Hi, Tony.
Thanks for the response. I can't do much about it over the next two weeks,
because I'm 12 days from dissertation hand in (with, naturally, four weeks work
to do), but I'm certainly interested.
> Well, I have one (or maybe 2) 6809 CPU boards from Acorn...
>
> Do you insist on an 'original' EPROM, or would a copy in a new 27xx be
> OK? I have an EPROM programmer, you see, and I'm pretty sure Acorn
> wouldn't mind after all these years, especially not for restoring a machine.
>
> Also, do you need schematics/ROM source for the 6809 board? I have those
> as well, I think.
>
> It would take me _months_ to find it, but I may have a Flex boot disk for
> the 6809 Acorn machine.
I'd love a 6809 board. I have the User Manual (and some others from similar
era) and the Eurocard schematics (as you may remember). I don't think I have
the ROM source, so that would be nice. I do have a rather nice Eurocard rack
(empty, cost me a fiver, and that was only because it had a nice PSU). I'd
like to build a floppy add-on for the 6809 (I have the schematics for Acorn's
one, and I think I even have the parts), so the Flex boot disk would be a
goodie.
I don't care if any of the firmware/software is original or an "off-site
backup". Since I worked for Acorn, I can assure you they wouldn't care about
copying such old stuff (unless it was ridiculously blatant for-profit misuse).
I copy ROMs myself, all the time -- there's nothing worse than finding it's the
ROM/PROM/PAL that's died in some old board, so I like to make copies of
anything I get, for security. Yes, I know some manufacturers dislike that, but
I've had two bad experiences trying to track down replacements. I have a 27xxx
programmer of my own, but I wish I could persuade the Department to let me keep
the MicroPross programmer (the one that knows how to program every TTL PROM,
almost every 27xx, 27xx, 28xx EPROM, and umpteen PALs). It may be ten years
old, but I've not seen anything else with a quarter of the performance.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Feb 28, 22:47, lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk wrote:
> hmm. did the acorn 32016 workstation ever emerge, or did the arch
> effectively replace that concept?
Yes, they first appeared a the Acorn Cambridge Workstation (ACW) which was
basically a BBC B-plus board inside a wierd monitor-type case, with a
Microvitec 14" colour monitor, a custom PSU, a 5.25" 80-track floppy, a 20MB
winchester, a 32016 with 4MB of RAM, and a LOT of metalwork. They didn't make
many; I had one for a while (I worked for Acorn) but passed it on to a dealer
eventually (idiot!). I've since seen two or three others.
There were some other similar-looking machines in the range. For example, the
ABC -- Acorn Business Computer, a Z80 instead of the 32016; and one with a
80186 and DR-DOS. Both were axed very quickly. I've still got some of the
bumf for those...
There was also a Second Processor version in a small box, as an add-on to a BBC
Micro. That came in two versions, one had 512K of memory (IIRC) and the other
had 4MB (same as the ACW). They ran the same firmware/software as the ACW,
including PANOS, a sort of cross between Unix and Flex, with hints of UCSD.
The Second Processor version remained in production for several years,
eventually being available as an add-in for the Master 128 which replaced the
BBC Micro (this version was called the Master Sientific, but it was just the
same item). I've still got the glossies for those, too...
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On 1998-02-27 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk
:> ah, if we're going to get on to the "what do i wish for?" list...
:Well, I don't recomend killing me to get your hands on my little
:collection... And I rarely sell machines.
never dream of it (unless of course, you were to flip and unload your
entire collection into the nearest municipal dump. *then*, you'd be
targeted... but that isn't going to happen ;> ;> )
:> any system based on the 32xxx (a ceres would be nice, but we doubt
:> they're available...)
:More practically, there are still a number of Whitechapel MG1's
:about. Repairing one is not hard - the main problem is the NiCd
:battery used for starting it. A Technical manual does exist...
hmm. did the acorn 32016 workstation ever emerge, or did the arch
effectively replace that concept?
:> a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> )
:Ooooh... Now that's a machine I don't have, and would like!
very rare though. linn only ever used them in-house, and god knows if
they are still in use.
:What about a Zilog 8000 ? It was/is (there's at least one still
:operational) a Z8000-based unix box. Mine has an SMD disk
didn't know about it. it'd be nice to find one, though. the processor
is more important to us than the box it come in. (except that we would
really love an olivetti, just because they're so ugly they wrap around
into cuteness ;> )
oh, add a sirius one to the list; we forgot it.
:> a perq
:Does the fact that you've listed 'perq' about 4 times mean that you
:want one from each series?
no, it means we want one about 4 times as much as we want anything else.
:> an original cp/m system or three (hm systems; the minstrel always
:> appealed)
:What do you mean by 'original'? If you mean a machine designed to
:run CP/M, then there must still be some RML 380Z's (very solid UK
:CP/M machines used in schools) about. Ditto for DEC rainbows,
:Amstrads (although I don't like those myself), BBC Z80 second
:processors, Epson QX10's (IMHO one of the nicest CP/M machines ever
:built), etc.
designed as a cp/m box is about the closest, but what we really meant
was the other definition of original - the one that's a couple of steps
either side of weird.
:Just out of curiousity, why aren't you looking for the following
:machines?
:DEC PDP8, PDP11, Vax, any other PDP's?
we must have deleted the line we were going to put in that said "any pdp
that isn't 8 or 11". not an 8, because we want to write a simulator for
that first; not an 11, because - well, it just strikes us that
everyone's got an 11...
:AMT DAP (Distributed Array Processor)
how could we program it effectively? we wouldn't refuse one if it came
along, but it isn't something for which we'd actively go looking.
:Anything transputer-based
what was/is there? did the ATW ever happen?
:The Xerox D-machines (somewhat PERQ-like in many ways)
rarity, didn't think these ever escaped from xerox. obviously if we were
offered a dolphin or (mmmmm) a dorado we'd jump at it, but why break
your heart because you can't get something that it's impossible to get?
:Torch XXX, quadX, etc
on the "refuse but not actively chase" list.
:Tiger. Now there's a strange machine.. A Z80 + 64K RAM, a 6809 + 8K
:RAM, RS232, parallel, cassette ports, 1200/75 baud modem, 7220
:graphics chip + 96K RAM, etc, etc, etc. It was going to be sold as
:a home computer...
didn't know of its existence - more information please...?
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[kip crosby]
:>> a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> )
:Okay. Now, one person mentioning this is one thing, but Tony coming
:back and knowing what it IS (even though it's Tony) is too much for
:me. Given the name Linn and the funny spelling, I keep thinking
:this is something like a turntable, but if so, why mention it here?
:What is it?
it's in the "great microprocessors" list, although it was a single-board
computer rather than an mpu. exact details slip our memory at the
moment, but the history is that the chairman of linn (yes, the company
who make the turntables) wanted a computer system to replace the ageing
systems already automating his production line. being something of a
techie, he analysed the available systems, but none of them did what he
wanted; so basically, they designed their own.
what they came up with was the machine that the intel 432 should have
been - the architecture of it was completely object-oriented, even down
to the handle:offset-based addressing. a lot of oo mechanisms were done
in hardware, there as no concept of linear address space, and the
machine ran under the steam of its own language, lingo (used in at least
one academic book on oo - we read it during our degree course - and
afawk not related to the inferno project, although it's possible...).
there was a byte article on it somewhere too (dick pountain).
sorry for the vagueness. we'd recommend looking at the great cpus list
for better detail.
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
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>mmm, a //gs... yes please here also. the thought of a 16-bit 6502 to
>play with... :> (yep, even though we have a special affection for the
>much maligned 286.)
Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to
play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a
processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant on
the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of
code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy.
All sorts of wierd and wonderful things when you switched modes; for
example switching from 16 bit accumulator to 8 bit cleared the high byte,
but switching the index registers the same.... didn't.
It was a very painful time in my life :)
A
On 1998-02-28 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk
:Eh, heh.
:So how do I get a modulus in Apple basic? The answer is not 'MOD'
:or '%'.
try A - INT(A/B) * B. certainly on our collection of homies the MOD
concept just didn't exist, so you had to cheat. why? well, some of those
basics didn't use integer math, and there's not much call for a MOD
function in floating point.
on the other hand, you could get yourself a real language like forth...
;> ;>
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
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::Torch XXX, quadX, etc
:on the "refuse but not actively chase" list.
hmm.
please, insert a "don't" in the obvious place...
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
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[tony duell]
:But there's very few similarities between (say) the PDP8,
:the PDP10 and the PDP11.
having read up on these, we'd beg to differ here. it seems to us that
all the pdps followed a very definite architectural pattern, with the
exception of the pdp11 which struck us as a major departure (the dg nova
has more in common with the early pdps than the pdp11, to our mind). ok,
so they weren't anything like binary compatible (well, between families
- there was the 5,8,12; the 1; the 4,7,9; the 6,10; and then the nova /
eclipse. all were basically accumulator-plus-memory architectures, it
seems, even the 6 and 10; all had simple, regular, but very powerful
instruction sets with minimal formatting and all instructions in one
word (if you view the 6 word size as 18 bits and call it a double word
machine :> ) - we can discern a very distinct family resemblance on the
way up.
the pdp11 marked a major change, from a 1-address to a 2-address
architecture. we aren't sure it was a good thing...
anyway, the pdp8 is much more similar to the 10 than either is to the 11.
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
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I might as well add my list:
apple //gs and a //c+ to complete my apple ][ collection,
tandy 102 disk drive
a replacement floppy drive for my mac IIcx
apple lisa
david
On 1998-02-27 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk
:Here, take my 10 year old copy of Minix. BTW, is anybody up to
:speed on the current state of Minix? I have an itch to run *ix on
:a 128K 8086 box, and it doesn't look like ELKS is ready for prime
:time.
minix is onto version 2 now; it's going the way of all unices by the
looks of things. (kernel cpu detection, 32-bit mode, ram preferences
listed in the megabytes region..) if you want to run it on a 128k
system, best stick with that 10 year old copy. or rewrite uzi to run.
btw... does anybody have a copy of the 16-bit coherent that they'd like
to pass on? any version, the older the better.
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
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[andrew]
:To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would
:make it MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette
agreed, but there's the balance between snipping enough to compress it
significantly, and leaving enough in so that those without threaded
newsreaders (and on mailing lists) will be able to make sense of it.
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
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I agree wholeheartedly with all you say with one exception. I have a
Pentium 75 overclocked to 100, 16MB ram. It runs Word 95 just fine,
and ran it fine when it had 8MB. Visual Basic and IE4 (I don't use
it regulary, Opera at www.operasoftware.com is much better: 1MB
download!)
work fine too. I can only imagine how Linux would run. But to put
this in a classical context, I agree that old computers are still
useful, but I so wish that they had better displays :)
>Here's an interesting article from Byte magazine:
>
>http://www.byte.com/art/9802/sec5/art1.htm
>
>It talks about how computers are becoming obsolete the day you buy them
>due to all the crazy new technologies being released into the market.
My
>observation is that anyone who chases technology and is always
upgrading
>to the latest and greatest is always going to have an "obsolete"
computer.
>The situation is not as bad as the article makes it out to be, not that
>the article is actually saying the speed of new technology
introductions
>is a problem. But if people could be satisfied with what they have on
>their desk, this issue of obsolescense would not be an issue at all.
>
>In 1995 I bought a Pentium-90 system which I clocked up to 100Mhz. It
>came with Windows 3.1 but I quickly upgraded to Win95. It originally
had
>16MB RAM (which I've since upgraded to 32M) and a 1GB HD. It has a
5.25"
>and 3.5" floppy and a CD-ROM drive. I'll soon be adding another 540MB
HD
>I have lying around spare, and then a 1.7GB SCSI HD as soon as I find a
>SCSI cable. It's slow by today's standard, but the damn thing works.
I
>use an old version of Microsoft Works (3.0) for my word processing and
>spread sheeting; some people haven't even heard of Works! They only
know
>Word. But Works loads instantly, whereas Word takes it seems forever
to
>load which is why I don't use it. Plus its bloated and drags my system
>down.
>
>Which brings me to my point. The computers we collect are still so
damn
>useful! And this is not a new argument, but even though these old
>machines don't have SVGA and EDO RAM and Ultra-SCSI and other
new-fangled
>fanciness, they still work! They can still process words, and crunch
>numbers and hold information. And best of all, they play games MUCH
more
>fun than the current cache of cathartic creations; DOOM was novel when
I
>first played it, but every other incantation after it (DOOM II, QUAKE,
>DUKE NUKEM, ETC) is the same game with a different "scenario" and
>graphics, and that damn bobbing up and down makes me sick anyway!
>
>Give me Choplifter, Rescue Raiders or Dino Eggs any day!
>
>If you read the article carefully it gives a glimpse of the types of
>machines that may be collectible in ten years or so. The article
proposes
>the dawn of the age of the "disposable" computer. This is totally
>ridiculous. I cannot even relate to that mode of thinking. But on the
>positive side, it means disgustingly cheap (and probably FREE)
computers
>10, 5, even 1(!) year(s) from now. More cheap PCs for us to run Linux
on!
>(Imagine having your own DLA [Distributed Linux Array] consisting of 16
or
>more 300Mhz Pentium II PC, alls for just a song! You could break
>government encryption with something like that :)
>
>People these days with their 333Mhz Pentiums with 128MB RAM and 4GB
>harddrives should shut the hell up and be happy.
>
>Long live "obsolete" computers.
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
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area I wish to apologize for monopolizing on the messages of stuff for
sale. I have a bunch to clear out and should really stay with the topic
of the older stuff I might have.
If anyone is interested in this older stuff I have please email an
inquiry. I'm getting choked with things I've saved from the landfill so
that collectors and hobbyists can enjoy them and I don't get them for
free so please don't expect to get them free either. I'm making a few
cents on this stuff and don't plan on getting rich on it and try to set
a fair price on these things to help other collectors out. My
"business" (however corporate or formal it may appear) is a one man part
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While we're making want lists, I'm interested in the following:
Apple II
Apple IIc+
Mac 128k
Mac Portable
interesting Apple/Mac stuff
anything Lisa related
TRS-80 Model 100 stuff
I have for trade:
2 white Commodore 64's w/power supply
1 beige Commodore 64 in original box w/manual & floppy drive
1 Commodore Vic 20 w/cartridges
1 CoCo 1 w/original kb
1 CoCo 1 w/modified kb
1 Apple IIe
1 AppleColor 12" RGB monitor (for IIgs)
1 Laser 128 Apple II compatible
Tom Owad
55SX boards are available for $7.00 each in the wholesale mags.
bye!
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> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: PS/2 55SX motherboards
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 12:06 PM
>
> Have a bunch of PS/2 model 55SX motherboards in the "Reply" boxes in
> great condition for sale or trade. Will sell separately for $25 each or
> will work a better price for multiples. I'll also trade for equal value
> of cdroms, sound cards, parity SIMMs in 30 or 72 pin for other machines
> I'm working on. Of course shipping is extra but these are light.
>
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I found a XEROX 820 in a trift store today. Can anyone tell me what it is?
It has a base unit with a built in monitor. It has four ports on it. One
connects to a daul 5 1/4" disks drives in an external box. Another connects
to a separate keyboard. The other two are for a serial port and printer port.
Joe
:Re: where to find them. You guys should be down here in Florida.
:I find so many that I have to pick and choose. I left behind 4
:AT&T 3B2s, a NeXt, an AT&T 6300, 2 HP Appollos and 2 HP 9000/300s
:yesterday. All of that was at a GSA auction at KSC. I did get a
:COMPLETE Commodeore Pet set and a Vax Station 3100 for Zane.
ok, so are there any jobs going in florida for cocky ex-pat limeys with
a neat line in web development and a passion for tiny programs...? :>
we'll have to start digging around at the computer auctions in this
country - anyone recommend any firms worth talking to?
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My copy does not list any credits except for Walnut Creek.
Walnut Creek CDROM
Suite 260
1547 Palos Verdes Mall
Walnut Creek, CA. 94596
(510) 674-0783
info(a)cdrom.com
Bob
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From: John Foust[SMTP:jfoust@threedee.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 9:40 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CP/M CDROM Discontinued
Walnut is a CD publisher. Unless they assembled the disc themselves,
then someone else assembled the data and may own the (collection
copyright) rights to reproduction of new CDs. Of course, they may
be looking for a new publisher, or may try to publish it themselves.
Walnut probably dropped it for lack of sales. They like to see at
least 1,000 copies sold a month. If you own a copy of the old CD,
check the credits and I'm sure you can track down the creator.
Or ask Walnut Creek. They might tell you.
It's more cost-effective and less risky these days to do short-run
CDs on CD-R. Still, all-told you can get 1,000 "real" CDs for
$800-$1,500, depending on which options you want.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
> To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would make it
> MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette these days.
Indeed so. I was amazed at how full my mail spool got today.
> Me, I'm open to trades - I have a spare Exidy Sorcerer and assorted
> oddities.
The first machine I owned was a Sorcerer; I still have one (not the same one,
sadly) and I'd love to get the WP Pac and the DevPac (or copy of the code) to
replace those I sold nearly two decades ago.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Feb 27, 23:15, Tony Duell wrote:
> > an original archimedes, with the original arthur os and the gui in basic
>
> Hmm... I still have my Arthur programmer's reference manuals, but I doubt
> I could find a set of the ROMs, alas...
Well, I'm pretty sure I have a spare set of Arthur ROMs; I *should* have two
sets of Arthur ROMs plus one set of Arthur EPROMs, from Archimedes A310 Serial
No. 27-AKB10-1000002. Which is still running, but now with RISC OS 2.00, and
a few extras like a hard disk, extra RAM, and a network connection...
If I do have spares, I might be persuaded to exchange them for some 6809
firmware for an Acorn System board.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
<The UCSD p system used a nonstandard disk format technique, the floppy
<was formatted in "blocks" and you booted the systeem off the a drive.
<It wasn't just a language, but an entire operating system/environment.
<I still have a copy of it around here somewhere from a class I took in
<the early 80's.
This was largely true for the z80based and PDP-11 based versions as well.
I still have the P-system for horizon single density.
The language addressed "units" as devices. The standard ones:
unit volume
--------------
1 console:
2 systerm:
3 graphic:
4 <volume name> system disk
5 <volume name> alternate disk
6 printer
8 REMOTE: system peripherals
9-12 <VOLUME NAME> ADDITIONAL DRIVES
Now if the code for the system interface didn't go beyond 2 floppy
devices your cooked as that was a p-system hard coded thing.
Allison
> > Mattel Aquarius with Mini-expander and two game controllers in excellent
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> These mini expanders are like mondo-rare. I don't think I've ever
> actually seen one.
While I'm thinking about it, does anyone know where I can get any
blank 3" disks (for a Mattel Aquarius QD drive)?
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I won't be left out either. I don't really want anything uncommon, and,
even though I would like to be able to get minis, I move frequently and
don't know about space, etc. until I get there. Anyay, here's my wish list:
Apple ][ Stuff
Cards, systems, I'll take it.
Comodore stuff
Don't have any, but have heard only good stuff.
What most would call "worthless PC junk"
OK, I'm a PC user. They're pretty nice, if you get down to it. I'll take
it.
Classic (non classic) Mac stuff
I'm a PC user, but one that can change. ;-) Anyway, start at (near) the
bottom, work you way to the top.
And: A SMALL (less than 100MB would be fine!) IDE HDD, as I really need to
get that computer back!!! (From my school, pretty nice AMD DX 40, 16MB RAM,
and no HDD.)
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
Is the HP48 10 years old yet?
A guy at work has a HP-48SX 128K memory card he would like to get rid
of. Is this worth anything? The maker seems to be Corvallis.
And, in the serendipity department, I lucked in to a TI59 with the PC100C
printer at work. Nobody knew what to do with it, and they couldn't get it
to work. "Well, since you are gonna throw it away, let me just take it off
your hands...".
Which brings up the question, are the old TI's hard to find? Anyone collect
them? I have my old 55, 55II, both of which died after a few years. This
59 still works, which makes me think it wasn't used much. I don't know,
just rambling.
Kelly
KFergason(a)aol.com
Have a copy of PrintMaster Gold Publishing Suite 3 for sale. Includes
original manual and cdrom. Great condition, has tons of grpahics,
clipart, examples and includes extra fonts and graphics on disk. This
program does everything including TALK! Cards, banners, leterhead,
business cards, faxes, etc. Requires 486 or higher processor and Windows
3.1x or 95.
Originally over $50 will take $25 shipped in the lower 48 states.
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