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by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

What's an RA90? Can I use one to replace a RA81? Are they removeable? Heavy? Bizarre? How big? The point is, this RA81 is dying and I have a chance to get a RA90. I haven't even seen it yet. Is this worth it? -------

28 years, 2 months

HP Win 3.1 -- off topic, but need help

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sorry, but this is just a thought... if HP could give Win 95 LICENCES, and you could find a 3.5" copy of Windows 95 (and the HP's have 8MB RAM), you could run Windows 95 fine. I'm running it on my DX/50 here. Hope that this helps, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 7:45 PM Subject: HP Win 3.1 -- off topic, but need help >Yesterday I did the Silicon Valley Elderhostel comp. hist. lecture, and in >the Q&A afterwards, a woman from one of the gold rush ~ghost towns in the >Sierra said that her school had been given two HP Vectra 486's, but with no >OS's. HP has been forced to follow MS' ultimatum (who but MS could or >would step on HP?) and can only supply her with Win95, which these boxes >don't have the horsepower for, on CD, but.... no CD drives either. She >badly needs HP Vectra OEM Windows 3.1(1) on 3.5" floppies, and HP's >response to her is basically "We're only allowed to tell you that that >never existed." > >Can anybody help with a copy? TVMIA -- >__________________________________________ >Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html >Computer History Association of California > >

28 years, 2 months

SONY SMC70 CP/M MICRO COMPUTER

by MANNYMAN＠ix.netcom.com

I have two SMC70'S I would like to sell. Both work great. One is a bare-bones model, but the other has a Genlocker, NTSC Superimposer(SMI-7074), and Cache Disk Unit(SMI-7050). The software includes CP/M, Sony Basic, Sony Graphic Editor, Sony Video Titler, Q-Manager, Wordstar and other disks. I also have a program that will convert CP/M AND PC files. I have manuals for Sony Disk Basic, CP/M, Sony Graphics Editor, and Wordstar. I also have a copy of Commodore CP/M 128 User's Guide. If You are interested, please call me at (201)246-0998. Sincerely, Manuel Neno

28 years, 2 months

drive info needed

by jpero＠cgo.wave.ca

All right, guys, After conferring with Allison, we found out thus: > > <Could you check the grounds on one row of IDE pins it's very easily > <visiable on solder side if it's more than 4 pins in middle, it's XT > <ide interface otherwise it's true AT IDE and yeah you can slave this > > All the even pins on the drive are ground, it has the 42c22 chip. I > suspect 8bit (xt) IDE. If mueller is to be believed it's 8bit IDE. This is right, that 93028-A is original pack with ATA logic board but somehow was blown, (Commonly happens), so someone found a good XTA interface logic board from dud 93028-X hd and installed that to this good pack. I suggest you cross out that -A and scribble on a -X? I had so many logic boards of all kinds of Tandon make and WD make, packs were bad too and that shows how high failure rate was with these design. Worst design indeed. Even the same period of time an ST1102A had 150K MTBF compared to those drives with 30K. > <Also, Allison, check that 8 bit card, sometimes it's rare to > <find one > <that will support AT IDE drive on that 8 bit card. > > I have an accutrack isa-8(xt) adaptor for standard ATA IDE it has a > miniscribe 8051A hooked to it. (!!) I have Miniscribe 8051A too. Thermal problem, stays dead but spinning and making funny noise for few minutes then power cycle it, comes up fine. This is only oddball hd I know of that used moving magnet with the coil fixed to the hd case. Snip. > They exist. IDE drives plugged into XTs are no big thing and JAMCO or > JDR has a board for that. A friend has a PS2/30 (ISA bus) with a 420mb > WD drive via the accutrak adaptor. > > I designed an adaptor for my s100 crate to use the 16bit wide ATA ide > on the z80 (8bit data bus). doing that for XT is about the same task. I wish I could learn to make a simple adapter for both 16bit and 8 bit wide, using an ATA drive. So far, I was bit frustrated with some info I found on the net. Did you got good one I that I could understand how to design one? For starter, making a GOOD complete buffered type card with IORDY selectable ATA card for ISA bus? Far as I can understand, a choice of binary setup for first address 10 bits long selects the IDE address beyond that zip. Many cheapo cards have partial buffering which is bad for the IDE chipset. Is this assumption correct? > > I can use an 8bit IDE drive for a CPM system. Then use this that WD 93028-X for this CPM system? > > Allison Jason D. email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca Pero, Jason D.

28 years, 2 months

drive info needed

by allisonp＠world.std.com

capability. The drive that you have - unless someone has swapped logic <cards - cannot be expected to work with the 8 bit card. Whatevery you do wisper that... it's running with the 8bit ide adaptor in my xt. There is no reson to suspect the card was ever swapped. Allison

28 years, 3 months

Superbrain schematics

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

In-hand - Intertech Data Systems Superbrain / Superbrain II product schematics package. April, 1982. "This schematic package contains all technical documentation required to effect competent repair on the Intertec system if service should ever be required". Anybody in need of this info now knows who to ask. Cheers A

28 years, 3 months

Mac II

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

Just picked up a Mac II for $15, looks like 5MB of RAM or so, 68020 & 68881 FPU, two 800k floppies, an 80MB hard drive with three partitions, and an ethernet card. I swapped out the old Mac II video card since it didn't work with my monitor(64k Mac II video cards from Apple don't do very much) and put my Radius Pivot monitor/card in it, and it works OK now. It's running System 6, so I'll have to upgrade to at least 7.0(i think I have it on 800k around here somewhere) or maybe network it and install 7.1... Also got two "black boxes" for free, one is an automatic RS-232 switcher, and the other appears to be a RAM buffer for RS-232. More info after I figure out exactly what they are... Tonight is going to be busy(upgrading with spare parts I have, looking for info, etc...)! -------------------------------------------------------------- | http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers | | http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek | | orham(a)qth.net list admin call sign coming soon... | --------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 3 months

System/34 again

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<a)Step-up transformer - how much would 110-220 1700 watts min. cost? About 25-50 pounds in weight never mind cost. <b)Using a bunch of PC power supplies to power the DC components. <My first problem is how I trick a PC/AT power supply to stay on when <it's not hooked up to anything. Do I need to short something? Don't do it. First, switching powersupplies get real upset if the are not loaded to some minimum point, they gernerally don't like running in parallel and the other is power sequencing. <Next is the problem of pinouts on the 34. There is ground and +5v <labelled clearly. THere is also a circuit board with lots of screw <terminals. Could someone tell me the voltages on those (it's a board <right below the CE panel and a bit on the right)? Get and learn to use volmeters. There may be unsafe voltages or currents at low voltages that can be dangerous. Also miswiring could toast the machine fully and very completely. USE EXTREME CARE, I'm not close enough to adminster CPR. Maybe I should get with you one day and look at this beast. Allison

28 years, 3 months

More on setting-up Sun3 from tape

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, I resolved the tape drive access problem on my Sun3 workstation. Although no other device on the SCSI chain is terminated, the Sun3 does not like the DD50 passive terminator that I have on the end of the chain; it will only access the drives on the chain without it. Anyway, I can now load the tape boot image and start the mini-kernel. Really, the question that I have today is related to the "edlabel" partitioning program. Although the following results from using edlabel, the question is more about disk partitioning in Unix. The drive is a 330mb SCSI hard drive with the following geometry: 512 bytes/sect, 32 sect/trk, 15 trk/cyl, 1254 cyl (as reported; maybe should be 1408 cyls?). Running edlabel reports the following: start c/t/s blks c/t/s type a(root) 0 0/0/0 29297 61/00/17 4.2BSD /* 15mb boot b(swap) 0 0/0/0 0 0/0/0 swap /* swap (would like this to be ~10mb) c(disk) 0 0/0/0 601920 1254/0/0 unused /* disk d(user) 0 0/0/0 0 0/0/0 unused /* user I can create the root partition (and write it to the disk as shown above) with no problem, but I cannot create the swap and user partitions. I get the following error: "ioctl DIOCWDINFO: invalid argument". This is the first Unix drive that I'm setting-up in a non-automated fashion; can anyone give me the benefits of their experience in doing this?? Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 3 months

drive info needed

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I have a WD93028A disk I know the geometry but the interface is apparently IDE. It's currently attached to a 8bit ISA card (also from WDC) and I'm curious about it. What I need to know is what flavor of IDE it is (it may be 8bit) and its pinouts. Allison

28 years, 3 months

System/34 again

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, I moved the System into a room where there is light and power. There are no 220V plugs, though. So, I have 2 choices: a)Step-up transformer - how much would 110-220 1700 watts min. cost? b)Using a bunch of PC power supplies to power the DC components. My first problem is how I trick a PC/AT power supply to stay on when it's not hooked up to anything. Do I need to short something? Next is the problem of pinouts on the 34. There is ground and +5v labelled clearly. THere is also a circuit board with lots of screw terminals. Could someone tell me the voltages on those (it's a board right below the CE panel and a bit on the right)? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 3 months

HP 82143A Peripheral Printer

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I picked up an "HP 82143A Peripheral Printer" a little while ago. It physically resembles the "HP 82162A Printer/Plotter" that is pictured, attached to an HP-75, in a little book entitled "Computer in Your Pocket" which reviews several early pocket and notebook computers. Will the 82143A (the one I have) plug into an HP-75? Will it work with anything else? What kind of battery does it take? Power connector? Pinout of the 12-pin connector? The printer still has a small roll of paper in it (about 2.25" wide) and I wouldn't mind finding out if the thing still works. I got it at a Salvation Army store, and there was no sign of whatever it had been attached to. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

28 years, 3 months

Silicon Graphics Power Series machines available (Chicago)

by eric＠fudge.uchicago.edu

My department is getting ready to scrap two Silicon Graphics Power Series computers. They are both quite dead (parts from the one were used to keep the other going until there were no more reliable CPU boards left) and have been stripped of some parts, but it may be possible to bring them back to life by some magic, or at least to get some use out of the 19" racks and power supplies. If you have any interest in these, please let me know as soon as possible before they are thrown away. They are large and heavy and you will have to pick them up from the campus of the University of Chicago. Eric

28 years, 3 months

Hey, just a minute (Re: "First" key system?)

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 10:29 23/03/98 -0800, Bruce wrote: > Sam, speaking as an ex-telco person, I can say with confidence that the >Horizon was far from being the first "key" system. That honor goes to the >original electromechanical 1A system, which was introduced in the late >50's/early 60's. > Thus endeth key system history 101. We now return to normal topical stuff. Hey, hold on a minute: How many people are in this list also collecting CLASSIC TELEPHONY??? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

28 years, 3 months

drive info needed

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

According to my ancient HD reference textfile, there's a 93028-A and -AD. The -AD is an IDE drive and the -A is an ST506 RLL drive. Specs are identical, 19.86 MB, 69ms, 3.5" HH, 2/782/26 geometry. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [SMTP:allisonp@world.std.com] > Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 2:04 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: drive info needed > > I have a WD93028A disk I know the geometry but the interface is > apparently IDE. It's currently attached to a 8bit ISA card (also from > WDC) and I'm curious about it. > > What I need to know is what flavor of IDE it is (it may be 8bit) > and its pinouts. > > > Allison

28 years, 3 months

KAYPRO

by donm＠cts.com

Hello Charles, I have taken the liberty of posting my reply to the classic computer mailing list as one of the readers may be interested. Good luck! - don ==================== On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Charles Almind wrote: > Dear Don, > I am trying to sell a Kaypro 1 '84 with lots of software, the Z-system, > 20 Meg HD, 1200 Baud modem and a free Epson > PX-8 laptop thrown in for good measure. Do you know anyone interested? > I paid $200 for it and would like > to get that if at all possible. Can you help me out? > Thanks > Charlie Almind > calmind(a)algorithms.com > > donm(a)cts.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology. Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412 *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Weg site at http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm

28 years, 3 months

Tuning 8" floppies

by dwollmann＠ibmhelp.com

I have a MicroTech ReformaTTer unit with two 8" NEC floppies attached to a PC with the MicroTech FDC. Both drives seemed to be in need of a tune-up (head alignment, in particular) when I installed the unit, and now (this is four yrs. later) I can only read diskettes with one drive, the other just gives me "sector not found" errors. Is it practical for me (me = board swapper) to try to align the heads on these drives manually by trial and error? Is there still a source for the disk required to do it the right way? I have access to a scope if I need one. -- David Wollmann dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com

28 years, 3 months

'SIMPLE' (was:Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again.../old basics)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> :Simple yes, useful? <If you've only got 512B of RAM, or a 256B PROM, then yes :-) <> <>there have been a few tiny languages built over the years. there was <>SIMPLE (and can someone describle it here please?) I just dug out one I have that is in the same frams. BASEX, it falls between basic and asm. Fast, small, integer. Allison

28 years, 3 months

GPIB + disk drives

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Doug, I saw Tony's reply and responded to it before seeing this one. I thought you had an HP drive but since it's a GRID drive I can't say what kind of format or command set it uses. At 06:54 PM 3/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >I could use a quick tutorial on GPIB as it applies to computer device >interfacing. > >I want to read an external hard disk that belongs to a GRiD w/a GPIB >interface. I recently picked up at National Instruments GPIB-PC-II card, >found the drivers on their web site, and stuck the thing in my Toshiba >T5200 (a nice little box that should hit classic status some time soon). > >The card and low-level drivers seem to work great, but I can't find any >higher-level drivers that know how to talk to this drive (or any drive, >for that matter). Do drives that talk GPIB all talk the same way? If so, >any idea where I might be able to find an MS-DOS driver that sits on top >of the GPIB driver I've installed? Many PC type HP-IB drivers assign the HP-IB interface as a COM or LPT port and are used to drive plotters only, not disk drives. > >Should I give up on this approach and simply pull the drive out of the box >and see if I can talk to it with an MFM controller? It's a 10MB 5.25" >drive from around 1982, so I'm assuming it's a Seagate. You could try, I have no idea if it would work. I have one of the HP kits with the HP-IB card and software that can be installed on a MS-DOS PC to operate some of their disk and tape drives. Email me if you want to borrow it and try to connect your drive with it. Joe > >-- Doug > > >

28 years, 3 months

"First" key system?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Sam Ismail typed out... >I have an AT&T Horizon phone system (circa late 70s) which is significant >in the history of telephone systems as it was the first "key" system. It <reaminder snipped> Sam, speaking as an ex-telco person, I can say with confidence that the Horizon was far from being the first "key" system. That honor goes to the original electromechanical 1A system, which was introduced in the late 50's/early 60's. During the early-to-mid 60's, the 1A1 was introduced. It had several improvements over the 1A, mainly in reduced size, weight, and complexity. In the later 60's, the venerable 1A2 key system components were introduced. They endured well into the early 90's, and are still in use in various incarnations to this day (I have a 1A2 system here in the house). The Horizon system fits neatly into the category of 'hybrid' systems. It could, dependent on programming, become either an electronic key system or a small PABX, incorporating the best features of both. Thus endeth key system history 101. We now return to normal topical stuff. ;-) BTW, if you ever want to look for a good home for that Horizon... ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 3 months

CMOS Battery for PC/AT

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Typically the CMOS battery voltage runs from 3.6V to 6.8, either should do okay (in my experience). Try Fedco @ 1-800-542-9761 or Battery Biz @ 1-800-848-6782. Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: CMOS Battery for PC/AT Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/23/98 1:11 PM At 09:57 AM 3/23/98 -0800, you wrote: >I picked up an original PC/AT that has a dead lithium battery for the >CMOS bios parameter storage. The battery says it's 6.8 volts. It's the >kind that is a 1/2x1x2 inch pack with a six-inch lead. > >I've tried several places to find a replacement, but either a store >doesn't have it, or, if they have one, the voltage is not exactly 6.8 >volts. > >Thanks, >Dave > This battery should still be fairly common. You should be able to pick one up from Radio Shack. I don't think the voltage has to be exactly 6.8. The package should list compatability, if not there should be a listing in the store with a P/N xref. -- David Wollmann dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar23.131139.1767.33482; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:11:40 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA19694; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:04:45 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA38068 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:04:39 -0800 Received: from mail2.webzone.net (mail2.webzone.net [205.219.23.7]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23690 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:04:38 -0800 Received: from fish.bigass.bogus ([208.137.187.34]) by mail2.webzone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA213 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:03:55 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980323120244.00850450(a)pop3.webzone.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:02:44 -0600 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Wollmann <dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: CMOS Battery for PC/AT In-Reply-To: <3516A298.3E049E98(a)halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: dwollmann(a)pop3.webzone.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years, 3 months

No subject

by Galiber＠worldnet.att.net

I am looking for a plastic model computer made in the early seventies.

28 years, 3 months

Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 22, 16:18, Don Maslin wrote: > Subject: Re: Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232 > On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Usually there's a set of jumpers, or sometimes a small DIL switch pack, > > which select one of four disk addresses. They may be labelled DS0, DS1, > > DS2, DS3 or > > perhaps D1, D2, D3, D4. D0=A and D1=B. You just need to switch the jumper > > settings. Even if they're not labeled, you should find that all but one of > > the jumpers (the drive select jumper) in one drive match the jumpers in the > > other drive (of the ame pair). > > Unfortunately, Pete, very few of the full high floppy drive makers were > considerate enough to mark them that way. That pretty much came about > when they went to Berg jumpers for selection. I dunno, I've got a few full-height CDC and Tandon drives that are marked. But, yes, sadly a lot of drives aren't, which is why I suggested comparing each drive of a pair -- hopefully they're the same model. > > If you open up the drive case and tell us what the make and model number of > > the actual drive mechanism is, someone can probably tell you the jumper > > settings and whether the drive is 40/80 or SS/DS. Well, maybe. :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 3 months

Imsai case/mb

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Found this on Classifieds 2000... In light of recent sales, might be a good deal. IMSAI S-100 crate, $300/OBO, Used IMSAI S-100 crate with power supply and terminated mother board. For sale by private party Los Osos, California - All other areas 93402 --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 3 months

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