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by kyrrin＠jps.net

And that request is: Would Sam, Wirehead Prime, and 'Joe' PLEASE move your mass argument to private E-mail? You can bash each other all you want over there. If the noise level doesn't drop soon, I may fade away as well. Gad, Usenet is less noisy at the moment... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

the trackstar was made years ago in the late 1980s. in fact, radio shack used to have it in the catalog for sale! you might want to check out ebay.com as they did have some of these cards for ~$20 about two months ago. it's a full length isa card that you plug a standard disk ][ into. dont know about video though. supposedly they were quite compatible and one could run just about anything on that card. david, CONTINUING to delete 99+44/100% of ccmp posts... In a message dated 98-03-19 08:05:04 EST, you write: << Just out of curiorisity, were these made by Diamond Multimedia, the ones that now make the modems, video cards, DVD drives, etc.? What are the chances of finding one? Around how much would they cost? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze ><> > There is no way to read Apple II disks in a PC. Your options are: ><> [snip] ><> and... > >How about the DIAMOND TRACKSTAR128, basically it put an applle in the >ISA bus and allowed apple and non apple disks. Looking at the manual >transfers to the PC side of the world are possible as well as running >APPLE software. > >Allison >>

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Is there a way to transfer files from an Apple II to a PC? I have a //c. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

OK, Time to make an attempt at ending this...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Hmm... I see one party causing the problem... *clickity click* One copy, Ami-chan no hatsukoi, check mqueue, give it time... Ah, darn, stopped in the queue. "sendmail -q"... we have a flakey link here... OK. Sam won't be reading email for a while... BTW, That's *NOT* a mail bomb. He asked for it. I've been ^Qing thru all that crap all morning, and I'm sick of it. He wasted a lot of my time, so I'll waste a few of his. Besides, it's only about... *clicky click* 39 meg. -------

28 years, 1 month

More of Sam's Rantings Re: Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi Everyone, Well Sam's not going to let it drop. I have not replied to the last three of his messages in order to try and let this die down but he's determined to continue try a prevoke a response. Now he apparently thinks that it's inappropriate to post anything about the operation of this list (unless he posts it, of course). But I won't bother to responde to his rantings. I'll just post it here and you can use your own judgement. Joe At 04:13 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: > >You are seriously off-topic (again). For your possible enlightenment, >here is a FREE copy of the FAQ: > > >1.1 What is ClassicCmp? > >It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center >on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place >for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions >dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are >often better handled in private e-mail. > >1.2 Why is ClassicCmp? > >Uh, why not? There are lots of people who love these old machines and it >seems like a fun idea to get together and talk about them. > >1.3 What is a Classic Computer? > >_Any computer_ that has not been manufactured for 10 years is a classic. >This definition is one I made up and it's entirely arbitrary. It seems to >work OK, so I've kept it. > >1.4 Who runs this thing? > >That would be me, Bill Whitson - email bcw(a)u.washington.edu. > >1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator? > >Sorry. It does often take me several days (sometimes weeks!) to respond >to e-mail. I am often away for days at a time and when I'm not I'm still >probably busy doing real work. I receive more than double the amount of >mail that goes to the list in the form of spam, bounced messages, odd >user requests, general bitching, etc. and I still have to filter out the >messages I actually have to respond to, to remain employed ;). I will get >back to you eventually. > >1.6 Do you know you're just duplicating work other people have done. > >I get a "reinventing the wheel" e-mail at least once a week. If you show >me another group of computer collectors that claims a membership as large >as this one I'll show you a group that must be very hard to find. Obviously >there are other groups of collectors and I'm cheering them on - I don't see >a problem with duplicating and reduplicating lore that's quickly disappearing >anyway. > >1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list? > >The daily load varies widely from about 10 messages to over 100. Average >seems to be about 44 messages a day. There are times where the message >load peaks for as much as a week. > >[][][][][][][][][] > >2.1 What can I talk about? > >Anything related to classic computers as defined above. There are many >people on this list that really know what they're talking about, so you might >want to check facts before you start shooting off messages. It's also a >good idea to actually read the FAQs and check the archives a little before >posting. > >2.2 Can I talk about PCs? > >Yes. PCs which haven't been manufactured for 10 years. Even then, be >aware that in many cases you would get a better response posting to PC >newsgroups. > >2.3 Can I talk about Minis/MainFrames/WorkStations/Gigantic Talking Boxes > with Flashing Lights & Coundown Timers/Robots from Alien Civilizations? > >There has apparently been some misconception that this is a list for >micros/home computers only. You'll note I said "misconception". > >2.4 Can I post advertisements? > >Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. And, of course, >use your brain - don't spam. Also, please state up-front whether or not >you are willing to ship the items you sell outside your country as there >are members of this list in a number of different countries. > >2.5 Can I ask people to sell/give me their computers? > >Sure. But you're not likely to get a very nice response. Mine, for example, >would be: Get your own f***ing computer! There are several people on >usenet who will vouch for this. When someone posts about one of their >machines without offering to sell it - it's really a pretty good bet that >they're not secretly trolling for offers. See section 5 for info on how to >find yourself a computer. > >2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x. > >Yes. Be aware that it may be difficult to help you fix things if you don't >have much knowledge of how computers work or of how to use basic >electronics tools (VOM/DMM, soldering iron, EPROM burner, etc). I'm no whiz >with this stuff and the little knowledge I have has come from asking >questions and then buying books to find out what "Simple... Just check >the voltage on the caps in the PS to make sure one of them isn't flaking >out!" exactly means. > >2.7 Where can I look before posting a dumb question? > >It might be a good idea to take a look at what's available in the Archive >section of the ClassicCmp web site (see below). > >2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?! > (Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?) > >Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop >any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars. > >2.9 Can I post trophy lists? > >Ahem. Er... I'm not going to go to the extent of banning this practise >but it is considered bad manners. Don't whine to me because I used to be >guilty of this and curbed myself ;). Post lists of newly acquired goods >if you actually need info on them, not just to show off. > >2.10 Can I use obscene language in my posts? > >Yes. Although I'm sure many people would prefer you did not. A number of >people have complained about this. I'm not going to outlaw swearing - now >that I've informed you that it bothers people you can make your choice. > > >On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Joe wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have tried to drop this arguement with Sam but he insists on >> perpetuating it. It may be embarrassing to read this stuff but it should be >> kept public since it does concern the operation of this list. Sam is now >> complaining that this tread is off topic for this list, but he convenently >> forgets that he is the one that started it! In his latest tirade, Sam has >> accused me of using this list for profit (I wish!). I should note that >> selling items on the list is permitted according to the FAQs, and yes I >> have probably made a grand total of $50 in the last six months (net not >> profit). Anthony is right, Sam seems to be interested in nothing more than >> harassing others and tearing down this list. >> >> What I would like to know is who appointed Sam to police this list? >> >> Joe >> >> At 05:59 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote: >> > >> > >> >Again I warned you. I was responding publicly to a public posting by the >> >OWNER AND MODERATOR of the mailing list, Sam. You are so out of line >> >here that I can't believe anymore that your purpose on the mailing list >> >is to do anything other than to harass others. >> > >> >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >> > >> >PS: And I'm not going to allow you to do this privately...even if it >> >does annoy the group because I think everyone needs to see what kind of >> >person you really are and how petty and small-minded your little games >> >are becoming. I think this has bearing on any project that you undertake >> >and the extent to which others should participate in it. >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message >> >---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) >> >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> >> >To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> >> >Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... >> > >> > >> >Again, you are in violation of Section 1.1 of the FAQ which reads: >> > >> > >> >1.1 What is ClassicCmp? >> > >> >It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center >> >on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place >> >for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions >> >dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are >> >often better handled in private e-mail. >> > >> >Please post only on-topic messages in the future. Your cooperation would >> >be greatly valued by all. >> > >> >Have a nice day! >> > >> >On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Personally I think the list is great and have noticed NO difficulties >> >> whatsoever in its administration. >> >> >> >> I would hate to see it pass into the hands of someone who clearly does >> >> not have the best interests of others in mind but merely wishes to >> >> control it for the purposes of ego inflation. >> >> >> >> I think the list is wonderful Bill and, aside from one person who is >> >> clearly incapable of behaving in a rational and courteous manner, should >> >> remain precisely as it is. >> >> >> >> That's my two cents worth... >> >> >> >> Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >> >> >> >> > If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else >> >> > would like to take over with their own listserv, it would >> >> > be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. >> >> > If you can live with the current level of administration, >> >> > I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >Sam Alternate e-mail: >> dastar(a)siconic.com >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, >> Jackass >> > >> > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 >> > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >> > >> > >> >> > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

28 years, 1 month

Finding machines (was: Question for the Faq)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>perhaps the original requestor was thinking more in terms of >geographical areas...? sure, thrift stores, but which are your personal >favourites? etc. That would be telling. ;) But seriously, specific locations don't do much good unless you know what general area you're dealing with. (I can offer some advice for San Francisco, but I rarely leave the City, and when I do, I'm generally more interested in finding a) miniature land rovers, b) donald duck stuff, c) good food, d) good beer (not necessarily in that order.)) For San Francisco, though, the places I go are: HMR - interesting stuff, fascinating place, but know what stuff is worth. Thriftcenter (in Belmont?) - on El Camino, just south of Morrison's, the teacher store (Holly exit? off 101?) (This is the place I go when rachel says "I need more sentence strips; I'll only be 10 minutes." I know I've got an hour, and she's spend more than I will.) Nifty-Thrifty - Across from the cow palace. Lots of refurbed PC's, older PC cases, occassionally some good stuff. (Passed up a bunch of Osborne 1's for $10 each, just before I started collecting. <kick> <kick> <kick>) All the surplus places in the Valley -- Weird Stuff, Haltek, Halted, Action, etc. That's about it, except the little thrift shop by my house that never has anything. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

There's another option. For those who have access to the web, check out: http://www.sequential.com/cross.htm . But, to me, the price is a tad high. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Apple - PC > ><> > There is no way to read Apple II disks in a PC. Your options are: ><> [snip] ><> and... > >How about the DIAMOND TRACKSTAR128, basically it put an applle in the >ISA bus and allowed apple and non apple disks. Looking at the manual >transfers to the PC side of the world are possible as well as running >APPLE software. > >Allison >

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Just out of curiorisity, were these made by Diamond Multimedia, the ones that now make the modems, video cards, DVD drives, etc.? What are the chances of finding one? Around how much would they cost? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze ><> > There is no way to read Apple II disks in a PC. Your options are: ><> [snip] ><> and... > >How about the DIAMOND TRACKSTAR128, basically it put an applle in the >ISA bus and allowed apple and non apple disks. Looking at the manual >transfers to the PC side of the world are possible as well as running >APPLE software. > >Allison >

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > There is no way to read Apple II disks in a PC. Your options are: <> [snip] <> and... How about the DIAMOND TRACKSTAR128, basically it put an applle in the ISA bus and allowed apple and non apple disks. Looking at the manual transfers to the PC side of the world are possible as well as running APPLE software. Allison

28 years, 1 month

VT320 help.

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

I use a VT320 a lot, so when I found one in a thrift store this week for $2, I decided to pick it up. Unfortunately, it's not in perfect health. If I plug it in without a keyboard, I get (predictably) a "Keyboard not present" error. If I plug it in with a keyboard attached, I get a screenful of garbage (the same character in a recognizable pattern, but garbage nonetheless). Bad keyboard? Wrong keyboard cable? Dead terminal? Ideas for further testing? Next prject: make it talk to my Linux box. Thanks, -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

28 years, 1 month

a manual for the northstar advantage

by disio＠milenium.com

i would know if you have a hardware manual, or where i can find one. if don't, do you know which is the meaning of: load system 00000010 hardware failure I think it's a bios failure, if so where i can find one. thanks in advance. Disio(a)milenium.com

28 years, 1 month

.LZ compression??

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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28 years, 1 month

Hitachi 2.8" (was Preserving old floppies, fixed disks...)

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Talking about disks for the Mattel Aquarius... Tony wrote... >on one edge. On the 3.5" disk the shutter can be easily opened >accidentally, and more importantly it can spring apart on the inside >edge. [snip/snip] OK, the floppies I have are NOT as described in Tony's last letter. These here disks are 77mm square, and do NOT have a shutter protecting the surface of the disk. I am sure the shutter is not missing; I have 10 disks all the same. From the circular midsection with a rectangular opening all the way to the edge, the access area on this disk looks like a large keyhole. Yet, the style is similar to a standard 3.5" floppy A side-note; these disks are advertised at having 144K unformatted capacity. Those interested can see the disks and drive at... http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/aquarius/aqdisk.jpg http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/aquarius/floppy.jpg I understand the drive is top-opening, like a CD-player, but I've yet to confirm this. I wonder if anybody knows of any other drives with this mechanism (floppies only!!) Cheers A

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by zmerch＠northernway.net

;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Kai Kaltenbach typed: >There is no way to read Apple II disks in a PC. Your options are: [snip] >2. Obtain an "Apple II-on-an-ISA-card" device (rare, no longer manufactured, >various brand names) Tho I'm not much of an Apple person (unless someone would like to send me a G3 for free... ;-) there is a place on the web that has some "Diamond Trackstar //e" boards for sale -- for $19 each (plus shipping, I believe). Dunno if that's a good price or not (or if the nomenclature is totally correct -- again, apologies for not being an Apple Nut -- CoCoNut is more my style) but it seems they have (at least) several... For the Webulators: http://www.ahhz.com/ Hope that helps someone... Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Owner, MerchWare | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

28 years, 1 month

Ooops... this Ultrix...

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Sorry, I should have clarified. I have Ultrix 4.3 for both VAXen and RISC. Based on the responses I've gotten so far, it'll end up being built around BSD 4.2-4.3, yes? I'm asking because I'll be book-shopping before too much longer, and I've had my eye on the O'Reilly books 'Unix in a Nutshell' and 'Essential System Administration.' Both seem to strike a balance between SCO and BSD. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 1 month

Apology, Info, Etc...

by bcw＠u.washington.edu

Hi all. It's come to my attention that there's some discussion on classiccmp regarding the administration of the list. I'll get back to those that have contacted me asap. I haven't read the list in months and only do basic addition and removal of addresses at this point. My work and personal lives have made it impossible to be any more active with classiccmp. I encourage you to organize as you desire, by whatever means you can agree on if you haven't already done so. I will continue to do basic list maintenance as much as I'm available. Please don't count on me for anything at this point. I think classiccmp is great and I'm glad to have done the initial arrangements, but I don't even know when I'll have the time to just read it again. If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else would like to take over with their own listserv, it would be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. If you can live with the current level of administration, I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. Sorry to have let you guys hang - I've been meaning to make a post of this nature for some time and it never made it high enough up the priorities list. -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275

28 years, 1 month

New to List

by DiesIrrae＠aol.com

Hello, I am new to the list and despite all this nonsencse about some guy named Sam, I am looking forward to gaining knowledge from this list. I currently own an Atari 400, 800, and Mac Plus. Really all I am here for is listening in and to ask a few questions when they arrive to my brain. Later, -Enrique!

28 years, 1 month

Apple - PC

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

There is no way to read Apple II disks in a PC. Your options are: 1. Serial transfer 2. Obtain an "Apple II-on-an-ISA-card" device (rare, no longer manufactured, various brand names) 3. If you have access to a Mac, and have a 3 1/2" drive on the Apple II, you can transfer the disk files to ProDOS format and read them via the Macintosh, then either write them to PC format with a Mac SuperDrive, or read the Mac disks on the PC with the various utilities available. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: Max Eskin [SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 4:32 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Apple - PC > > Is there a way to transfer files from an Apple II to a PC? I have a > //c. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

Hitachi 2.8" (was Preserving old floppies, fixed disks...)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

andrew davie was :Talking about disks for the Mattel Aquarius... yep, they're quick disks. and they probably belong in the same bucket as sinclair's microdrive and phi mag's floopy tape (anyone else remember this one?) - nice tries that just couldn't keep up, either in cost, capacity or genericity. if only our ql's microdrives still worked... they're a lovely little storage mechanism to look at. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

28 years, 1 month

Question for the Faq - If there is one.

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> wrote: >This may as well be the official location since the "official" location is >inaccessible. I hereby declare Doug's address above the new official web >address since nobody else will. I'll also volunteer to host a copy of the FAQ web page(s). I'll even help edit, write or update it - but you weren't asking for a new maintainer, were you? >B) It doesn't get sent out to new subscribers >C) People ignore it There's a few ways to handle this: send out a subscribe/unsubscribe/FAQ post every month, or put a short .signature on the digest or on every message, for a day once every couple weeks. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 1 month

Robots again

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

I just finished watching that Discovery program on Robots and was wondering if anyone involved in the list has previously/is currently working in that field Also, does anyone know how much of an influence the use of computer systems by all of those AI reasearches in the late 70's/early 80's had on system designs? I'd be interested to hear any opinions/anecdotes/etc on this stuff. Aaron

28 years, 1 month

Epson HX-20 picture online

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I have placed a piccie of my HX-20, for your viewing pleasure, at http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/hx20/hx20.jpg Please note the unit shown is sitting in a nifty snaplock carrybox from EPSON, has the expansion unit connected on the left. The leaflet shown lists the unit at $1487. This is in the days when $1AUS = US$1.09. I'm very open to trades on this unit. I'm looking for cartridges from the video console machines, and the machines themselves. Cheers A

28 years, 1 month

Keep me out of it.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I do not _want_ the job, I am simply willing to do it. I <would _prefer_ Allison or Tim Shoppa, as I think they have better First and formost, don't suck me into this. The list. It's charter is simple. Occasional digressions and ratholes can be interesting. Posturing and fighting is boring. Allison

28 years, 1 month

Finding machines (was: Question for the Faq)

by DiesIrrae＠aol.com

Speaking of finding systems. Today I found an Atari 800 (a few keys missing) at a thrift store for 50 cents. -Enrique!

28 years, 1 month

[bcw@u.washington.edu: Re: Apology, Info, Etc...]

by jmg＠iac.net

Folks I just received this in private email from Bill Whitson. I rarely break rules of privacy like this, but the information here affects _so_ many people. Depending on what happens I may unsubscribe from this list. I want everyone to know that I've learned some wonderful things here and feel I've 'met' some amazing players in the high technology arena. May we meet again! Take Care, J. Maynard Gelinas ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:03:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Bill Whitson <bcw(a)u.washington.edu> To: "J. Maynard Gelinas" <jmg(a)iac.net> Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... Hi. I'm currently working with Sam Ismail on this. He may have the capability to run the whole listserv. I'm sure he will bring the list up to date as soon as he knows. Thanks for the offer. Depending on what happens with Sam, I may take you up on it. - -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275 On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, J. Maynard Gelinas wrote: jmg-> OK, jmg-> I've received significant help from list members here in the jmg->past, and _really_ don't want to see it disappear. I understand how jmg->family pressures make the sustained effort of mail list maintenance jmg->sometimes an impossibility (Hey, I ran a BBS for four years in the jmg->80's like most of us here). So, I offer to take on list management jmg->_if necessary_. I'm perfectly happy to share these responsibilities jmg->with other members as well. In fact, if a whole bunch of other people jmg->chime up and want to take on the task, I'll _gladly_ bow out! ;-) jmg-> jmg-> But I'd rather take on the headache of being the list jmg->maintainer than see classiccmp die out from bickering and off topic jmg->posts because of ineffective list maintenance. Bill, you started a jmg->wonderful thing, but I think, at least right now, we need heavier jmg->moderation. jmg-> jmg-> There are a few other folks I'd rather see in the drivers seat jmg->before me. Tim Shoppa and Allison, for example, would both make jmg->better choices than I (and if you guys want it, I'm outta your way). jmg->However, this is _an_ offer; currently no one else seems to have jmg->chimed up. jmg-> jmg-> I can arrange to have a Majordomo or Listproc list manager in jmg->place at one of several hosts if necessary, but I think it would be to jmg->everyone's benefit if the 'classiccmp' address remained the same. I jmg->hope I haven't overstepped my bounds here... jmg-> jmg->Respectfully, jmg->J. Maynard Gelinas jmg-> jmg-> jmg->> Hi all. jmg->> jmg->> It's come to my attention that there's some discussion on jmg->> classiccmp regarding the administration of the list. I'll jmg->> get back to those that have contacted me asap. I haven't jmg->> read the list in months and only do basic addition and jmg->> removal of addresses at this point. My work and personal jmg->> lives have made it impossible to be any more active with jmg->> classiccmp. jmg->> jmg->> I encourage you to organize as you desire, by whatever jmg->> means you can agree on if you haven't already done so. jmg->> jmg->> I will continue to do basic list maintenance as much jmg->> as I'm available. jmg->> jmg->> Please don't count on me for anything at this point. I jmg->> think classiccmp is great and I'm glad to have done the jmg->> initial arrangements, but I don't even know when I'll jmg->> have the time to just read it again. jmg->> jmg->> If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else jmg->> would like to take over with their own listserv, it would jmg->> be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. jmg->> If you can live with the current level of administration, jmg->> I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. jmg->> jmg->> Sorry to have let you guys hang - I've been meaning to jmg->> make a post of this nature for some time and it never jmg->> made it high enough up the priorities list. jmg->> jmg->> -------------------------------------------------------- jmg->> Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu jmg->> Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 jmg->> University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275 jmg->> jmg->> jmg->> jmg-> ------- End of forwarded message -------

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