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IT WORKS! IT RUNS! AND MORE THAN ONE TERMINAL!

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

It finally accepted the DH and started using it! I know have RSTS/E v8.0 running and 16 terminal ports that work! The only bad part is, I have ABSOLUTELY *NO* idea what made it start working... I'd given up for the night and started cleaning up my mess, when I got a dumb idea and hung the console teleprinter off the 3rd port of the DH. Pushed enter, and got crap. Screwed with baudrates and other etc. and got logged in. Went upstairs and stole a VT100 off their router (They won't notice... I'll put it back...) and tested it out. All the ports are at funny baudrates and such, but they all work! Now, I have to think of a way to get this online... -------

28 years, 1 month

FREEBIES! A Pair of MicroVAX II'S need a home!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Seen on Usenet. If you can adopt these fine machines, contact the original author directly. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: "Erie Patsellis" <eriep(a)map.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: free to good home- 2 MVII (western mass) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:37:25 -0500 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.71.19.191 Message-ID: <34f9645f.0(a)204.71.19.13> Path: Supernews70!Supernews73!supernews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.19.13!204.71.19.13!204.71.19.191 Xref: Supernews70 comp.sys.dec:60992 due to change in living situation, I have 2 MVII's available, just email me to pick them up. erie -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 1 month

Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[doug on qx10] :It sounds like a nice little CP/M box with bank-switched memory :that can also run VALDOCS (whatever that is). yes. shame about VALDOCS really. it seems to have killed forth's reputation for all time. it was reputedly an integrated package written in forth - unfortunately, it seems, the people who wrote it were less than competent. for some reason it has an awful reputation, as slow, buggy, etc. never used or seen it - even in magazine reviews (not for the want of trying either) - hence the vagueness. please, someone furnish further details...? did epson ever release the source? (hmm. other things written in forth were more successful - vp-planner springs to mind, since it was so successful lotus killed it...) -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 1 month

Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I've spotted one, owner has original boxes, packaging. And the technical manuals - condition excellent. Is this a computer worth salvaging? I'd likely have to pay around US$65 He also has a AT&T 3B1 in great shape, but doesn't know what its worth. Any comments on these two appreciated. Cheers A

28 years, 1 month

Radio Shack CoCo for sale

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

How much? > >Check out http://home1.gte.net/okay/for_sale.htm >This equipment has been in my closet since I got my first PC in '87 >I wan't to sell as a package. >Gary > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

cprohman@ix17.ix.netcom.com

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

NEC APC that reminds me. we always fancied an nec apc... but what we wanted even more than that was a samurai s16. anyone else remember these? also 8" disks, 8088 running at around 4MHz, 128k basic ram, design that looked very apc-ish and quite lisa-ish also (there were a number of machines with that styling. immediately we can think of the lisa, nec apc, ncr decision mate/v, samurai s16. any more...?) the last we heard of the s16, some firm was flogging it off for 400 quid a throw or thereabouts, in response to the amstrad el cheapo pc. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 1 month

Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[tony duell] :Didn't they? There's at least one PC-jr in the UK in operational :condition, although without the original PSU, so I can't comment :whether there was ever an IBM 240V transformer unit for them. Mind :you, the technical manual only lists a 115V model. some of them must have leaked across the atlantic, even in some official capacity, but they were certainly never sold here. they were axed in the us before they could be introduced here. given how long britain had to wait for the ibm pc (and the resultant popularity of the sirius) it isn't really all that surprising... we also seem to remember personal computer world reviewing a model that they described as "the pcjr done right", which was called something like the jx and was only available in japan, and used 3.5" disks years before anything else did. are we remembering correctly...? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 1 month

PDP-11 rescue in UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

28 years, 1 month

Pretty good week

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 09:37 PM 2/26/98, you wrote: >Awww! And all I've been able to get this week is a HP-97, HP-9815 with >various interfaces and a HP 9871 printer and a Commodore Pet 2083 with >MODEM, dual disk drive, printer and tractor feed attachment with all the >docs and software. Geez, where do you guys keep all these computers??? My wife would kill me, and my daughter of 19 months would tear them up. This is one reason why I collect GRiD laptops. They are the last word in durability, and are small compared to desktop systems and others. (BTW, All I did this week was get Red Hat 5.0 setup and running on both my home and work machines, not that I'm trying to go off topic or anything...)

28 years, 1 month

16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

That's the dog I programmed. SNES. A -----Original Message----- From: kroma <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 1:02 AM Subject: Re: 16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me! > > >>Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to >>play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a >>processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant >on >>the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of >>code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. >> ><snip> > >(Getting off topic a bit) >I believe Nintendo did pretty good with it in their second generation >system, the "Super Nintendo." > > -- Kirk > > >

28 years, 1 month

16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to >play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a >processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant on >the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of >code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. > <snip> (Getting off topic a bit) I believe Nintendo did pretty good with it in their second generation system, the "Super Nintendo." -- Kirk

28 years, 1 month

Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

VALDOCS is an early example of a "works" type program for CP/M although its most noteable module was the spreadsheet. My wife liked it much better than Lotus 123. I have both a QX-10 and a QX-16. They are both quality boxes. The QX-16 is especially fun because one can boot it in either CP/M or MSDOS. I would encourage anyone to rescue examples of these fine machines. If I didn't already have one, I would be tripping all over myself to obtain a fully documented QX-10 for $65.00. In fact, if you decide to pass, let me know who to contact; I wouldn't mind having a spare. Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 2:56 AM Subject: Re: Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1 >On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Andrew Davie wrote: > >> I've spotted one, owner has original boxes, packaging. >> And the technical manuals - condition excellent. >> Is this a computer worth salvaging? I'd likely have to pay around US$65 > >A quick "power search" of Deja News will tell you that this machine has >sold recently in a range from $0 to $100 (my cursory look yielded 2 for >free, 2 at $50, and one at $100). > >It sounds like a nice little CP/M box with bank-switched memory that can >also run VALDOCS (whatever that is). > >-- Doug > >

28 years, 1 month

Demography?

by adam＠merlin.net.au

My turn. :) I'm a collector in Adelaide, South Australia - not the only one here, but one of a very small number. I'm 28, and until very recently I was a student, doin a Masters in Philosophy. (In case anyone cares, my thesis concerns the ethical status of hypothetical artificial minds - basically I'm looking at the criteria for ethical value employed with people and in animal ethics, and working out whether that criteria can be met by an artificial intelligence). As far as occupations go, I have a few (being a typical long-term student) - I'm a welder, do some web page design, some internet consultancy, Perl coding, teach ethics and critical thinking to nurses, actually get paid to MOO, work occasionally as a human guinea pig in medical tests and I am a professional Teddy Bear artist. :) I've worked in a few other areas, but they'e the most recent/current ones. Anything to pay for more computers. I started collecting late last year, although I had wanted to for ages. My first computer that I used was my uncle's Microbee - an Australian Z80 kit computer - but I rapidly moved to the TRS-80 Model 1 and Vic-20. Last year I was offered a Lisa 2/5 to save it from being scrapped, so I figured it was about time I went and picked up all the old computers I wanted when I was younger. Mostly I only get Micros, but I do branch out - it seems that I'm getting my first supercomputer soon. :) My current collection consists of (from memory - I'll probably miss a few): Amstrad CPC6128 (x2) and Notepad NC100 Apple ][+, ][e enhanced, ][e platinum, ][c (x6), ][gs, ///+, Lisa 2/5, Mac 512k Atari VCS, 400, 800, 800xl (x2), Portfolio Commodore VIC-20 (x3), 64c (x2), SX-64, 128, PC-10 DEC Microvax II Dick Smith Electronics Wizard, Dick Smith System 80 (x2), VZ-300 Exidy Sorcerer Honeywell Microsystem 6 (I'm still hunting for any information about this one). IBM PC/XT Mattel Intelvision Memotech MTX-500 Microbee 64k Sharp MZ-721 Surwave Amigo Tandy TRS-80 Model 4P, CoCo 1, CoCo 2 Wang 286 And today an OSI Challenger 4P arrived. :) Keen. My bigest wishes at the moment are for a NeXT Cube, and Apple ][c+ and a Spectravideo 318/328. Adam.

28 years, 1 month

Radio Shack CoCo for sale

by okay＠gte.net

Check out http://home1.gte.net/okay/for_sale.htm This equipment has been in my closet since I got my first PC in '87 I wan't to sell as a package. Gary

28 years, 1 month

Able DH/DM card info

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

OK, I've figured this is an Able DH/DM card, and it's not at all set right. Anyone have jumper/DIP switch info on thsi? -------

28 years, 1 month

NEC APC

by cprohman＠ix17.ix.netcom.com

A seach of the Web yields numerous hits on "NEC APC", many of which are >from cable companies. You should have no difficulty in finding cables for the computer. I can tell you that the APC indeed belongs in your museum! If there ever was a machine which stood out as before its time, that is the NEC APC. The monitor was high resolution color (I hope you got the color version) at about 640x480 if I recall. It had a dedicated graphics chip which could do line drawing, curves, etc. It had about a 102 key keyboard. It had a 1MB floppy (8", of course). It had a sound chip and integrated speaker capable of reasonable music. Does yours have a hard drive? The early hard drives were 10MB externals, by the way, so you no doubt have some kind of external connector for that as well. Many of these advanced features later (or much later) were added to the PC. IBM eventually came out with EGA, which nearly matched the APC. With the AT they nearly matched the APC's keyboard (though they still neglected putting an "ENTER" key on the keypad), and surpassed the APC's floppy capacity. It took many years though before the PC added sound cards with better capability than the APC, or graphic accelerators with dedicated graphics chips. Too bad that your APC didn't come with documentation. The APC shipped with the best documentation I have ever seen, including internal schematics, a decription of all internal logical features, and a even a full listing of the BIOS on a disk. The documentation allowed me to write for example an interrupt driven print routine to replace the timing based BIOS print routine. Using my print driver the APC was capable of fully driving a 300LPM printer, or capable of driving a 100cps printer while simultaneously doing a program edit. Try that on an early PC! I hope you got some software. The original disk included a program "BACH", which demonstrated its musical prowess. Later machines shipped with a simple program I gave to NEC called "PLAY" which allowed the machine to play music coded into a text file which listed the notes to be played and the duration of each note. Usage was "PLAY filename". Banjo music worked particularly well. There was also an impressive program that demonstated its color graphics potential. Carl

28 years, 1 month

Lisa for sale (forward)

by dastar＠wco.com

Reply directly to the author (zzyzx97(a)earthlink.net). Buyer beware. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: news.ncal.verio.com!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!nntp.csuchico.edu!newshub.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: zzyzx97(a)earthlink.net (zzyzx) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.marketplace Subject: FS: APPLE LISA Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:11:36 GMT this one is missing the power supply so I don't know if it works. It also has some corrosion on one of the boards, but maybe it can be cleaned....it looks like it can. The plastic has yellowed from being in the sun, but there are no cracks. The keyboard is nice. The mouse is missing the roller ball and the cap that keeps it in place. Sold as-is, please send me your offers. ZZyzx "Me, indecisive? I'm not so sure about that." -- end of forwarded message -- -- Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 1 month

Sorting arrays(could be considered off-topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

While I am making this program in Visual Basic 5, this problem is way over 10 years old, and the program will be old computer-related. How do I alphabetically sort an array? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

I ran into a wall again...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Closer... I installed the DH11 along with that ACT thing in the 44. Now HARDWR LIST says I have 2 DHes, and a DM. But hanging a terminal off the ACT thing yields absolutely-fscking-NOTHING. I don't have the origional DH11 distribution panel. But I have the wires that are supposed to attach to it... Can I modify a DZ11 distrib panel to use in it's place? Do I need to modify CSRs or something? Oh, and I already tried all possible combinations of cabling 'tween the ACT board and it's panel. On a sidenote: Anyone know how to break into an IBM System/34? -------

28 years, 1 month

Unix V7

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I just killed 2 hours playing wump under V7 Unix on my 11/83. Just so everyone knows, it runs, but I ave to boot RT-11 and say boot/foreign dl0: to start it... Now, once SCO makes a source liense available, I'm set! It's single user for now... Z -------

28 years, 1 month

Wanted stuff

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

I've been dorking around with this idea for a while now, and this seems a good lead-in. The basic problem was that the classiccmp web page seems to be permanently dead. Take a look at these URLs... http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/dwp.html http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/keywords.html and, of course, http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/wanted.html Suggestions are welcome, of course. Cheers, Bill.

28 years, 1 month

Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-28 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :apple //gs and a //c+ to complete my apple ][ collection, mmm, a //gs... yes please here also. the thought of a 16-bit 6502 to play with... :> (yep, even though we have a special affection for the much maligned 286.) as for a //c+ - were they the ones with the 3.5" disk instead of the 5.25"? we saw them in the states, one of the times we went over there (arizona - little hack shop in tucson that had all kinds of old hardware for frankly, silly prices; lots of pcjrs, which we'd also like one of, since they never made it over here) and thought they were cute, but we don't believe they ever crossed the atlantic. was the disk drive the only difference, or were there others & what were they if so? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 1 month

Aaargh! Item identified (BASF HD?)

by weese＠mind.net

previous subject : Can anyone identify this item ? (BASF HD?) > > On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Lynn & Mike wrote: > > > BASF model 6106, part #54670 > > > > Looks like a HD, connected to a floppy with a > > ribbon cable, which then goes to the motherbd. > > Found in what appears to be a homebrew TRS80-type > > puter with LNW expansion board. > > So this morning I walked past the Beast & noticed that what I had thought was a solid panel had an inner part that was open, hinged at the top, the little black raised rectangle at the bottom had gotten pushed & the door had popped open, & I pulled a 5 1/4" disk out of it....... (duh) ---mikey

28 years, 1 month

Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Tony. You're up late too :-) Seems we have quite a lot in common :-) > I don't know if I have a spare one, but I can trivially copy the EPROM > from the one in my Acorn System - I know where that is. That would be great. What size EPROM shall I send you? Can you see if you can find the Flex disk one day, as well? > I am looking for some of the Acorn user manuals/schematics from that > period - I think I need the 6502 CPU schematic, and the 80 column VDU > schematics/manual. It wouldn't be hard to reverse engineer them, though. I'll photocopy any of those I've got for you. Mail me a list. > Oh, and I have some kind of user I/O card in one of my Atoms that looks > as though it belongs in a System. It's easy to fit such cards to my Atom, since it's missing the bottom half of the case :-) > I know I have the 6809 manual, the Acorn DOS manual (including the disk > controller schematics), the Econet manual (System + Atom econet info), etc. Was the Acorn DOS for the Atom or 6502-based System? I assume the 6809 ran some variant of Flex? > I have a PromPro8X which does most 27xx from the 2716 onwards, and also > the bipolar and PAL modules for it. The latter only does the MMI Pals, > though. Then I have a homebrew (Elektor) GAL programmer, an Intel UPP > (2708's and 2716's), an Intel MCS8i (1702's), a Softy 1 (2708's again), a > strange thing which does upto the 2732 (including the 2708 and the 3-rail > 2716) based on an SCMP - and the 8-way copier that goes with it, etc. Hmmm... I still have the Softy-1 schematics, and I'm sure that uses an SC/MP. > One day I'll buy a modern universal programmer, but not yet... I had a Softy-1 and I wish I still did, since not many programmers do the 3-rail devices these days. Now I have a little box that sits on the 1MHz bus (it was meant for a BBC B but I have it on my Archimedes 440 now) which does 2716 - 27128, and I use a little adaptor for 27256/27512. The Department has two S3's and an S4, which I'm occasionally allowed to borrow, since they do up to 27400x. I came across a pair of 1702's in a pile of junk a few weeks ago. they're getting rare, now. I also have all the bits to build the Elektor GAL programmer (Manfred Nosswitz's design). First I'm going to redo the PCB layout, as I intend to incorporate the daughter board (for the updated version) on the same PCB, and possibly use a different DAC (the original one is a rarity, and expensive). I have the disk for the s/ware as well, but I wish I could get the source -- it grieves me to have to run it on a PC instead of a real computer. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 1 month

Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 28, 19:10, Tony Duell wrote: > > The first machine I owned was a Sorcerer; I still have one (not the same > > one, sadly) and I'd love to get the WP Pac and the DevPac (or copy of the > > code) to replace those I sold nearly two decades ago. > > Again, I'd really have to hunt for it, but I think I have the word > processor ROMs somewhere.... I'll send you some 2716's :-) > I know I have (and I know where it is) the technical manual for the > sorcerer and the S100 expansion box if you need any info. I may have sold the original machine, but I wasn't daft enough to let the tech manuals (as opposed to user guides) go with it. :-) In fact, I have both versions of the tech manual, plus the software manual, and the S100 manual. About two years ago, I used the Sorcerer for some serious development work -- debugging the code for an embedded Z80 -- and I updated the monitor ROMs. Gosh, was there ever a lot of redundant junk in there! It must have been cut-and-pasted out of something else, I reckon. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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