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Maybe list division? Re: [bcw@u.washington.edu: Re: Apology, Info, Etc...]

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. Instead of killing the current classiccmp, we could just take some parts of it off. For instance, we could make a "classiccmpmarket" list for buying/selling classics. Just a thought, Tim D. Hotze > > Folks I just received this in private email from Bill >Whitson. I rarely break rules of privacy like this, but the >information here affects _so_ many people. Depending on what happens >I may unsubscribe from this list. I want everyone to know that I've >learned some wonderful things here and feel I've 'met' some amazing >players in the high technology arena. May we meet again! > >Take Care, >J. Maynard Gelinas > > >------- Start of forwarded message ------- >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:03:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >From: Bill Whitson <bcw(a)u.washington.edu> >To: "J. Maynard Gelinas" <jmg(a)iac.net> >Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... > >Hi. > >I'm currently working with Sam Ismail on this. He may have >the capability to run the whole listserv. I'm sure he will >bring the list up to date as soon as he knows. > >Thanks for the offer. Depending on what happens with Sam, >I may take you up on it. > >- -------------------------------------------------------- >Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu >Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 >University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275 > > >On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, J. Maynard Gelinas wrote: > >jmg-> OK, >jmg-> I've received significant help from list members here in the >jmg->past, and _really_ don't want to see it disappear. I understand how >jmg->family pressures make the sustained effort of mail list maintenance >jmg->sometimes an impossibility (Hey, I ran a BBS for four years in the >jmg->80's like most of us here). So, I offer to take on list management >jmg->_if necessary_. I'm perfectly happy to share these responsibilities >jmg->with other members as well. In fact, if a whole bunch of other people >jmg->chime up and want to take on the task, I'll _gladly_ bow out! ;-) >jmg-> >jmg-> But I'd rather take on the headache of being the list >jmg->maintainer than see classiccmp die out from bickering and off topic >jmg->posts because of ineffective list maintenance. Bill, you started a >jmg->wonderful thing, but I think, at least right now, we need heavier >jmg->moderation. >jmg-> >jmg-> There are a few other folks I'd rather see in the drivers seat >jmg->before me. Tim Shoppa and Allison, for example, would both make >jmg->better choices than I (and if you guys want it, I'm outta your way). >jmg->However, this is _an_ offer; currently no one else seems to have >jmg->chimed up. >jmg-> >jmg-> I can arrange to have a Majordomo or Listproc list manager in >jmg->place at one of several hosts if necessary, but I think it would be to >jmg->everyone's benefit if the 'classiccmp' address remained the same. I >jmg->hope I haven't overstepped my bounds here... >jmg-> >jmg->Respectfully, >jmg->J. Maynard Gelinas >jmg-> >jmg-> >jmg->> Hi all. >jmg->> >jmg->> It's come to my attention that there's some discussion on >jmg->> classiccmp regarding the administration of the list. I'll >jmg->> get back to those that have contacted me asap. I haven't >jmg->> read the list in months and only do basic addition and >jmg->> removal of addresses at this point. My work and personal >jmg->> lives have made it impossible to be any more active with >jmg->> classiccmp. >jmg->> >jmg->> I encourage you to organize as you desire, by whatever >jmg->> means you can agree on if you haven't already done so. >jmg->> >jmg->> I will continue to do basic list maintenance as much >jmg->> as I'm available. >jmg->> >jmg->> Please don't count on me for anything at this point. I >jmg->> think classiccmp is great and I'm glad to have done the >jmg->> initial arrangements, but I don't even know when I'll >jmg->> have the time to just read it again. >jmg->> >jmg->> If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else >jmg->> would like to take over with their own listserv, it would >jmg->> be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. >jmg->> If you can live with the current level of administration, >jmg->> I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. >jmg->> >jmg->> Sorry to have let you guys hang - I've been meaning to >jmg->> make a post of this nature for some time and it never >jmg->> made it high enough up the priorities list. >jmg->> >jmg->> -------------------------------------------------------- >jmg->> Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu >jmg->> Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 >jmg->> University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275 >jmg->> >jmg->> >jmg->> >jmg-> >------- End of forwarded message -------

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-18 21:39:17 EST, you write: << 4. Wasn't there something called a Central Point Option Card (or something like that?) that allowed a person to install an Apple drive in a PC? ttyl srw >> the only thing i'm familiar with is the central point copy option board which let a pc do a bit copy of any disk, write protected, ibm format or not. i have two, one is an earlier version i think, but i've never gotten around to setting it up yet. david

28 years, 1 month

RGB monitor

by jstorm＠RFPP.com

Sorry, I don't have the answer. I have a 12" RGB monitor that works with a IIGS but when I plug it into my Mac IIsi, I get nothing. Please let me know if you find out where you can get technical info on Apple monitors. Thanks, jstorm

28 years, 1 month

Apology, Info, Etc...

by mark＠cyberlightstudios.com

Same here....how do I unsubscribe? I've forgotten, now...can anyone give me the address? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... >Well, I have had it with this group. I am going to ignore any messages I >get for a while - later I will check back and if it does not improve, I am >out for good. > >Now I see why a lot of people I know are not on this list. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net >

28 years, 1 month

[bcw@u.washington.edu: Re: Apology, Info, Etc...]

by jmg＠iac.net

Sigh. You're right, I got your mail before my reply came through and I jumped to a conclusion without enough facts. Still, fuck you. I don't like you. I _am_ outta here now. J. Maynard Gelinas > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:52:43 -0800 (PST) > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> > To: maynard(a)jmg.com > Subject: Re: [bcw(a)u.washington.edu: Re: Apology, Info, Etc...] > > On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, J. Maynard Gelinas wrote: > > > Whatever dude. I'm outta here. You're obviously abusing your > > power right now by intercepting the mail. You intend to shape > > opionion by censorship. This is far more unethical than my making > > public a personal email message. > > WHAT!? You posted your message publicly in ClassicCmp. Did you expect me > to ingore it or something? > > > Fuck you. > > Get a clue. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

28 years, 1 month

Robots again

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

>before I was born) -- the age of cybernetics! Whatever happened to the >age of the personal robot, and why do we still have manual vacuum >cleaners? Because they're sexier when they bend over? Cheers A

28 years, 1 month

Robots again

by adam＠merlin.net.au

I work in AI from the philosophical side, so I might be able to help here. >I just caught the end of that special. I didn't realize that interest in AI >had expired. Not at all. But there were some problems with teh aims and the possible realisations. Specifically, the dream of making a computer that could converse, as per the very foolish Turing Test, has appeared to be further away than ever. The original dream ran up against the sheer complexity of the problem, and the way in which the architecture that was being employed - basically there was a brute strength attitude, which was not successful. What is needed now is a new direction, which is being provided in a number of different areas - most notably from Daniel Dennett's COG. The one of the big problems was what is know as the Frame Problem of AI. It's not fitting to explain it here, but in essence the problem is that it takes time to catalogue the things which are not relevant, as well as those which are. Thus a computere faced with a problem would have to spend most of it's time working out what is irrelevant - severly limiting it's ability to solve anything. There are a lot of other problems, such as the distinction betweem implicit and explicit memory, but the upshot is that the old methods failed, and the new are still being developed. >Was there just no demand for AI, or has the market just taken the useful >aspects and abandoned the remainder? Isn't the Neural Net technology being >used in various pattern recognition applications (i.e. OCR) descended from >the AI research of the the 70's and 80's? The useful bits are being employed widly - fuzzy logic in toasters, expert systems all over teh place, OCR stuff, the military make extensive use of neural nets in the development of new missile technologies, etc. It has neither been given up, nor proven useless - it's just that we aren't going to be passing the Turing test for a while yet and, even if we do, it will prove nothing. Adam.

28 years, 1 month

Robots again

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>> Perhaps a real computer historian can chime in here, but I vaguely recall >> that there was considerable experimentation and debate early in the >> development of electronic computers along the lines of analog vs. digital, >> von neumann vs non-von, analogies to electronic brains, etc. > What do you mean by Von Neumann? I see that as a self-replicating mechanism... > >I have here a book from the Philips Technical Library called 'Practical >Robot Circuits' published in 1960. The first half of this book contains >the design for a robot 'dog' using essentially an analogue control system >(mostly amplifiers and comparators) to process the signals from various >sensors (photocells, microphones, thermistors, etc). The outputs of the What can this "dog" do? Does it have any kind of interesting abilities? > >BTW, the electronic side of the device uses valves (vacuum tubes). > >The second half of the book describes a tic-tac-toe machine, again using >valves. This one is entirely digital AFAIK. Why does EVERYONE love Tic-Tac-Toe so much? Bill Gates made a program, this book has a machine.... [snip] AFAIK, the Soviet Union, before it broke apart, put a lot of time into analog and mechanical machines, anything but pure IC logic, anyway. This was partly because they(we) didn't have the technology to make reliable VLSI ICs on a large scale, but mostly that the weird non- or semi-digital machines can handle a lot more beating and EM interference. > >I seem to recall that A.K. Dewdeny (That's not the right spelling...) >wrote about 'analogue gadgets' in Scientific American at some point. The >basic point IIRC was that analogue systems are good at providing fast >_approximate_ solutions to certain problems. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

Looking for a Q-Bus card

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Seth, ---------- > From: Seth J. Morabito <sethm(a)loomcom.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Looking for a Q-Bus card > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 5:12 PM > I've just acquired a MicroVAX 3800 (KA655-AA CPU), with various extra > bits and pieces. I know this is not _technically_ classic, but it > almost is... and heck, any QBus equipment feels pretty classic to me :) Lucky ... > > It has the factory-installed KFQSA-SA DSSI controller card in it, but > what I'd really like to do is put SCSI into this poor dear, as DSSI > drives are getting harder to come by. > > I've got a quick question for everyone first. Can a KZQSA-SF (SCSI) > and a KFQSA-SA (DSSI) controller live peacefully together on the same > Q-BUS, or must I dump one to use the other? No problem ... > > If I can use both, does anyone have a KZQSA-SF card they'd be willing to > give, trade, or sell to me? I Thats not so easy ... Most people want to keep their SCSI q-bus cards ... but you could easily buy a new one ... (appr. 800-1400 $) :-(( > -Seth

28 years, 1 month

DING DING! Back to your corners... WAS: Re: Irreverence to irrelevance

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:18 PM 3/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >So... on that note. I am in need of some old removable SyQuest disks for >an SQ555 drive. (the 44mb variety) Anybody know where I might find some? >The local 'puter store still sells them for $40 a pop! Take a look on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/); I see them there occasionally for reasonable prices. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

Mac hi-res monitor

by A_Finney＠wfi-inc.com

Aw, damn. Sorry again guys, this was for private E.

28 years, 1 month

FAQ and the re-mailer

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:46 AM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote: >Would it be a) desirable, b) possible to have the remailer append a very >short text to each outgoing message with "Read the faq: <FAQ URL>"?

28 years, 1 month

Mac hi-res monitor

by A_Finney＠wfi-inc.com

Do you still need this thing? At 10:56 AM 2/11/98 EST, you wrote: >yes! i need one! glad to pay shipping to nc. is it available? > >david > > >In a message dated 98-02-10 15:25:34 EST, you write: > ><< Does anyone need a Mac mono monitor? Model number MO400, circa 1987. Best > offer takes it, no matter how pathetic. Recipient either pays shipping or > picks it up in the LA area (it's not heavy at all, I can't imagine that ups > ground would be more than a few bucks on this thing). >> > >

28 years, 1 month

Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd)

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

And again, here is the message forwarded to the group. You have the power to stop this Sam....all you have to do is stop harassing me. I am acting in a completely defensive manner which means the balls in YOUR court here. We can go on like this until we're both removed from the list. And if I alone am removed then I can only hope that someone else will step up to this particular plate. At this point it's just a matter of which of us gets bored with this game first. But I think everyone can see that I'm between a rock and a hard place here. I can't give in because I said I wouldn't. My hands are tied. But you have an opportunity to be the big man here and stop harassing me. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... Once again, you've posted an off-topic message to the mailing list. Here is the FAQ, once again, in the hopes that this time you will choose to abide by it rather than flout it out of selfishness. 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are often better handled in private e-mail.

28 years, 1 month

Pro Anarchia (with apologies to Cicero)

by peacock＠simconv.com

>> My vote is to avoid this whole mess by having people respect the >> guidelines of the existing definition. Inspirational flash....how about everyone else on the list vote by filtering out the off topic stuff. We don't need no stinkin' rules. After all, the early microcomputer days were pure anarchy anyway. Jack Peacock

28 years, 1 month

Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd)

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

And again, here is a mildly edited version of your harassment for the entire group to see. I may be foolish for standing up to you but you're more foolish than me for proving correct everything that I've said about you. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd) Again, for your information, here is the FAQ which outlines what is acceptable for discussion on ClassicCmp: 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are often better handled in private e-mail.

28 years, 1 month

Sam's Instructions in Private Email (fwd)

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

And you are again harassing me because your interpretation of the FAQ in this case is inconsistent with reality. And don't think I don't know what you're trying to do...you're trying to force ME to waste bandwidth publicly to make it appear that *I'M* the problem and not you. Anybody with half a brain can see right through your ploy here, Sam. I've read it and I'm NOT off-topic as this discussion and similar ones relate to the operation of the group and that is not forbidden in the FAQ. You want to play this game then I can play FOREVER. As I said, I won't back down from you. EVER. I will construct auto-responders if necessary but here's the deal: I let you have the last word in December thinking that you'd leave people alone but you're obviously too much of a bully for that. So this time, rather than bury my head in the sand [and let me make this abundantly clear] I WILL NOT BACK DOWN FROM YOU. I will NEVER give into your bullying. You can stop this and you should since YOU are the aggressor not me. I am acting from a defensive posture and I think everyone can see that. And, although I'm sure many find this game annoying, I'm certain that even those who would have criticized me earlier for standing up to you realize precisely what you are and no longer blame me for not backing down. And just so this is clear. I would prefer that Bill remove us BOTH from the mailing list permanently than permit you to have your wicked way with the group. But make no mistake...YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR Sam. But if it takes Bill removing us both from the list forever, then I would consider that a SMALL price to pay to rid the mailing list of your vile insults and the pestilence of your malicious intentions. You are clearly suffering from mental illness and I feel sorry for you but I cannot permit you to abuse me, harass me or send me what amounts to unsolicited email spam without making the entire mailing list aware of it. Why do I do this? Because you've stated yourself you want to take over the mailing list (which I said was your goal all along) I think your behavior has GREAT bearing on your ability to actually moderate a group without it becoming a fiasco. To everyone that this annoys, I am truly sorry. I didn't want it to come to this. But I clearly have no choice but to continue standing against Sam. If you want to solve this particular problem then please and BY ALL MEANS suggest that Bill remove BOTH me and Sam from the list...Sam because he is an aggressor and me because I'm no longer in a position where I can back down. And I think that solution would satisfy everyone's sense of fairness. And remove us BOTH forever. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> Subject: Re: Sam's Instructions in Private Email (fwd) You have again posted an off-topic message. I will again send you the relevant portions of the FAQ. Please print a copy out and paste it to your wall where you can see it at all times. 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are often better handled in private e-mail.

28 years, 1 month

Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi Everyone, I have tried to drop this arguement with Sam but he insists on perpetuating it. It may be embarrassing to read this stuff but it should be kept public since it does concern the operation of this list. Sam is now complaining that this tread is off topic for this list, but he convenently forgets that he is the one that started it! In his latest tirade, Sam has accused me of using this list for profit (I wish!). I should note that selling items on the list is permitted according to the FAQs, and yes I have probably made a grand total of $50 in the last six months (net not profit). Anthony is right, Sam seems to be interested in nothing more than harassing others and tearing down this list. What I would like to know is who appointed Sam to police this list? Joe At 05:59 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >Again I warned you. I was responding publicly to a public posting by the >OWNER AND MODERATOR of the mailing list, Sam. You are so out of line >here that I can't believe anymore that your purpose on the mailing list >is to do anything other than to harass others. > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead > >PS: And I'm not going to allow you to do this privately...even if it >does annoy the group because I think everyone needs to see what kind of >person you really are and how petty and small-minded your little games >are becoming. I think this has bearing on any project that you undertake >and the extent to which others should participate in it. > > ---------- Forwarded message >---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> >To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> >Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... > > >Again, you are in violation of Section 1.1 of the FAQ which reads: > > >1.1 What is ClassicCmp? > >It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center >on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place >for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions >dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are >often better handled in private e-mail. > >Please post only on-topic messages in the future. Your cooperation would >be greatly valued by all. > >Have a nice day! > >On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote: > >> >> Personally I think the list is great and have noticed NO difficulties >> whatsoever in its administration. >> >> I would hate to see it pass into the hands of someone who clearly does >> not have the best interests of others in mind but merely wishes to >> control it for the purposes of ego inflation. >> >> I think the list is wonderful Bill and, aside from one person who is >> clearly incapable of behaving in a rational and courteous manner, should >> remain precisely as it is. >> >> That's my two cents worth... >> >> Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >> >> > If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else >> > would like to take over with their own listserv, it would >> > be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. >> > If you can live with the current level of administration, >> > I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. >> >> > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

28 years, 1 month

Looking for a Q-Bus card

by peacock＠simconv.com

>I've got a quick question for everyone first. Can a KZQSA-SF (SCSI) >and a KFQSA-SA (DSSI) controller live peacefully together on the same >Q-BUS, or must I dump one to use the other? > Pretty sure you can use both, however, if I recall the KZQSA VMS driver only supports cd-rom and tape drives, not SCSI disk drives. What you probably need is a 3rd party Q-Bus SCSI disk controller that emulates an MSCP type controller card, looks like a RQDX3. Jack Peacock

28 years, 1 month

Looking for a Q-Bus card

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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28 years, 1 month

Hitachi 2.8" (was Preserving old floppies, fixed disks...)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-17 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :[Compact Floppy Disks] :> those'll be the things amstrad used ad nauseam, yep? you can post :Yes. Also used on the Tatung Einstein (now that's a machine I've :not seen mentioned lately), the Oric and probably others that I've :forgotten. oh, the einsteins were cute. :> similar hardware to the memotech, from your description - including that regrettable decision to use the tms9918 for the display. those things are just not *good*... :At one time you could get 3" disks drives for about \pounds 30.00 :in the UK (when all other drives were over \pounds 100.00). I :bought one and put it as a second drive on my CoCo system - the :extra storage was very useful when running OS-9, and it didn't :matter that the disks weren't standard. unfortunately, the cost of other drives (and of disks) plummeted in the uk and the cost of the disks for the 3" remained high. that's probably what killed them, that and the proprietary nature of them (they may not have been intended as proprietary, but they seem to have ended up that way). and we can well believe that they were superior in quality. compared with the modern 3.5" disk, most things are... :Actually the design of the disk is vastly superior to the 3.5" one. :The metal shutter on the 3" disk is inside the case and is opened :by a slider on one edge. On the 3.5" disk the shutter can be easily :opened accidentally, and more importantly it can spring apart on :the inside edge. we've travelled that road... :One thing that people didn't like about the 3" disks was that they :were flippies - you turned them over to read the second side - at :least on most Amstrad machines. But there are real 2-head 3" drives :- I have some, along with the manual. not the one that was the second disk on a pcw8512. that was 80-track double-sided. what people *really* didn't like about them was paying 3 quid for a disk when they could see 3.5" disks around for 3 quid for a box. that'd annoy us, and amstrad weren't really clued up to it. :A TI 9927 (I think - the PAL version of the 9918) video chip + 16K :video memory *shakes head again* -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

28 years, 1 month

Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd)

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

Again I warned you. I was responding publicly to a public posting by the OWNER AND MODERATOR of the mailing list, Sam. You are so out of line here that I can't believe anymore that your purpose on the mailing list is to do anything other than to harass others. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead PS: And I'm not going to allow you to do this privately...even if it does annoy the group because I think everyone needs to see what kind of person you really are and how petty and small-minded your little games are becoming. I think this has bearing on any project that you undertake and the extent to which others should participate in it. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... Again, you are in violation of Section 1.1 of the FAQ which reads: 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are often better handled in private e-mail. Please post only on-topic messages in the future. Your cooperation would be greatly valued by all. Have a nice day! On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote: > > Personally I think the list is great and have noticed NO difficulties > whatsoever in its administration. > > I would hate to see it pass into the hands of someone who clearly does > not have the best interests of others in mind but merely wishes to > control it for the purposes of ego inflation. > > I think the list is wonderful Bill and, aside from one person who is > clearly incapable of behaving in a rational and courteous manner, should > remain precisely as it is. > > That's my two cents worth... > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead > > > If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else > > would like to take over with their own listserv, it would > > be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. > > If you can live with the current level of administration, > > I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 1 month

Symbolics 3650..

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-18 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :[Symbolics 3650] :Was that the LISPMs that lived at MIT? CONS and CADR? does anyone have either tech info, or a URL where we can get such info? (what strikes us as amusing is that stallman conceived the idea behind GNU when "ripping off" symbolics software to keep lisp machines in business. ;> is any of the source he generated whilst doing this publicly available?) -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

28 years, 1 month

RGB monitor

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-18 16:57:56 EST, you write: << Sorry, I don't have the answer. I have a 12" RGB monitor that works with a IIGS but when I plug it into my Mac IIsi, I get nothing. Please let me know if you find out where you can get technical info on Apple monitors. Thanks, jstorm >> i've tried the same thing and get the same results. i have found out there are analogue and digital RGB monitors, but i do not know the difference between the two. can anyone direct us back on topic and explain the difference?

28 years, 1 month

Irreverence to irrelevance

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

sam ismail: :Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, :drop any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars. :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :This is not your crusade, Anthony. no but you have made it yours. you seem to be in the process of perpetuating a holy war all on your lonesome here. please desist. surely, if you have a problem with the posts of individuals, you would be better advised to take it up with them on an individual basis? we have a much longer email winging its way to you privately, but we feel that this should be said in public. it's off-topic, but so be it. and to respond to the only on-topic post we've seen from you so far tonight: no, we don't know why mits used 8800 over 8080, unless it was the simple fear of being sued for copyright violation. that question wasn't settled for a while afterward. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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