drive (it has two 8-inch drives) is bad. It was physically ruining diskettes by scraping off the coating in a ring toward the center of the diskette. In the process of inspecting the unit to check out the drives, I managed to break off a nub of glass near the CRT socket and the vacuum seal was broken. If someone wanted to fix this unit, he would need one good 8-inch, half height drive and a new CRT. So far as I know it has one good drive, a good motherboard, power supply, keyboard, and whatever other electronic boards as might exist (I don't remember). The computer was working at the time I finished it off mechanically except for the bad disk drive. I also have the Model 12 Owner's Manual and TRSDOS-II Reference Manual, a brand new copy of TRSDOS 2.0B Version 02.0B.00 from Radio Shack special orders dept., a copy of Pickles and Trout CP/M for the Model 12, and a copy of SuperCalc 2 with P&T CP/M. I also have a plastic dust cover for the Model 12. I live in the Chicago area. If anyone is interested in picking up the unit, send me an email, and we'll make arrangements. If someone wants the unit enough to pay the cost of packing and shipping via Mailboxes Etc., I'll check into costs, but I doubt that it would be a good investment. Let me know of any interest. Gerald

28 years, 2 months

Found a decent use for a PC...

by dwalterm＠ix.netcom.com

At 02:11 AM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >> <No, it's just something about REALLY LARGE frontpanel boxes that rules. >> <The KA-10 is plain awesome. > >Yes, frontpanels do. It is a shame that no computer has had one since the >1970s. There just is no need for them anymore. > >What was the last machine to have a switch register and lights? The oldest >I can think of is one of the HP1000s (help me with the model number!). HP1000s with front panels: 2114 2116 2108 2112 2109 2113 2111 2117 The 2117 was the last of the family. Its also known as the 21MX F series. The 2114 was the first. A huge 4K of Core memory... 2108 and 2112 were the original MX family 2109 and 2113 were the MX-E series 2111 and 2117 were the MX-F series. There were a few more flavors as well used in combination with instruments like the 2105A. Regards, Don

28 years, 2 months

Future Computing Trends

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:41:45 -0500 >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> >To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: Future Computing Trends > >Max Eskin wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly with all you say with one exception. I have a >> Pentium 75 overclocked to 100, 16MB ram. It runs Word 95 just fine, >> and ran it fine when it had 8MB. Visual Basic and IE4 (I don't use >> it regulary, Opera at www.operasoftware.com is much better: 1MB >> download!) >> work fine too. I can only imagine how Linux would run. But to put >> this in a classical context, I agree that old computers are still >> useful, but I so wish that they had better displays :) > >I defy _anybody_ to say that a "better" display would improve any >Big Five Software arcade games as they ran on the 128x48 monochrome >graphics of the TRS-80 1/3. And I defy anybody to find a better >batch of arcade games, unless you really want to see the blood from >kicked-in faces, a fetish I outgrew 25 or so years ago. >-- Who says I want it for arcades? I don't play games much anyway. Whatever happened to desktop publishing, CAD, photoediting? What mostly annoys me is how little I can fit on an 80X25 text mode screen compared to 1280X1024 resolution and small font. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

Moving my Collection?

by polivka＠gwis.com

On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Sam Ismail wrote: > On a scarcely related note, has anyone ever seen (or does anyone have) a > TI-99/4 (no "a")? Andrew Gurudata has a page devoted entirely to the TI-99/4 at: http://www.vex.net/~guru/ti/ti994nota.htm -------------------------------------- Rich Polivka Alternate e-mail: copguy(a)geocities.com or ti994a(a)technologist.com TI Home Computer Page: http://w3.gwis.com/~polivka/994apg.html My Ohio Police Pages: http://www.cop-spot.com/~OhioBlue ------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

Vector Graghics

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I went to a trift store and found an interesting looking 5 1/4" disk. It's copy righted to Vector Graphics and Digital Research and is labeled Vector 4 CP/M Version 1.0 Release 2. Does anyone know what it's for? Joe

28 years, 2 months

OOPs AT&Ts

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

the 9533 i had was preloaded with os2 but now i'm running pcdos7 and win3.11 just fine. i trying to get a pcmcia nic to work but having problems. the nic worked in my thinkpad but i dont remember how i had my autoexec.bat and config.sys set up. i do not remember the memory inclusions and exclusions that need to be set up. david << What kind of networking problems are you having? Do you have the PCMCIA model? Some of them had a token ring card instead of PCMCIA. Obligatory 10-year-old-plus story: HSC also has a DG/One (I think they want $45 for it) and an odd-looking Morrow portable that wasn't in very good shape. I passed on both, so if anybody is looking for these things, check with these guys: http://www.halted.com/ -- Doug >>

28 years, 2 months

Datanumerics DL8a

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I asked about this one a little while back. Nobody knows what it is, apparently. Datanumerics DL8A. It is 8080 based, comes in a 19" rack mount case, has 4k 600ns ram, 1 current loop (I think) port, and obviously a full front panel. I ended up paying about US$150 for the DL8A, a Compucolor 2, and a PET 2032 A log? Maybe, but I'm curious about the DL8A. If there's any interest, I'll place images on my website when it arrives. A.

28 years, 2 months

OOPs AT&Ts

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

ah, the 9533! i bought two nonworking ones for $30 and fixed them both! i gave one to my brother that is still in warranty for two more months. these machines have 3 year warranty and some are still under warranty. Im having problems getting a nic to work, but a cute little machine nonetheless. i love the keyboard too. i have never seen the matching lcd though. david In a message dated 98-02-20 01:06:49 EST, you write: << > All PS/2 starts with 85aa-yyy, Not all of them. One of my favorite odd-ball computers is the IBM PS/2e (9533). It's a very small low-power desktop model with 4 PCMCIA slots. One of mine even has an external flat panel VGA display. Because of the low power consumption, I use one as my home LAN internet gateway. BTW, does anybody have an extra floppy and cable for one of these things? It uses a notebook floppy drive and a notebook-like cable (mylar?). >>

28 years, 2 months

PCjr serial connector pin out

by jdemaa17＠calvin.edu

We are looking to convert a PCjr computer into a serial terminal emulator, and our limiting factor is finding how to adapting its serial connector to a DB-9. Has anyone done this? We do not want to spend money on this, this is a student project. I apoligize for butting into this list as I can't find how to subscribe, so please reply by personal email. Also, if anyone knows of a good dos program to use for this project, please let me know Jeff DeMaagd jdemaa17 !at! calvin.edu http://www.calvin.edu/~jdemaa17 64-bit Alpha Linux OS user.

28 years, 2 months

NorthStar Advantage Question

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

So many Z-80 CP/M machines... were they compatible, to a reasonable extent? (I heard that MS had some standard in Japan for the purpose called MSX. More info on that?) >To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: NorthStar Advantage Question > >Joe wrote: >> >> At 07:05 PM 2/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >I just bought a Northstar Advantage. >> >> Ok what's a NorthStar Advantade? > > >They started as Kentucky Fried Computers and were later forced to >change their name to North Star Computers....according to Stan >Veit. The Advantage was a 64k Z80A running at 4MHz. It had two >built-in floppy drives...ran CP/M. Late 70's I believe. > >Win > >-- >Win Heagy >wheagy(a)erols.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

Modern Minimalism (Was: Future Computing Trends)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 02:46 PM 2/20/98 PST, you wrote: >and ran it fine when it had 8MB. Visual Basic and IE4 (I don't use >it regulary, Opera at www.operasoftware.com is much better: 1MB >download!) If you think that's cool, you need to check out what they are doing with QNX: http://www.qnx.com/iat/createdemo.html QNX is a very small micro-kernel OS that has the look of Windows 95, has builtin TCP/IP networking, a notepad, a few other little doodads, and to top it off, a fully functional HTML 3.2 compliant web browser. Also supports graphics modes up to 1024x768 in millions of colors. Okay, not amazing enough for you already? How about if I told you it all ran off a 1.44mb floppy disk? Hmmmm? :) Everyone owes to themselves to go grab this FREE (yes, FREE) OS and try it for themselves. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

Vector Graghics

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<This is a CP/M master for a Vector Graphics Vector 4 CP/M machine. Was <the Vector 4 S-100 based btw anyone? < <Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@sicon Yes it was. One of my s100 boxen is a Vector MX (s100 crate only none of the original boards). The MX was z80 powered byt the Vector 4 may have been 8088(cpm-86 V1). Allison

28 years, 2 months

Vector Graghics

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > 4 CP/M Version 1.0 Release 2. Does anyone know what it's for? <> <Hard sector agrees with my information also. But I have a note <indicating that the Vector 4 was/is a CP/M-86 machine. Any other inputs < Don, I think your right. The CP/M Version1.0 Release 2 could only be cpm-86 as CP/M-80 would ahve been more likely 1.4 or 2.2. Allison

28 years, 2 months

Seen on the Web : Does anyone need ConvexOS manuals?

by hansp＠columbia.digiweb.com

Chance for smoeone to save some documentation, and perhaps a machine... -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

28 years, 2 months

I GOT ONE

by rus_wallden＠bc.sympatico.ca

THE ARCADE PONG NEED TO FIX IT THE SDREEN IS BLURRY

28 years, 2 months

IBM docs.

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

At the risk of reviving at least two discussions better left dead, I have dug out some more IBM documents. I have a 4361 marketing leaflet - the 4361 was the entry level 370 system between the withdrawal of the 4341/4321 and the introduction of the 9370. I have practically no technical info so it won't contribute to the debate on power requirements, but it was a self contained, air-cooled unit often described as looking like a chest freezer. I also have the following pocket reference cards/books. IBM System/34 Command and OCL Statements Reference Summary (9th edition, April 1983), 170 pages IBM System/34 COBOL Reference Summary (4th edition, January 1982), 90 pages IBM System/34 Assembler Reference Summary (3rd edition, July 1979), 26 pages IBM System/32 SCP Command Statement Reference Summary (6th edition, May 1980), 23 pages It seems I have a second copy of the Command and OCL statements and Cobol reference summaries. *** IF ONE OF YOU OUT THERE WITH A SYSTEM/34 NEEDS EITHER OF THESE I WILL SEND IT/THEM TO YOU *** I might also photocopy the Assembler reference if you ask nicely. If anyone out there has a System/32 I shall be so amazed I might even send you my only copy of the reference card. The instruction set of the System/34 looks CISC and 8-bit-ish, although it handled 16 bit and (I think) 32 bit data. Typical speed seems to have been 0.1 to 0.3 MIPS. Someone on this list some months ago described it as "a room-sized 8088" which is probably about right, performance-wise... Philip.

28 years, 2 months

9370 is a dog! Was: Re: Re[2]: Firsts

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

[Power Consumption of 3090] > Are these all water machines? There are some air-cooled versions that are > probably reasonable. All 3090 models are indeed water machines. The 3090 was IBM's large mainframe of the late 1980s. There were other 370-derived machines around at the time. In particular there was the 4300 series, of which the 4361 and 4381 remained at that time (I think if you tried to buy a 4321 or 4341 you got a 4361. The price was the same, anyway.) I cannot remember whether these were air or water cooled, but they were much less powerful than the 3090 >> These figures are not even for a minimum system - you have to add disk >> drives and that awful 400Hz motor generator set - which can consume up >> to 7kW in itself. > > Yes, the 400 Hz would be a problem, almost as much as a cooling system (if > one went with a water machine - probably too big of a headache). I wonder. I have never seen inside the PSU of any of these machines, but it seems to me that the outputs are all going to be low voltage dc at a few hundred amps - so conventional switching power supplies could be contrived (tho' probably not purchased new if there are tens of kW involved!) to replace the strange 400Hz thingies. And a little circuit to provide a 400Hz heartbeat if the machine uses this at all... >> So, as I said, a typical system based around, say, a model 200 might >> consume 50kW, but even that needn't cripple you financially. > > No. Around me, electricity is not very cheap - 11 cents/kWh - but running Much the same here. > a 50kW computer is not a financial burden if done in moderation. What > might be a burden is getting the service entrance of the house to a point > where it could handle 50kW nicely. Yes. Although the elctricity company may do a lot of the work free of charge if they think you're going to use a lot of the stuff. (My parents achieved this. They wanted to move the meter board, so the electrician doing the wiring told the electricity company, they're going to use so much electricity thy'll need 3-phase and there won't be room in the existing location. Result: new 3-phase connection and new meter board, all free of charge.) > I suppose that is the good thing about RCS/RI - we are in a factory, and > are looking to get real 3-phase installed! Nice. I'm surprised you don't have this already if you're in a factory. Here we have 240V (now officially 230V but I've not noticed any change) single phase up to around 20kW peak demand, 415V 3 phase (now officially 400V, ditto) up to a megawatt or so, 11kV 3 phase above that. Some factories have their own supply at 33kV or even higher. Philip.

28 years, 2 months

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