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by peacock＠simconv.com

>Hmm; I'm glad to hear that the N* isn't *too* fussy about the memory >cards it plays with - it makes the job of finding spares a whole lot easier! > >Regards repairs to the existing boards, I may well end up admitting >defeat in the short term - if it's a duff 4027 chip, I'm stuffed - >there's 32 of 'em to choose from! > Now that's where an IMSAI front panel really paid off. You put in the card, stored an FF in the first location, the panel display show EF instead...bingo, the RAM on D4 is bad (or more likely a bent pin or upside down in socket). Jack Peacock

28 years, 1 month

Northstar S100 compatability

by peacock＠simconv.com

>Well, the mains transformer is wired OK; it happily takes the 240V in and >spits out something (?) like 8VAC, 16VAC and respectively. The 16VAC then >goes through what I assume is a bridge rectifier, and out comes approx. >+32VDC and -32VDC. The snag *is* that it's meant to be supplying 16, not >32v! The 8v rail, fortunately, is fine. Are you sure you measured from the right ground? I have never seen a bridge rectifier that would take 16VAC going in, then provide +/-32VDC coming out the DC side. Connect your ground lead to pin 50 on the S-100 bus (the rightmost side, pins 50 and 100 are signal/power ground). You should see +8VDC (roughly) on bus pin 1/51, +16VDC on pin 2 (or 52, I forget which, don't have a schematic in front of me), and -16Vdc on pin 52 (or pin 2). If you still show +/-32VDC, look at the transformer, something's wrong there (you would have a 120V xfrmr instead of a 240V one). Jack Peacock

28 years, 1 month

Crisis Over, Back To Your Homes, Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

The list is, more or less, on topic, and I've taken this oppertuinity to ask a question: My Apple ][ has a Language card called a "Pocket Rocket". Now, what does this do? Does it let me write in such languages as Pascal, C, or, on my ][+, Integer BASIC? Also, is RAM expansion avaible to increase RAM to 128K (As I've heard that it could go to...) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 1 month

Symbolics 3650..

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

> :[Symbolics 3650] A couple of resources I found online... The Online Symbolics Museum: http://www.brightware.com/~rwk/symbolics/ Symbolics Technical Summary: http://www.lavielle.com/~joswig/symbolic-computing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

Northstar S100 compatability

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Out of interest, what would a N* want with 256K anyway? Presumably, <whatever OS it is running is pretty hefty stuff! It ran NSdos which was pretty lightweight. and didn't care much about how much ram there was. It was possible to run multiuser NSdos. CP/M was commonly ported to it and 2.2 could be banked if you weren't faint of hear and CPM-3 was designed for banked operation. MPM was a multiuser cpm that also could use banked ram while running multiple users. Mine has 128k in it at current, running CP/M-2 banked. Allison

28 years, 1 month

Catweasel, etc.

by jfoust＠threedee.com

"Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)email.msn.com> > Here's my idea. Why can't we contact those vendors that are still in >{corporate} existence and who at one time produced interesting and useful >hardware or software (examples would be MicroSolutions, or CentralPoint), >and try to purchase, for nominal $$$, the rights to produce and distribute >these goods in small quantities. Because as soon as they think there's a buck to be made, the price will become prohibitive. :-) There's some hope for classic computers from the Catweasel people. In their FAQ, they admit knowledge of eight-inch drives, and would be willing to add support for them and their disk formats if someone loaned them a drive and some disks. The problem? They're in Germany. Andrew De Quincey <adq(a)tardis.ed.ac.uk> recently posted some messages to various Usenet classic groups regarding a project where he's capturing the bit-level signals from a drive, and using a Java program to decode it to higher levels of representation. I've been improving my ANSI C tools for getting directories and bursting disk image files for UCSD Pascal and RT-11. Right now they work on logical-order disk images, but I want to improve them to read physical-sector-order images, as well as Anadisk's extra eight-byte sector-header format. Sadly, Anadisk doesn't work under a WinNT command shell, I have to boot back to DOS. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 1 month

Vic-20 heads-up

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: >Sorry for the on-topic post, but, I just wanted to let folks know that >there is a guy (Ward(?) Shrake) who is archiving Vic-20 cartridges. >This sort of serious, practical preservation is definitely to be commended. What is he doing to address the question of copyright? Might not some of these titles be owned by someone? - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 1 month

Cleaning up classic books

by Marty＠itgonline.com

First, you should appeal to these thrift shops to use a pencil. Some thrift shops I haunt will pencil in the price on the inside cover, then to thwart repricers, pencil it in again on a different page. I've never had any luck removing grease pencil and have ended up smearing it. I suggest you look up the Library of Congress on the web and email them for advice if they have nothing listed for book preservation. Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Cleaning up classic books Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/19/98 7:42 PM Many of the old computer books I get from thrift stores have the price of the book written in grease pencil on the inside cover of the book. I'd like to remove this safely. Can someone point me to the right place to find this sort of information? Thanks. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar19.194222.1767.33023; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:42:23 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA11739; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:56 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA17044 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:50 -0800 Received: from shell.wco.com (root(a)shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA08101 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:49 -0800 Received: from shell (dastar@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id QAA28027 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980319163413.10428C-100000@shell> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:40 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Cleaning up classic books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Sender: dastar@shell X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years, 1 month

Found few chips and one interesting chip.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<One guy had list of stuff for sale or trades recently within last <week or so and was asking for those 8228 chips. <1 x AMD 8284A <1 x Fujitsu 8284A <3 x Nec 8284AD 8284 .NEQ 8228. The 8284/A is specific to 8088/v20 and 8228 is specific to 8080. <MC857P, dated '71 of 18th week. uRTL or DTL (utilogic) , real slow and real old. Generally simple gates or maybe a dual flipflop. Allison

28 years, 1 month

information

by turloughobrien＠tinet.ie

I am a student in Trinity college Dublin,Ireland.I have been assigned a project on "videotext" but there is little to no information available on the net about "Videotext" or in the libraries.I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me some informatin on the subject. Yours sincerly Turlough O'Brien. turloughobrien(a)tinet.ie

28 years, 1 month

Vic-20 heads-up

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I second Uncle Roger's comments. Ward is a great guy and is doing the Vic-20 community a great service. I have also contributed to the archiving and CD project. BTW, the URL is http://members.aol.com/wshrake/index.htm Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:55 AM Subject: Vic-20 heads-up > >Sorry for the on-topic post, but, I just wanted to let folks know that >there is a guy (Ward(?) Shrake) who is archiving Vic-20 cartridges. He has >a list posted on the web (and of course, I don't have URL here on the >train) and is actually taking images of the cartridge ROM's for a CD-ROM >(as well as scanning pictures of the labels and such.) > >If anyone is really interested, e-mail me and I'll dig up the URL where >he's got a list of all the cartridges that were available. (If you have >one that's not on the list, please let him know!) > >I'm proud to say that I did have one that wasn't on the list (Fun with >Music, by Epyx) and am sending it, along with another (apparently >incredibly rare) cart (Dot Gobbler) for him to take images of. > >This sort of serious, practical preservation is definitely to be commended. > >(I remember staying up late and playing one of the text adventures on a >Vic-20 with a friend of mine. His first introduction to computers. I was >happy to be able to offer him a new experience, since he had provided me >with so many.) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > >

28 years, 1 month

Vic-20 heads-up

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Sorry for the on-topic post, but, I just wanted to let folks know that there is a guy (Ward(?) Shrake) who is archiving Vic-20 cartridges. He has a list posted on the web (and of course, I don't have URL here on the train) and is actually taking images of the cartridge ROM's for a CD-ROM (as well as scanning pictures of the labels and such.) If anyone is really interested, e-mail me and I'll dig up the URL where he's got a list of all the cartridges that were available. (If you have one that's not on the list, please let him know!) I'm proud to say that I did have one that wasn't on the list (Fun with Music, by Epyx) and am sending it, along with another (apparently incredibly rare) cart (Dot Gobbler) for him to take images of. This sort of serious, practical preservation is definitely to be commended. (I remember staying up late and playing one of the text adventures on a Vic-20 with a friend of mine. His first introduction to computers. I was happy to be able to offer him a new experience, since he had provided me with so many.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

oddball find PS/2-50, NOT oddball PS/2. :))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Guys, everyone should have this book by Scott Mueller, "Upgrading and <Repairing PCs". Tis' have good INFO on most PS/2, PS/1 and some late <IBM boxens including the PC, XT and AT in all types, convertible, <5155 portable. I have that book and it's leaving me guessing on some of this. <Not in this sense. Correctly stated, in IBM's words: for this 50 <series uses either MFM/RLL card that plugs into that MCA bus or the <IDE MCA hd and pass thru card called IDE (MCA IDE) on Interposer <Card. It must be the mfm/rll as the card in the MCA bus is fairly busy and the drive is sparse. <BTW, got a spare working 1.44 FDD for that 50 series? All I have is <this battle damaged naked 50Z board with CPU and rom with stand up <floppy adaper. Or better yet, any luck finding a spare PS/2 with <386 or better boxen? I have no desire to get into MCA bus or for that fact PS/2 or machines of that era. Older ISA I have but that's it other than the more current 386 and 486 box to run mail, linux and gcadd. I may trade off these ps/2s. Allison

28 years, 1 month

information

by peacock＠simconv.com

Turlough O'Brien wrote: "videotext" but there is little to no information available on the net about "Videotext" or in the libraries.I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me some informatin on the subject. (This is from memory and unreliable) There was a proposed standard for North America called NAPLPS, for videotext presentation. I believe it was sponsored by Philips. If someone has a complete collection of BYTE magazines, I recall there was an issue devoted to videotext, circa 1981. The one clever feature of NAPLPS was that the graphics were based on floating point coordinates. Because screen sizes and resolutions would vary, positioning and sizing graphics was a problem. NAPLPS used a coordinate system where the width and height of the screen ranged from 0 to 1. For instance, to place a pixel in the center, you referenced coordinates (0.5, 0.5). Videotext never really caught on in the US except on cable TV as a non-interactive display. I believe there are still a few videotext services piggybacking on satellite channels. They transmit on one of the unused scan lines at the top of the picture, similar to closed captioning for the deaf. To my knowledge the only truly successful videotext implementation was the french minitel telephone directory. Hope this gives you a place to start. Jack Peacock

28 years, 1 month

New Adds to Museum

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well all the last couple weeks have 50/50 as my sources stsrt to have less and less computer items. But I did some of the following Mac IIfx, Mac IIsi, Mac IIci (all for $15 each); all were loaded with software and worked fine no kb's or mice with them just the boxes. A couple of servers one Dell and the Compaq but not 10 years old yet for $10 each with no memory or hard drives. A NeXt black laser printer for $15, NEC MultiSpeed EL with power brick and manuals $20 at Goodwill. COMQuest PC for .80, IIc mono monitor and stand .80, Apple IIc free no power supply with it. Atari newstyle 2600 .80,Mac 512k model M0001E will not power on .80, IBM 6156-003 Portable Disk Drive unit,Pitney Bowes in AT style case with black 3.5 FD $10 not tested yet, and todays finds have not been listed yet in the computer so I can't tell you what all I got but my pickup was full. Yes I got 2 IBM 5494's anyone know something about them ?? Thanks and keep computing John

28 years, 1 month

Northstar S100 compatability

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Simon, how timely of you. I just acquired a NorthStar Horizon yesterday which uses four 64KB memory boards (parity). Each board has four 9 chip rows of 16KB dram. I haven't got the documentation for this machine yet, the previous owner has it in storage with software as well (he claims) and said he might have it for me by next week. I'll let you know more details when I get the docs. Marty Mintzell marty(a)itgonline.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Northstar S100 compatability Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/19/98 3:50 PM Hi there, guys. I've been lurking on this list for a good long while now, and some of the recent talk of Northstar crates actually prompted me to dig one out that I had aquired a good few years ago and promptly forgotten about...! Does anyone have any idea what sort of RAM cards the Horizon likes to play with? My system already has an (albeit flakey) RAM-16 card, and I have the remains of an old Godbout Econoram-II card, sans about half its chips. I have *no* idea whether this card was ever used with the N*. The machine is not in great condition, bless it; it seems to have been robbed of a couple of voltage regulators at some point in the past, and the full-height 5.25 drives are, I fear, past their best, and shall be retired gracefully. I think that the PSU could do with some adjustment, too; if anyone in the UK has schematics for any of these bits, and would be willing to make copies in exchange for money or eternal gratitude, please let me know! Still, despite it's problems, I suppose I should at least be grateful that I have at least found a manufacturer of hard-sectored diskettes! [1] Thanks. Simon. -- Simon Coombs simon(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk Don't stand on ceremony; just bow low. CP/M - The once and future O/S! [1] Or, at least, they still were as of Jul 97. ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar19.155025.1767.32971; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:50:25 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA05533; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:33:18 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA21170 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:32:48 -0800 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id MAA12994 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:32:47 -0800 Received: from nenevr.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.39]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1021057; 19 Mar 98 20:01 GMT Received: (from simon@localhost) by nenevr.demon.co.uk (8.6.9/v3.2) id TAA13790; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:45:08 GMT Message-Id: <Pine.3.89.9803191910.A13753-0100000(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:45:08 +0000 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Simon Coombs <simon(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Northstar S100 compatability MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years, 1 month

Archive Corp FT60 Adapter Board Jumper Settings

by dar617＠idirect.com

I have 2 EAX6GPSC-499R cards and a FT-60 tape drive. I have just cleaned up the tape drive (the interior tape mechanism is marked Archive model #9050B) and have yet to try it as I need a tape. I also have the software to run the board and drive and they appear to work. Thanks for the info on the type of tape needed. I have three sets fo jumpers {kk(on), hh(off), ff(off), jj(off), q24(on), 45mb(on)} {3(on), 4(on), 5(on), 6(on), 7(on), 8(on), 9(off), 10(on)} {RR(off), IRQ 1thru3(3 on), DRQ 1thru3(1 on), DACK(?) 1thru3(1 on)} Doug Rea

28 years, 1 month

Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again....

by bwit＠pobox.com

---------- From: Max Eskin[SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 9:40 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again... >What's wrong with COBOL? The OBOL part.

28 years, 1 month

Northstar S100 compatability

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Well, the mains transformer is wired OK; it happily takes the 240V in and <spits out something (?) like 8VAC, 16VAC and respectively. The 16VAC then <goes through what I assume is a bridge rectifier, and out comes approx. <+32VDC and -32VDC. The snag *is* that it's meant to be supplying 16, not <32v! The 8v rail, fortunately, is fine. Fix that! That 32v is way to high and will snuff the regulators used for +/-12v. I would expact something closer to 22v DC. Also the caps used would be stressed if subjected to that for an extended time. It sounds like the power is wired wrong. <Methinks that the previous owner may have been a little naughty with the <wiring; but I'm not confidant enough with electronics to play with it <too much. This is one machine I don't want to risk blowing up! :) Sounds that way. Get help from someone on your side of the pond if your in over your head as that's a fine machine. With 64k of ram and software it's still pretty useful. At least mine still earns it's keep. Allison

28 years, 1 month

whoa there...

by maynard＠jmg.com

Jeesh folks, I'm really sorry about this. It may take some time for your local DNS servers to update their cache. Until that time the Admin at my remote ISP (the guys maintaining my DNS records), have set up a sendmail virtusertable to forward mail from their local mail server (see www.sendmail.org if this is greek to you). OK, so if any bounce messages wound up on the mailing list it should stop now.... J. Maynard Gelinas

28 years, 1 month

mail problems

by maynard＠jmg.com

Folks, I'm in an mx record tangle with my primary nameserver (which of course, I don't admin). If you can get your nameserver to kill the TTL on it's cache you'll get me, otherwise it's going to bounce until the TTL ends. I've unsub'd from classiccmp to prevent any bounces (I assume there were bounces <*cringe*>?). Will subscribe back once this is straightened out.... J. Maynard Gelinas

28 years, 1 month

What I think to be a good idea...

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On the list, Don was talking about the MicroSolutions MatchPoint card, which, with its associated software, permitted reading and writing Apple disks on a standard PC drive, and another hardware item I can 't remember at this time. Here's my idea. Why can't we contact those vendors that are still in {corporate} existence and who at one time produced interesting and useful hardware or software (examples would be MicroSolutions, or CentralPoint), and try to purchase, for nominal $$$, the rights to produce and distribute these goods in small quantities. Although it would take some of the sport out of trying to locate a MatchPoint card, for example, it would enable us to produce these tools for ourselves, thus becoming self-sufficient in a way. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 1 month

Apology, Info, Etc...

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:55 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: >> I encourage you to organize as you desire, by whatever >> means you can agree on if you haven't already done so. [...] >Ok fine. Until I'm able to take over ClassicCmp completely, we can put a >few issues to a vote. I thought we already decided a couple months back [...] >It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center >on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place >for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions I actually stopped to notice how many e-mails I got yesterday. Over 300. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to ignore all the off-topic BS (including the off-topic stuff about being off-topic and and the off-topic cat-fighting) and all the suggested changes and alternates and so on. I will continue reading whatever comes in from <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> and will (occassionally) post messages (maybe even including the occasional off-topic one) to <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> as if none of this had ever happened. Those that are unhappy are welcome to go off and start something new. Who knows, somewhere down the road, I might subscribe to your list/chatroom/website/whatever as well. Those that want to keep on whining, are welcome to do so. I'll delete your messages and somehow manage to go about my business without committing suicide. Those that want to talk about classic computers, great. I'll read your messages (even the bloody cax ones! 8^) and might even have something to contribute. So, if you liked it the way it was (and don't let Bill fool you, he's been doing a great job) just sit back, ignore it, and the nonsense will eventually blow over. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

Hasbro buys ATARI

by jmg＠iac.net

This is old news. The ATARI newsgroups have been full of this for the last couple of weeks, so I'm sure most folks here know about it. However, Hasbro recently came out with an announcement stating that they are going to re-release old games such as Centipede just like they rereleased an updated 'Frogger.' A core ATARI constituancy still exists who would like Hasbro to update the ST hardware line. With clone European makers _still_ manufacturing ST compatible machines, and Gateway 2000's purchase of the Amiga line, one might think this could be a profitable move for Hasbro. Looks like they don't see it that way howver. What a shame. Both *BSD and Linux run on this hardware line and I _really_ want a decent alternative to PC hardware available which is also designed with <*cough*> games in mind (hey, I may be an adult but I still like videogames!) Maybe a letter writing campaign to Hasbro could help change their mind? Anyone else here fond of the old ATARI computer line and share my enthusiasm? J. Maynard Gelinas

28 years, 1 month

Old manuals free in Canada

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

Found on usenet - I assume that 40 years old makes them on topic ;-) (Sorry about the delay, message bounced twice because I couldn't type the address properly) On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:38:39 -0500, in comp.misc "John H. Lindsay" <lindsay-j(a)rmc.ca> wrote: >I'm in the process of trying to retire, and I have a collection >of computer manuals that go back to the I.B.M. 650 and 1620 >in the mid-late 1950's and run to, say, 10 years ago. This >stuff is History, and it shouldn't be thrown out. It needs a >good home - a computer archive, library, or museum, >Canadian preferred, but if one doesn't materialize, I'll consider >other possibilities. > >Ideas, suggestions or recommendations, anyone ? > >-- >John H. Lindsay lindsay-j(a)rmc.ca >Department of Mathematics and Computer Science >ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE OF CANADA >P O BOX 17000 STN FORCES >KINGSTON ON K7K 7B4 CANADA > >Phone: (613) 541-6000--1--6419 >Fax: (613) 541-6584

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